[Lelit Bianca V3] Unboxing & New Feature Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- A quick review of the new features in Lelit’s brand new Bianca V3 and if it is a worthwhile upgrade from V2.
Update: After more extensive testing, the optimized warm up time is more incremental than my initial tests. On average my machine is ready to brew and steam in ~14.5 minutes. On brew only mode (no steam), the machine is ready to brew ~12 minutes.
Chapters
00:00 Unboxing
00:14 Introduction
01:07 Faster heat-up
02:16 Electronic low flow mode
04:43 Low flow menu description
06:12 Low flow sample shot
07:09 Intra-shot temperature adjustment
08:18 Stand-by mode
08:47 Final thoughts
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Update: After more extensive testing, the optimized warm up time is more incremental than my initial tests. On average my machine is ready to brew and steam in ~14.5 minutes. On brew only mode (no steam), the machine is ready to brew ~12 minutes.
Did you test, when does the group head, reach the ideal temperature for brewing espresso ? Is it around 30-35 minutes ?
thanks the info boss
I've had the V2 for a couple of years now, but I don't think the V3 features are worth upgrading for just yet. Thanks for the clear run through of the new version!
i was going back and forth about V2 or V3 but at the end i go with V2 and didn't regret it. in my country the difference between V2 and V3 around $400, which is a lot and i put that extra $400 to buy 65mm flat burr, eureka oro mignon for $700. in my opinion, just get the V2 and better grinder 😉
clearest and to the point video….. best one thus far 🙌🙌
Very good video. Comprehensive and efficient summary. Thank you.
Thanks for your information 👍
thanks for references boss, i will try your flow profilling and pre infussion method hehehe
Clear and on point video, thank you.
Subscribing.
Clear explanation. Thanks.
Thanks for this video and explaination.
Wow, My best friend, Thank you for your hard work in making the video. I enjoyed the good video. Have a happy day.
I like your mirror. It matches the machine well
Thanks! It's walnut just like the Bianca wood accents. I picked it up at a local shop near my home, but there are several options on Etsy that are basically the same.
I think the electronic flow profiling is great for people who co-use the machine with a less enthusiastic person. My girlfriend can pull a shot on a dialed in machine but that's about it. She is not interested in using a flow paddle and that's fine. If I set up the machine with a certain profile however, I do all the work for her and allow her to make great espresso without having to dive into it as a hobby, while the machine still allows me to geek out with maximum control over brew parameters.
Great video! You have excellent presentation skills
Thank you! Cheers!
Great video! Super clear presentation of the new V3 features. Subscribing.
Awesome, thank you!
Great video. can you please do a video that compares the V3 low flow automation PLUS a manual version of doing it via the paddle, and compare the differences in result? thank you.
Yes, I plan on testing if the sudden step function change from low flow to high flow and vice versa changes the taste compared to the more gradual curve when changing manually using the paddle. I am guessing the difference will be subtle.
Hi Warren, helpful and interesting video - Hadn’t realised they had brought out a new version until I saw this. Now it may actually be just like you said and the result of differences in the terminology used to describe features between different manufacturers, but on other machines that have Temperature Off-Set the feature is a means by which you can increase or decrease the water temperature reaching the E61 Group compared to the temperature measured at the boiler (rather than varying the temperature during the shot). So say you live in a particularly cold climate or in the winter, then it is possible the set temperature (measured in the boiler) results in slightly colder water reaching/coming out of the group - so the Off-Set feature enables you to compensate. However once set this is an always on adjustment, rather than altering the temperature mid way through the shot. That said I haven’t read the Lelit website, so their version of Temperature Off-Set may be totally different i.e. like you described. Would be interested to hear your thoughts if it is different to how it’s done on other machines though 👍
What you describe is a separate setting on Bianca in the advanced LCC settings, i.e. the difference between the temperature in the boiler and at the grouphead. The new temperature offset feature I describe is confirmed by Lelit to be intended to vary the temperature mid-brew. How well that actually works in reality is something I have been testing but have not had enough time to complete as I have been traveling and unfortunately away from my Bianca. Based on initial testing, however, I will say it is not likely to be a game-changing feature as I speculated in the video.
Hi! Good video, thanks. Just wanted to mention that there should be more changes, also physical. For example, I understand that the steam and hot water wand bases should be extending further out from the machine, reducing clanking the wands into the stainless front plate. I have Bianca V2 and that is a welcome change. Also I wonder if the V3 has internal changes to relay controlling the rotary pump, like solid state relay to aide in the automatic pressure profiling... That seems the simplest way compared to real VFD if they can handle motor inductivity and would also mean the pump starts quietly without a relay clang. With a baby in the house, this again a would constitute a welcome change.
Hi Karl, the steam and hot water base extension actually was a "minor" update that occurred some time in May/June 2021 and was still considered V2. You can see 1st-Line's videos on that for further discussion. V3 does have new software to control the automatic pressure profiling, but the way it controls it from a hardware level is not through motor inductivity at the pump but rather from a new solenoid valve that shifts in between the low flow and high flow modes. When shifting from high flow to low flow there is a slight noise, but it is very quiet and unless you are right next to the machine is pretty much indistinguishable from the overall pump sound. The overall pump noise itself to my knowledge has not changed at all compared to V2.
Hi. May I kindly ask if the cute mirror is part of the packaging? Thanks!
Would you recommend it against Profitec 600 (Vibratory pump+Flow control added) as both same price in here?
Great and clear introduction for showing up these new fueatures. For low flow function is amazing and most interested to me, what pump pressure during low flow mode?
I heard there's a sound of switching from pump, quite curious on how does it work of the function, thanks.
Pump pressure in low flow mode is about 4-5 bar, vs. 9-10 bar in high flow mode. Based on my understanding, there is a new solenoid valve that actually switches between the two flow modes when combined with the new software in the LCC.
@@warrenszen1291 Thanks for your info. I agree with you that there's solenoid valve for swithcing mode probably. The function should be worked by software and hardware upgrade. Look forward for you further videos.
Isn't 4 bars too high for preinfusion? La-marzocco sticks with 3 bars
Thanks so much for the video! Excited about the V3 Bianca! I am curious, are there any other modifications made to the outside of the machine? When considering the V2, a lot of people say the edges are sharp and not well machined -- and the steam wands can scratch the facing. Were these things addressed in the V3? I appreciate the video :)
The steam and water valves are longer on the V3 so no more scratching apparently. I'm still trying to decide on Bianca v3 vs ECM Syncronika. I just love the valves and build on the ECM but prefer features of Bianca.
As of around May 2021, V2 also introduced the longer steam and water valves, so there is no difference between V3 and V2 on the exterior. The steam wands will not scratch the facing on either. I have never had a V2, but based on my understanding there is no significant change in the machining between V2 and V3. There are some sharp-ish edges that I do think could stand to be rounded. However, the fit and finish is tight so I really have to go looking for those edges and dig my fingers into them to feel it. I wouldn't worry at all about cutting yourself on either V2 or V3.
@@MM0SDK hi which one did you end up getting? I’m thinking of getting a Bianca but knowing the price is about Aud$1000 / Usd$700 different in many other countries just make me feel like buying something that is over priced.
ECM on the other hand is very big in size and I will eventually need to buy a bottomless portafilter and it cost more. I like ECM joystick and it’s solid build.
Thanks Warren for that video! Tell me, I see there is a mirror on your Bianca that allows you to watch the coffee flow. Did it come with the Bianca? If not, where did you get it? It looks like a simple but very useful piece of equipment.
Want to know aswell!
Which is the length of the diameter of the circular mirror please?
Thanks for great detail video. Can you please review steam pressure and how long does it take to steam?
Will certainly add that to my list. Steaming in my experience is quick and as you would expect from a dual boiler. I haven't timed it, but I'd guesstimate 20 seconds for 150ml of milk.
Great vid very informative 👍, so the low flow on time set includes the pre infusion time. Does the paddle overwrite the pre and low flow settings settings or to use the paddle do you need to switch these settings off ? Thanks
My guess is that you have to turn off the low flow settings.
Hi Warren, thx for uploading the video. I can hardly find any information about the V3 elsewhere. Do you know if it is possible to upgrade from V2 to V3 if I already have V2?
I was told by my distributor it is possible, but will require the new LCC box and solenoid valve, and possibly some other minor bits. Depending how handy you are, may be best left to your Lelit authorized dealer/technician to do.
The difference between the V2 and V3 machine Is the difference big?
Awesome and thanks for sharing (y)
Hi again Warren - Forgot to ask: can you confirm if the Version 3 came with the brew boiler factory set to 9 bar or if (like many complained of on earlier versions) you had to manually adjust it down to 9 bar using the adjustment screw? Would be interesting to know if Lelit have been listening to this customer feedback and implemented this change
Factory OPV pressure remains at 10-10.5 bar and you will need to adjust it down if you prefer it lower. It's not difficult to change, but personally I have felt no need to because of the flow control paddle. I have found that when I open my FC valve to the 3 o'clock position (i.e. not quite fully open) I reach 9 bar of pressure at the group head, which to me is a nice, comfortable position to anchor to. I suspect Lelit also wanted to give owners a little head room so that you could increase flow for a faster shot in the instances where you grind just a little too fine and need a little extra pressure. In any case, I have emailed Lelit in the past and their customer service has always been prompt and excellent, so I have no doubt they take customer feedback seriously. I have seen other owners talk about the OPV pressure in the past, but as for me, the factory setting is a feature and not a bug, and my guess is there was serious thought already put in by Lelit into making it so.
Exactly, I feel the same way. At first I thought it was strange to be factory set to 10 bar but it is very natural to place the paddle at 3 o clock which is about 9 bar.
Thank you I was looking for a video on whats changed on the v3. One question unrelated, do you have a source where you bought the mirror?
You can find similar mirrors on Etsy.
What version does your LCC say when you first cut it on?
Thanks for the vid!
Just checked, it says version 7.00
Really! Stunning. Really?
Have you found out how long does it take for the group head temp to stablise? I am a little skepitcal about the 12 minutes?
In my later testing, I have found that it takes about 14.5 minutes to heat up for both brew and steam, and 12 minutes for brew only. The group head temperature, which I have tested separately using an external sensor, is actually fully heated and stabilized within that time frame as well. I have another video planned addressing that but unfortunately I have been traveling for work recently and have not had much time to edit content.
Hi, I entered the same parameters as you mentioned in the video I hear that the pump is running correctly I guess but the flow control nanometer is showing 0 the whole shot duration. the nanometer shows pressure only when the paddle is fully open since the begging of the shot (no flow control actibvated just normal shot). do you think there is a problem with my flow control nanometer or I should do an adjustment to make it function? I received this machine only 2 weeks ago.
thank you in advance!
Same, but it worked after a few shots
Great video! Where can I buy the new V3 version? I'm in Seattle, thanks!
Lelit's main US distributor is 1st-Line, so I'd give them a call and ask them when they expect to have it in stock.
Clive Coffee in Portland just opened preorders!
hi, your explanation is so accurate and clean thanks a lot, i bought the v2 last night for 2400$ and found there is v3 released ealry this year, do you think its worth to cancel my v2 order and wait for v3 reaching my country?
I'm sorry to say that only you can decide that. The new features are helpful for some, but not necessary for others. V3 automates a part of the workflow but a V2 can get the exact same results, just with more manual work through the flow control paddle. However, if it will drive you crazy to not have the latest version, then you may wish to wait, especially in Europe where it seems like V3 is rolling out presently.
@@warrenszen1291 thanks a lot! appreciated!
I dont know how the V3 will be priced in your country but in my country it would cost around 500 bucks on top and i think the new features arent worth it. My dad bought the V2 at the end of the last year and the machine has everything you can wish for and its phenomenal. I'm thinking of getting a Bianca for myself aswell and i would buy the V2.
@@kannibal8850 update! just got the message from the distributor today and they will have v3 in stock next week, i had to pay 260$ more to get the v3 but i’m happy with it!
@@a130078949 r u in USA? Not seeing many carriers now, would like to see where you wanna buy it from
does the low flow mode changes any pump pressure during the shot? or just manipulate flow of water?
I am not too sure, but if I had to guess it restricts the flow of water via the new solenoid valve.
Hey Warren, great video! I heard that the V3 comes with stock ims baskets and/or shower screen. Would you mind confirming/denying that for me?
Yo dude, you work for the CIA? Would you neither confirm or deny that?
I can confirm that it comes with 3 stock IMS baskets (same as V2), but it does not come with IMS shower screen.
Does the LCC feel acceptable to use? To me it just seems really cluncky and I'd want a few more buttons (or even a bluetooth functionality)
It's definitely clunky and probably the biggest thing they need to improve, but for the most part once you get the settings how you like it you don't need to change it much afterward.
The LCC is easy enough to use without having to open up the manual every time. Also, once you dial it in to the way you like it you would never touch it again and just watch the shot clock reach 25 seconds.
Thanks for the video. Is it possible to upgrade my v2 to v3 via software?
Not possible to upgrade with software only, it will require a new LCC hardware unit and an upgraded solenoid valve.
Great video. Where did u get the flow mirror?
Thanks! I got the mirror locally, but if you check Etsy there are several that are basically almost identical.
Does the package say it is V3 ?
lelit bianca or ecm synchronika ??????????
Thanks for the great review. I have a v1 Lelit Bianca, which I upgraded to v2 with an upgrade to the controller.
Can it be upgraded to v3 with another controller upgrade? I cannot see any significant external modifications but am unsure about internal dynamics. Thanks
You need to upgrade a few things to achieve V3, the main ones are the new LCC controller and a 4 way solenoid valve. I don't know the exact details, it would be best to ask your retailer for if it is possible.
Is it possible to upgrade to V3 from V2 by upgrading the LCC?
I believe it is possible to upgrade but it's not as simple as only changing out the LCC. You will also need to upgrade at least one solenoid valve as well, and possibly some other small parts. You will have to contact your dealer for more details.
Is there anyway to program it to turn on by itself in the morning?
Not through the machine itself, but the way I do it is through a smart plug I have programmed to turn on in the morning before I wake up and turn off in the afternoon. I use a WeMo and it works well.
ive been torn about profitec pro 600, 700 and bianca. im probably gonna pull the trigger on this one. thanks man.... or should i? :'( :'D
i bought it! the lelit bianca! thanks!
You will not regret it! I also debated between the Bianca and the 700 and I have been very pleased with my Bianca. Was cheaper, has more features out of the box, and no issues with build quality.
@@warrenszen1291 thanks again dude!
@@Papercleeep Same Dilemma here. They sell the Pro 600 (Vibratory pump moded with Flow control) same price as Bianca. I am likely to opt for Bianca but still collecting more info. Let me know if you have any thoughts after 2 months?! and I hope you enjoy it
@@hussainmahmoud7881 yeah, they're sellin me the pro 600 and pro 700 too with the flow control, but i still opt for lelit bianca v3. im actually sold on features like low flow mode, sleep mode, eco mode and standby mode on the v3. also i read that (in some forums) the pressure profiling on bianca is better than those on profitecs. good luck!
40ml shot thats a very big shot !
I love the mirror from where did u geat it?
I got it at a local store near my home, but you can find very similar ones on Etsy.
where did you get that mirror, looks awesome!
Thanks! I got mine locally, but if you check Etsy there are several that are basically almost identical.
gotta say, what a joke interface, is this 2005? clearly not worth buying this machine, the electronic interaction of this machine is already so dated, awkward and clumsy, yet the hardware is built to last twenty years??
Yes, the LCD panel is the worst part of this machine.
@@jwb1227 touchy. There is nothing snide in our comments. Just factual observations. Check out the san Remo You as an example of where things will be heading in the future as innovation in the commercial sector trickles down to the domestic market. Long over due
@@jwb1227 and yes fully agree the decent machine is a ridiculous technically deterministic solution with no flair for design, beauty or user experience.
Your comment is irrelevant and bitter. I just expressed my opinion. Better, more visible readings on interface would be an advantage because many people hasn't got eyes as sharp as yours.
@@jwb1227 indeed I agree these machines are a lot of money. The San remo you and cube are both domestic machines, and are priced accordingly. The slayer is a work of art, stunning piece of industrial design. But 14k$ to make coffee at home is a huge investment and like you, not one I’m able or prepared to do. Cost is the reason why I want to make sure the purchase of any machine should be a long term investment. To last at least a decade. This industry is at an interesting intersection I think. I was initially taken by the idea of 61 group head. But I know I wouldn’t buy a car, tv or typewriter that uses design innovations from the early 60s. So decided to keep searching. If you watch some of the videos on commercial machines it’s very Clear the new sensors and tech they have represent a dramatic improvement. The SR You is first domestic machine I’ve seen that pulls that into the home machine. It’s still damn expensive though. And hence want to see more info etc before considering buying. If it’s still not worth the extra expense I might stay completely analogue.