Orochi was always funny to me in the sense. He’s supposed to be a fast, light armored assassin, yet is in full samurai armor. He would be quite tanky in reality. Of course that weapon holds him back massively.
i'd have to disagree on the Shaolin ruling for the staff's deadliness. the main point of a combat-ready bow staff is to deal with an opponent using a helmet
Yeah, him adding the detail that the Shaolin being someone who wouldn’t murder was a bit stupid Just because they wouldn’t want to murder doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be willing to
Because poseidon is the god of the ocean? And fish live in the ocean? He's the one you would pray to have good fishing trip or have a safe travel across the sea. I know this is like 8 months ago... but still.
@@laserlights9684 Well if you high up in drugs adrenaline nop you wouldn't even feel a thing trust me. Just by getting drunk you feel less to the point of sometimes getting numbness imagine adding drugs...
Just wanna say you can do more than just Slash with a dane axe, such as hooking someone’s leg, jabbing someone in the face with with the butt or tip of the handle, stab someone with the tip of the axe after tripping them with the hook of the axe, etc. Very versatile weapon probably 3rd most versatile beaten slightly by poleaxe and longsword. Then again thinking of it now default raider dane axe doesn’t really have the pointed tip like some historical ones.
I wanna take a second to appreciate how raven makes his commentary, I really do feel like I’m having a random late night fh convo when I listen to your videos. Super cool way of making videos and something that’s kind of extinct these days. I appreciate your work and really do enjoy watching all of your content. Very well done
You even misspelled that! You put the ‘ in the place of the letter you’re taking out So for would not you take out the O and get Wouldn’t, for do not you also take out the O and get Don’t Just like how I expect someone to say I shouldn’t be such a grammar police
The main issue I see when comparing Nuxia to Nobu is that Nobus default set doesn't have only wood shoulder guards, the coat she wears looks like a gambasson of sorts, and it is way thicker than the leather Nuxia wears
Your honest thoughts on Jormungandr being barefoot? I feel that would be a big deal especially on the battlefield where you can be stepping on anything.
You're absolutely right, and I probably should have mentioned that in the video. I suppose they could argue that Jorm's feet are calloused, but even that's not a great excuse.
Hey man, I’m a law abiding Warden simply trying to help out, and if I’m in trouble I expect a Lawbringer to fight whoever’s attacking me and win They fought the law and they law won
I disagree with what you said about the buckler. The buckler was used as a counter tool, and was meant to be used more offensively then a normal shield. While you *could* punch with the buckler, it's not it's primary use though, I'd argue. You'd parry with it, and deflect attacks to create openings. Oddly enough, the bucklers that Glad uses are all made of woods, and bucklers historically were completely metal. So, considering this, I think your placement of Glad is appropriate though. For Aramusha, I'd say he should be lower. For one, he's dual wielding katanas. Since they're both katana's, they are the same length, meaning that you kinda *can't* present both weapons to your opponent. Not only because you're holding weapons meant for two-handed use with one hand, but because they're of equivalent length, meaning that there is a chance both the blades could get caught on each other. This is mostly the reason why people dueled with Rapiers and Daggers usually instead of two rapiers. (Also you'd have more control over a dagger than a second rapier, and wouldn't get as tired out.)
So just because the shaolin's religion is gonna make him passive during battle and fights? I don't think so their are two different kinds of monks The shaolin warrior monk and a shaolin monk one practices martial arts and one practices Buddhism the shaolin in for honor is a warrior monk I dont think they will hesitate 😉
@Jeremy Seely killing is against their beliefs but I believe that they are willing to do it if the need comes like defending their temple from bandits or defending people
Yeah, I think the no killing point is dumb, and the character is really using a weighted quarterstaff so it isn't like it's not a deadly weapon either.
That point wasn’t a very good point to make for Shaolin because you’re right, they’re probably very willing to kill if their life depended on it, AND THEY’RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR, ON A BATTLEFIELD, but the lack of armour alone puts him low tier, not to mention the staff is a decent weapon, but not as good as many of the other weapons used in game
Meanwhile Japanese Buddhism actually produced warriors who literally give the regional warlords a run for their money. I guess different sects and their alternative interpretations of the Buddha's teachings produces different groups.
Shaolin is more based on Son Wukong that's why he has the weighted staff also Shaolin in past went to war they werent always the people we see nowadays I know this is only based off default but I purposely make my berserker wear the chainmail and berserker historically weren't the druggies dual wielding they were an elite corp of vikings who had the best gear and probably were the only ones who wore fur over their armor cause their entire power they had was intimidation they would start the fight by biting their shields and roaring like bears to get the adrenaline pumping which is a naturally produced pain killer and in most cases this would work as a fear tactic and to boost the morale of the vikings think of it like as if you're in the military and then the most elite corp started to reinforce you
I would’ve loved to see a list that uses For Honor context instead of the usual armor, weapon, or their historical context. Like would a shinobi in for honor typically beat a shaman? This would be heavily dependent on lore which I would love to know more about.
My predictions: Number 1 would have to be lawbro, come on, the dude is an almost 2 meter-tall hunk of steel with a pole-axe, no one can run from the law. Number 2 will be the warmonger, because it is the one of the only other heros that has full steel plate armour by defult, and big sword = more damage. Number 3 will be the centurion, again, he has full plate armour, but, his weapon is very short and would be better used with a shield, but still, full plate armour has to give him number 3
I think 3 will be warden he has a longer weapon than cent and is more armored overall a muscle curass or musculata i think that's how its spelled is outdated compared to the time period warden would come from irl
Just a thing, as a HEMA practitioner and user of 'sword and buckler' I think you are severely underestimating the buckler here, as in 'it's just a punching weapon'. It is different from the usual concept of protective shield that we have and it is used differently. Not necessarily disagreeing in the big picture, but still.
I'm a HEMA practitioner too, I've seen a buckler in action. Granted, my specialty is the longsword, but my point about it here is that it doesn't provide necessary defense. Gladiator already is coming into the battle with minimal armor and his buckler does not compensate enough for that to give him effective protection against the weapons of most other For Honor warriors.
@@RavenKnightYT mmmm fair fair. I did say I didn't necessarily disagree in the big picture, and what you have said is what I meant. Agreed. On what I was saying about the buckler I was thinking about I:33, on how it uses the sword and shield in conjuction, I think it's the most versatile, granting control over the enemy sword and using the buckler to its full protective potential in my opinion. I'm not a usual sw/bck practitioner though, so don't mind me too much, I do mostly longsword too. It's true that the buckler is too small to use as protection on its own, even more against thrusting weapons. Cool to see another HEMA guy talking good stuff. Nice vid by the way, didn't say. Been watching your other stuff.
I practically solo a black prior. Also skallagrim shares how Vikings like raider is going into battle with a misconception on how they aren’t actually necessarily fighting topless Norway is rather cold and I am positive being bundled up with heavy furs and warm clothes would serve anyone better than being topless
I will say this, lack of armor alone is enough to make shaolin bottom tier. But willingness to kill atleast in game is shown and staffs used right can be deadly, especially with weighted ends like shaolin has, atleast compared to shaman. Same with zerker since drugs don't stop concussions.
I totally agree that shinobi in this game is just a Naruto cosplayer but saying that the historical figure wasn't a warrior is a little bit incorrect and I know you take to heart being the more accurate possible in your videos so I'm point it out. That said I understand that mistake can be made and talking about shinobi would be a video on it's own.
Thanks for your input, but I have to disagree there. I've done plenty of research on the shinobi and have already made three videos almost exclusively dedicated to the historical shinobi. I am afraid that the historical shinobi is more of a spy than he is a warrior.
@@RavenKnightYT Sorry if I'm always obnoxious about shinobis. I was simply pointing that in the video you had a poor choice of words. Saying that shinobi weren't warriors it's incorrect because they still were samurais.
@SDI.Official I wondered that too, a Shinobi or ninja at it's worse is only a spy that doesn't know how to fight. They could also assassinate and despite that not being their main job, it shows that they have some sort of fighting skill.
I feel like it’s unfair to say that shoalin are only pacifists. There were moments in history several in fact that they were in many wars. They were taught to kill and made for war. There were also times in peace but same with war. Some shoalin say that shoalin means war so they are not all peaceful, some will kill for the intention of leading their people and protecting them. The shoalin in for honor I feel like is a incarnation of a war type shoalin. You can see the way that he fights and how weird his armor is. Shoalins armor would be more clean and neat if it was a pacifist I believe but the shoalin in for honor is more torn and more revealing of skin. Shoalin mental state is probably a sign of war as well so that is why I think that it is unfair to say that the shoalin are only pacifists because there were different time periods of peace and war
I'm not an expert but, I think the trident is an underrated weapon. Considering a spear is one of if not the most effective medieval melee weapon; a trident is a 3 pronged version, making it harder to avoid & doing potentially 3 times more damage per strike. Also it could disarm or pin down most weapons if u catch their weapon between the prongs
A fair point, and I think I may I have undercut the trident a little, but from my perspective, I’m afraid the trident has a glaring weakness. The center prong is going to get the maximum amount of force behind it because it is directly in front of the shaft from where all the power is coming from. The two side prongs will not have all the direct force behind it. For that reason, when thrusting into a target, the two side prongs will not have the same amount of energy behind them and thus will actually prevent the trident from going as deep as it potentially could. Also, the three prongs make it harder to pull out of the enemy once embedded, and that can leave them exposed.
I personally don't agree with the argument for putting Orochi above JJ for your reasons, sure "if he works into JJs guard he will deal devastating damage ", but thats such a specific circumstance, what if "the JJ keeps him out of the guard with his reach", orochis wooden armour isn't saving him from that. Plus aside from the lack of helmet, JJs armour seems alot better, with metal pieces not wooden, and again the reach of the guan dao. And I think its a disservice to not mention the JJs impied agility seen in game with sifu, dodges ect.
id put shaolin higher IF he has training beyond what we see in the game, the quarterstaff i remember seeing a lot of stuff saying they were used a bunch
@@lennymccracken586 So I've been thinking about your comment and this matter. I am very convinced that what he wields are katanas. I didn't understood what you meant with variation of a wakizashi so I would really appreciate if you cleared that up.
@@Hadras7094 they're not katanas, I was saying a "variation" because they are not the exact model of a wakizashi or a katana but due to a wakizashi being one handed and shorter I consider it that. If you're still unconvinced you can maybe look at a side by side of aramusha and orochi. You'll see that there's a difference in blade length. Btw if I seemed a bit salty in the other comment I'm sorry for that, I might have come across a bit offensive.
I kinda feel like shinobi would beat shaolin cos like shinobi does have some leather armour which could probably stop an arrow while shaolin's cloth stuff would not stop anything that leather couldn't so like while shinobi would be pretty useless at least he might actually get to the battlefield
You’re not That hammar is just…ugh A weapon like that is deadly sure, but with the Jorm being lightly armoured and the Dane Axe having a little more range, it’s likely the Raider would take the Jorm’s head off before the Jorm could even do anything
I think I would have put zerk just above aramusha. Just because these lower heros don't wear armor not every one one the battlefield would be that stupid and the axe is better at over coming plate armor than Katana.
I’m pretty sure the shaolin argument is incorrect there we Shaolin warrior monks who would go to war if the emperor ordered it or if they needed to defend their temple so they wouldn’t hesitate to kill
Even if we remove the pacifist argument, they are still coming into battle with a stick. A staff. And the reason the staff was the weapon of the shaolin was because of its non lethal nature. Monks who went to war often carried bladed weapons to kill. This monk is using a nearly nonlethal weapon. I'm keeping him where he is.
I agree with almost everything expect jorm being so high up. hammar is a cool fantasy weapon but no way is he equipped to fight a pk or a nuxia. I just can't imagine in my head a bare chested dude with a hammer managing to even touch nobushi without getting stabbed multiple times
If your high on mushrooms everything feels more. Unless there high on meth then their feeling every blow. But it does increase your senses by a lot. It like turning up the contrast & FOV irl so I could see how it could boost performance but if people think they were tripping on the battlefield it probably unlikely. Anyone who has taken mushrooms will probably agree. (Vikings)
That’s because shrooms are a psychedelic drug, they’re meant to induce hallucinations so I’d expect them to not be able to decrease pain Also, completely unrelated, my mom is absolutely against me drinking, but is down for me smoking weed and taking shrooms
A warrior can have all the conviction they wamt, if you don't have shows, all one has to do is fight in mildly rocky terrain and you are done, even if you win the fight, your army won;t be able to march for weeks. Enough time for an enemy to regroup. Plus, wihtout boots, you are not giving chase anytime soon.
I have training katana and duel wielding is painful but fuck you the straw hat looks badass Fun fact the hitokiri were a group of rogue executioners in japan
The Straw Hat may look cool, but so does the Sentinel helmet on the Warden, I’d still rather wear the Lederic since it does more to protect me The Straw Hat looks cool, but function over form my guy
I can imagine a real life Hitokiri attempting to swing the Masakari axe, completely missing and just having a goofy cartoon fear face as battle axe makes contact with her face
You can’t say the Shaolin of For Honor is a pacifist because what about the warrior monks of the Shaolin temple in China which the monk in for honor seems to be based off of because him wielding the most iconic Shaolin weapon, the staff and the name? Some of the warrior monks don’t care about the spiritual aspect of Shaolin culture, all they want is to train in kung fu and martial arts.
….So the literal Shaolin Buddhist monks rejected the teachings of Buddhism…which teaches to honor life and avoid killing. Okay…then why carry a staff? A specifically non lethal weapon that the monks carried BECAUSE it was less likely to kill? If the monks had to go to war, they would bring bladed weapons. But monks who trained at the temple did more than learn martial arts; they learned the spiritual aspects of Buddhism too…that’s why it’s a monastery and not just a dojo.
@@RavenKnightYT I’ve also heard from a lot of people that the Shaolin Temple was at war several times throughout history Taking mentality and religion into account doesn’t feel like a big aspect, once you’re in war, you either fight to kill or you die, and I feel even a pacifist who wouldn’t hurt a fly would still put that aside for the sake of survival Religion increasing their deadliness like with Jormungandr would make sense, but decreasing seems unlikely
Ugh KENSEI HAUNTS MY NIGHTMARES OROCHI RUINS MY DAYS Nobushi is actually not too bad for me, nor is Shugoki HITOKIRI INFURIATES ME SHINOBI MAKES ME WANNA DIE ARAMUSHA JUST HAS ME BEGGING FOR THE PAIN TO END KYOSHIN MAKES ME WANNA KILL SOMEONE It’s just pain
I’m ashamed to admit that my first game with Orochi that’s all I did and I still got the most kills It’s the reason I main Warden, I actually feel like I’ve done something, I’ve outsmarted players, but when I play Orochi I just feel like I’m ruining it for everyone
like i’m not hating your facts are pretty interesting but your saying it like this is in real life because the more you play one character it’s gonna be an insane character
I disagree with the Shaolin monk for one The Shaolin monk has fought in Wars and we're very very deadly they just do not put that in their history I have talked to a guy that spent three years with them that learned a lot of their history yes they are peaceful but when it comes to war they don't hesitate and they will kill you before you can even blink The Shaolin Monks have two different types of martial art the martial arts that they let people see and then the martial arts that they don't let people see and the one that they don't let people see is the war side that they have not forgotten and still study and practice behind closed doors
The Shaolin part is BS. There are normal shaolin monks, but also warrior monks- usually not religious, eats meat, drinks alcohol and has been involved in war actually. Not saying they are the best, but not a pacifist for sure.
Yes. Peacekeeper is better armored and her dual weapons are specifically designed to be a dual weapon combo. Aramusha does not wear any armor and his dual katana combo is not designed to work as a combo.
You clearly don't know much about Shaolin monks and more specifically Warrior Monks. During the waring times in China they would most definitely fight to kill. They aren't Aang from ATLA. Edit : deleted "don't mean to be disrespectful", cause I really don't care actually.
1.) Well you may not have meant to be…but you were disrespectful. Not cool dude. 2.) You are correct that warrior monks did kill in battle in certain engagements. In fact I made a video not long ago bringing up a few of them, so I’ll grant that the passivity is not necessarily a factor. 3.) But even we remove passivity, the reality is that his weapon and lack of armor STILL leave him on the low tier territory. Even historical warrior monks probably wanted more lethal weapons that a staff for battle, and there is historical evidence of better bladed weapons used by monks in war. 4.) When did I bring up Aang from ATLA? You’re trying to make me sound dumb here, when all you had to say was “these Shaolin are not based on the modern day Shaolin monks who are more pacifist in nature,” which is a very true and fair criticism. I was thinking more in line with the modern Shaolin teachings, which I studied in my college course on religions. That was my error. 5.) “No disrespect meant” is just code for “prepare to be disrespected.” You were not wrong, and you could have simply pointed out that one point about the warrior monks. I would have agreed with you. There was no need to insult me.
@@RavenKnightYT First off, I'm just saying warrior monks did kill, and it didn't bother them one bit. There is a massive difference between scholar monks and warrior monks. For more info on that I recommend searching up Ranton on YT, I'm not arguing with your tier placement of them, I don't even play any of the Wu Lin, I'm a Warlord/BP main. Second, where did I insult you ? My comment was blunt, yeah, but I can't see an insult anywhere. I stand by what I said. And the Aang part was meant to be funny. Not my fault you're super soft
All the Shinobi mains ( myself included ) just collectively nodded our heads in agreement to shinobi's unfortunate fate.
We will rise again
They need to bring back quad dash
All six of you?
@@johnathandang9099 well I guess you did and idk what to say about it
@@johnathandang9099 You already did and it made him overtuned again so enjoy
Orochi was always funny to me in the sense. He’s supposed to be a fast, light armored assassin, yet is in full samurai armor. He would be quite tanky in reality. Of course that weapon holds him back massively.
It’s ironic that he’s labeled an assassin character as he’s the most armored assassin and technically would be the strongest of the assassin class.
Wood armor
@@magicman3163 and yet it would still be better than just leather
i'd have to disagree on the Shaolin ruling for the staff's deadliness. the main point of a combat-ready bow staff is to deal with an opponent using a helmet
Just a small thing: The Shaolin temple did go to war more than once in history
Yeah, him adding the detail that the Shaolin being someone who wouldn’t murder was a bit stupid
Just because they wouldn’t want to murder doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be willing to
The trident is literally a fishing spear, that why it was Poseidon's symbol.
Because poseidon is the god of the ocean? And fish live in the ocean? He's the one you would pray to have good fishing trip or have a safe travel across the sea.
I know this is like 8 months ago... but still.
That makes sense.
Which is exactly why it’s a stupid weapon
You miss vital organs and get your trident stuck? Have fun dying
I’m finally gonna put aside the bs of berserkers hyper armor cause in real life they really wouldn’t feel it either lmao
Still hurt tho. Just like the game.
Adrenaline is a helluva drug
Then again, physics still apply
@@laserlights9684 Well if you high up in drugs adrenaline nop you wouldn't even feel a thing trust me. Just by getting drunk you feel less to the point of sometimes getting numbness imagine adding drugs...
@@AlejandroPerez-jt9ws your gonna fell a sword going through you chest even if your high
@@laserlights9684 yeah but if u cutthem enough they're gonna go down pretty quick irl, while in game hey just keep going for like 20 more attacks
Just wanna say you can do more than just Slash with a dane axe, such as hooking someone’s leg, jabbing someone in the face with with the butt or tip of the handle, stab someone with the tip of the axe after tripping them with the hook of the axe, etc. Very versatile weapon probably 3rd most versatile beaten slightly by poleaxe and longsword. Then again thinking of it now default raider dane axe doesn’t really have the pointed tip like some historical ones.
I wanna take a second to appreciate how raven makes his commentary, I really do feel like I’m having a random late night fh convo when I listen to your videos. Super cool way of making videos and something that’s kind of extinct these days. I appreciate your work and really do enjoy watching all of your content. Very well done
25:49 I fixed a typo in your sentence here it is
"I don't like the fact that it's made of wood, in reality it wood'nt be."
Dayum that be nice
You even misspelled that!
You put the ‘ in the place of the letter you’re taking out
So for would not you take out the O and get Wouldn’t, for do not you also take out the O and get Don’t
Just like how I expect someone to say I shouldn’t be such a grammar police
I'm gonna Guess that It is lawbringer
When your correct
Halberds have the reach, slashing, bludgeoning, and piercing capabilities. Plus the man is in some thick ass armor
@@Huskypie poleaxe
@@johnnyboy949 he has both depending on which set you equip
@@judio232 fair enough
The main issue I see when comparing Nuxia to Nobu is that Nobus default set doesn't have only wood shoulder guards, the coat she wears looks like a gambasson of sorts, and it is way thicker than the leather Nuxia wears
Your honest thoughts on Jormungandr being barefoot? I feel that would be a big deal especially on the battlefield where you can be stepping on anything.
You're absolutely right, and I probably should have mentioned that in the video. I suppose they could argue that Jorm's feet are calloused, but even that's not a great excuse.
As a lawbringer main… if I find teammates in danger I come in rushing with no matter cost.
Hey man, I’m a law abiding Warden simply trying to help out, and if I’m in trouble I expect a Lawbringer to fight whoever’s attacking me and win
They fought the law and they law won
I disagree with what you said about the buckler. The buckler was used as a counter tool, and was meant to be used more offensively then a normal shield. While you *could* punch with the buckler, it's not it's primary use though, I'd argue. You'd parry with it, and deflect attacks to create openings.
Oddly enough, the bucklers that Glad uses are all made of woods, and bucklers historically were completely metal. So, considering this, I think your placement of Glad is appropriate though.
For Aramusha, I'd say he should be lower. For one, he's dual wielding katanas. Since they're both katana's, they are the same length, meaning that you kinda *can't* present both weapons to your opponent. Not only because you're holding weapons meant for two-handed use with one hand, but because they're of equivalent length, meaning that there is a chance both the blades could get caught on each other. This is mostly the reason why people dueled with Rapiers and Daggers usually instead of two rapiers. (Also you'd have more control over a dagger than a second rapier, and wouldn't get as tired out.)
I noted the fact that he talked about the style of a katana and a wakizashi and then looked at Musha and I have to agree he should ranked lower
So just because the shaolin's religion is gonna make him passive during battle and fights? I don't think so their are two different kinds of monks The shaolin warrior monk and a shaolin monk one practices martial arts and one practices Buddhism the shaolin in for honor is a warrior monk I dont think they will hesitate 😉
@Jeremy Seely killing is against their beliefs but I believe that they are willing to do it if the need comes like defending their temple from bandits or defending people
Monk is monk
Yeah, I think the no killing point is dumb, and the character is really using a weighted quarterstaff so it isn't like it's not a deadly weapon either.
That point wasn’t a very good point to make for Shaolin because you’re right, they’re probably very willing to kill if their life depended on it, AND THEY’RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR, ON A BATTLEFIELD, but the lack of armour alone puts him low tier, not to mention the staff is a decent weapon, but not as good as many of the other weapons used in game
Meanwhile Japanese Buddhism actually produced warriors who literally give the regional warlords a run for their money. I guess different sects and their alternative interpretations of the Buddha's teachings produces different groups.
bro glad just brings a comically large fork to battle, he is the most deadly because the enemy will just die of laughter.
Me, an Aramusha/Shinobi fan: Look how they massacred my boys
As someone who has been hooked by daneaxes many times I have to bitterly disagree with your claim that it can't.
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Shaolin is more based on Son Wukong that's why he has the weighted staff also Shaolin in past went to war they werent always the people we see nowadays
I know this is only based off default but I purposely make my berserker wear the chainmail and berserker historically weren't the druggies dual wielding they were an elite corp of vikings who had the best gear and probably were the only ones who wore fur over their armor cause their entire power they had was intimidation they would start the fight by biting their shields and roaring like bears to get the adrenaline pumping which is a naturally produced pain killer and in most cases this would work as a fear tactic and to boost the morale of the vikings think of it like as if you're in the military and then the most elite corp started to reinforce you
I would’ve loved to see a list that uses For Honor context instead of the usual armor, weapon, or their historical context. Like would a shinobi in for honor typically beat a shaman? This would be heavily dependent on lore which I would love to know more about.
Skallagrim has a video on the uses of the kusarigama
Also you had war-monks and again skallagrim has a video on staffs aswell
My predictions:
Number 1 would have to be lawbro, come on, the dude is an almost 2 meter-tall hunk of steel with a pole-axe, no one can run from the law.
Number 2 will be the warmonger, because it is the one of the only other heros that has full steel plate armour by defult, and big sword = more damage.
Number 3 will be the centurion, again, he has full plate armour, but, his weapon is very short and would be better used with a shield, but still, full plate armour has to give him number 3
I think 3 will be warden he has a longer weapon than cent and is more armored overall a muscle curass or musculata i think that's how its spelled is outdated compared to the time period warden would come from irl
Lawbringer and warden are guaranteed top 5.
Just a thing, as a HEMA practitioner and user of 'sword and buckler' I think you are severely underestimating the buckler here, as in 'it's just a punching weapon'. It is different from the usual concept of protective shield that we have and it is used differently. Not necessarily disagreeing in the big picture, but still.
I'm a HEMA practitioner too, I've seen a buckler in action. Granted, my specialty is the longsword, but my point about it here is that it doesn't provide necessary defense. Gladiator already is coming into the battle with minimal armor and his buckler does not compensate enough for that to give him effective protection against the weapons of most other For Honor warriors.
@@RavenKnightYT mmmm fair fair. I did say I didn't necessarily disagree in the big picture, and what you have said is what I meant. Agreed.
On what I was saying about the buckler I was thinking about I:33, on how it uses the sword and shield in conjuction, I think it's the most versatile, granting control over the enemy sword and using the buckler to its full protective potential in my opinion. I'm not a usual sw/bck practitioner though, so don't mind me too much, I do mostly longsword too. It's true that the buckler is too small to use as protection on its own, even more against thrusting weapons.
Cool to see another HEMA guy talking good stuff. Nice vid by the way, didn't say. Been watching your other stuff.
I practically solo a black prior. Also skallagrim shares how Vikings like raider is going into battle with a misconception on how they aren’t actually necessarily fighting topless Norway is rather cold and I am positive being bundled up with heavy furs and warm clothes would serve anyone better than being topless
"JJ's weapon will take longer to recover from", JJ ingame: Instant recovery cancel shimmy bullshit stance
When it finally clicked in my head that JJ was able to cancel dodge attacks I wanted to cry
I will say this, lack of armor alone is enough to make shaolin bottom tier. But willingness to kill atleast in game is shown and staffs used right can be deadly, especially with weighted ends like shaolin has, atleast compared to shaman. Same with zerker since drugs don't stop concussions.
My thing with Berserker is that you can ignore pain all you want
Doesn’t change the fact that I just hacked off your leg
@@logeyperogi1805 very true.
Before watching this whole video, I think warmonger will be at the top, or at least near the top next to lawbringer, due to their plate armor.
As a hitokiri main, I can attest to the number of times I've been punished for a missed hit or kick.
A missed kick is an instant GB, and if you misread and try to avoid a follow up with a dodge attack…you’re in for a rough time
How about a vid on how good the heroes would be in skirmishes
I totally agree that shinobi in this game is just a Naruto cosplayer but saying that the historical figure wasn't a warrior is a little bit incorrect and I know you take to heart being the more accurate possible in your videos so I'm point it out. That said I understand that mistake can be made and talking about shinobi would be a video on it's own.
Thanks for your input, but I have to disagree there. I've done plenty of research on the shinobi and have already made three videos almost exclusively dedicated to the historical shinobi. I am afraid that the historical shinobi is more of a spy than he is a warrior.
@@RavenKnightYT Sorry if I'm always obnoxious about shinobis.
I was simply pointing that in the video you had a poor choice of words. Saying that shinobi weren't warriors it's incorrect because they still were samurais.
@Chisei God Of Eternal Knowledge! that was my point. I don't know why he didn't say it.
@SDI.Official I wondered that too, a Shinobi or ninja at it's worse is only a spy that doesn't know how to fight. They could also assassinate and despite that not being their main job, it shows that they have some sort of fighting skill.
I thnk shao lin in game wouldnt mind killing cuz he seems to see it as fun i thnk
I feel like it’s unfair to say that shoalin are only pacifists. There were moments in history several in fact that they were in many wars. They were taught to kill and made for war. There were also times in peace but same with war. Some shoalin say that shoalin means war so they are not all peaceful, some will kill for the intention of leading their people and protecting them. The shoalin in for honor I feel like is a incarnation of a war type shoalin. You can see the way that he fights and how weird his armor is. Shoalins armor would be more clean and neat if it was a pacifist I believe but the shoalin in for honor is more torn and more revealing of skin. Shoalin mental state is probably a sign of war as well so that is why I think that it is unfair to say that the shoalin are only pacifists because there were different time periods of peace and war
I'm not an expert but, I think the trident is an underrated weapon. Considering a spear is one of if not the most effective medieval melee weapon; a trident is a 3 pronged version, making it harder to avoid & doing potentially 3 times more damage per strike. Also it could disarm or pin down most weapons if u catch their weapon between the prongs
A fair point, and I think I may I have undercut the trident a little, but from my perspective, I’m afraid the trident has a glaring weakness. The center prong is going to get the maximum amount of force behind it because it is directly in front of the shaft from where all the power is coming from. The two side prongs will not have all the direct force behind it. For that reason, when thrusting into a target, the two side prongs will not have the same amount of energy behind them and thus will actually prevent the trident from going as deep as it potentially could. Also, the three prongs make it harder to pull out of the enemy once embedded, and that can leave them exposed.
@@RavenKnightYT good point
“It’s a nice helmet” that killed me for some reason, thought it was funny, dunno why.
I physically cringed when he said that the katana was a light maneuverable weapon
Oh god I hope your not one of those people that think swords weigh 10 pounds
I’m not THAT stupid
Could you please make a video about the Ronin?
I personally don't agree with the argument for putting Orochi above JJ for your reasons, sure "if he works into JJs guard he will deal devastating damage ", but thats such a specific circumstance, what if "the JJ keeps him out of the guard with his reach", orochis wooden armour isn't saving him from that.
Plus aside from the lack of helmet, JJs armour seems alot better, with metal pieces not wooden, and again the reach of the guan dao.
And I think its a disservice to not mention the JJs impied agility seen in game with sifu, dodges ect.
id put shaolin higher IF he has training beyond what we see in the game, the quarterstaff i remember seeing a lot of stuff saying they were used a bunch
Let's goooo
There are shinobi trained in a duel karma set-up but you are right
Not to complain, but you have a grammar error. Still, great video as always! Curious to see who’s on the top 10!
Just gonna say aramusha doesn't use katanas he has a variation of a wakizashi.
Those are katanas, like orochi's
@@Hadras7094 please do your research again
@@lennymccracken586 Please, explain yourself.
@@lennymccracken586 So I've been thinking about your comment and this matter. I am very convinced that what he wields are katanas. I didn't understood what you meant with variation of a wakizashi so I would really appreciate if you cleared that up.
@@Hadras7094 they're not katanas, I was saying a "variation" because they are not the exact model of a wakizashi or a katana but due to a wakizashi being one handed and shorter I consider it that.
If you're still unconvinced you can maybe look at a side by side of aramusha and orochi.
You'll see that there's a difference in blade length.
Btw if I seemed a bit salty in the other comment I'm sorry for that, I might have come across a bit offensive.
I kinda feel like shinobi would beat shaolin cos like shinobi does have some leather armour which could probably stop an arrow while shaolin's cloth stuff would not stop anything that leather couldn't so like while shinobi would be pretty useless at least he might actually get to the battlefield
I can't be the only one calling bullshit on the raider being less lethal then jormangander
You’re not
That hammar is just…ugh
A weapon like that is deadly sure, but with the Jorm being lightly armoured and the Dane Axe having a little more range, it’s likely the Raider would take the Jorm’s head off before the Jorm could even do anything
@@logeyperogi1805 Yes. And also a Dane axe has way more then a little bit of range.
Did u not consider him being a warrior monk?? All monks weren't peaceful I don't wanna kill people
I think I would have put zerk just above aramusha. Just because these lower heros don't wear armor not every one one the battlefield would be that stupid and the axe is better at over coming plate armor than Katana.
There were different types of gladiators if you whete a thraex you had a shield and a weapon nothing else
corret me if im wrong but samurai did use a lot of bamboo armor (i dont speak english so dont rost me)
They did not. Wood armor was no longer in use by the age of the samurai.
I’m pretty sure the shaolin argument is incorrect there we Shaolin warrior monks who would go to war if the emperor ordered it or if they needed to defend their temple so they wouldn’t hesitate to kill
Even if we remove the pacifist argument, they are still coming into battle with a stick. A staff. And the reason the staff was the weapon of the shaolin was because of its non lethal nature. Monks who went to war often carried bladed weapons to kill. This monk is using a nearly nonlethal weapon. I'm keeping him where he is.
@@RavenKnightYT no everyone agrees that Shaolin still belongs in second last place, just saying to not take pacifism into account
@@logeyperogi1805 then he needs to change weapons
If I have to choose a weapon I’d be using in warfare in the medieval times, I’d go with a sword and shield
The classic
I’d probably do the same, an effective pairing, tale as old as time
We all know it’s tiandi mains have you seen tiandi p.o.v
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I agree with almost everything expect jorm being so high up. hammar is a cool fantasy weapon but no way is he equipped to fight a pk or a nuxia. I just can't imagine in my head a bare chested dude with a hammer managing to even touch nobushi without getting stabbed multiple times
He’d have to throw it just to land a hit that’ll give him enough of an opening to get close
If your high on mushrooms everything feels more. Unless there high on meth then their feeling every blow. But it does increase your senses by a lot. It like turning up the contrast & FOV irl so I could see how it could boost performance but if people think they were tripping on the battlefield it probably unlikely. Anyone who has taken mushrooms will probably agree.
(Vikings)
That’s because shrooms are a psychedelic drug, they’re meant to induce hallucinations so I’d expect them to not be able to decrease pain
Also, completely unrelated, my mom is absolutely against me drinking, but is down for me smoking weed and taking shrooms
A warrior can have all the conviction they wamt, if you don't have shows, all one has to do is fight in mildly rocky terrain and you are done, even if you win the fight, your army won;t be able to march for weeks.
Enough time for an enemy to regroup.
Plus, wihtout boots, you are not giving chase anytime soon.
Is the title supposed to say deadliest?
Nobody else heard all that constant audio mess?
I have training katana and duel wielding is painful but fuck you the straw hat looks badass
Fun fact the hitokiri were a group of rogue executioners in japan
The Straw Hat may look cool, but so does the Sentinel helmet on the Warden, I’d still rather wear the Lederic since it does more to protect me
The Straw Hat looks cool, but function over form my guy
Hito is glass cannon in a real battle
I can imagine a real life Hitokiri attempting to swing the Masakari axe, completely missing and just having a goofy cartoon fear face as battle axe makes contact with her face
You can’t say the Shaolin of For Honor is a pacifist because what about the warrior monks of the Shaolin temple in China which the monk in for honor seems to be based off of because him wielding the most iconic Shaolin weapon, the staff and the name? Some of the warrior monks don’t care about the spiritual aspect of Shaolin culture, all they want is to train in kung fu and martial arts.
….So the literal Shaolin Buddhist monks rejected the teachings of Buddhism…which teaches to honor life and avoid killing. Okay…then why carry a staff? A specifically non lethal weapon that the monks carried BECAUSE it was less likely to kill? If the monks had to go to war, they would bring bladed weapons. But monks who trained at the temple did more than learn martial arts; they learned the spiritual aspects of Buddhism too…that’s why it’s a monastery and not just a dojo.
@@RavenKnightYT I’ve also heard from a lot of people that the Shaolin Temple was at war several times throughout history
Taking mentality and religion into account doesn’t feel like a big aspect, once you’re in war, you either fight to kill or you die, and I feel even a pacifist who wouldn’t hurt a fly would still put that aside for the sake of survival
Religion increasing their deadliness like with Jormungandr would make sense, but decreasing seems unlikely
Aramusha is definitely a duel based combatant
Not good for war
I'd honestly would've put Beserker above Aramusha
I'll take orochi being at the middle of the pack, I wish he was higher, but average will do 🤷♂️
Samaraui because the right bumper exists
Ugh
KENSEI HAUNTS MY NIGHTMARES
OROCHI RUINS MY DAYS
Nobushi is actually not too bad for me, nor is Shugoki
HITOKIRI INFURIATES ME
SHINOBI MAKES ME WANNA DIE
ARAMUSHA JUST HAS ME BEGGING FOR THE PAIN TO END
KYOSHIN MAKES ME WANNA KILL SOMEONE
It’s just pain
Bro did he say orochi the hero that’s only combo is light light light light light light light light
I’m ashamed to admit that my first game with Orochi that’s all I did and I still got the most kills
It’s the reason I main Warden, I actually feel like I’ve done something, I’ve outsmarted players, but when I play Orochi I just feel like I’m ruining it for everyone
I didn't see the vid yet, and I already know lawbringer is gonna be 1st
like i’m not hating your facts are pretty interesting but your saying it like this is in real life because the more you play one character it’s gonna be an insane character
I am saying it like it’s real life because I’m discussing the realism of their weapons and armor and how effective they would be in real life…
If he was gonna look at it from the world these characters come from he would’ve said so
Raven you underestimate a big sticks deadliness. Staffs are actually quite easy to kill people with.
Ngl the ratings were not accurate af
Sure they were. :)
@@RavenKnightYT nah u did my sugar daddy aramusha bad and I cant stand for that, peacekeepers toothpick headass was over the lord and savior😔😠
Shinobis are actually assassins and they have been documented being them
In what documentation?
I disagree with the Shaolin monk for one The Shaolin monk has fought in Wars and we're very very deadly they just do not put that in their history I have talked to a guy that spent three years with them that learned a lot of their history yes they are peaceful but when it comes to war they don't hesitate and they will kill you before you can even blink The Shaolin Monks have two different types of martial art the martial arts that they let people see and then the martial arts that they don't let people see and the one that they don't let people see is the war side that they have not forgotten and still study and practice behind closed doors
You sound like get_flanked lmao 🤣
The Shaolin part is BS. There are normal shaolin monks, but also warrior monks- usually not religious, eats meat, drinks alcohol and has been involved in war actually. Not saying they are the best, but not a pacifist for sure.
Trippin peace keeper over aramusha
Yes. Peacekeeper is better armored and her dual weapons are specifically designed to be a dual weapon combo. Aramusha does not wear any armor and his dual katana combo is not designed to work as a combo.
You clearly don't know much about Shaolin monks and more specifically Warrior Monks. During the waring times in China they would most definitely fight to kill. They aren't Aang from ATLA.
Edit : deleted "don't mean to be disrespectful", cause I really don't care actually.
1.) Well you may not have meant to be…but you were disrespectful. Not cool dude.
2.) You are correct that warrior monks did kill in battle in certain engagements. In fact I made a video not long ago bringing up a few of them, so I’ll grant that the passivity is not necessarily a factor.
3.) But even we remove passivity, the reality is that his weapon and lack of armor STILL leave him on the low tier territory. Even historical warrior monks probably wanted more lethal weapons that a staff for battle, and there is historical evidence of better bladed weapons used by monks in war.
4.) When did I bring up Aang from ATLA? You’re trying to make me sound dumb here, when all you had to say was “these Shaolin are not based on the modern day Shaolin monks who are more pacifist in nature,” which is a very true and fair criticism. I was thinking more in line with the modern Shaolin teachings, which I studied in my college course on religions. That was my error.
5.) “No disrespect meant” is just code for “prepare to be disrespected.” You were not wrong, and you could have simply pointed out that one point about the warrior monks. I would have agreed with you. There was no need to insult me.
@@RavenKnightYT First off, I'm just saying warrior monks did kill, and it didn't bother them one bit. There is a massive difference between scholar monks and warrior monks. For more info on that I recommend searching up Ranton on YT, I'm not arguing with your tier placement of them, I don't even play any of the Wu Lin, I'm a Warlord/BP main. Second, where did I insult you ? My comment was blunt, yeah, but I can't see an insult anywhere. I stand by what I said. And the Aang part was meant to be funny. Not my fault you're super soft
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