It's as you said, the BLMs that were really good at optimizing and using non standard BLM rotation before won't like these changes. For myself, I just never had time to go that deep into nonstandard, and find the QoL improvements here for Dawntrail pretty good. I am usually a 80-95 percentile black mage, with minimal to zero usage of non standard rotation. So there's still going to be plenty of bad BLMs, there's just a certain difficulty of a proper caster class with long cast times. The fight optimization that has to happen for good BLM damage will still be there. But the people who were using non standard won't be able to eke out those extra few % points of damage as much as before.
@@Wrendy2k7 I like the changes myself so yeah, more fire is good. Swiftcast might not be a total waste in ice phase too to get that extra bit of movement. During a mechanics heavy phase you could potentially have free movement from one b3 all the way to the next b3. That's not a realistic scenario since leylines would have to be used at some point, but it is possible still
I leveled as BLM just because of how hard the job people said it was. I did not do much end game as BLM though because I do not have a static and playing BLM isn't hard, but playing BLM with randos is hard. But I see they make some overlapping buff abilities which can open rotation a little bit even if you aren't try hard. Because yes, dropping buffs is a pain as is putting down lines only for some tank to drag them somewhere out of range unnecessarily.
Going to miss the flexibility offered by non standard line for stuff like Panto in TOP, but I suppose this is the next logical step to streamline BLM into an approachable job.
This looks absolutely horrible tbh. Just complete removal of flexibility. It would have been fine to just use flare star's potency to nerf non-standard's damage. But now our whole rotation is just so much more rigid, very hard to save your rotation if you end up having to move at unexpected times. Idk, don't see any saving factors in this rework ATM, kinda feels like the EW SMN designer got their hands on BLM.
It looks like it will feel a lot more like shb BLM(without the AI line), so it's not as apocalyptic as ew SMN was, but it's just a shame that it looks like we're taking a big step back when EW BLM was the most fun version of the job we've had so far.
I think it's great. Most people that go deep in non-standard play use third party tools to consistently rely on mana ticks. Black mage has never been more flexible
@@Raionhardt to be clear, I don't think the mp change(in itself) is bad. I just think it's not implemented correctly. It should generate mp from ANY spell(thunders, polyglot spenders, fucking scathe, and ice paradox which they should bring back) in umbral ice, with different amounts depending on how many stacks of ui you have when casting it. As it stands, the DT iteration ironically enough looks like it's gonna bring the skill floor up, while bringing the ceiling down, which is just something I don't think anyone was asking for.
@@Raionhardt "Never been more flexible" ?!?! Because Para & F3 are now insta casts u have 0 flexibility in ur AF phase, if u dont play with enought SPS adn even if u have enought SPS, it's still less flexible than Standart in EW. So High crit is pretty much dead, Standart has less flexibility and Non Standart is completly dead because we cant reg MP without casting ice spells. The only non standart optimisation that is left, is to transpose into AF1 to get the Buff on your F3 proc, if u can even call that non standard. What do u mean with never been more flexible?! In addition they removed Sharpcast, so theres also less to keep track of in addition.
@@Raionhardt dude you have no idea what youre talking about if you think you need third party shit for non standard. youre just scared of the word and have never done it. stop talking.
it's hard to drop you astral fire now. 6.0 blm is not complex. it's complex if you want to be paradox mage. 7.0 transpose is useless for any non conventional rotation. the only way to make this work is for umbral soul to give full mp with 1 use. i'm just a casual blm. just saying.
transpose is still incredibly valuable, one of the most common non standard lines is actually more usable thanks to the paradox changes. Also, due to some potency changes, transposing and swiftcasting b3 is technically higher dps now, so ye
Mana tic reliance sucked ass thank god its gone. Rip to sharpcast, lets hope your removal practically is made up for. Rip to ice para too, the movement was nice. Overall, i think its a very slight improvement overall.
@@Zoeila yeah this is a case of them making standard better (which is used by 99% of players if not more), but removing what the 1% found great. Those 1% are not going to be happy.
@@jamvng So, do you make the 99 percent of the playerbase happy...or the meager 1 percent? I'm saying that the 99 percent probably is more sub money lmfao.
@@marcusaurelius4777 its very difficult to explain. but this isnt about 1%. blm looses a TON of mobility and flexiblity with this change. you dont need third party or need to be super tryhard to do some non standard lines. its really not that complicated.
I play BLM since 2.0, and to be honest, I think it will just change, will not trash the job nor anything, will just change the job, will stay being the same black mage but just in Dawntrail, BLM had changes over the years, and for the better, I do not see an issue with this one either, we will just need to learn new ways to optmize the job properly, was like this since ever.
I need to play it to really understand Alot of non-standard stuff seems dead, but i think theres a big difference between "Non-Standard for MOVEMENT" vs "Non-Standard for DPS" Non-Standard for DPS is fucking cringe. Its jerking off to get 30 more DPS, spreadsheet idiocy, thats dumb, go away. Non-Standard for MOVEMENT was good though, and that seems... kind of dead???? I think removing Sharp and Thundercloud is fine, the question now is more about how and where you can use instant casts. You're basically guaranteed 2 per Astral, and 1 per Umbral, but Swift being 40s makes it a much larger part of your DPS and movement than it was before, to the point where its arguably a skill you want to use as close to off CD as possible, and i think alot of BLM now is going to be about maximising 6 Fire 4s as much as possible, while doing mechanics. Maybe some Non-Standard will exist so you can put 2-3 Flare Stars into buff windows w/Manafont Im not really mad Non-Standard seems dead, because the main reason for it was MOVEMENT, but id be interested to see if carrying over Firestarter and doing Instant Cast - Transpose - F3 Proc is still viable, thats one of the more common uses for flexibility and movement.
There's going to be loads of comments on this vid complaining about the changes to Black Mage here, there and everywhere. I really do not see the problem honestly. People really complaining about something they haven't actually played yet... why? I've been playing Black Mage since I leveled it back in 2.0, and its been good every expansion (for me it felt like that) there was nothing wrong with it then, and there is nothing wrong with it now. just my two cents on this. and no, this wont be like Endwalker Summoner, so whoever brings it up... just don't lol
Like what Arthars said, it will look good, if not outright better, for standard Blackmage lines and rotations. What the majority of the BLM community is complaining about is the more tryhard optimized non-standard lines being killed off, so no more flexibility of play that we've grown accustomed to. Non-standard lines were focused on having almost no blizzard spell casts cause they were an outright decrease in potency per second, and in EW they made it work a lot easier with the intro of Ice Paradox. Now that they've locked increased mp regen into NEEDING to cast blizzard spells, the non-standard lines are practically unusable now. And that means like 80% of BLM stocked up resource materials on The Balance and other sites are now irrelevant and trashed
Of course theyre gonna find a way to optimize the hell out of it. Cause they are either forced to, or just move to another job if they got another job they like. Otherwise its just begrudgingly playing. As for those making fun of Nonstandard users regardless of their intent. Calling nerds and shit. GROW UP, MMOs games used to be considered the extreme edge of nerdy. Everyones a nerd. They have their reasons, but you have no reason to be going around mocking them. Everyone will end up adjusting, but you toxic chatters need to grow up and actually understand. Even people who are from 1.0 make mistakes, so it doesnt matter if youre old or new. Cause alot of new players CAN humble a old one.
And yet some of you non-standard players are doing the same exact thing in this comment section and you're not calling them out either. Some of you are even throwing a temper tantrum on the forums, saying that they're quitting without even trying the changes first. You telling US to grow up? Look in the mirror.
no hate but i love the voice change with Arthars and Xeems haha its business time voice
It's as you said, the BLMs that were really good at optimizing and using non standard BLM rotation before won't like these changes. For myself, I just never had time to go that deep into nonstandard, and find the QoL improvements here for Dawntrail pretty good. I am usually a 80-95 percentile black mage, with minimal to zero usage of non standard rotation. So there's still going to be plenty of bad BLMs, there's just a certain difficulty of a proper caster class with long cast times. The fight optimization that has to happen for good BLM damage will still be there. But the people who were using non standard won't be able to eke out those extra few % points of damage as much as before.
DT BLM feels like it's going to be much more rigid than EW BLM, not just with rotation but with gear builds.
Feels like SE want everyone to be a clone of each other. No room for variability between rotations or gear in their eyes.
Okay Okay , There might be room for other changes to be discussed.But se, why the fuxk would you take ice paradox away???
Now that blizz 4 gives 10k mp, there's no reason. It was really only there to ensure you spent enough time in ice to get your server ticks
@@StayCalm0 This to be fair. this means you are in Ice phase for like 2 GCDS now? Which means MORE FIRE!
@@Wrendy2k7 I like the changes myself so yeah, more fire is good. Swiftcast might not be a total waste in ice phase too to get that extra bit of movement. During a mechanics heavy phase you could potentially have free movement from one b3 all the way to the next b3. That's not a realistic scenario since leylines would have to be used at some point, but it is possible still
I leveled as BLM just because of how hard the job people said it was. I did not do much end game as BLM though because I do not have a static and playing BLM isn't hard, but playing BLM with randos is hard. But I see they make some overlapping buff abilities which can open rotation a little bit even if you aren't try hard. Because yes, dropping buffs is a pain as is putting down lines only for some tank to drag them somewhere out of range unnecessarily.
why are people disliking this video 😂 guys arthars doesn't work for SE
Going to miss the flexibility offered by non standard line for stuff like Panto in TOP, but I suppose this is the next logical step to streamline BLM into an approachable job.
This looks absolutely horrible tbh. Just complete removal of flexibility. It would have been fine to just use flare star's potency to nerf non-standard's damage. But now our whole rotation is just so much more rigid, very hard to save your rotation if you end up having to move at unexpected times. Idk, don't see any saving factors in this rework ATM, kinda feels like the EW SMN designer got their hands on BLM.
It looks like it will feel a lot more like shb BLM(without the AI line), so it's not as apocalyptic as ew SMN was, but it's just a shame that it looks like we're taking a big step back when EW BLM was the most fun version of the job we've had so far.
I think it's great. Most people that go deep in non-standard play use third party tools to consistently rely on mana ticks.
Black mage has never been more flexible
@@Raionhardt to be clear, I don't think the mp change(in itself) is bad. I just think it's not implemented correctly. It should generate mp from ANY spell(thunders, polyglot spenders, fucking scathe, and ice paradox which they should bring back) in umbral ice, with different amounts depending on how many stacks of ui you have when casting it. As it stands, the DT iteration ironically enough looks like it's gonna bring the skill floor up, while bringing the ceiling down, which is just something I don't think anyone was asking for.
@@Raionhardt
"Never been more flexible" ?!?!
Because Para & F3 are now insta casts u have 0 flexibility in ur AF phase, if u dont play with enought SPS adn even if u have enought SPS, it's still less flexible than Standart in EW. So High crit is pretty much dead, Standart has less flexibility and Non Standart is completly dead because we cant reg MP without casting ice spells. The only non standart optimisation that is left, is to transpose into AF1 to get the Buff on your F3 proc, if u can even call that non standard.
What do u mean with never been more flexible?!
In addition they removed Sharpcast, so theres also less to keep track of in addition.
@@Raionhardt dude you have no idea what youre talking about if you think you need third party shit for non standard. youre just scared of the word and have never done it. stop talking.
it's hard to drop you astral fire now.
6.0 blm is not complex. it's complex if you want to be paradox mage.
7.0 transpose is useless for any non conventional rotation. the only way to make this work is for umbral soul to give full mp with 1 use.
i'm just a casual blm. just saying.
Transpose is still good for transitioning from ice to fire and buffing the F3, probably?
transpose is still incredibly valuable, one of the most common non standard lines is actually more usable thanks to the paradox changes. Also, due to some potency changes, transposing and swiftcasting b3 is technically higher dps now, so ye
SE really said let's ruin a good thing
Mana tic reliance sucked ass thank god its gone. Rip to sharpcast, lets hope your removal practically is made up for. Rip to ice para too, the movement was nice. Overall, i think its a very slight improvement overall.
Yoshi-P, what did u do to our baby :(
I mean.. he played the job as well so probably he's very comfortable to play with this style lmao
fuck the server tick man, based yoshida.
Imagine bitching and complaining about how others are playing the game.
@@foxheals what do you mean haha
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Bad changes are bad. Sad BLM main will go cry now.
wtf is wrong with se?
They did good not everyone checks balance for non standard then they wonder why their DPS is lower
@@Zoeila yeah this is a case of them making standard better (which is used by 99% of players if not more), but removing what the 1% found great. Those 1% are not going to be happy.
@@jamvng So, do you make the 99 percent of the playerbase happy...or the meager 1 percent? I'm saying that the 99 percent probably is more sub money lmfao.
@@marcusaurelius4777 its very difficult to explain. but this isnt about 1%. blm looses a TON of mobility and flexiblity with this change. you dont need third party or need to be super tryhard to do some non standard lines. its really not that complicated.
Happy with changes, goodbye stupid tick timer plugins
you literally dont need them wtf are you on
Transpose to SMN
I hate that they're trying to make BLM a 1 button class without room for optimization like summoner.
I play BLM since 2.0, and to be honest, I think it will just change, will not trash the job nor anything, will just change the job, will stay being the same black mage but just in Dawntrail, BLM had changes over the years, and for the better, I do not see an issue with this one either, we will just need to learn new ways to optmize the job properly, was like this since ever.
Hard disagree with your final thoughts
I need to play it to really understand
Alot of non-standard stuff seems dead, but i think theres a big difference between "Non-Standard for MOVEMENT" vs "Non-Standard for DPS"
Non-Standard for DPS is fucking cringe. Its jerking off to get 30 more DPS, spreadsheet idiocy, thats dumb, go away.
Non-Standard for MOVEMENT was good though, and that seems... kind of dead???? I think removing Sharp and Thundercloud is fine, the question now is more about how and where you can use instant casts. You're basically guaranteed 2 per Astral, and 1 per Umbral, but Swift being 40s makes it a much larger part of your DPS and movement than it was before, to the point where its arguably a skill you want to use as close to off CD as possible, and i think alot of BLM now is going to be about maximising 6 Fire 4s as much as possible, while doing mechanics.
Maybe some Non-Standard will exist so you can put 2-3 Flare Stars into buff windows w/Manafont
Im not really mad Non-Standard seems dead, because the main reason for it was MOVEMENT, but id be interested to see if carrying over Firestarter and doing Instant Cast - Transpose - F3 Proc is still viable, thats one of the more common uses for flexibility and movement.
There's going to be loads of comments on this vid complaining about the changes to Black Mage here, there and everywhere.
I really do not see the problem honestly. People really complaining about something they haven't actually played yet... why? I've been playing Black Mage since I leveled it back in 2.0, and its been good every expansion (for me it felt like that) there was nothing wrong with it then, and there is nothing wrong with it now.
just my two cents on this. and no, this wont be like Endwalker Summoner, so whoever brings it up... just don't lol
Like what Arthars said, it will look good, if not outright better, for standard Blackmage lines and rotations. What the majority of the BLM community is complaining about is the more tryhard optimized non-standard lines being killed off, so no more flexibility of play that we've grown accustomed to. Non-standard lines were focused on having almost no blizzard spell casts cause they were an outright decrease in potency per second, and in EW they made it work a lot easier with the intro of Ice Paradox. Now that they've locked increased mp regen into NEEDING to cast blizzard spells, the non-standard lines are practically unusable now. And that means like 80% of BLM stocked up resource materials on The Balance and other sites are now irrelevant and trashed
Good. No other job had the same flexibility and asinine hoops as BLM nonstandard bs. It got away with it for far too long.
@@Vindex010 rotations I've seen so far have like 2 blizzard spells cat in an opener
Turbo nerds coming out of the woodwork, "mUh JOb111!1!"
@@Zanbatoss let people have fun optimizing? so what if i wanna be a turbo nerd, we are all playing an mmo. we are the same amount of loser you weirdo
No more server ticks is great
way to butcher the best job in the game
Of course theyre gonna find a way to optimize the hell out of it.
Cause they are either forced to, or just move to another job if they got another job they like.
Otherwise its just begrudgingly playing.
As for those making fun of Nonstandard users regardless of their intent.
Calling nerds and shit.
GROW UP, MMOs games used to be considered the extreme edge of nerdy.
Everyones a nerd.
They have their reasons, but you have no reason to be going around mocking them.
Everyone will end up adjusting, but you toxic chatters need to grow up and actually understand.
Even people who are from 1.0 make mistakes, so it doesnt matter if youre old or new. Cause alot of new players CAN humble a old one.
And yet some of you non-standard players are doing the same exact thing in this comment section and you're not calling them out either. Some of you are even throwing a temper tantrum on the forums, saying that they're quitting without even trying the changes first. You telling US to grow up? Look in the mirror.
@@spartaxoxo3509 try it out what? the only thing we get is a second despair, we lose 4-5 things and an entire rotation.
ugh
I can imagine the unbearable smell of the people complaining about the job changes are the same people who never shower or leave their rooms
🤡
those people don't know how expansion drops work in terms of job changes. they expect an overhaul instead of simple changes and some buffs.