Can Bobby Beat Johnny Lawrence and Daniel LaRusso?

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  • Can Karate Kid fan favorite Bobby Brown beat Cobra Kai champion Johnny Lawrence and Daniel LaRusso in a fight? Would Bobby be 1984 All Valley Champion if it wasn't for John Kreese (Martin Kove)?
    Ken breaks down Bobby's fighting skills in the first Karate Kid movie and the Cobra Kai series, and compares him to Johnny Lawrence (William Zabka) and Daniel LaRusso (Ralph Macchio). He then makes a Cobra Kai theory suggesting Bobby's potential role in Cobra Kai Season 5 and beyond.
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    0:00 Intro
    0:55 What we know about Bobby Brown
    1:18 Was Bobby or Tommy runner-up to Johnny Lawrence in 1983?
    2:50 Bobby knew he could beat Daniel LaRusso
    3:32 John Kreese favored Johnny Lawrence over Bobby.
    4:18 Why Bobby could beat Johnny Lawrence
    4:47 Bobby's fighting skills against Daniel and Johnny
    5:47 John Kreese knew Bobby could beat Johnny
    6:27 Bobby and Daniel's Soccer/Football Fight
    7:43 Could Bobby Win Today in the Cobra Kai Series?
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  • @danielvillarreal5534
    @danielvillarreal5534 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Great video, Ken! I have been thinking a lot about this recently, and I also think Bobby had a pretty good chance of beating both Johnny and Daniel. Johnny's story comic shows how Bobby beats Johnny during a cobra kai training combat. That was during their training for the 84 tournament. This example brings a hint that Bobby was getting stronger to the point where he could have been the all valley champ. It's great that you brought up that Kreese and Johnny conversation because it is key to this idea. Kreese knew well that Bobby was getting strong enough to beat Johnny at the tournament. At the same time, Kreese gets Bobby to use his skills against Daniel because he knows that Bobby can severely injure Daniel. Even more than Johnny. He tried to take advantage of the situation so Johnny could have defended his title for the third time. Kreese's actions prove that he cared more about Johnny than the rest of his dojo and that Kreese didn't want Bobby to be his next champion which is indeed very sad. I hope we get to see more of Bobby in season 5. He could be the new eagle fang sensei while Johnny is away in Mexico looking for Miguel.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Excellent comment and thanks for mentioning the story comic - I'll need to check it out!

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@Ken Cole can you made a video of who would win kk1 johnny vs kk2 chozen

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@Ken Cole can you made a video of who would win kk1 johnny vs kk2 chozen

    • @NonnofYobiznes
      @NonnofYobiznes ปีที่แล้ว

      *I hope the writers take note and bring Bobby as some kind of sleeper fighter. Maybe he can be the one defeating Kreese. After all it'd be quite symbolic. Kreese is so evil and Bobby is a man of god by now. The show is called "COBRA KAI" not "Karate KID" anymore. Daniel doesn't have to be the hero anymore. However, since Ralph Macchio is an executive producer in the show, he's probably the one who'll be the hero at the end...*

    • @Mark-cf2zl
      @Mark-cf2zl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Johnny was confirmed the best fighter from Kreese and Johnny was total nerfed in the tournament he had no confidence and focus also confirmed by Kreese and he stated it himself. It's also to see in the film. Johnny's confidence was also low because Ali he also said it in season 1 and then he saw what Kreese did, he forced Bobby to hurt Daniel and didin't let him win.
      Johnny's emotions were on the ground.

  • @mickwoodfield9980
    @mickwoodfield9980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Something a lot of people forget is Johnny had won in 1982 and 1983 Winner 2 years in a row, in KK 3 When Daniel wins the announcer says he was the first to win 2 years in a row

    • @poutsamouni5483
      @poutsamouni5483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Cobra kai finally brought it back

    • @michaeltabor9596
      @michaeltabor9596 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Also funny that Johnny brings back cobra Kai but the actual people that were banned was Terry silver & I believe Kreese he paid the reff wonder if he paid the committee as well or they just looked the other way

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      This is a great question that I was wondering about myself.

    • @AwesomeIronGuy
      @AwesomeIronGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That confused me too

    • @mickwoodfield9980
      @mickwoodfield9980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KenCole and about the runner up thing maybe Runner Up meant something else in the 80s

  • @adhdmed
    @adhdmed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    The actor who plays Bobby is an actual Martial arts instructor and owns his own gym.

    • @Willie-go6dc
      @Willie-go6dc ปีที่แล้ว +14

      He’s a Real Life Sensei 💯

    • @MVPOverLordZSX
      @MVPOverLordZSX ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yup

    • @MVPOverLordZSX
      @MVPOverLordZSX ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@Willie 1077 he's 6th degree Judo but William Zabka was an Accomplished Wrestler at MMA

    • @StandWatie1862
      @StandWatie1862 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@MVPOverLordZSX Wrestling is not mma

    • @FallenDemon101
      @FallenDemon101 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He has sadly passed away in 2019 rip you legend

  • @jgsrhythm100
    @jgsrhythm100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Bobby Brown not only Karate
    but big hits in the 80's,
    " That's my Perogative" !!!

  • @mario9119
    @mario9119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I bet if we see Bobby and kreese together, Bobby will have a serious grudge against kreese

    • @dragonfire4527
      @dragonfire4527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You're right. As we've seen in season 2 episode 6 "Take a right". When Johnny tells Bobby that Kreese was back and presumably co-teaching his students Bobby was distrustful of Kreese saying always had something up his sleeve. So if Bobby does return im season 5 or 6 he might still hold a grudge against Kreese for his actions back in 84 and what he did to Johnny during that same time.

  • @DGamer5000
    @DGamer5000 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    To be fair, Johnny in the 1984 All Valley was mentally nerfed due to his lost of focus cause of his breakup with Ali and lost of confidence cause of his lost against Mr Miyagi

  • @hectorbarbossa4403
    @hectorbarbossa4403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I think Bobby was 2nd in 83 and Tommy 2nd in 82

    • @N.A.O.H_123
      @N.A.O.H_123 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same

  • @lizzkaayako2270
    @lizzkaayako2270 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    1:51 One plausible solution: The tournament Johnny and Tommy are referring to isn't the All-Valley. Johnny simply says "𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 tournament back in '83;" it's possible that Johnny, Tommy, and Vidal had competed in more than one tournament that year. (Martial arts students do this in the real-world all the time; some tournaments are more prestigious than others, and we know from Karate Kid III that Mike Barnes also competed in multiple tournaments). Johnny almost says the phrase as if he can't exactly remember the name of that particular tournament; if it's the All-Valley he's referring to, why wouldn't he call it by its properly prestigious name? The fact that Johnny never talks elsewhere about winning this tournament would indicate it was a lesser-known, less prestigious tournament than the All-Valley...a "Some Valley."

    • @hectorbarbossa4403
      @hectorbarbossa4403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good Call

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      GREAT point, I like it!

    • @saschadavid1959
      @saschadavid1959 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This was confirmed on a Q&A with the big three a while back 😉👍

    • @mannyzooka6368
      @mannyzooka6368 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great solution. And it also helps keep the contradiction of Johnny winning in 82’ and 83’ because in KK3 the announcer says that Daniel was the first to ever win 2 all valleys in a row. I’ve always thought that Johnny won his freshman year and his junior year

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mannyzooka6368 right bro Johnny the first one and Daniel is the second one

  • @katemaloney4296
    @katemaloney4296 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    I want to see Bobby come to Daniel and apologize for all the [garbage] Cobra Kai did. Johnny never apologized, neither did Jimmy, and I can't see Dutch looking for forgiveness, and with Tommy dead, that just leaves Bobby to make amends. I think that would help Daniel come to grips with the past in a way that will help him leave the past behind and finally grow. It might help Johnny, too.

    • @Matchstick778
      @Matchstick778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jimmy I can see apologized because he was the least aggressive cobra

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yeah, I think Bobby could've really brought Johnny and Daniel together much sooner.

    • @NDoraku
      @NDoraku 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well said! And after thinking more and more about it, the real rivalry is still Kreese vs Daniel. Those two are the reason for all events in the Cobra Kai series. When Daniel hears the name Cobra Kai, only negative things come in his mind. When Kreese hears the name Miyagi, only negative things come in his mind. Since Mr. Miyagi is death Daniel is now the red flag in Kreeses mind, and Silver was absolute right. Kreese only brought him back to get Johnny free from Daniel and come back on Kreeses side, it was never about them teaming up.
      Its very sad but this is imo the truth. Many people theorize Daniel and Kreese will team up in Season 5. I strongly doubt it because those two are the real enemies. Daniel has to change his mind and see Cobra Kai can do positive things too, like Kreese has to change his mind and see Miyagi Do can do positive things as well.

    • @chadlieb2437
      @chadlieb2437 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Bobby apologized profusely to Daniel immediately after he kicked him.

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    jimmy and bobby and johnny will soon be the new eagle fang karate senseis

  • @TheUrbanPrepper
    @TheUrbanPrepper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I absolutely LOVE your Karate Kid universe breakdowns! They are the best on the planet. After all of these years I never noticed what the announcer said in the background. There are a few inconsistencies in what was stated in Cobra Kai, but I think that KK 1-3 should be canon over CK. I hope that the CK producers review your videos before the upcoming seasons so they can confirm some of the Ken Cole Easter Eggs. Thank you for your analytical breakdowns of the KK characters!

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks so much! I appreciate it and agree that the movies should establish the canon.

  • @dynastywarriorlord07
    @dynastywarriorlord07 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Bobby already did. He 1 shot Johnny at church after saying "Forgive me, father". He also 1 shot Daniel in the 1984 tournament provided it was an illegal move by tournament standards

    • @ezanamelekot940
      @ezanamelekot940 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then he got disqualified after he did that. Being disqualified does't mean being winner in plus don't forget that when he sweep Johnny Johnny was drunk in plus he wasn't ready to fight.

  • @Renju366
    @Renju366 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It was a big mistake not adding that scene where Bobby throws his belt in the first Karate Kid movie. Not only would it have made more sense considering his Cobra Kai appearances but it also would have made that movie even better.

  • @HawkieVFX
    @HawkieVFX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Johnny beat Bobby before. If not, Tommy went to the finals in 1983. So Bobby could have lost.

  • @JacobRavenglass
    @JacobRavenglass 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:49 That smile is totally because you withheld the word "around".

  • @russellj.s.257
    @russellj.s.257 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It would be cool in season 5 if with Chozen in the mix we get Johnny,Robby and Miguel coming back along with OG Cobras teaming up with Daniel and a newly reformed John Kreese oh and Julie Pierce against Terry Silver, Mike Barnes,Snake and Dennis.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Julie Pierce v Silver would be fascinating!

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i hope all our characters are ready and motivated for cobra kai season 5 and season 6

  • @franciscoramirezespanagarc7974
    @franciscoramirezespanagarc7974 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Look at Kreese”s face before Daniel fought Dutch, as if saying to Dutch “you’re doomed pal”. Maybe Kreese didn’t believe Bobby or Johnny could beat Daniel. Maybe he wanted to punish Daniel for Miyagi beating up Johnny ams the other cobras, and for Miyagi defying him in his dojo, in front of his students.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Good observation!

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KenCole who you think would win a rematch tournament young Johnny vs Bobby 83 tournament Johnny win 3-0

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KenCole but Bobby is good though the second best cobra

  • @marciachagas9731
    @marciachagas9731 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love your videos so much, Ken!
    Please talk about Terry vs Jonnhy scene? ❤

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I will have to for sure!

  • @TeslaDRay
    @TeslaDRay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great breakdown. can you also site that background music you had on in the background, track by track? good stuff.

  • @jazzquire
    @jazzquire 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great breakdown!

  • @DAVEPLATINUM
    @DAVEPLATINUM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This is an excellent video and certainly raises a valid point, Bobby always seemed more level headed than any of the Cobra Kai students. In the Karate Kid he was the voice of reason. Several times he pointed out that Daniel had, had enough the fight was over. Bobby seemed to be a very skilled and focused fighter. He is certainly the Dark horse.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you and totally agree!

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KenCole yo

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KenColeI think Bobby can beat Daniel in the 1984 tournament

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KenCole 1983 all valley Johnny beat Bobby 3-0

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      @Ken Cole yo do you think Johnny KK1 can beat kk2 chozen in if johnny join mr miyagi in learn more defense in more offense from Mr Miyagi in Mr Miyagi know offense he just don't use it in johnny learn the drum technique

  • @ronaldtrunk7944
    @ronaldtrunk7944 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    such an excellent analysis

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i hope there will be the real trailer of Cobra kai Season 5

  • @misterlonestar
    @misterlonestar ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Analysis

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Daniel and Chozen and Julie Will soon be the new Senseis of Miyagi do

  • @ToKool4Scool
    @ToKool4Scool ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bobby has to be my all time favourite cobra Kai/karate kid character

  • @MrPeter924
    @MrPeter924 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍 Ken great video great show

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @yellowlynx
    @yellowlynx ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bobby was clearly devastated. He could have beat Daniel fair and square, but he was disqualified, and guilt stricken for hurting Daniel, when that could have been his best moment. Maybe that's why he becomes a pastor, and in the TV series he preached about forgiveness and forgiving oneself, and in the church he did a sweep on Johnny. I think in coming seasons Bobby will make amends with Daniel.

  • @minifig_studios
    @minifig_studios 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    5:21 you can see Daniel trying to move out of the way but was to slow

    • @SheepofChrist818
      @SheepofChrist818 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely. Even if people don’t agree he was better than Johnny, there is no question he was better than Daniel.

    • @Gunnersedits926
      @Gunnersedits926 ปีที่แล้ว

      The kick was still illegal so in a fair fight he wouldn’t need to worry about dodging that as it would never happen. Bobby is a good fighter but this comment section just think he can win because they like him as a character and downplay Daniel. Idk why everyone just takes Bobby’s word for it when he says he can beat Daniel. Johnny said he would beat Daniel and look how that worked out

    • @ezanamelekot940
      @ezanamelekot940 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he was to late more than trying to move on. I think at first he didn't thought Bobby would kick his kneww

  • @ido2879
    @ido2879 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Daniel was focused after he fought Bobby and like how Robby was focused after beating hawk

  • @jorchpozos7367
    @jorchpozos7367 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video

  • @Rarez9000
    @Rarez9000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes another fight video

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i hope they will renew cobra kai season 7 and season 8

  • @ivanvuk2937
    @ivanvuk2937 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    For me Bobby is the best around.
    Also I have one question. In Cobra kai when Tommy was in hospital Johnny said Tommy beat Darryl Vidal in quarter-finals in 1983, but when Robby was reading article about 1983 tournemant article said that Bobby beat Vidal in match for 3rd place.
    So which one is true.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Uh oh! The plot thickens! I’ll need to take a look at that.

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I can't wait to see Cobra Kai Season 5

  • @jgsrhythm100
    @jgsrhythm100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Who wins?
    Jujitsu master vs Karate master?
    From what I've seen in MMA
    Jujitsu 100%
    Most Jujitsu have some Kick Boxing Background as well, but it's the Jujitsu that takes down Karate every time.

  • @pinpoint4644
    @pinpoint4644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This would be great to see in s5:
    Good team:
    Johnny
    Daniel
    Chozen
    Bobby
    Kreese
    Dutch
    Jimmy
    Julie pierce
    Mr Han
    Dre
    Bad team:
    Terry Silver
    Mike Barnes
    Mr Li
    Col. Dugan
    Snake
    Dennis
    Cheng
    Liang
    And that’s just the adults 😂😂

  • @peterpham5403
    @peterpham5403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It was tommy that died but he claimed he was runner up but according to the judge it was bobby in the first Karate KId.

  • @rac8419
    @rac8419 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dutch and Mike Barnes lead Cobra Kai with Terry Silver.

  • @fan660
    @fan660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Johnny Lawrence would beat bobby in the tournament Johnny was dominatung his opponents while bobby has trouble against one of his three or one of two of his opponents and also in a deleted cobra kai scene Kreese admits that no one could beat johny in his prime

    • @masonwright7700
      @masonwright7700 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      johnny is in his prime

    • @fan660
      @fan660 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@masonwright7700 in my opinion physically yes he is in his prime but mentally no

  • @smitty5400
    @smitty5400 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bobby was second strongest cobra kai student in that time.

  • @joshuaausel9670
    @joshuaausel9670 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This Is an incredible analysis! Excellent catch on hearing what the announcer said and for showing us how good of a fighter bobby really is. I genuinely enjoy your videos!
    Keep up the good work!

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you!

  • @jaydenperez977
    @jaydenperez977 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Maybe Johnny beat him in the semi finals and made it to finals and beat Bobby

  • @Hello_Ladies
    @Hello_Ladies 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I like the takes, and agree with this one. I think Bobby was obviously close the year before and probably could have beaten Johnny. The thing is, would Bobby want to beat Johnny? They are friends and Johnny was the leader of their friend group. If Bobby won how would that go?

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You're right, Bobby might be more concerned about the social dynamics too.

    • @dragonfire4527
      @dragonfire4527 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@KenCole and since Johnny is considered to be Kreese's best student back in 84 it is possible that Johnny might beat Bobby. Though since Johnny often goes into fights without thinking and doesn't have a backup plan it is possible that Bobby could beat Johnny if he exploited that weakness.

  • @greghughes6098
    @greghughes6098 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good stuff man. Logical, level headed, intelligent and most importantly not click bait filler trash.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you!

  • @brodythebrickbuilder6843
    @brodythebrickbuilder6843 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! Are you going to do any Season 5-related videos?

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks! It is... inevitable.😆

  • @videogamesserbia9694
    @videogamesserbia9694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ken, Johnny did not win in 1982, the 2 tournaments he won are 1981 and 1983, he lost against Vidal in 1982, Kreese told that to Robby when he visited him in juvie!! In season 1 Johnny tells Miguel that his first tournament was 1981, and Kreese tells Robby that Vidal beat Johnny during his second tournament, witch means its 1982. You are making great videos btw.

    • @kkcrvenazvezda3836
      @kkcrvenazvezda3836 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah! I saw that too!

    • @calebpark665
      @calebpark665 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It says on the wikepedia that Vidal won in 1981

    • @videogamesserbia9694
      @videogamesserbia9694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Then it has to be a contraverse, becouse if Johnny lost 3 tournaments he couldn't be a 2 time champ. But thanks anyvay!

  • @sammyquast7225
    @sammyquast7225 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    in kk3 when daniel beat mike barnes they said that daniel was the first to win two years in a row but in kk1 if you listen closley the guy says that JHONNY had won two years in a row already

  • @juicee1483
    @juicee1483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    he probably could of beaten daniel but definitely not johnny

  • @Joelikesmoviesnstuff
    @Joelikesmoviesnstuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! Regarding who the 1983 runner-up was, I would agree it was Bobby. I say: the filmmakers of Karate Kid made it clear, and the Cobra Kai producers missed that. Therefore, Cobra Kai made a flaw, and Karate Kid will always be correct.

    • @kiwiatlarge76
      @kiwiatlarge76 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are quite a few little details in the back stories and dialogue that don't quite line up going from CK to it's source material (KK) .. even KK3 botched by stating Daniel was the first back to back winner.
      I favour the order the first movie set up with Daniel's tournament fights. I think it goes Johnny, Bobby, Dutch, Tommy, Jimmy.
      I also consider the conversation between Johnny and Tommy in hospital to be bad writing, written just for emotional stakes for a dying Tommy. There's no way the Tommy we saw in the first movie would be competitive against Johnny, Bobby and Vidal..

  • @mario9119
    @mario9119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yeah, he kinda was, imagine if he was teaching the eagle fang students and cobra kai students season 1-2

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree, that would've been great!

  • @drickr848
    @drickr848 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the best video. Bobby finally gets his just do!!!!!!!

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bobby rocks!

  • @chadlieb2437
    @chadlieb2437 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bobby would have been an ideal Miyagi Do student.

  • @crazyprog1938
    @crazyprog1938 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Unearthing that plot hole over who was the runner up in the 83 All Valley: Bobby or Tommy is insane. I never noticed the announcer saying that in the movie. Well done Ken!

  • @Mars-xc1ns
    @Mars-xc1ns ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bobby and Barnes should help train Eagle Fang

  • @isabelguarderas1301
    @isabelguarderas1301 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thanks for the video! I think Bobby could've easily beaten Daniel. I do, think, he had more skills than Johnny, but I also think Johnny must know him and his moves, so the match might go more evenly. Also, I think it's probable that Johnny was going a bit easy on Daniel, not targeting his injured knee on purpose, doing the honorable thing. That's why Kreese says "sweep the leg," cause he knows Johnny is holding back.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Very good points. Thank you for your comment!

    • @isabelguarderas1301
      @isabelguarderas1301 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KenCole :) thanks! I love Bobby and really liked the points you made, like the part with the soccer match and how he took Daniel by surprise. And Ron being a black belt definitely adds on to that. I hope we see more of him in season 5!

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@isabelguarderas1301 totally agree!

    • @masonwright7700
      @masonwright7700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      daneil still won so

    • @masonwright7700
      @masonwright7700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@isabelguarderas1301 daniel still won sooo

  • @jasonvoorhees328
    @jasonvoorhees328 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man if Bobby was the 1st student

  • @lakebay972
    @lakebay972 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think Johnny might've said that to Tommy to lift his spirits OR Johnny meant 1982 instead of 1983.

  • @cherechesalexdaniel811
    @cherechesalexdaniel811 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Since Johnny is going after Miguel in season 5 i would very much like for him to call in Bobby to take care of Eagle Fang while hes gone. I also would love to see more of Bobby in general and how his christian lifestyle and the philosophies learned from karate blend.
    Also i do agree with you here that Bobby was likely batter than Johnny and Daniel in the first movie at least.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It would be great if Bobby comes more into the story. He has strong personal ties to Johnny, Kreese and even Daniel.

    • @violabeaumont3758
      @violabeaumont3758 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would be interesting but I suspect with the new respect Daniel and Johnny formed for each other at the last tournament that Johnny will leave his students with Daniel and Chozen.

    • @cherechesalexdaniel811
      @cherechesalexdaniel811 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@violabeaumont3758 Likely but i still would like to see more of Bobby.

    • @cobrakats7440
      @cobrakats7440 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or Daniel working with the OG Cobras.

  • @NonnofYobiznes
    @NonnofYobiznes ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *I hope the writers take note and bring Bobby as some kind of sleeper fighter. Maybe he can be the one defeating Kreese. After all it'd be quite symbolic. Kreese is so evil and Bobby is a man of god by now. The show is called "COBRA KAI" not "Karate KID" anymore. Daniel doesn't have to be the hero anymore. However, since Ralph Macchio is an executive producer in the show, he's probably the one who'll be the hero at the end...*

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    S1 Ep10 Mercy
    S2 Ep10 No Mercy
    S3 Ep10 December 19
    S4 Ep10 The Rise
    S5 Ep10 together all united
    S6 Ep10 the reign of Mike Barnes and Terry Silver
    S7 Ep10 Chozen's Death
    S8 Ep10 a duel to the death

  • @dcap79
    @dcap79 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wait, Johnny was the 2 time champion? But at the end of part 3, the announcer said Daniel was the first 2 time winner. 🤔 💭

    • @ezanamelekot940
      @ezanamelekot940 ปีที่แล้ว

      You didn't heared him very well, he said "The winner, the first ever win in a row. The grand champion Daniel Larusso." Johnny won 2 times but he didn't won in a row. In 1981 he lost to Vidal Darrl but he became a champion in 1982 and 1983.

  • @HuegoStiglitz
    @HuegoStiglitz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This gonna get brought up in season 5 lol

  • @bobbymariani2839
    @bobbymariani2839 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Daniel was the best around, nothing will ever keep him down...

  • @landonpace5480
    @landonpace5480 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Video and Analysis!
    As a fighter myself, Bobby has the MOST balance in KK. He may not have the most raw power like Johnny or defense like Daniel. But he’s so skilled that if they were to fight, it’d be hard to choose a winner.
    So to answer this question many have always wondered. First, Bobby v Johnny.
    Now earlier you did mention that Johnny was favored by Kreese among everyone else. But why? Well ofc Kreese knew that Bobby was really skilled, seeing throughout all the other fights.
    Now Johnny is the strongest in strength overall in KK(maybe Dutch) but he’s got lots of skill too. But Johnny lacks control. Even though they were taught in the same dojo, Bobby still applied his own focus and knowledge to his own use. Making him not only better than Johnny but possibly one of the best in the KK Universe.
    Daniel? Now this one can be a little bit more justified. Seeing as though Daniel was trained under Mr. Miyagi and gained great Okinawan fighting techniques and skill. However, later stated in Cobra Kai, Miyagi didn’t teach him everything. This was because Daniel wasn’t ready,(cough) KK3. Sorry, but anyways Daniel also wasn’t as strong in balance as Bobby. Since Daniel can also loose control, making very vulnerable when he’s fighting. Giving Bobby the overall advantage over him.
    So in my opinion I think Bobby would beat either one of them. This is just an opinion so I hope you do respect it. But remember, it can and would go both ways.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow, thank you for your great comment! I appreciate your experienced perspective.

  • @gabrieldiaz7236
    @gabrieldiaz7236 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes bobby can beat them all. He was more focused and didn't let his emotions consume him. He was disciplined and smart about fighting, emotions not an issue.

    • @ezanamelekot6796
      @ezanamelekot6796 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bro as far as we knew Bobby's girlfriend didn't taken like Johnny so he doesn't have anything to let his emotion consume him.

    • @kyauyss
      @kyauyss ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ezanamelekot6796 wait, he had a girlfriend?

    • @ezanamelekot6796
      @ezanamelekot6796 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kyauyss We don't know if he had girlfriend or not. What I wanted to see is as far as we know Bobby had nothing to let his emotions consumes him. May be that's why he is focused in the fight.

  • @BenjiTheBoss
    @BenjiTheBoss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you see dutches face on the corner when bobby said but sincey I can't beat this guy

  • @lawrence09151
    @lawrence09151 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant. I agree. Also I like Bobby’s now bald head.

  • @Joelikesmoviesnstuff
    @Joelikesmoviesnstuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome video! I tend to agree that Bobby could have beaten Daniel, but not for the same detailed reasons as you. For me, we just know that Bobby was very good, and we didn't get to see everything he was capable of (as Kreese told Bobby to get himself disqualified)... I personally think Daniel felt a lot more motivation to beat Johnny than he did to beat Bobby. For example, try to imagine if things worked out differently so the semi-finals were Bobby against Vidal, and Johnny against Daniel. I'll assume Bobby would have beaten Vidal, and Johnny would have got Daniel out of commission (therefore, Johnny would have been the one disqualified). The big question here becomes: Would an injured Daniel have felt the same determination to get back in the ring to face Bobby in the final? I don't think Daniel would have. I think he might have just accepted that the Cobra Kai cheated, Johnny was disqualified, and he proved what he was capable of in fair one-on-one matches... The point here is: I don't think Daniel would have felt the same motivations against Bobby as Johnny. And Bobby was the more experienced and confident fighter there. So I think Bobby could have won... And just to clarify: I think Bobby was above the level of Tommy, Dutch and Jimmy.
    On another subject, I still don't buy what Kreese said in season 4 of Cobra Kai... My view is: During the All Valley scenes of the first movie, Kreese wanted someone from his dojo to be the champion, and he wanted Daniel to suffer. He had no problem with seeing one of his students disqualified in order to make that happen. And it's all that simple... Kreese may later think of ways to deny it. But he's lying... I fully admit that the flashbacks on Cobra Kai (of Kreese in Vietnam) showed us just some of the many difficulties he want through which lead him to become the nasty person he is. But none of that is an excuse. In the end, Kreese is always the ultimate bad guy of the Karate Kid story... It's fine if you disagree, but that's my opinion.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for your great comment!

    • @Joelikesmoviesnstuff
      @Joelikesmoviesnstuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KenCole My pleasure! Thank you for making such a great video.

  • @chachiarcola3208
    @chachiarcola3208 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bobby was the real karate kid.

  • @vcg4543
    @vcg4543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I guess Boby could do more harm if he decides to do so. But we hope to see him help Jhonny to get back his own dojo. Maybe a fight against Mike Barnes and Terry silver that would be great to see

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Heck yeah, that'd be awesome.

    • @Adeycoola
      @Adeycoola ปีที่แล้ว

      We got both in Season 5

  • @ezanamelekot940
    @ezanamelekot940 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kresse stated that Johnny wasn't in a good mental state when he was fighting with Daniel because Daniel was dating with his exgirlfriend in plus I also heard that in 1983 Johnny won all the fight 3-0 scores.

  • @saulramirezkb5855
    @saulramirezkb5855 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think Bobby could have beaten Johnny, i dont know if he could have beat daniel. One other thing you forgot to mention is, in cobra kai season 3 johnny goes into bobbys church and bobby takes johnny down with a lightning fast round house sweep.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great moment in S3, I talk about it briefly at 7:54

    • @saulramirezkb5855
      @saulramirezkb5855 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KenCole i was so mad when bobby wasnt on season 4. One 9f my favorite characters

    • @ezanamelekot940
      @ezanamelekot940 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't forget that Johnny was drunken on that time in plus he wasn't ready.

  • @Brian-lm3lw
    @Brian-lm3lw ปีที่แล้ว

    BOBBY had heart he got sandbagged

  • @hectorbarbossa4403
    @hectorbarbossa4403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Honestly i hope Bobby is in CK S5
    in 84 he was definitly close to Johnny in Skill but nowadays i dont think he really trains activly while Johnny is activly training and getting into fights so i would say, but he is still pretty good because of muscle memory
    in 84
    Johnny>=Bobby>Daniel
    now
    Johnny>=Daniel>Bobby

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very interesting! I could definitely see that.

    • @masonwright7700
      @masonwright7700 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      johnny is not better than daniel

    • @hectorbarbossa4403
      @hectorbarbossa4403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@masonwright7700 Johnny is better for sure

  • @mig50cc
    @mig50cc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Everyone arguing who's the best fighter: Silver, Johnny, Daniel, Chozen, Barnes, Kreese, etc.
    Bobby stomps all and Kreese and Johnny know it!

  • @CharlieZuko
    @CharlieZuko ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy is probably a lawyer on his day job

  • @artsite2609
    @artsite2609 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PLEASE MAKE A TIER LIST 0F ALL C0BRA KAI SERIES FIGHTERS

  • @shockdiesel3470
    @shockdiesel3470 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Honestly I say Tommy is old mind had dementia and Confused the semi-finals with the final match of the 83 tournament

  • @kevlark3184
    @kevlark3184 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bobby did 1 shot Johnny with decades out of practice

  • @chachiarcola3208
    @chachiarcola3208 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In real life, at the time of the Karate Kid filming Ron Thomas was already a legit martial artist. He would likely have been able to take any of the cobra Kais, and easily destroy Daniel

  • @shaddouida3447
    @shaddouida3447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cobra kai Season 5 Director's Cut
    Cobra kai Season 6 Director's Cut
    Cobra kai Season 7 Director's Cut
    Cobra kai Season 8 Director's Cut

  • @rotzie8834
    @rotzie8834 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think Tommy doesn’t remember with his illness

  • @franciscoramirezespanagarc7974
    @franciscoramirezespanagarc7974 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This comment has nothing to do with today’s video. During the sudden death between Eli and Robbie, I noticed a few things: first the referee just shrugged when Robbie took his Gi off, then a kick by Eli to Robbie’s face and then a kick to Robbies stomach. In both cases the referee said “no points” but I believe at least one of them should have counted as a point. Then a kick to Robbies stomach right before Eli scored the victory point. It’s quite obvious that the referee was bribed but Robbie was unable to score the winning point. I’d very much like to hear your comments.

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's a great observation. Stryfe the warrior and I talked about the dynamics of that tournament in this video: th-cam.com/video/_0E55kQI99I/w-d-xo.html though we didn't talk about the Robby/Hawk fight. Will need to take a look at that!

    • @franciscoramirezespanagarc7974
      @franciscoramirezespanagarc7974 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KenCole I watched but thought that my comment has a better chance to get to you if I posted it in your most recent video. Around minute 11:00 Stryfe says that the referee didn’t bias the Eli/Robby match in Robby’s favor because Robby didn’t need it. I think he did award legitimate points to Eli but Robby was unable to score the victory point.

  • @pinoyjay
    @pinoyjay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Anything is possible

  • @starwarrior1238
    @starwarrior1238 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Announcer in KK3: AND THE FIRST TO EVER WIN TWO YEARS IN A ROW THE GRAND CHAMPION DANIEL LARUSSO! Johnny: so we just gonna forget bout me?

  • @joaoeyer8157
    @joaoeyer8157 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude, Daniel is the protagonist lol.

  • @youngloux
    @youngloux 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The way Johnny fights in the tournament against Bobby he used more skill and he is a lot quicker and Daniel probably didn’t move because the thought the ref would get involved if it was an illegal kick and thought this won’t count and he dropped his defence’s

  • @grudgematch6653
    @grudgematch6653 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Bobby can’t beat Johnny and I think it’s fairly obvious. Johnny pretty much beats Bobby in every single catagory.

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      How he can't

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      How Bobby can't beat Johnny

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      Why you think that bro

    • @ezanamelekot940
      @ezanamelekot940 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@phillip-olivia Because if he could've beat or defeat Johnny then why he didn't won in the previous years tournament?

    • @phillip-olivia
      @phillip-olivia ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ezanamelekot940 right

  • @francoaguirre5237
    @francoaguirre5237 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bobby the 🐐

  • @Brian-lm3lw
    @Brian-lm3lw ปีที่แล้ว

    bobby did a thigh kick but this is a movie!

  • @mortalgames8570
    @mortalgames8570 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yonny perdio contra daniel porque yonny no estaba consentrado por lo de ali por lo que khrees le dijo a bobby

  • @michaeltabor9596
    @michaeltabor9596 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In real life Bobby is a sensi & a 4th degree black belt

  • @BenjiTheBoss
    @BenjiTheBoss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah Johnny bet Tommy when he was in the semifinals

  • @pablotano
    @pablotano 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Johnny in his prime was the best fighter period!

    • @masonwright7700
      @masonwright7700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      johnny is in his prime now.

    • @thejay3804
      @thejay3804 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nah "Karate's bad boy" Mike Barnes was the best fighter of them all, because he's fought in tournament on a national level and Mike Barnes was a national champion 🏆 Johnny only fought in local tournaments and lost to an injured Daniel who had little to no tournament fighting experience at that point.

  • @eileenmclaughlin985
    @eileenmclaughlin985 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I. Think. It. Was a tie sort of. I recon🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

  • @cameronstreet9315
    @cameronstreet9315 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He is the chozen one

  • @awabbelghith2885
    @awabbelghith2885 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Johnny beat Bobby in the tournament 83 a lot of Poeple missed this if you look for the video where kreese told Bobby to put Daniel out of commission in the background the announcer announced Bobby as last years runner up

  • @johnspangler5189
    @johnspangler5189 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's great what you do ken .you the man. You know a lot. Kresse was a bad dude. But still think. Bobby brown was the best. I grew up a John fan .when I watch your videos .I watched and. Seen them all fight . Darrell the doll .actually won them all .but not in the movie .but. 83 .84 was Bobby .all day . Much respect ken .

    • @KenCole
      @KenCole  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you 🙏

    • @johnspangler5189
      @johnspangler5189 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello Ken . I asked you earlier if you knew if any of the characters at all did taekwondo??? I took a few months I really want to go back I was just wondering so if you could get back to me that would be great thank you.john john