great video, love the detail. Tell me why you don't tig weld to patch the corrosion around the tank drain? Or maybe cut that section out and weld in an entire new corner? just curious...
Terrance thank you. We put a ton of work into this and I hope we can reach more people as we move forward. Any shares to social media would be great. Thanks again for your support! -Sean
Thanks Sean, great video of the detail TAS puts into making your baby safe! My 77 310R has about the same hours. Having attended the Twin Cessna Seminar put on by Tony at TAS I will be taking mine to Defiance, OH for it's next annual. Go Big Blue!
Steve thanks so much! TAS is def the place to go. They have more experience in twin Cessnas than anyone. I’m going to the seminar this fall I hope. BIG BLUE NATION! Lol
Sure you feel better knowing that all of the plane was inspected and now you fly out of Richmond with full confidence that there are no issues. And to have a video of the inspection and repairs….Wow.
I do Rick and thanks. I really like to understand the systems and the aircraft that I'm flying. Why not you know? TAS offers an engine and systems seminar each year that I think I am going to attend to really understand more. Thanks for the continued support. Hope to see you around. Sean
Very good video. A friend and I owned a 310Q .. 90% the same. We were able to save some money on the annual by doing some of the stuff ourselves such as pulling all the inspection plates and the interior. A good shop will encourage that as it makes you much more familiar with the inner workings of your plane.
Cool video, man! I'm an A&P, production test pilot, and UH-60 Crew Chief, and would encourage a lot of owners to get involved with their annuals. You can learn a ton about your airframe and it's a lot of fun!
Holy cow I know that's gotta be a little scary seeing your aircraft tore down that far. I must say I definitely agree with you on seeking out the best in the business. I'd feel more confident knowing they specialize in twin Cessnas. Thanks TAS and Fire Pilot for putting this all together to educate us a little. Glad to see you are back in the air for another year.
Kevin - it is pretty scare torn down like it is. You think - what are they going to find? Is there something that is looming in there that is going to be really expensive? At the same time, you hope they find everything. Any ounce of doubt in your aircraft while you are in flight is not a good feeling.
I’m not an aircraft owner but I’m amazed how many issues you had. I look after my car better than that - for instance I’m damn sure I’d have noticed a fuel leak before an annual inspection or MOT was due as it’s known in the U.K.
Awesome video man, glad to see you’re really going through your airframe and cleaning things up! Not sure if it’s already been mentioned, but just to clarify, the FAR’s are the Federal Aviation Regulations. The CFR is the Code of Federal regulations. Chapter 14 of the CFR is the FAR’s. Your content keeps getting better and better. Keep it up!
I loved your video. It really shows firsthand how once you open up and start looking you can find so much more than you ever thought could be wrong. All perspective owners should see this
James - you are correct. Safety is key here and we can't ignore the fact that safety is expensive. But it's worth every penny to us. The things we get to do and see are just amazing. Thanks for the support and the watch James.
Closed on my first aircraft last week. Beechcraft Debonair (N923T). I am already nervous about my first annual because I just know that it will look a lot like this video. Great content!
Thanks Jon! Although you really have to consider maintenance costs in aviation ownership, don't let it scare you. It is manageable with minimized risk. The life changing experiences that it gives you is worth every penny. Thanks for your support and CONGRATS on your plane ownership!
It sort of does! I do have a weird vibration I need to work through. I am not sure where it's coming from but we will see. Thanks for the support. -Sean
reminds me of all the dollars you have to spend not to be on the news, like the 310 pilot from Aurora inspection that had to be a huge amount of money and time not flying, Thanks for sharing
I’m an A&P mechanic that works for UPS Airlines. I’m with Tech Service with aircraft maintenance. I live in Louisville Kentucky I’d love to come up and see your shop. I grew up with my dad flying a C320
Those must be some Great memories Aaron. I hope that our son will remember the same. TAS is up in Defiance, Ohio. I am sure the would give you the tour. The things aren't as interesting as the knowledge and skill they have.
@@TheFirePilot im glad you are back going again. In military after a plane comes out of maint they take it local before launching off to who knows where. That 310 is in great condition now how does it feel to have the cables right?
Great content. Just so you know, Pilot owner is ultimately responsible for "grounding" the airplane. Owner can request a log book ent. that releases the aircraft as "Annual inspection complete and a list of discrepancies has been provided to the owner". So, you (owner) are not at the mercy of the maintenance personal, you (owner) are always the final call, legally and otherwise. Very good representation of the process. We (A&P/I.A.s) are in the business of safety and Airworthiness, it is all part of the deal. Aircraft ownership is not for the "faint of heart OR thin of wallet."
Thanks Airmotive Welding. Although I wasn't completely clear on those facts - I am also of the mindset that I want it right. So I was happy to have them all fixed. I wasn't happy to pay for it all but as you said - that comes along with it. Best way to have a small fortune with airplanes is to start with a large fortune before you own one.
John... This annual was the first REAL annual that this plane has had done in more than 5 years. Plus - I did not do a very thorough pre-buy. The annual was nearly $30,000 and took about 5 weeks. Thanks for following along.
@@sleektruck22 The key is getting a good pre-buy. I had to nearly overhaul a prop replace the flat motor had some gear trunnion cracks as well as some other costly things that typically you may not have. The 310 is the best light twin available to General aviation.
@@TheFirePilot thanks so much for the advice. I'll be sure to be a bit more careful on my choice and get a great prebuy. Thanks for all your help and keep up the great work.
@@TheFirePilot Ouch!! I’m starting to look around for some twin pistons and the 310 is on the top of my list. Just really trying to grasp a feel on what to expect in ownership cost and annuals. A 30K annual, granted you had a lot of additional work done is not for the faint of heart 😬.
Shes great. Have a few small things to work through but TAS is committed to our long term success and partnership. I hope this was helpful but I hope it doesn't scare people away from ownership. Thanks Ron!
Well Sean.. all three of us that watched the video had a meeting and took a vote. We all voted that it was great, we learned a ton about your airplane and we can wait until you put another video out…
Thanks as always for your support Andrew. I wish we were getting a little better exposure on our videos so I make jokes about no one watching but for those of you that really support us so much I am truly humbled and thankful.
It was nearly $30,000. The previous owner didn't maintain it as well as they should and I didn't do as good of a pre-buy as I should. So all of it fell on me!
Thanks for taking the time and effort to edit and share this videos! Many of us fellow pilots really appreciate it! Even though only a few may comment. Keep this valuable information coming. Would you mind sharing the cost of your annual? I currently fly high performance singles and looking to move into twins and want to be able to anticipate real world scenarios like yours. Thanks! (Feel free to send me a direct message if you dont want to publish it here)
@@TheFirePilot I'm a retired A&P, I know all too well what the maintenance costs are. I live on the other side, where the owner would place the plane in our hands to do a real Annual and would call half way through it demanding the plane be ready in 3 days for a flight that was a must do! That plane never came back through our doors again! Our choice! Your lucky you went to a very good shop! I have never heard one complaint about that company!
@@jhaedtler Thanks! Those guys were top notch. I appreciate the support. I am just not okay with something that I know needs to be fixed left unresolved. I don't have to be anywhere for anything. We will fly another day!
@@christophergagliano2051 I’m not trying to scare anyone. You made that assumption. I was explaining that with certain mechanical problems your aircraft is no longer safe to fly. We share our experiences here. Those may be different from your own. And that’s ok.
@@TheFirePilot The problem is you're giving out bad information so when you say you share experiences you're sharing bad information. A mechanic has no authority to ground an airplane so that's just total BS and has no business being in a video about aircraft maintenance.
@@christophergagliano2051 so if an AP tells you hey bud you have a crack in your cranks case. Catastrophic engine failure is eminent. You say… ok cya and fly her away?
Great video Sean! Looking forward to having you back next year!
Thanks for taking care of me so well. You made the video what it is with your narration. All of you guys are awesome.
@@TheFirePilot alright I watched, what was the tab?
@@splvega1 let’s just say I’m still paying for it.
We like deep and technical!
Wow! Great shop great mechanics!
They really did a good job. Those guys were great to work with. Thanks Juan.
Funny guy... I'm going to finish watching the whole video. Love your self- effacing sense of humor.
I've always had the mindset - make fun of your self and you don't give someone else the chance.
Great Job Techs! Always nice to see the Next Generation of Techs pulling their own weight!
Exactly. If we don't do something about the lack of decent AP's quickly it's just another threat to general aviation.
great video, love the detail. Tell me why you don't tig weld to patch the corrosion around the tank drain? Or maybe cut that section out and weld in an entire new corner? just curious...
Good video good aircraft
Great job on the video to both you and TAS for showing and explaining your annual inspection.
Terrance thank you. We put a ton of work into this and I hope we can reach more people as we move forward. Any shares to social media would be great. Thanks again for your support! -Sean
Very cool. Enjoyed watching that.
Thanks Sean, great video of the detail TAS puts into making your baby safe! My 77 310R has about the same hours. Having attended the Twin Cessna Seminar put on by Tony at TAS I will be taking mine to Defiance, OH for it's next annual. Go Big Blue!
Steve thanks so much! TAS is def the place to go. They have more experience in twin Cessnas than anyone. I’m going to the seminar this fall I hope. BIG BLUE NATION! Lol
Sure you feel better knowing that all of the plane was inspected and now you fly out of Richmond with full confidence that there are no issues. And to have a video of the inspection and repairs….Wow.
I do Rick and thanks. I really like to understand the systems and the aircraft that I'm flying. Why not you know? TAS offers an engine and systems seminar each year that I think I am going to attend to really understand more. Thanks for the continued support. Hope to see you around. Sean
Fantastic video! Thank you Sean! And thank you TAS for giving us a inside look!
Thanks Chris! All of it as you know is a labor of love.
Thank you for sharing your experience with TAS
They are good folks.
Very good video. A friend and I owned a 310Q .. 90% the same. We were able to save some money on the annual by doing some of the stuff ourselves such as pulling all the inspection plates and the interior. A good shop will encourage that as it makes you much more familiar with the inner workings of your plane.
Great editing and information. Gave me some great tips. Love the videos Sean.
Thanks Chris. I appreciate your support here and on our Patreon!
Cool video, man! I'm an A&P, production test pilot, and UH-60 Crew Chief, and would encourage a lot of owners to get involved with their annuals. You can learn a ton about your airframe and it's a lot of fun!
Exactly. I am a hands on owner. Show me and teach me.
Holy cow I know that's gotta be a little scary seeing your aircraft tore down that far. I must say I definitely agree with you on seeking out the best in the business. I'd feel more confident knowing they specialize in twin Cessnas. Thanks TAS and Fire Pilot for putting this all together to educate us a little. Glad to see you are back in the air for another year.
Kevin - it is pretty scare torn down like it is. You think - what are they going to find? Is there something that is looming in there that is going to be really expensive? At the same time, you hope they find everything. Any ounce of doubt in your aircraft while you are in flight is not a good feeling.
I’m not an aircraft owner but I’m amazed how many issues you had. I look after my car better than that - for instance I’m damn sure I’d have noticed a fuel leak before an annual inspection or MOT was due as it’s known in the U.K.
Awesome video man, glad to see you’re really going through your airframe and cleaning things up! Not sure if it’s already been mentioned, but just to clarify, the FAR’s are the Federal Aviation Regulations. The CFR is the Code of Federal regulations. Chapter 14 of the CFR is the FAR’s. Your content keeps getting better and better. Keep it up!
Thanks so much. I was a bit off on that piece of information. But I hope it didn't miss the point of the overall video. Bad data on my part!
I loved your video. It really shows firsthand how once you open up and start looking you can find so much more than you ever thought could be wrong. All perspective owners should see this
James - you are correct. Safety is key here and we can't ignore the fact that safety is expensive. But it's worth every penny to us. The things we get to do and see are just amazing. Thanks for the support and the watch James.
Closed on my first aircraft last week. Beechcraft Debonair (N923T). I am already nervous about my first annual because I just know that it will look a lot like this video. Great content!
Thanks Jon! Although you really have to consider maintenance costs in aviation ownership, don't let it scare you. It is manageable with minimized risk. The life changing experiences that it gives you is worth every penny. Thanks for your support and CONGRATS on your plane ownership!
@@TheFirePilot oh, I, aware and prepared (I think). I just know the first annual inspection can be....interesting.
Debonair is a fine acft. Some are 300hp
Great vid! 👍🏻 Thanks for sharing the process, very insightful. Probably feels like a new airplane now!
It sort of does! I do have a weird vibration I need to work through. I am not sure where it's coming from but we will see. Thanks for the support. -Sean
Great content, keep it up!
Thanks so much. Appreciate the support.
Sean, Found it very interesting. Never dreamed it was that labor intensive.
I knew it was pretty intense but the amount of specialty needed to accomplish the repairs was a bit eye opening.
Beautiful aircraft man! This was really interesting to watch. Liked and subscribed 👍😎.
Thanks so much for the support. We try to have some fun and bring some value to the table.
Great vid!
Thanks Dave. I appreciate the support. -Sean
reminds me of all the dollars you have to spend not to be on the news, like the 310 pilot from Aurora inspection that had to be a huge amount of money and time not flying, Thanks for sharing
Never heard of the 310 Pilot. Who is she? :-)
@@TheFirePilot th-cam.com/video/E5wvVAgOgJk/w-d-xo.html
Really nice to see the other side! Huge respect to the engineers 👏 but I bet that list of things that needed sorting was a shock
It was rough! But these guys are amazing. We are happy things were found, but it was expensive. We hope to have a Bahamas trip this year.
@@TheFirePilot they looked very thorough, which is what you want. Certainly don’t want things going wrong in the air 😆 that would be an amazing trip!
Great video!
Thanks Jason. Hope folks find it useful. Hope it won't actually scare people away from owning a 310! lol
👍☑️ great job of making this clear and understandable. Saw Kevin, how much did he charge for the cameo? LOL
I actually sent him a bill. Lol
I’m an A&P mechanic that works for UPS Airlines. I’m with Tech Service with aircraft maintenance. I live in Louisville Kentucky I’d love to come up and see your shop. I grew up with my dad flying a C320
Those must be some Great memories Aaron. I hope that our son will remember the same. TAS is up in Defiance, Ohio. I am sure the would give you the tour. The things aren't as interesting as the knowledge and skill they have.
FAR stands for “federal aviation regulations”
Excellent video though! Hopefully I’ll be a twin Cessna owner soon!
I did get that completely wrong. .... Sorry about that one. It was already published after I caught it. Thanks for watching.
great video...how many days did it take for this annual?
Thanks Rob - it took 5 weeks after drop off. I dropped off a day or so early. Once they got to work it was a steady pace of communication.
cool plane cool video cool mechanics. its good to have mechs that know the mission. also this makes you wonder how it passed previous annuals....hmmm
Thanks and yes it does. The previous annuals just weren't as detailed as this for sure. Thanks for the support Donny.
@@TheFirePilot im glad you are back going again. In military after a plane comes out of maint they take it local before launching off to who knows where. That 310 is in great condition now how does it feel to have the cables right?
@@TheFirePilot you are welcome
it amazing me what you have to go thru to keep the plane and YOU safe to flyn not to mention the down time and $$$$$$
You got that right! Do it right the first time is my motto.
Great content. Just so you know, Pilot owner is ultimately responsible for "grounding" the airplane. Owner can request a log book ent. that releases the aircraft as "Annual inspection complete and a list of discrepancies has been provided to the owner". So, you (owner) are not at the mercy of the maintenance personal, you (owner) are always the final call, legally and otherwise.
Very good representation of the process. We (A&P/I.A.s) are in the business of safety and Airworthiness, it is all part of the deal. Aircraft ownership is not for the "faint of heart OR thin of wallet."
Thanks Airmotive Welding. Although I wasn't completely clear on those facts - I am also of the mindset that I want it right. So I was happy to have them all fixed. I wasn't happy to pay for it all but as you said - that comes along with it. Best way to have a small fortune with airplanes is to start with a large fortune before you own one.
Great video. How much did the annual inspection cost and how much did the repairs cost? How many days to complete the inspection and repairs?
John... This annual was the first REAL annual that this plane has had done in more than 5 years. Plus - I did not do a very thorough pre-buy. The annual was nearly $30,000 and took about 5 weeks. Thanks for following along.
@@TheFirePilot Thanks!
Sean, not to sound rude, but what did this annual service end up costing you?
Thanks
It took 5 weeks and over $30,000. I'm still paying the damn thing off!
@@TheFirePilot Yikes! Was looking at picking up a T310R and well, I'm gonna re-think this. 😂
@@sleektruck22 The key is getting a good pre-buy. I had to nearly overhaul a prop replace the flat motor had some gear trunnion cracks as well as some other costly things that typically you may not have. The 310 is the best light twin available to General aviation.
@@TheFirePilot thanks so much for the advice. I'll be sure to be a bit more careful on my choice and get a great prebuy. Thanks for all your help and keep up the great work.
Good video. What was the total cost ?
Around $30,000!
TAS rocks.
Lots to be done flew a 310 for a while the workshop I dealt with didn’t go into this detail.
These guys are some of the best.
What was the final bill? asking for a friend?
We were less than $30K for our first real in depth annual. It hurt. Alot. I am still paying it off. lol -Sean
@@TheFirePilot Ouch!! I’m starting to look around for some twin pistons and the 310 is on the top of my list.
Just really trying to grasp a feel on what to expect in ownership cost and annuals.
A 30K annual, granted you had a lot of additional work done is not for the faint of heart 😬.
You should have a contest for whoever guesses the final bill on the annual . I would say around $10,000
Ahahahahaha that was the down payment.
Sean, when you get her back she’ll feel like a new plane!!!
But……
Ouch!!
Shes great. Have a few small things to work through but TAS is committed to our long term success and partnership. I hope this was helpful but I hope it doesn't scare people away from ownership. Thanks Ron!
FAR is NOT Federal Administrative Regulation, but Federal Aviation Regulation!
You are correct. That was an error I cough after publish
Well Sean.. all three of us that watched the video had a meeting and took a vote. We all voted that it was great, we learned a ton about your airplane and we can wait until you put another video out…
Thanks as always for your support Andrew. I wish we were getting a little better exposure on our videos so I make jokes about no one watching but for those of you that really support us so much I am truly humbled and thankful.
Cost ? Seems like a lot was neglected by the previous owner
It was nearly $30,000. The previous owner didn't maintain it as well as they should and I didn't do as good of a pre-buy as I should. So all of it fell on me!
Thanks for taking the time and effort to edit and share this videos! Many of us fellow pilots really appreciate it! Even though only a few may comment. Keep this valuable information coming. Would you mind sharing the cost of your annual? I currently fly high performance singles and looking to move into twins and want to be able to anticipate real world scenarios like yours. Thanks! (Feel free to send me a direct message if you dont want to publish it here)
Our annual this past year was less then 30k. We had a lot to fix obviously. That’s not normal. I’d say maybe 6-8k per year for a really good annual.
That looked painfully expensive. Buying an aircraft is cheap, maintaining it is expensive.
You are exactly right. Often said - the cost of acquisition of an airplane is the cheapest part of owning an airplane. That is 100% true.
Bring us Donuts! Labor cost is cheap there! Just kidding!
hahah - trust me.. nothing.. I mean NOTHING was cheap!
@@TheFirePilot I'm a retired A&P, I know all too well what the maintenance costs are. I live on the other side, where the owner would place the plane in our hands to do a real Annual and would call half way through it demanding the plane be ready in 3 days for a flight that was a must do! That plane never came back through our doors again! Our choice! Your lucky you went to a very good shop! I have never heard one complaint about that company!
@@jhaedtler Thanks! Those guys were top notch. I appreciate the support. I am just not okay with something that I know needs to be fixed left unresolved. I don't have to be anywhere for anything. We will fly another day!
Money well spent.
It was quite a bit of $ - but I agree. Can't deny that.
gosh its getting worse
lol Hope not!
this is more terrible than usual
Uh oh? The video or the annual?
Yes
I hate to tell you buddy, a mechanic has no authority to ground an airplane That's for damn sure Good job try to scare aircraft owners with your BS
You must be new here. Good job.
@@TheFirePilot I'm unsure what you mean by saying I must be new here, sounds like you're being a little sarcastic, please explain.
@@christophergagliano2051 I’m not trying to scare anyone. You made that assumption. I was explaining that with certain mechanical problems your aircraft is no longer safe to fly. We share our experiences here. Those may be different from your own. And that’s ok.
@@TheFirePilot The problem is you're giving out bad information so when you say you share experiences you're sharing bad information. A mechanic has no authority to ground an airplane so that's just total BS and has no business being in a video about aircraft maintenance.
@@christophergagliano2051 so if an AP tells you hey bud you have a crack in your cranks case. Catastrophic engine failure is eminent. You say… ok cya and fly her away?