One very important fact that you Americans forget about is that for the rest of us Floatwheel is a savior as ordering from the US is VERY expensive. We often have to pay double the price for US parts and boards. Not so from Tony and Floatwheel❤
Just want to share with beginners, It's possible to start on budget with VESC. my initial board cost me around $1200, but it requires some DIY skills for sure Key features: XR platform which opens a whole big world of upgrades and accesories I saved a lot on rails, 40$ Onewheel's XR rails from facebook marketplace, superflux mk1 motor BatteryPCB saved me about 300-400$ on battery, and it's ride great, enough speed and torque for beginner. All parts was initially 3d printed, even a bumpers, now I switched to pair of bang bumpers :) Best thing you can change everything as you go. good luck
Just under a year ago I converted my pint x to vesc. I fell in love! One month ago I build a xr from scratch (18s2p 50S, superflux HS, Ubox85, 3dp Pubbox, TFL varials, bang bumpers). And that board made me fall in love even more!! I love vesc so much!! After tax and fees it ended up costing me $2,418
I really want to convert my XR and turn it into a long range beast. Thanks for making this video, finally at a point where I'm saving up to do this. Former IT guy so I'm figuring I can take the plunge.
Once again, you've taken on a thankless task. As a repair place, I'm getting asked about VESC weekly. I don't feel confident enough (yet) to offer support, but I know that time is coming. Best explanation and option I've seen yet. Thank you.
Just want to thank Surfdado for been a very good resource for everything VESC, you are helping the VESC community no end. I’ve seen you multiple times helping people in the discord. Love the videos. I have a GTV 🤘
dogboy99 have you had any over-heating issues with your GTV? I have a kit I haven't installed yet. I'm curious about this possible issue. I did an XRV kit install and love the result.
I have a fungineers build with WTFs….all I can say is VESC is now and the future. Yes, it is a huge learning curve……but I can say you can cruise at 24-26 MPH smoothly without a hiccup. Can you say that with a future motion board?
I have a second hand adv , bearings were noisy , changed them out they were stamped nsk . Put npr bearings in , didn’t last 3 km . Got nsk bearings from local bearing shop . They look nothing like the nsk bearings that were in the board before . I think you may be right about the originals being knockoffs .
I started on a onewheel XR, moved to EUC's. I have had many crashes, but the Onewheel nosedive is the worst. Getting slammed at 20mph hurts more than sliding at 40.
Nice video, in my opinion, the VESC is the best way to go, it will give you so much possibility and flexibility, and you can build whatever you desire. For example, I need a monster torq and long-range capability, and I built VESC XR the the first in the world with 20s3p Samsung 50a cells, 1080 watt battery capacity with Superflux H/T motor and now this monster suits my needs very well 😉👍
Excellent review! Why no mention of Avaspark? I love my Pint V conversion kit, RGB front/rear/footpad with many different light animations, and their support has been excellent. The only con is you have to solder a fuse to make the FM BMS charge only but there are now a few charge-only BMS on the market you could use instead for complete plug-n-play. Have you found issues with their XR/Pint/GT kits or just not tried them yet?
@@RTFM-n1n I did mention it at the end. It was reflective of how hard it was for me to discover that Ava had a non solder GT kit. It’s hidden deep on his site. And his PintV kit is not solder free - but next time I’ll make sure to talk about it more
@@surfdado The Avaspark Pint VESC kit is pretty sick but not for a first timer IMO. Maybe if the Battery you get is pre wired and stuff then no soldering is needed. A tad bit harder than something like a Floatboxx.
I have not overheated since I put a GTS motor in my GTV. I did cold blocks, sanded the powder coat off the inside rails, and used thermal paste. I think the GTS made the biggest difference though.
@@Kay0Bot A bit more copper, but most important is that it's a completely different winding configuration. Results in lower resistance which helps reduce heat. Possibly at the expense of saturating with less current, but that hasn't been tested much
How do you see the one wheel floating future will be like? Seems vesc is going towards 30s2p, 120amp, 60 miles range. Maybe future motion will go 30s1p, 32s1p, 34s1p, 36s1p configuration each year to milk the market.
Will vesc to be more popular in EUC community at higher voltages?. Currently they’re many running at 134, 151, and up to 168, with a rumored 210v in less than a year. Is any vesc currently over 150v?
I got a gt and dont trust it going over 12 13 mph, so I end up playingon curbs. I take the board to a fence and I push the nose into the ground and spin the tire, just to feel how much it takes to drop the nose and cut the board out. It doesnt take much pressure at all. Im 210 pounds and hills are scary. So I bought the thor 300 vesc and I was wondering if it will impprove the torque and safety of the board? Im good with 20mph sometimes cruising but I need torque and some headroom for safety.
@surfdado will it be more confidence inspiring. This stock gt is so underpowered. I cannot push it without fdfoppcutout. It doesn't cut out much but it dives the nose way way to easy. I'm a older dude, so I need confidence inspiring power.
@surfdado i bought it used at 1k. Put 500 Miles on it. Installed the 5 inch hub, wtf rails etc, now waiting to install thor 300. Thinking about getting a new battery pack to match with my thor 300. What's a solid, easy pack to install. 18 or 20s
@@dbirds21 stock GT packs are extremely powerful, I wouldn’t rush replacing it. FM doesn’t use half of what they’re capable of - it will be very confidence inspiring for sure with a Thor!
VOW is mainly a supplier for the DIY category. But I've been told VOW offers build services in Australia too, so you could order a complete board from him. He may ship internationally too, but not sure how viable that is for you
Much appreciated! It’s gonna be a minute till i can afford a GTs, Is the GTV kit on a stock Gt worth it? Or should i keep waiting. Is it that much of a difference in torque? I ride a lot of hilly trails
GTV gives you an instant torque boost easily putting it on par with the GTS, main downside will be that you will discover the extra torque can more easily overheat your motor. I just posted a GTV overview video where you can see the increased torque for yourself
Thanks for the video and explanation Dado. Two questions: 1) In the GT-V scenario, if the comparison to a stock FM GT board is really just a difference in the programmable parameters of the board...VESC offering increased performance through greater board capability via programming/software changes...then FM could hypothetically just change their board programming to match the VESC performance; correct, or not? And, 2) If the "useability" of the VESC software is the biggest issue for wider adoption, why is a clever developer/s--(hint...hint! :))--not creating a fee/subscription-based service that invests in making the software into a lay-user-friendly version comparable to FM's model?
1) yes, they could definitely make software changes to improve performance, no reason why startup torque needs to be lower than on GTS. However for overall torque the GT hardware obviously has limitations, not sure what they are 2) agreed, someone should go and do it. It certainly won't be me, I have no interest/motivation to do it. Plenty of people out there looking to make money from VESC - they should go and do it. If I were selling VESC boards/kits I certainly would not put my customers thru these ridiculous setup procedures..
I mean i was doing everything myself including rails (I only had to buy the BMS (was like 45 $)) so the SF HT Board 20s2p with everything was just 950$. I mean working hours are not counted ...
I haven't watched the video completely but I will add this. In my personal experience, VESC is either something you do when you want a faster/higher power board without having to spend an addition 1-2K on a new board, if your board breaks and you don't want to go through FM to fix it, or if are simply trying to have a fun project. I wouldn't call VESC a beginner project, more like an intermediate project if you will. You will need some tools on hand, some experience with soldering, electronics and some decent problem solving skills. I could see an engineering student in college doing this over the summer for fun, or a DIY kind of person who's wanting to build something of their own. I wouldn't call VESC a beginner friendly project. At the lowest voltage, you're dealing with a 64V lithium battery that could burn your house down if you don't treat it right. With where the hobby is going and with all of the recent VESC builds I've seen, 75.6V is starting to become the "base" model VESC. IF you want a vesc, I'd either try out the drop-in replacement kits from Floatwheel, the Floatwheel boards, or pay someone to build one for you. However, this does come with an added layer of complexity. Who do you trust to build your board? I would wholeheartedly trust people like WillD, Mario, and some of the more prominent community members who have either contributed a lot to the hobby, or those who have made some insane boards. This is a ramble, so there's no real point to this post. It's just me sharing my thoughts i guess. TL;DR, Vesc is cool af. IF you don't know what you're doing (if you don't have experience working on electronics or anything mechanical), find someone to do it for you or get a drop-in kit from floathweel. If you know what you're doing and you're willing to have a possible money pit, go for it. alright i'll get off my soap box now
I went not having a plan. End up only using the hypercore motor from my old wheel. Every other part I got new. Then I found an old onewheel motor. So now I have a stock xr and 90% completely new vesc board.
2 Full Service Builders i know about: One Stop Board Shop (NJ): made my beauty 🤙🏾 Atlowshop (GA): 👍🏾 my dream board next season: 100V, 6" hub, aftermarket lighting. lovin my GT-V 84v, GTS stator rn thamk you for highlighting Fungineers dismal CS - we're just Hoping/praying for them to make that Better 🎉 thankx Dado❗️
Excellent video, as always. Thank you for the kind words. 🙏
One very important fact that you Americans forget about is that for the rest of us Floatwheel is a savior as ordering from the US is VERY expensive. We often have to pay double the price for US parts and boards. Not so from Tony and Floatwheel❤
Agree, the VESC market should focus on the rest of the world, since we have way less options. But also dont have to deal with FM as much
I think futuremotion doesn't care about EU or oversea market in general. If they did they would have partnered with a pev shop in EU and in Asia.
2024: Rise of the VESC
Just want to share with beginners, It's possible to start on budget with VESC. my initial board cost me around $1200,
but it requires some DIY skills for sure
Key features:
XR platform which opens a whole big world of upgrades and accesories
I saved a lot on rails, 40$ Onewheel's XR rails from facebook marketplace,
superflux mk1 motor
BatteryPCB saved me about 300-400$ on battery, and it's ride great, enough speed and torque for beginner.
All parts was initially 3d printed, even a bumpers, now I switched to pair of bang bumpers :)
Best thing you can change everything as you go. good luck
Thanks, Dado, for pushing out more videos like this loaded with valuable information.
Just under a year ago I converted my pint x to vesc. I fell in love! One month ago I build a xr from scratch (18s2p 50S, superflux HS, Ubox85, 3dp Pubbox, TFL varials, bang bumpers). And that board made me fall in love even more!! I love vesc so much!! After tax and fees it ended up costing me $2,418
What parts did you use for the pint?
I really want to convert my XR and turn it into a long range beast. Thanks for making this video, finally at a point where I'm saving up to do this. Former IT guy so I'm figuring I can take the plunge.
Took my Funwheel down to 3% whoops, board is amazing ❤ VESC is the way. Great Video ❤
Thanks for the shout out ❤ #AvaSpark
Once again, you've taken on a thankless task. As a repair place, I'm getting asked about VESC weekly. I don't feel confident enough (yet) to offer support, but I know that time is coming. Best explanation and option I've seen yet. Thank you.
Just want to thank Surfdado for been a very good resource for everything VESC, you are helping the VESC community no end. I’ve seen you multiple times helping people in the discord. Love the videos.
I have a GTV 🤘
dogboy99 have you had any over-heating issues with your GTV? I have a kit I haven't installed yet. I'm curious about this possible issue. I did an XRV kit install and love the result.
Great informational video! Thank you.
Great video as always. Now you’ve mentioned a DIY options video, that would be awesome!
Great video Dado. This video helps immensely when new riders are curious and need a deep dive into VESC
I have a fungineers build with WTFs….all I can say is VESC is now and the future. Yes, it is a huge learning curve……but I can say you can cruise at 24-26 MPH smoothly without a hiccup. Can you say that with a future motion board?
I have a second hand adv , bearings were noisy , changed them out they were stamped nsk . Put npr bearings in , didn’t last 3 km . Got nsk bearings from local bearing shop . They look nothing like the nsk bearings that were in the board before . I think you may be right about the originals being knockoffs .
Exactly the video I was looking for
Perfect vid for me to send to anyone that asks about VESC options. Thanks dado!
Great video. I wish I had seen something like this a year ago when i first started my vesc journey, granted none of this existed before.
I started on a onewheel XR, moved to EUC's. I have had many crashes, but the Onewheel nosedive is the worst. Getting slammed at 20mph hurts more than sliding at 40.
Nice video, in my opinion, the VESC is the best way to go, it will give you so much possibility and flexibility, and you can build whatever you desire.
For example, I need a monster torq and long-range capability, and I built VESC XR the the first in the world with 20s3p Samsung 50a cells, 1080 watt battery capacity with Superflux H/T motor and now this monster suits my needs very well 😉👍
sounds good bud. Thanks for the advice. If I run into problems installing the thor do you mind if I reach out.
Thnx for the shout #magicpevs
Thanks man. I've been considering the conversion kit for my pint x
Excellent review! Why no mention of Avaspark? I love my Pint V conversion kit, RGB front/rear/footpad with many different light animations, and their support has been excellent. The only con is you have to solder a fuse to make the FM BMS charge only but there are now a few charge-only BMS on the market you could use instead for complete plug-n-play. Have you found issues with their XR/Pint/GT kits or just not tried them yet?
It was quickly mentioned at the end but unsure why he didn’t go too in depth
@@RTFM-n1n I did mention it at the end. It was reflective of how hard it was for me to discover that Ava had a non solder GT kit. It’s hidden deep on his site. And his PintV kit is not solder free - but next time I’ll make sure to talk about it more
@@surfdado The Avaspark Pint VESC kit is pretty sick but not for a first timer IMO. Maybe if the Battery you get is pre wired and stuff then no soldering is needed. A tad bit harder than something like a Floatboxx.
I have not overheated since I put a GTS motor in my GTV. I did cold blocks, sanded the powder coat off the inside rails, and used thermal paste. I think the GTS made the biggest difference though.
I wonder why? ....its like a few extra grams of magnets. Other then that it's same same as a gt motor
@@Kay0Bot not true at all. Watch TFL’s early GTS tear down video. Stator wiring is completely different
...ah...most be alot more or thicker copper windings
@@Kay0Bot A bit more copper, but most important is that it's a completely different winding configuration. Results in lower resistance which helps reduce heat. Possibly at the expense of saturating with less current, but that hasn't been tested much
@@surfdado thanks for sharing
Great video. Thanks for sharing
Great video dude!! 🤙🤙🤙
It is for me. I got a new ride and it's got great hardware but doesn't do anything right that it should for some reason, so why not just go with it.
Can you make a video of what you think of Lenco wheel?
@@WyattPhillips-zh4kc never heard of it, sorry
How do you see the one wheel floating future will be like? Seems vesc is going towards 30s2p, 120amp, 60 miles range. Maybe future motion will go 30s1p, 32s1p, 34s1p, 36s1p configuration each year to milk the market.
Will vesc to be more popular in EUC community at higher voltages?. Currently they’re many running at 134, 151, and up to 168, with a rumored 210v in less than a year. Is any vesc currently over 150v?
I don't believe so. The euc makers already push their controllers. Also all ceo ,except for inmotion, ride eucs
I got a gt and dont trust it going over 12 13 mph, so I end up playingon curbs. I take the board to a fence and I push the nose into the ground and spin the tire, just to feel how much it takes to drop the nose and cut the board out. It doesnt take much pressure at all. Im 210 pounds and hills are scary. So I bought the thor 300 vesc and I was wondering if it will impprove the torque and safety of the board? Im good with 20mph sometimes cruising but I need torque and some headroom for safety.
@@dbirds21 the increase in torque will be massive
@surfdado will it be more confidence inspiring. This stock gt is so underpowered. I cannot push it without fdfoppcutout. It doesn't cut out much but it dives the nose way way to easy. I'm a older dude, so I need confidence inspiring power.
@surfdado i bought it used at 1k. Put 500 Miles on it. Installed the 5 inch hub, wtf rails etc, now waiting to install thor 300. Thinking about getting a new battery pack to match with my thor 300. What's a solid, easy pack to install. 18 or 20s
@@dbirds21 stock GT packs are extremely powerful, I wouldn’t rush replacing it. FM doesn’t use half of what they’re capable of - it will be very confidence inspiring for sure with a Thor!
801WHEEL in Salt Lake City can assist you with your VESC build! Reach out to get dialed in! 🤙
Where does Vow fit in?
VOW is mainly a supplier for the DIY category. But I've been told VOW offers build services in Australia too, so you could order a complete board from him. He may ship internationally too, but not sure how viable that is for you
Much appreciated! It’s gonna be a minute till i can afford a GTs, Is the GTV kit on a stock Gt worth it? Or should i keep waiting. Is it that much of a difference in torque? I ride a lot of hilly trails
GTV gives you an instant torque boost easily putting it on par with the GTS, main downside will be that you will discover the extra torque can more easily overheat your motor. I just posted a GTV overview video where you can see the increased torque for yourself
Thanks for the video and explanation Dado. Two questions:
1) In the GT-V scenario, if the comparison to a stock FM GT board is really just a difference in the programmable parameters of the board...VESC offering increased performance through greater board capability via programming/software changes...then FM could hypothetically just change their board programming to match the VESC performance; correct, or not?
And,
2) If the "useability" of the VESC software is the biggest issue for wider adoption, why is a clever developer/s--(hint...hint! :))--not creating a fee/subscription-based service that invests in making the software into a lay-user-friendly version comparable to FM's model?
I think for the hardware that FM uses in GT, the ESC will overheat too quickly for increased power.
1) yes, they could definitely make software changes to improve performance, no reason why startup torque needs to be lower than on GTS. However for overall torque the GT hardware obviously has limitations, not sure what they are
2) agreed, someone should go and do it. It certainly won't be me, I have no interest/motivation to do it. Plenty of people out there looking to make money from VESC - they should go and do it. If I were selling VESC boards/kits I certainly would not put my customers thru these ridiculous setup procedures..
@@floatwheelHow soon is the ADV2 coming out?
Wow! Thank you!👏🏾👍🏾 🏴🇸🇪🇹🇹
I love that I can design my own VESC controller for less thatn 50$ and if it breaks fix it myself :-)
I mean i was doing everything myself including rails (I only had to buy the BMS (was like 45 $)) so the SF HT Board 20s2p with everything was just 950$. I mean working hours are not counted ...
I haven't watched the video completely but I will add this. In my personal experience, VESC is either something you do when you want a faster/higher power board without having to spend an addition 1-2K on a new board, if your board breaks and you don't want to go through FM to fix it, or if are simply trying to have a fun project.
I wouldn't call VESC a beginner project, more like an intermediate project if you will. You will need some tools on hand, some experience with soldering, electronics and some decent problem solving skills. I could see an engineering student in college doing this over the summer for fun, or a DIY kind of person who's wanting to build something of their own. I wouldn't call VESC a beginner friendly project. At the lowest voltage, you're dealing with a 64V lithium battery that could burn your house down if you don't treat it right. With where the hobby is going and with all of the recent VESC builds I've seen, 75.6V is starting to become the "base" model VESC.
IF you want a vesc, I'd either try out the drop-in replacement kits from Floatwheel, the Floatwheel boards, or pay someone to build one for you. However, this does come with an added layer of complexity. Who do you trust to build your board? I would wholeheartedly trust people like WillD, Mario, and some of the more prominent community members who have either contributed a lot to the hobby, or those who have made some insane boards.
This is a ramble, so there's no real point to this post. It's just me sharing my thoughts i guess.
TL;DR, Vesc is cool af. IF you don't know what you're doing (if you don't have experience working on electronics or anything mechanical), find someone to do it for you or get a drop-in kit from floathweel. If you know what you're doing and you're willing to have a possible money pit, go for it.
alright i'll get off my soap box now
I went not having a plan. End up only using the hypercore motor from my old wheel. Every other part I got new.
Then I found an old onewheel motor. So now I have a stock xr and 90% completely new vesc board.
2 Full Service Builders i know about:
One Stop Board Shop (NJ): made my beauty 🤙🏾
Atlowshop (GA): 👍🏾
my dream board next season: 100V, 6" hub, aftermarket lighting. lovin my GT-V 84v, GTS stator rn
thamk you for highlighting Fungineers dismal CS - we're just Hoping/praying for them to make that Better 🎉 thankx Dado❗️
lmao 😂😂😂 "let's ignore the shitty vesc builds" interesting and entertaining sum up for the status quo about VESC in 2024
Mine definitely a shitty vesc build ...😅