When he said "we're a real people" that hit me so hard, they are trying their best for us, and yet those people still feel its wasn't enough. I just hope holostars get what they deserve, more love and joy that all i want for them...
Thank you for translating this emotional talk! Holostars will always be 12 members in our hearts. And I'm glad Shien spoke up about the 4th gen thing, I can understand the excitement surrounding it, but it does feel sometimes like such commenters are more excited about a future possibility rather than the members here right now. Like he said, we should focus on and recognise the efforts of those who are already here.
I could tell that he was really speaking what has been on his mind for a while now, and I appreciate how honest he was being with us. As a relatively new fan to Holostars, even I notice this weird pressure put on the boys as well as the entitled fan culture. I appreciate everything they have done for us fans, especially with the situation they were put in this last year. It's not easy losing members and it's definitely not any easier to stand out when people are always comparing you to your senpais. In this short time that I have had to get to know the boys, I have come to really love and support them as a group. I hope everyone continues to respect the boys for who they have become and support the decisions they make in the future.
I hope the boys don't feel under too much pressure from being compared to Hololive because we expect the same things their sister branch have done I hope they don't feel any pressure at all from being compared to others or from thoughtless expectations
I definitely understand where boss is coming from, while I get that there is excitement for a 4th gen Or a Holostars EN or ID we should definitely enjoy watching the members that are here now and not focus so much on those that may yet to come.
"We aren't just some pulls on a gacha game" I felt so bad for them losing member wasn't enough now people want more from them without realize how hard thing are for them if you really care go and support them right now... not when they are gone Also i hate those people who fake cried for karma saying thing like "i miss this guy i miss that girl i should suppose them but it too late blah blah" What would you feel when people only care about you when you are gone?
same , they only appeared when Kira graduated and tried to act all wholesome , supportive and sympathetic , when in reality they only did so just to fill their morally correct ego , and never to return again. This is one of the things i dont like about this community.
I understand boss, it hurts but sometimes life it's like this. Good thing to not forget them, they will always be a part of the story of Holostars. Also i don't understand too how people are sometimes, they want more members but they don't give attention to the current ones... Why? It's a good thing nowadays things are better in terms of numbers , but even like that there's a few that don't have a lot of views even in therms of subs too. Another gen would change their dinamic too, and i think it's a risky move now that holostars is in the process of growing... It's a really complicated matter... Not a bad to talk seriously sometimes. Let's enjoy the stars now! All of them work so hard!
Ahh, I really wish the best for Shien and all the Holostars guys. Any amount of hope I have for a new Holostars gen or a Holostars EN in the future is because I want them all to get more exposure through it. I'd never want to move on from these 9.
I agree with what Shien said. I hate people only focusing on debuts as if talents are cheap toys to throw away and change if you get bored. We should give old members a try and be in for the longterm.
spain without s Edit: Shien's really such a genuine good boi *sobs* wholesome mafia boss ;u; (i've only come to watch them recently---now that I'm hooked, I want to see them grow and support them as much as I can.)
For me I do watch all the Holostars, and care about them, but the reason I want a 4th generation isn't because of more guys to fawn over, but because if they get a 4th gen or even an overseas branch it would mean that the 9 members work built a solid enough foundation for the future. When Hololive EN announced the 2nd gen audition I felt so proud of the 1st gen because it's a sign that their work paid off
I might be harsh but when HoloEN Gen 2 audition was announced, from what I saw was that Cover felt like the "testing out of water" was successful and they were comfortable to pursue much further. No intention of dissing HoloEN members, I'm sure they're also working hard as well. But this is what I see from Cover's eyes, which is from business perspective. Holostars is another case. Despite being popular recently, they're still considered low in Japan which is their market. Adding more members might give difference, but the question is "will it be good difference or the other way around, or even nothing?" Make HolostarsEN? They can, of course. But if they have no stronger influence in their own turf then how come they're gonna pursue another market? That might be what Cover thinks of Holostars. Plus 3 members graduated in same year, I'm sure it affects the talents as well. I'd say give them some time to recover and grow this year before making an addition. They're trying their best to build the brand by collabs, memes (yes memes), joining events (or even make their own event) in order to make Holostars name afloat on the market. Right now, it's best for us to support the current member. Their road is still long to become the Stars
A 4th generation is a big risk because although the boys are steadily growing, it isn't enough. Hololive, especially EN, can afford to have new generations due to the success of their predecessors. Frankly speaking, Holostars have to achieve that threshold of domestic popularity. That's what I think Shien meant that they're working really hard. They need an explosion like Hololive, but even before Hololive exploded into popularity, they still struggled for two years (I just fell down this rabbit hole a year ago so I'm not too sure). For now, we have Roberu that can be comparable to Fubuki in terms of how they got recognized globally. We just need to wait and support the boys along the way. Cover needs to address this too but I think they're probably struggling internally. Plus, there's the elephant in the room about gender roles and idol puritans. Honestly, if HoloPro can just go all out with arranging cover collabs, the boys may blow up but I think these are voluntary decisions between members. MatsuRikka, Foxdemon, Astellie and the even Sora visiting Roberu's milestone stream all boosted them up.
@@nitsuji6705 Sorry its Cover's fault also , they arent promoting the boys at all , they make nonstop concerts for the girls , make brand deals for them , Hologra and much much more , and what do the boys get ? *>Nothing* They couldve done small things like : promote them on their official website's front page along with the Hololive members , when they just finished renovating it , make stream programs where Hololive x Holostars members discuss small stuff like HoloComi where Holostars 2nd Gen , FBK and Matsuri interacted , highlight Hololive and Holostars members Songs and Covers together on their Official Channel and more similar stuff. This concerns this community also , what made Hololive famous in the first place is the massive surge of Clips and translated videos , *for every 1 Holostars clip theres like 10 000 Hololive ones* , and thats just daily speaking which is sad.
@@geasstk1334 You negated yourself when you mentioned clippers and translators. I don’t follow them fanatically but I do follow their accounts and the Holostars branch is doing what its intended to do and even the Hololive accounts post for Holostars. If I can remember correctly, Holostars have also held events such as meet and greets and the like. You can’t just randomly throw a concert and hope for an audience because as harsh as reality is, Holostars doesn’t meet the qualification of hosting a profitable concert (plus we are in a pandemic and whatnot and the concerts we get are usually solo or small groups; there’s also the KanaCoco house that functions as the proxy rest house that’s near the studio while Holostars don’t have that luxury). Yes, Cover can do so much more but its not like they are neglecting Holostars. They’re stepping up like that one time Shinove made a liquor collaboration work (the one with Kurand). Obviously there is no one to blame, especially when early Hololive experienced the same thing Holostars is experiencing. Don’t throw around blame and show support. If you really feel like Cover is to blame for the low growth of Holostars then throw in suggestions to them instead of blatantly blaming their underpromotion. Remember, even Hololive has underappreciated members… is that Cover’s fault? The talent’s fault? No, it’s the algorithm, trend, and amount of dedicated clippers/translators that put out free advertisement. As you said, there are more Hololive clip channels than Holostars. I am not discounting the hard work and effort of these talents but, come on, we have to acknowledge the fact that luck plays a big role in this industry even more so now that its being oversaturated by upcoming groups, companies, and indies. Tl;dr Don’t blame Cover for the lack of exposure. Besides their main market is JP and that’s where they are struggling. What can you do when something is more popular than the other? Bring down the more popular one? No, you bid your time and wait for them to explode into popularity while putting in the work and effort at the same time. Proof of effort are the Holostars channel and their new series Wachastars and their own translated clips. Don’t antagonize me, I mean well, but I disagree with the statement that Holostars are neglected when Hololive and Holostars aren’t at equal footing: they debuted in late 2019 while Hololive already has its 3rd Gen (Hololive Fantasy) by that time.
I recently got into hololive and… well I mean TriNero(?). I was really interested in him… so when I searched up his channel and couldn’t find it, i was super upset…
Thanks for translating ❤️ I do agree with Shien, but I hope he also understands that some people want a new Gen also because it allows everyone to interact and show new sides of themselves. Similar to Hololive branch, and not everyone wants new members just to have more people to fawn over. But I understand where he is coming from.
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When he said "we're a real people" that hit me so hard, they are trying their best for us, and yet those people still feel its wasn't enough. I just hope holostars get what they deserve, more love and joy that all i want for them...
Thank you for translating this emotional talk! Holostars will always be 12 members in our hearts. And I'm glad Shien spoke up about the 4th gen thing, I can understand the excitement surrounding it, but it does feel sometimes like such commenters are more excited about a future possibility rather than the members here right now. Like he said, we should focus on and recognise the efforts of those who are already here.
I could tell that he was really speaking what has been on his mind for a while now, and I appreciate how honest he was being with us. As a relatively new fan to Holostars, even I notice this weird pressure put on the boys as well as the entitled fan culture. I appreciate everything they have done for us fans, especially with the situation they were put in this last year. It's not easy losing members and it's definitely not any easier to stand out when people are always comparing you to your senpais. In this short time that I have had to get to know the boys, I have come to really love and support them as a group. I hope everyone continues to respect the boys for who they have become and support the decisions they make in the future.
i literally JUST got into holostars and im sobbing omg i truly wish these boys only success and love
I hope the boys don't feel under too much pressure from being compared to Hololive because we expect the same things their sister branch have done
I hope they don't feel any pressure at all from being compared to others or from thoughtless expectations
I definitely understand where boss is coming from, while I get that there is excitement for a 4th gen Or a Holostars EN or ID we should definitely enjoy watching the members that are here now and not focus so much on those that may yet to come.
Just like there will always be 12 Holostars in our hearts, we will always remember TriNero. 😭
"We aren't just some pulls on a gacha game" I felt so bad for them losing member wasn't enough now people want more from them without realize how hard thing are for them if you really care go and support them right now... not when they are gone
Also i hate those people who fake cried for karma saying thing like "i miss this guy i miss that girl i should suppose them but it too late blah blah" What would you feel when people only care about you when you are gone?
same , they only appeared when Kira graduated and tried to act all wholesome , supportive and sympathetic , when in reality they only did so just to fill their morally correct ego , and never to return again.
This is one of the things i dont like about this community.
Rikka saying 'twelve in our hearts' 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 pain
I understand boss, it hurts but sometimes life it's like this. Good thing to not forget them, they will always be a part of the story of Holostars.
Also i don't understand too how people are sometimes, they want more members but they don't give attention to the current ones... Why? It's a good thing nowadays things are better in terms of numbers , but even like that there's a few that don't have a lot of views even in therms of subs too. Another gen would change their dinamic too, and i think it's a risky move now that holostars is in the process of growing... It's a really complicated matter...
Not a bad to talk seriously sometimes. Let's enjoy the stars now! All of them work so hard!
Well said, Boss.
Thanks for the translation!!
Just wanted to say thank you so much for translating this.
Good luck.
rikka coming into chat to say there were twelve in their hearts 😭
Ahh, I really wish the best for Shien and all the Holostars guys. Any amount of hope I have for a new Holostars gen or a Holostars EN in the future is because I want them all to get more exposure through it. I'd never want to move on from these 9.
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Thanks for the translation 💖✨ BOSSU!! DONT CRYYY.. WE LOVE YOU
I agree with what Shien said. I hate people only focusing on debuts as if talents are cheap toys to throw away and change if you get bored. We should give old members a try and be in for the longterm.
spain without s
Edit: Shien's really such a genuine good boi *sobs* wholesome mafia boss ;u; (i've only come to watch them recently---now that I'm hooked, I want to see them grow and support them as much as I can.)
emoi talk...(T-T) thank you for the translation btw!!
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For me I do watch all the Holostars, and care about them, but the reason I want a 4th generation isn't because of more guys to fawn over, but because if they get a 4th gen or even an overseas branch it would mean that the 9 members work built a solid enough foundation for the future. When Hololive EN announced the 2nd gen audition I felt so proud of the 1st gen because it's a sign that their work paid off
I might be harsh but when HoloEN Gen 2 audition was announced, from what I saw was that Cover felt like the "testing out of water" was successful and they were comfortable to pursue much further. No intention of dissing HoloEN members, I'm sure they're also working hard as well. But this is what I see from Cover's eyes, which is from business perspective.
Holostars is another case. Despite being popular recently, they're still considered low in Japan which is their market. Adding more members might give difference, but the question is "will it be good difference or the other way around, or even nothing?" Make HolostarsEN? They can, of course. But if they have no stronger influence in their own turf then how come they're gonna pursue another market? That might be what Cover thinks of Holostars. Plus 3 members graduated in same year, I'm sure it affects the talents as well.
I'd say give them some time to recover and grow this year before making an addition. They're trying their best to build the brand by collabs, memes (yes memes), joining events (or even make their own event) in order to make Holostars name afloat on the market. Right now, it's best for us to support the current member. Their road is still long to become the Stars
A 4th generation is a big risk because although the boys are steadily growing, it isn't enough. Hololive, especially EN, can afford to have new generations due to the success of their predecessors. Frankly speaking, Holostars have to achieve that threshold of domestic popularity. That's what I think Shien meant that they're working really hard. They need an explosion like Hololive, but even before Hololive exploded into popularity, they still struggled for two years (I just fell down this rabbit hole a year ago so I'm not too sure). For now, we have Roberu that can be comparable to Fubuki in terms of how they got recognized globally. We just need to wait and support the boys along the way. Cover needs to address this too but I think they're probably struggling internally. Plus, there's the elephant in the room about gender roles and idol puritans. Honestly, if HoloPro can just go all out with arranging cover collabs, the boys may blow up but I think these are voluntary decisions between members. MatsuRikka, Foxdemon, Astellie and the even Sora visiting Roberu's milestone stream all boosted them up.
@@nitsuji6705 Sorry its Cover's fault also , they arent promoting the boys at all , they make nonstop concerts for the girls , make brand deals for them , Hologra and much much more , and what do the boys get ?
*>Nothing*
They couldve done small things like : promote them on their official website's front page along with the Hololive members , when they just finished renovating it , make stream programs where Hololive x Holostars members discuss small stuff like HoloComi where Holostars 2nd Gen , FBK and Matsuri interacted , highlight Hololive and Holostars members Songs and Covers together on their Official Channel and more similar stuff.
This concerns this community also , what made Hololive famous in the first place is the massive surge of Clips and translated videos , *for every 1 Holostars clip theres like 10 000 Hololive ones* , and thats just daily speaking which is sad.
@@geasstk1334 You negated yourself when you mentioned clippers and translators. I don’t follow them fanatically but I do follow their accounts and the Holostars branch is doing what its intended to do and even the Hololive accounts post for Holostars. If I can remember correctly, Holostars have also held events such as meet and greets and the like. You can’t just randomly throw a concert and hope for an audience because as harsh as reality is, Holostars doesn’t meet the qualification of hosting a profitable concert (plus we are in a pandemic and whatnot and the concerts we get are usually solo or small groups; there’s also the KanaCoco house that functions as the proxy rest house that’s near the studio while Holostars don’t have that luxury). Yes, Cover can do so much more but its not like they are neglecting Holostars. They’re stepping up like that one time Shinove made a liquor collaboration work (the one with Kurand). Obviously there is no one to blame, especially when early Hololive experienced the same thing Holostars is experiencing. Don’t throw around blame and show support. If you really feel like Cover is to blame for the low growth of Holostars then throw in suggestions to them instead of blatantly blaming their underpromotion. Remember, even Hololive has underappreciated members… is that Cover’s fault? The talent’s fault? No, it’s the algorithm, trend, and amount of dedicated clippers/translators that put out free advertisement. As you said, there are more Hololive clip channels than Holostars. I am not discounting the hard work and effort of these talents but, come on, we have to acknowledge the fact that luck plays a big role in this industry even more so now that its being oversaturated by upcoming groups, companies, and indies.
Tl;dr
Don’t blame Cover for the lack of exposure. Besides their main market is JP and that’s where they are struggling. What can you do when something is more popular than the other? Bring down the more popular one? No, you bid your time and wait for them to explode into popularity while putting in the work and effort at the same time. Proof of effort are the Holostars channel and their new series Wachastars and their own translated clips. Don’t antagonize me, I mean well, but I disagree with the statement that Holostars are neglected when Hololive and Holostars aren’t at equal footing: they debuted in late 2019 while Hololive already has its 3rd Gen (Hololive Fantasy) by that time.
@@nitsuji6705 yeah I don't think the issue is Cover not giving the boys exposure (bc afaik they are doing their best as much as the boys do).
I recently got into hololive and… well I mean TriNero(?). I was really interested in him… so when I searched up his channel and couldn’t find it, i was super upset…
Thanks for translating ❤️
I do agree with Shien, but I hope he also understands that some people want a new Gen also because it allows everyone to interact and show new sides of themselves.
Similar to Hololive branch, and not everyone wants new members just to have more people to fawn over.
But I understand where he is coming from.
Pain