Triple Support is an ISSUE in Marvel Rivals

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  • so maybe im crazy and this OW all over again but triple support isnt.... fun
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  • @MakBonez
    @MakBonez 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +78

    I’m telling ya guys, if we get a couple characters in the game that have anti heal, the whole games meta is gonna shift.

    • @limear
      @limear 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      You mean those characters will be pick/ban every game? That's not much better.

    • @notanevilrobot
      @notanevilrobot 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      i disagree. having one character that can invalidate the entire strategist archetype just causes the same issue of one team comp every game

    • @azael9642
      @azael9642 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Can yoy imagine a Ghost Rider with chains that lock on characters and deal damage overtime and applying antihealing as a Vanguard? Is my dream dude

    • @apurreshia7148
      @apurreshia7148 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      hope you never become a dev

    • @MakBonez
      @MakBonez 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@notanevilrobot how about a character that invalidates the entire healer archetype but is also a healer? I introduce you to Ana from Overwatch, she's been in the game since the beginning and has always been strong because of it. I think having anti heal on a healer would be a bad idea for that reason, and putting it on a dps probably wouldn't be the best idea either. But I could definitely see it being on a vanguard. It doesn't even have to cancel out healing, just reduce the amount you receive by a percentage. We have multiple characters with overpowered abilities in the game, I personally don't see an issue with a basic debuff such as this being implemented into a character or two.

  • @Dedbeat
    @Dedbeat 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

    A massive issue with comp games no matter the genre to me is feeling like i need to pick a certain character/weapon to win or even contest, its fucking lame and it totally drains the fun out of the competition itself, seeing everybody pick the same characters/guns/team ups etc its gets hella corny like theres so many characters bro let a mf use his playstyle.

    • @jakobetheanimevtuber4102
      @jakobetheanimevtuber4102 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      you cant really get rid of the meta in competitive games cause the main objective is to win to rank up. has there ever been a game that youre able to play any character you want and still compete with the meta? i cant think of one. theres a ban system which can kinda change the comps of the team

    • @royalnickle
      @royalnickle 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jakobetheanimevtuber4102fortnite🤓
      But in all seriousness, i’ve played a few balanced fighting games where meta wasn’t too relevant(might not recognize the name but undernight in birth are really good)

    • @Dedbeat
      @Dedbeat 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@jakobetheanimevtuber4102 Theres definitely games where the meta is much more strong than others to the point where if you dont pick a specific character you loose, theres other games where the player can make the difference as it should be.

    • @Havokerino
      @Havokerino  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      it does suck but metas will always be there sadly like someone else said. kinda wish there was more variety in the higher ranks but you see similar characters being played because if triple support is the meta i don't really see myself playing ranked this season just not fun id rather just play quickplay

    • @Havokerino
      @Havokerino  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@jakobetheanimevtuber4102 fighting games are the only genre where low tiers can actually win tournaments i think in tekken 7 someone used the worst character and won the biggest tournament. one of the reasons i really like fighting games but they still have their meta too with one character being so dominant that people only play those characters to win

  • @thespectralsoul1480
    @thespectralsoul1480 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    Triple Support is only an issue due to some support ults being immortality areas for the entire team, and currently they *Need* to function as immortality areas because of the DPS ults essentially being AoE Circles of Death, which now brings the question
    Would the devs, and everyone as a community, be willing to tone down the DPS & Support ults?
    If not we're gonna get ourselves into a whole lot of Balancing Issues in the future
    - "X Hero is op pls nerf"
    - "X Hero doesn't have defensive ult pls buff"
    - "X Hero has too much Anti-Heal and makes supports useless, pls nerf"
    - "X Hero has too little Anti-Heal that does nothing, pls buff"
    Because just think about it, Support ults as strong as Luna's are used to counter other Hero ults like Storm, Groot, Strange, Punisher, Wolverine
    And sure for some heroes you can just pop Loki's Healing Totems, that's a *good and healthy* counterplay strategy for the game, but for others you simply can't
    These are simply too strong for their own good, because they force a boring "Ult Trading" gameplay loop that everyone is gonna get sick and tired of in the near future
    Which means one of two things need to happen
    - These stats of these are rebalanced
    - They get completely reworked

    • @ahhhsothisishowyouchangean162
      @ahhhsothisishowyouchangean162 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      But doesn’t that mean that casual fights without ultimates will be much more decisive, and it’s a fight for pressure trying to force support ults for a good offensive ultimate. But cloaks and dagger’s ult charge speed is genuinely ridiculous so that definitely needs an adjustment.

    • @key2shawn154
      @key2shawn154 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ahhhsothisishowyouchangean162cloak and daggers is slower than lunas mantis and invisibility women’s

    • @Voodoo_Occasions
      @Voodoo_Occasions 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@key2shawn154 No. It is faster. It requires more energy to charge, but due to dagger's aoe healing knives it charges way faster. The ability costs only account for passive regen on ult. For example, spiderman requires the least amount of energy to use his ult, but him being a melee fighter that requires their cooldowns to get kills will be doing less consistent damage than Psylocke, so in under most situations he gets ult slower. Usually, regardless of cost, from fastest charge to slowest it goes like: Healers ---> Poke DPS ---> Sniper DPS ----> Tanks ---> Melee DPS. The only dps that can get ult as fast as a healer is Moon Knight.

  • @maxmaximum8714
    @maxmaximum8714 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Triple support is the most boring/miserable comp to play against, nobody wants to have 10 min team fights.

    • @manuelgutierrez9675
      @manuelgutierrez9675 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The worst part of it is whoever caps point on domination first essentially wins because they wont die for the next 10 mins they are basically already at 99% at that point and all it takes is 1 hltimate to win its retarded

  • @newworld123
    @newworld123 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    Had a game yesterday where we absolutely demolished them on attack and once we switched they went 3 support and started to actually win. So i got my friend to switch off strange and we went double dive tank to harrass the backlines. Worked phenomenally, everything has checks and counters never be too stubborn to switch mid match.

    • @Havokerino
      @Havokerino  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Dive seems good against it! Only issue is getting people with the coordination

    • @empty_ellie7538
      @empty_ellie7538 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      must’ve played against me 😢

  • @StayMadLmfao
    @StayMadLmfao 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    Feel like cloak n dagger get their ult every 5 minutes and they never die due to it. You kill the other healers and she stalls with the ult and repeat

    • @ben10in
      @ben10in 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      every 30 seconds *

  • @royalnickle
    @royalnickle 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    The cloak and dagger ult happening so often feels like an oversight considering how strong of an ult it is.
    Idk how much they plan to change because it seems like “supports having pocket invincibility team ultimates” is by design
    And that’s fine, but layering them back to back feels so strong

    • @Havokerino
      @Havokerino  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      i agree i dont think they should lower the healing or anything like that but how frequently they come up is crazy

    • @goober1-m5x
      @goober1-m5x 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Without getting healing ults fast and less heals everyone would just die left and right due to the enemy ults lazer beaming everything. this game is more like playing chess and way more unforgiving and sweaty if u lower heals on ults . Im guessing you just wan a horrible experience all around.People would just run dps that shred thru healer ults.Way to fix the problem and healers would be weak and not in a good spot.The balance for classes are good , at this point I’d lower the ult durations.

  • @evobsm2328
    @evobsm2328 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You know whats even worse then tripple support? Tripple tanks, 1 dps and 2 healers. Holly crap

  • @calebhickman4365
    @calebhickman4365 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    As a thor main this sucks because thor needs a 2nd tank to really shine and usually my team is either trip support or trip DPS with 1 tank forcing me to switch to stange or mag

    • @Voodoo_Occasions
      @Voodoo_Occasions 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thor is one of the best tanks to play in a triple support comp. His Thorforce shields makes him a raid boss in a triple support comp and his damage can pick up the slack of having less dps. You just need to play cover and avoid spamming awakening for chip damage.

  • @lilturbo2657
    @lilturbo2657 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Triple support might as well put your controller down and watch for 30 seconds

  • @strawhatdj2195
    @strawhatdj2195 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    we went from "why is no one playing support" to "stop going triple support" in the span of a month
    this game is cooked beyond compare

    • @ike804
      @ike804 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Its just damage players complaining like always

    • @MythicAce218
      @MythicAce218 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It will be fine just nerf ult buildup

    • @xxcridonxx7614
      @xxcridonxx7614 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ike804you clearly don’t remember goats from OW. This is goats. If dps can’t kill then that role isn’t viable. Healing rn is higher than even the highest of burst damage rn.

  • @MarcusSanchez2525
    @MarcusSanchez2525 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The triple meta comp is pathetic almost every match I do everyone tries to do 3 strategists and my team ends up losing, just because high ranking players can do it doesn’t mean you are skilled enough to make it work!

  • @Dev_D8
    @Dev_D8 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Season 0 was better than season 1 of marvel rivals

    • @xXunknownXx0000
      @xXunknownXx0000 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      3 sup was op in that season too...

    • @Dev_D8
      @Dev_D8 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @xXunknownXx0000 if triple support was op in season 0 then why TF they buff CnD which also should have never happened CnD did not need buffed.

    • @Littleman_bigshorts
      @Littleman_bigshorts 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Dev_D8cause people didn’t know how op ts was. It’s not like she was underperforming last season like wut?

  • @thebearded4427
    @thebearded4427 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think the issue right now is that people play the standard "walk in slowly and fight" comps, instead of going dive, flank burst comps and stuff like that.
    Three dps was a thing in OW too but as peoples skill level rose it was no longer an option. A good change would be more dps damage to punish being out of position more. Tanks can more or less just walk up now without dying.
    Another version might be wolverine, groot, magneto combo. Grab the tank, take him out, repeat. Denies the healers their ult charge and value.

    • @darshio8307
      @darshio8307 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      3 support meta literally denies any type of dive

    • @thebearded4427
      @thebearded4427 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@darshio8307 Yep if you classify uncoordinated random people going in one at a time as "dive" it does. Real dive is when the tank says "I'm going in on ....." and the dps follows up.
      Dive in OW was always crap if you didn't coordinate, but it dominated all ranks if the coordination was decent. Simply a matter of team play.
      It existed and worked well in competitive with randoms in OW so why wouldn't it work in MR?

  • @privatepenguin2496
    @privatepenguin2496 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think a good way to help fix the issue is make some of the ults non cc immune and have them take either longer to get or reduce the duration of there ults.

  • @Darrakkii
    @Darrakkii 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    people are freaking out over a negative, 48% winrate😂

  • @kiroh1859
    @kiroh1859 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    the children yearn for goats

    • @xxcridonxx7614
      @xxcridonxx7614 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nooooo 😭. “I’ve played these games before! I said Ive played these games before!”🗣️

  • @bugra-yildirim
    @bugra-yildirim 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The problem with support is how invincible they are. Fully healing your team is already powerful. BUt healing them for 8 or even freaking 12 second? And on top of that they get their ult so much frster than other characters s it creates an enviroment where 3 support can cycle their ult over and over again without any break. But like you said ı had a game with rocekt where we killed mantis and luna snow all the time with rocket + punisher ult. Idk maybe this is the scarlet witch meta to stop those mfs.

  • @rage_tv4493
    @rage_tv4493 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    if they add a deep mechanical character with an ult that is an anti heal it fixes a the triple support issue. key word ONLY THE ULT IS AN ANTI HEAL. if we get characters where they have super overtuned abilities we will go right to where overwatch is. thing like that should only be used for ultimates.

  • @stan5936
    @stan5936 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Luna’s ult needs a time nerf 12 seconds is too long. C&D ult can be shut down, I had a rough time in plat with her until I learned to fly in the air before activating, need a build up delay.

  • @fidgettx
    @fidgettx 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Luna needs a nerf

  • @Notwedsquid
    @Notwedsquid 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This has gotta be the most boring and miserable mets I’ve played the fact that defensive ults are broken supports have stupid sustain on top of being the broken role i dont want to see anti heal at all its such an unfun mechanic i ulted as strange and one single shield from invisible woman kept a luna alive i also had a magneto with me and she survived its insane i really want to see strategist get nuked on ult charge sustain and healing cause the fact the only big counters to it are magneto moon knight and iron man is dumb but to me it’s miserable its boring nothing dies i wait they use another ult and repeat.

  • @bfm_lilbird5494
    @bfm_lilbird5494 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I saw it almost every game when I was in plat, once I got out of plat I stopped seeing it as much because cnd gets banned a lot for me.

  • @gustavodias3570
    @gustavodias3570 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There’s a lot of counters for supports ults tho, people just don’t know how to counter and cry.
    Punisher can kill Luna out of her ultimate with rocket Z ability, Hawkeye can one shot CND and Luna of her ults, magneto can easily kill CND in her dashes also, storm can force every support ult and then win the fight after.
    People Just need to stop crying and learn how to play, not to mention the dive characters like black panther, Psylocke and Spider who can completely sh*t on the supports.

  • @rifraf1717
    @rifraf1717 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think the major issue with nerfing supports, is it pretty much hinges on duelist (who will only pick namor, spidey, hela, and sometimes punshier/storm) on every composition...anti-heal is something everyone wants BUT they dont really understand how badly that would negatively impact rooster diversity and again still just replace one current problem with another one where everyone picks comps based off those two or three heroes.
    We dont need new heroes, what we need is to amp up everything that is deficient. Give Adam Warlock flight, and crit on his skill cast auto ffs lmfao!
    My bias is I'm a super smash bros melee player...no patches...and the top 6-7 characters have so much player expression...I hope (but I know it isnt a reality) that MR just focuses on giving more powerful shit to everyone without adding new shit....Just make the game deeper.

  • @freddimaus
    @freddimaus 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    God this meta reminds me a bit too much of Overwatch Healers

  • @idkaname7229
    @idkaname7229 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Aye man this popped up on my recommended and I didn't even realize you had 700 subs lol. This a great video man keep it up

    • @Havokerino
      @Havokerino  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Appreciate it a lot!

  • @burgerbonkerqueenmsp9761
    @burgerbonkerqueenmsp9761 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    i mean people are playing triple support because dps chars r cancer rn like bp psylocke, u get oneshot and its "boring and uninteractive"

    • @ike804
      @ike804 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thats what Im saying. The alternative to triple support is having every squishy just being constantly one shot and the game becomes even less interactive. Triple support is a response to the damage charavters just deleting you

  • @L0n3star-D16
    @L0n3star-D16 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wouldn't nerf dps ults, nerf healing dealt by healers, or the healing ults. I think people just need to pick up on dive comps to harass the 3 healers and the devs can add an ability like Ana's nano grenade and nano boost ult. I don't think anything needs to be nerfed into oblivion and we don't need role queue.

    • @key2shawn154
      @key2shawn154 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Healers don’t need no damage nerf you need to do damage for a reason and everyone already knows how to counter five characters

    • @L0n3star-D16
      @L0n3star-D16 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@key2shawn154 Agreed. They can literally just add an Ana clone to directly counter triple healers and people can pick up on dive comps.

  • @Gor342
    @Gor342 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The meta is literally goats from overwatch, they just need to nerf supports and hela and some characters and thats it. Of course buffs some characters as well

  • @baseballfan4877
    @baseballfan4877 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    yeah like you said. Super boring to play against. And 3 defensive ults take away a lot of skill from the game. The defensive ults are just so free that it doesn't even feel like people are playing characters, but are just playing ultimates. I would hate to see an anti heal character though because that forces someone to play that character instead of someone they actually want to play. Things like mag ult and iron man ult are nice to have to counter those "press to win" ults. It feels great countering them because they think they can just press it whenever without fear.

  • @purplesauce827
    @purplesauce827 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    imagine if jhonny storm (the new character coming in 3 weeks) has a burn passive that stops healing/ deals tick or damage, might fix the issue

  • @jonathanburns9947
    @jonathanburns9947 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The most common 3 Support META is C&D, Luna, Loki(because he can copy C&D/Luna and use their ULTS).

    • @kishibelunatik
      @kishibelunatik 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      which is genuinely cancer

  • @Krillmo
    @Krillmo 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They need to add carnage and make him anti heal that would be tits

    • @key2shawn154
      @key2shawn154 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Anti heal wouldn’t not help anything

    • @Krillmo
      @Krillmo 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @key2shawn154 You couldn't be more wrong, assuming that's a typo, and you meant antiheal won't help anything

    • @key2shawn154
      @key2shawn154 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ anti heal really won’t help anything because will cause problems that aren’t needed

  • @YMan-zo5kg
    @YMan-zo5kg 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Triple support is also horrible bc they make up less than 1/4 of the roster so all of a sudden you are required to play the game where half your team comp is relegated to picking between 8 characters. Plus most of the cool characters are tank and dps let’s not pretend like Jeff and Luna are cooler than almost any of the dps.

    • @Havokerino
      @Havokerino  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      i didn't even think about that at all good point!

    • @antistraightmen
      @antistraightmen 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      They are, your opinion isnt objective, Jeff is literally one of the most popular characters so people like him for a reason.

    • @bigzhopel1608
      @bigzhopel1608 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@antistraightmenstill, there is no 'true badass' support in the roster rn. Nothing like idk... Punisher or Winter Soldier

    • @antistraightmen
      @antistraightmen 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ Doesnt matter, cool/badass arent two characteristics that determine the best character

    • @ironmangx-ro8mt
      @ironmangx-ro8mt 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Bro I'm going to be honest your people like you are the reason why triple support even exist. The fact that you guys only play DPS and then complain there's no kills. Of course people can play triple support after that

  • @tiejustin
    @tiejustin 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Ddin't yap long enough to show the servers dying in the second round. 👎

    • @Havokerino
      @Havokerino  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      i forgot that happened after the loss streak yesterday... 😭

  • @al3xiumbeats489
    @al3xiumbeats489 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Support ults are ruining this game honestly, 0 counterplay, 0 antiheal, just wait but if they have luna snow loki and cloak and dagger they are immortal for like 35 seconds. Then they will have everything back up for next fight because they get ult in 60 seconds.

    • @key2shawn154
      @key2shawn154 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      0 counter play when insta kill ults exist bro learn how to play more than one dps

    • @al3xiumbeats489
      @al3xiumbeats489 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@key2shawn154 there is legit just hawkeye one shot ironman ult and magneto ult and they can all be countered really easily...

    • @leessoon
      @leessoon 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@al3xiumbeats489 brodie, triple support has negative winrate. DPS is the key factor to destroying a triple support comp. Play spiderman - venom, magik, BP (sometimes bp is not a good pick if they have a rocket for example), psylocke, anyone that can easily harass and destroy backline. Since they are running 3 supports you have to realize that the enemy team is missing a tank and a dps and you can abuse that. You can let your team 5v6 because the enemy team wont really be bursting your frontline which gives you ample opportunity to just dive backline and destroy them. My highest winrate matches as a DPS main in celestial rank (pc) is against triple supports.

  • @haveyoureadumineko
    @haveyoureadumineko 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very much a Luna snow main but I rly wish the game would introduce some anti heal mechanics for future heroes. Not gonna complain my main is good in the meta rn but admittedly it feels like she can just heal a tank up to full in like a second.

  • @cjplays7727
    @cjplays7727 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just play dives and you won’t have the issue

  • @genghiskhan802
    @genghiskhan802 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lol. Blizzard vs Disney. Sad Times. 😂

  • @Youseeinthisrn
    @Youseeinthisrn 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There needs to be a bleed Mechanic in the Game. Possibly applied by Characters with extreme pierce damage. Hela,Hawkeye,Bucky idk i feel like with the strength of supports rn its time to get creative.

    • @key2shawn154
      @key2shawn154 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hela and Hawkeye and Bucky don’t need no buff at all

  • @hiddenfog180
    @hiddenfog180 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just ban some of the popular healers

  • @luisyagual115
    @luisyagual115 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just have a good magneto

  • @Name..........
    @Name.......... 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I actually don't think 3 strategists is an issue, 3 dos however is.

    • @garrymurphy7181
      @garrymurphy7181 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      i agree to a certain extent, the bigger issue is how 4 of the available supports got OP aoe heals where anything short of a 1 shot wont do anything, loki can copy any of them, adam's ult can be hit or miss and rocket's ult isnt worth much when trading ults with the enemy supports. Kinda sad that strange's E on full charge doesnt give the enemy some anti heal

  • @jayfirpo1332
    @jayfirpo1332 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I agree

  • @Sarah-x2k7d
    @Sarah-x2k7d 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    you are like actually terrible at playing spiderman

    • @Havokerino
      @Havokerino  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I know! I’m still trying to get better at him he’s so fun

  • @newguyiswinning
    @newguyiswinning 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    There is far more damage than healing output in this game. If you are losing to 3 supports, thats a skill issue

    • @Havokerino
      @Havokerino  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yea it can be a skill issue but it’s just not fun to play into