By Zlaer 2 days ago (Patch 10.1.7)Source#107 It’s worth noting that Killing Spree is currently bugged on the PTR and has a reduced time delay between each strike, dealing up to 38% more damage than intended when used with 7 combo points. This is fixed internally and should make its way to PTR in a future build update. Keep the bug reports coming!
Imo vanish actually becomes an offensive cooldown with Crackshot and Underhanded Over Hand giving a 6sec Subterfuge window, plus if you use Ace Up Your Sleeve, which gives BTE a chance to fully refund combo points, you can spam BTEs back to back to back if lucky, especially when you have Marked for Death and Adrenaline Rush filling in the gaps for you. Additionally, you can do this 6sec burst in the opener for 6 sec, then Vanish and spam BTEs for 6 more seconds and then Shadow Dance and spam BTEs for 6 more seconds and if you're lucky with the Roll the Bones buffs from the opener and get the one that further reduces your CDs per combo point, you might even have your Vanish reset just as Shadow dance ends, so you can Vanish again for another 6secs of BTE burst with Crackshot. Amidst all that Marked For Death resets really fast with all the BTE spamming and you get to use it more than once to fill in the gaps instead of using a global on Ambush. It's awesome! I've constantly gotten off 15-20 BTE shots within that 12-18 second Subterfuge/Shadow Dance window. With more haste, more's probably possible. Also, Count the Odds and Summarily Dispatched proc off the Crackshot BTEs, which could be worth investing into. It's so much fun! Hope it doesnt get changed or nerfed to the ground where it's unusable and not fun.
Was going to say yeah, Vanish combined with Shadow dance makes for a really long window of this. Whats even better is, with MFD and a couple of resets, all of this would be ranged until you need to ambush to refill combo points. Getting 4-5 of these in a row AT RANGE is freaking nuts. Haste doesn't decrease Rogue GCD so I don't think it would help fit more in the window, unless you are somehow running low on energy. I actually went all in on haste to try out the new SnD talent and auto attacks can end up a huge part of your dps with that build. Might not be bad to go in on lots of haste + mastery and the SnD talent to have huge pressure even when waiting on cooldowns. Also btw, I think the duration freeze talent for SnD + BF during AR is sick combined with the burst you described. Just adding in cleave to that whole 18 second window without needing to use a single GCD to upkeep BF is juicy. Lotta good options with Outlaw gonna come from this I think.
@@nickfarace9339 That SnD build could be sick too, you're right. The max I've gotten is like 110% increase in attack speed and I was already hitting soooo fast. Going even faster would probably be really insane. Knowing that there's probably more than one competitive build is really reassuring. Ofc everything depends on number tuning in the end, but just the different playstyles is really nice
Bloody Dancing Steel looks so sick. I missed cutoff for the appearance by 3 points back in WoD. Even though I quit back during Legion, I kick myself to this day for not getting one more win in.
If this doesn’t get nerfed in the first week (not bc it’s broken, but because blizz can’t keep their hands off rogues, even after changes go live), I will definitely try this. Nelf seems like it would be good considering how much value this build gets from stealth openers.
@@mrkempen11 "like always" assa is nerfed into D tier. Idk what game you talking about but assa is once again weak af. Im not talking rogues, im talking assa, and if you cant see this you're delusional af. Assa has been C tier for the last 6 months
Loving the way the class design looks with talent revamps. Gonna have to see what Perforated Veins + Rotten + Goremaw's bite does for Sub, Outlaw may contend for the go-to rogue spec! Looking forward to this patch:D Even without Perf Veins, a Rotten Goremaw during Dance would be a ridiculous amount of damage, pair it up with a Cold Blood + Secret Tech and you can force cds so easily or even get kills simply by pressing Dance in a Kidney Shot. Sub does feel one-dimensional in terms of damage windows: CC+Dance, that's basically it. Outlaw has, through this, 3-4 seperate burst windows. Dance, AR, Killing Spree, Marked for Death + Ghostly Strike.
What I love about this is that it will be hard to peel you off once you've queued up everything. I literally stopped playing rogue because of KS. I used to play combat back in MoP and spree was just the best. So glad to see it back.
The combat log is broken. I was on the PTR testing assassination out with their new execute passive and a lot of the time the damage doesn't even show from sudden death. Other times it's super low numbers that make no sense. Having a working combat log is pretty important for reporting bugs properly... Yet somehow bliz... Nevermind, no need for a rant, you all likely know the point I was about to make. ^.^
Mark for death removed. Got to switch up your tactics. They also removed dreadblades the other way to burst very hard with crackshot. I just think this wont be used now.
@@Palumor One thing I was interested in but didn't get to test yet. If you CB before a stealth BtE does both the BtE and Dispatch crit? If so huge burst from that. Might be worth giving up vigor for.
i tested out full haste build with 15% crit, its a lot better damage then mastery. i swapped out the point in Slight of Hand for Swift Slasher. SnD gave me 88% attack speed looool. auto attack damage was 18% of my damage, and was almost as much as dispatch and pistol shot. (both 21%). i tried it with dance, and also tried swapping dance out with echoing repremand, it did way more damage compared to mastery
Dagger instead of sword? I don't think the dagger is necessary with the new outlaw build. So wouldn't you be losing a lot of damage using it over a sword?
I tested dagger offhand vs slow offhand, the damage is the basically the same and Main Gauche hits just as hard with a dagger, so it comes down to Stat preference
Could you doa video on how to practice the CC as a rogue in a solo shuffle setting. I'm struggling to get the hang of this. Like step>blind healer step dance target. I'm struggling to practice this or find a way on dummies. Cheers.
you need to use focus macros. you can practice on dummies. focus one dummy to the side [a cleave dummy works] and main target the pvp dummy in glads refuge. you should be using focus macros on the healer in SS, that way you don't have to swap targets constantly. i have focus macro shadowstep, kidney, gouge, blind, cheap shot and sap. its a lot of binds but to make it easier, heres an example: the 6 spells i named above, we'll say are binds 1-6. for your focus, just add shift, so the binds are the same, but to cast to your focus, you just hold shift and press the corresponding spell. so if kidney shot is 3, focus kidney is shift + 3. hope this helps ya.
Everyone in the comments is literally telling you this is just clickbait content cause its gonna nerfed. See i told you it would happen like last video where you just generate views for outdated gameplay that would get nerfed. Get a Life!
Blizzard the overwhelming majority of the rogue player base does NOT like roll the bones rng please take this time to remove rtb and try something better.
@@kodylaclair961 ammnd if that was true, why does no one run shadowdance as other specs? Other than for fun or testing WHY? Because dance has always been for sub
@@chrisofblades5167 you're clueless, go look at the top outlaw players right now and tell me how many aren't running dance. You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
this burst takes too long to setup and is explained weird. also why is the vid 14 minutes for no reason we all know the setup and talents of outlaw. wasting 12 minutes of our time rather than showing the burst is annoying. just trying to give you tips on making channel better for better audience viewers.
Why you would need good luck using a cheese build in arena? A cheese build is literally a build that is OP without needing skill. Good luck playing against a cheese build.
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By Zlaer 2 days ago (Patch 10.1.7)Source#107
It’s worth noting that Killing Spree is currently bugged on the PTR and has a reduced time delay between each strike, dealing up to 38% more damage than intended when used with 7 combo points. This is fixed internally and should make its way to PTR in a future build update. Keep the bug reports coming!
this vid was made today so this it what it actually looks like after the fix
@@Palumor it’s not nerfed yet on ptr i thought
Imo vanish actually becomes an offensive cooldown with Crackshot and Underhanded Over Hand giving a 6sec Subterfuge window, plus if you use Ace Up Your Sleeve, which gives BTE a chance to fully refund combo points, you can spam BTEs back to back to back if lucky, especially when you have Marked for Death and Adrenaline Rush filling in the gaps for you.
Additionally, you can do this 6sec burst in the opener for 6 sec, then Vanish and spam BTEs for 6 more seconds and then Shadow Dance and spam BTEs for 6 more seconds and if you're lucky with the Roll the Bones buffs from the opener and get the one that further reduces your CDs per combo point, you might even have your Vanish reset just as Shadow dance ends, so you can Vanish again for another 6secs of BTE burst with Crackshot. Amidst all that Marked For Death resets really fast with all the BTE spamming and you get to use it more than once to fill in the gaps instead of using a global on Ambush. It's awesome!
I've constantly gotten off 15-20 BTE shots within that 12-18 second Subterfuge/Shadow Dance window. With more haste, more's probably possible.
Also, Count the Odds and Summarily Dispatched proc off the Crackshot BTEs, which could be worth investing into.
It's so much fun! Hope it doesnt get changed or nerfed to the ground where it's unusable and not fun.
Was going to say yeah, Vanish combined with Shadow dance makes for a really long window of this. Whats even better is, with MFD and a couple of resets, all of this would be ranged until you need to ambush to refill combo points. Getting 4-5 of these in a row AT RANGE is freaking nuts.
Haste doesn't decrease Rogue GCD so I don't think it would help fit more in the window, unless you are somehow running low on energy. I actually went all in on haste to try out the new SnD talent and auto attacks can end up a huge part of your dps with that build. Might not be bad to go in on lots of haste + mastery and the SnD talent to have huge pressure even when waiting on cooldowns.
Also btw, I think the duration freeze talent for SnD + BF during AR is sick combined with the burst you described. Just adding in cleave to that whole 18 second window without needing to use a single GCD to upkeep BF is juicy.
Lotta good options with Outlaw gonna come from this I think.
@@nickfarace9339 That SnD build could be sick too, you're right. The max I've gotten is like 110% increase in attack speed and I was already hitting soooo fast. Going even faster would probably be really insane. Knowing that there's probably more than one competitive build is really reassuring. Ofc everything depends on number tuning in the end, but just the different playstyles is really nice
@@johnkurtanidze3284 yup that's what I like about it. Build variety. I feel like I could make two or three builds just for outlaw pvp.
i dont know if craskshot will work with subterfuge tho? anyone tested is, right now crackshot is bigged as hell
It works with subterfuge. It wasn't bugged on ptr since the beginning@@illmore3858
Bloody Dancing Steel looks so sick. I missed cutoff for the appearance by 3 points back in WoD. Even though I quit back during Legion, I kick myself to this day for not getting one more win in.
If this doesn’t get nerfed in the first week (not bc it’s broken, but because blizz can’t keep their hands off rogues, even after changes go live), I will definitely try this. Nelf seems like it would be good considering how much value this build gets from stealth openers.
They've already started to butcher Assa. As always
"like always" rogue is always busted.@@SoulOfDarkness77
@@mrkempen11 "like always" assa is nerfed into D tier. Idk what game you talking about but assa is once again weak af. Im not talking rogues, im talking assa, and if you cant see this you're delusional af. Assa has been C tier for the last 6 months
Skill issue with here.@@mrkempen11
@@SoulOfDarkness77 D TIER D TIER D TIER C TIER. Make up your mind.🤡
Loving the way the class design looks with talent revamps. Gonna have to see what Perforated Veins + Rotten + Goremaw's bite does for Sub, Outlaw may contend for the go-to rogue spec! Looking forward to this patch:D
Even without Perf Veins, a Rotten Goremaw during Dance would be a ridiculous amount of damage, pair it up with a Cold Blood + Secret Tech and you can force cds so easily or even get kills simply by pressing Dance in a Kidney Shot. Sub does feel one-dimensional in terms of damage windows: CC+Dance, that's basically it. Outlaw has, through this, 3-4 seperate burst windows. Dance, AR, Killing Spree, Marked for Death + Ghostly Strike.
So, Improved AR is a thing in Live, but what it did was gave you full CP at the start and end of AR, it instead now gives you a full energy bar
What I love about this is that it will be hard to peel you off once you've queued up everything. I literally stopped playing rogue because of KS. I used to play combat back in MoP and spree was just the best. So glad to see it back.
The combat log is broken. I was on the PTR testing assassination out with their new execute passive and a lot of the time the damage doesn't even show from sudden death. Other times it's super low numbers that make no sense. Having a working combat log is pretty important for reporting bugs properly... Yet somehow bliz... Nevermind, no need for a rant, you all likely know the point I was about to make. ^.^
According to the rogue dev KIlling Spree is currently doing up to ~40% more dmg than intended on the ptr. Don't get excited just yet, boys.
This was made after it was fixed.
slice and dice now scales with haste. definitely something to consider
Mark for death removed. Got to switch up your tactics. They also removed dreadblades the other way to burst very hard with crackshot. I just think this wont be used now.
Killing Spree still seems to be needing more buff
I always thought it was strange that a spell literally called Killing Spree did nothing.
Outlaw still feels like it needs a bit of a buff on overall dmg though
Would Cold Blood be worth taking for Killing Spree since not building crit?
CB doesn't work with Kspree unfortunately
@@Palumor One thing I was interested in but didn't get to test yet. If you CB before a stealth BtE does both the BtE and Dispatch crit? If so huge burst from that. Might be worth giving up vigor for.
if killing spree works anything like it did in wrath it can proc poisons/trinkets and mastery
lol just asked a question on outlaw on your last vid and then I see you post this. Poggers!
i tested out full haste build with 15% crit, its a lot better damage then mastery. i swapped out the point in Slight of Hand for Swift Slasher. SnD gave me 88% attack speed looool. auto attack damage was 18% of my damage, and was almost as much as dispatch and pistol shot. (both 21%). i tried it with dance, and also tried swapping dance out with echoing repremand, it did way more damage compared to mastery
Dagger instead of sword? I don't think the dagger is necessary with the new outlaw build. So wouldn't you be losing a lot of damage using it over a sword?
I tested dagger offhand vs slow offhand, the damage is the basically the same and Main Gauche hits just as hard with a dagger, so it comes down to Stat preference
Could you doa video on how to practice the CC as a rogue in a solo shuffle setting. I'm struggling to get the hang of this. Like step>blind healer step dance target. I'm struggling to practice this or find a way on dummies. Cheers.
you need to use focus macros. you can practice on dummies. focus one dummy to the side [a cleave dummy works] and main target the pvp dummy in glads refuge. you should be using focus macros on the healer in SS, that way you don't have to swap targets constantly. i have focus macro shadowstep, kidney, gouge, blind, cheap shot and sap. its a lot of binds but to make it easier, heres an example: the 6 spells i named above, we'll say are binds 1-6. for your focus, just add shift, so the binds are the same, but to cast to your focus, you just hold shift and press the corresponding spell. so if kidney shot is 3, focus kidney is shift + 3. hope this helps ya.
Great tips kody
YES MY FAVE SPEC IN THE GAME IS SEEING MAD LOVE that new crackshot hits different
i also love the new killing spree
Last time I played rogue was MoP when spree was good. Might finally be time to run it back.
I Miss the old one Stunner Betwen the Eyes thing 😢
Oohhh, I'm totally not jealous of your Glorious Tyranny illusion, ooooo not at all *cries in a corner*
skilling spree is back baby. Im shouting Red Buff everytime
Everyone in the comments is literally telling you this is just clickbait content cause its gonna nerfed. See i told you it would happen like last video where you just generate views for outdated gameplay that would get nerfed. Get a Life!
Rogue survivability this patch seems a bit extreme. Especially with the damage they also have.
Kings Defender.. took me so many runs to finally get it to drop :D
You need to roll the bones after AR
Definitely not worth it just for the extra roll compared to missing the points on imp AR during burst.
Yo Palumor I love you man keep it up
It’s a bug!!! Read blue posts
This was made after it was fixed.
i've just came back to wow. looks nice...
It's so funny to me that this rework did nothing for button bloat. Then they wonder why so little people play rogue in PVE.
Hey im in the background!
Big op Rogue gamer
when the 10.2 will release?
No date yet! Prob around a month from now
great! would you prefer outlaw over sub this season?
Personally prefer sub but outlaw is great with boomkin@@preyz.
Not soon enough :(
I love Outlaw. ^^
Looks so cool
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" is something Muhammed Ali used to say.
Op for sure, can you do a sub video?
I still miss wod comabt rogue so much :((
YAAAAARRRR WE'RE BACK SCALLYWAGS
Don’t believe this will make it to live
This sounds fun sub is kind of boring ngl and asass is for nerds outlaw is gigachad spec
Try dreadblades and killing spree, fastest way to die to a target dummy in 3 globals
Where is the Sin video 😮
They made some nerfs and there ended up not being many changes tbh :/
The reason why it's op is cuz it's bugged as of right now
This was made after it was fixed.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand rogues are nerfed
K I m just hoping for big nerfs already XD
when the.
More like 15+ years
Wod
Blizzard the overwhelming majority of the rogue player base does NOT like roll the bones rng please take this time to remove rtb and try something better.
Who's majority of the rogue players? On what basis do you speak?
rtb is just annoying i agree with him@@johnkurtanidze3284
Cute
First? Pog
Worst Rogue re work ever.. shadowndance is STILL not exclusive to Sub rogue??
nobody wants it exclusive to sub rogue, put the crackpipe down. sub rogue gets double dance.
@@kodylaclair961 ammnd if that was true, why does no one run shadowdance as other specs? Other than for fun or testing
WHY? Because dance has always been for sub
@@chrisofblades5167 you're clueless, go look at the top outlaw players right now and tell me how many aren't running dance. You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
@@kodylaclair961shadow dance should only be for sub, we need outlaw like it was in wrath
this burst takes too long to setup and is explained weird. also why is the vid 14 minutes for no reason we all know the setup and talents of outlaw. wasting 12 minutes of our time rather than showing the burst is annoying. just trying to give you tips on making channel better for better audience viewers.
I just wasted my time reading this^
you didnt have to read it tho? i didnt write it for you
@@jacobkasper-i9o
Never heard of skipping? If you don't want an explanation, you can just go straight to when he's doing the burst rotation. I know... mindblowing huh?
You are such an annoying person for this comment absolute cringey person
cheese build good luck doing that in arena
How is this a cheese build?
Why you would need good luck using a cheese build in arena? A cheese build is literally a build that is OP without needing skill. Good luck playing against a cheese build.
No assn? We not trying to get it nerfed or it suck or what? 🤔🧐🥹😂