The Colamy Ergonomic did not work for me. After a week of use, it intensified the pain in my lower right back enough that I had to put it aside. It's currently my coat rack. The seat was a little too firm for me, I think that's what caused the extra stress on the bad part of my back. It felt okay when I was seated, but when I stood, my back would yell at me. I tried all the adjustments, plus removing the headrest and arms, so I could sit more freely. Finally, I went back to the Bungee Chair from Container Store. I get some back complaints with that one, but it's much less. By the way, they did a nice bit of staging for this video: On mine, the arm rests never stood still, the slightest nudge would move them front, back, or angling sideways, with no way to lock them in place. All in all, this chair would probably be good for most people, but it turned out to be the wrong chair for my situation.
@@caseyspencer4705 5'8'' and change. FWIW, I ended up getting a Mimoglad chair. The cushion is bigger and a little softer, the arms flip up. I still have to use a back cushion and take breaks, but, so far, it's been a lot better experience than the Colamy.
Debating the colomy atlas as it seems to be the best chair with the most features for the price even over the haworth soji or steelcase amia. Gyro tilt, head rest, moveable seat pan with no gap, and locking tilt. No chair even the $1500 ones seem to have it all, they either dont lock, have a large tailbone gap, or have the worst head rest possible or none at all. The only issue with the atlas is it appears the arms are too forward and some complain the lumbar is too aggressive but i have no issue cutting mine off if thats the case since the aggressive arc in the chair is suitable. Is it possible it hurts your back because its forcing good posture your body isnt use to? Ive heard the adjusting period for your body to sit properly gives some pain then goes away.
In the UK the colamy chair is named the "AONELAS Ergonomic Mesh Office Chair" and is priced a crazy £820 . I think i would of bought this from your review of it but alas the price is way out from the states.
@@leeairth it's now unavailable, I got it prime day, but returning it now because the Mrs wants a lighter chair so going for desktronic sit pro.. The colamy is better imo, just the wrong colour and she's the boss
I'm having a massive issue with chair pricing on Amazon Canada. Example, the Colamy listed here is $770... I know the exchange rate isn't good for us but that's not even close to adding up.
Honestly I'm looking at a deal for the Ticova to be 119 bucks, I don't think anything is going to beat that. These other chairs are basically double or triple that amount, I feel like the cost saving is worth that alone. And based on all your different reviews that is just too good for me to pass up. I was going to wait until black friday before I saw that just now.
Hey, I was looking to find the best chair under 500$ (best value). I brought it down to calamy and eurotech vera. But calamy being half the price as vera, im leaning towards that. I'm 5ft 10 and sit 8+ hrs on the chair in a day. I am currently getting lowerback pain above my butt. Which one do you guys suggest out of both? (Also, i see that in the cheetsheet, the calamy kirin is ranked higher than atlas. But here in the video atlas is said to be best under 500, can you clarify? Btw, thanks for the consistent videos. Helped me a lot.
SiHoo M18 gets the hard no buy recommendation from me. There isn’t really anything going for that chair and the seat is horrible. Plus you can get the exact same chair for cheaper under different brand names on Amazon. -Ryan
@@btodtv hmmm interesting. Right now it can be had for $135.99 off Amazon after coupon and it seems to have a ton of reviews and 4.4 avg rating. I wasn't even considering it, but then I saw a video from "ahnestly" recommending it along with the Clatina Mellet for best budget chair. I've heard that the seat can get better with time after breaking-in. Do you think that's true? Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it. I'm currently looking for a good chair for $300 or less, and trying to pick one out online is challenging! For budget options, I've essentially narrowed it down to those I listed above (i.e. the Clatina, SIHOO M18 or M57, or one of the Colamy chairs that you guys recommended). The Clatina is perhaps the safest bet idk.
How do most of you feel about the Colamy Atlas vs the Secretlab Titan Evo? I have had memory foam products before and am used to the break in period. Thanks.
im 6'2 240 lbs with huge back pain and i need a new chair & looking into buying the colamy would you recommend this chair or a another one ?i seen your video of you saying you had back pain for almost 10 years with a softer cushion and i have the same issues i just need a better chair that can help with long sitting hours & i think the colamy would help
i have huge back pain and need a new gaming chair to use plus i also work in an office for 10 plus hours im 6,2 & 240 lbs would you recommend the colamy chair or another ?
where can i find the colamy atlas chair, it doesent exsist on their website and i cant find it when i search for it do you have a link to their website since the amazon one just says unavaible
I'm a graphic designer, which means I spend countless hours sitting every single day. For about 1.5 years, I used a GTRacing gaming chair that I got from dumpster diving and never once had any issues or any back problems. But I recently graduated this spring, and got some grad money. So in an effort to take my career more serious and improve my overall health, I went ahead and bought the "ergonomic" Colamy Atlas chair. I loved the mesh back rest cause it stopped me from heating up during long sessions and the seat felt so nice. But I'm almost a month into it and I am having some of the worst lower back pain I have ever felt. I simply can't get comfortable in the chair and don't really feel the back support. It's difficult to even use the head rest while staying comfortable. The arm rests feel flimsier than the gaming chair. The head rest feels like it's gonna snap at any minute. I can understand why this chair is good for some people, but it has really only caused me back pain. I was very disappointed and tried my best to like my first "ergonomic" chair. But I will sadly be returning it and starting my search again for a more comfortable chair. In the meantime, I will be using my used gaming chair because it is simply more comfortable.
Would you say the Steelcase Leap V2 is worth the extra $300 from BTOD over the Colamy Atlas? I'm buying two chairs in the next month or so, so I want to make sure I'm getting the right chair. I love that I can send the Leap back to BTOD for service/restoring, but not sure if I'd be willing to spend the money to ship back to BTOD, when/if that day came. Love this channel. Thank you!
I bought ticova for 190euro on amazon but the shipping itswlf was 60euro 130chair is it good if im switchint feom gaming racint style chair? Got lower back pain
@@Haxo1337 thanks but I ended up buying the hbada p5, since I'm not that tall and I wanted a nice seat cushion, although I'm not sure if I'll like the foot rest, and I've seen some people saying it doesn't last that long
I'm trying to find the Colamy chairs on europe market all the price lists I press are 800 pounds or more I want to get them delivered to Romania. Can anyone help me?
I'm looking at four chairs, the Ticova, the Clatina Mellet, and these two Colamy's. Can anyone give advice on which of these are best, and if any of these will fit someone 6'5?
I know the theme is for under $200. But can you guys give me your honest opinion? Im on the fence of buying a Fern or Embody. Im 6'1, 250 pounds. My concern with the fern is that gap that forms behind the seat pan when you pull it out. My Leap V2 i bought from you all has the same problem and it makes sitting in it quite uncomfortable.
I'm 6'3 and 230 lbs. I have the gaming embody and I haven't experienced anything like this. It's the perfect chair for me. It's so comfortable. I can feel the node system or whatever they call it on the seat sometimes but it really doesn't bother me. There doesn't seem to be a gap towards the back of the seat pan at all.
Amin brother! Almost none of thr cheaper chairs in their reviews are available here, only the pricy ones... but to be fair we have also few european brands which are good but do not ship to USA/Canada.
@@Physiker17 True, but I don't trust Amazon reviews since they can just be bought... Any decent chair reviewer that reviews ergonomic chairs available in the EU?
@@Jacodaf I agree with you, after watching their videos I started using "fakespot" when on Amazon. The funniest thing for me is that "Eurotech seating" is apparently not sold in Europe. About a chair reviewer here, I did not find any but will let you know if that changes.
@@Physiker17 That is true, unfortunately ive been having a hard time telling which chairs are actually good because none of these channels, or reddit, ever talks about HÅG, Interstuhl etc.
Gonna be honest, I was someone who hopped on the Ticova bandwagon. I can definitely say that there are better options available, which is why it's refreshing to see chairs like the Colamy grab your guys' attention. Nothing will beat being able to sit in a chair before you buy it, but for a chair with that kind of detail, it looks like a good pick. Great job, guys 👍
The Neuechair is a Secretcrap's attempt at the Okamura Contessa, but it is literally worse in every single way. The Razer Fujin looks nothing more than a typical OEM office chair with their badge put on it. At least the ASUS ROG Destrier is unique.
All of these chairs have a padded seat, which I'm not a fan of. Every chair I've gone through with a padded seat cushion all bottom out after 6-8 months. I spent nearly $500 on an Autonomous Ergo 2 and the cushion bottomed out after 8 months! I tried to get a replacement but they wanted me to send the entire chair instead of just the cushion. What a hassle! No thanks.
This man is getting paid to promote this chair, the lumbar plastic piece is verry uncomfortable. Don't buy this chair if you don't want lower back pain.
That is your experience, but not necessarily the same for everyone. Just like most things in life. I randomly found this chair, like many others on Amazon. Do we get paid? Yes, 3% from the Amazon Affiliate program. Is that why we picked it. No. We picked it because it was the best option out of all of the other chairs we've reviewed. -Greg
The Colamy Ergonomic did not work for me. After a week of use, it intensified the pain in my lower right back enough that I had to put it aside. It's currently my coat rack. The seat was a little too firm for me, I think that's what caused the extra stress on the bad part of my back. It felt okay when I was seated, but when I stood, my back would yell at me. I tried all the adjustments, plus removing the headrest and arms, so I could sit more freely. Finally, I went back to the Bungee Chair from Container Store. I get some back complaints with that one, but it's much less. By the way, they did a nice bit of staging for this video: On mine, the arm rests never stood still, the slightest nudge would move them front, back, or angling sideways, with no way to lock them in place. All in all, this chair would probably be good for most people, but it turned out to be the wrong chair for my situation.
May I ask how tall you are?
@@caseyspencer4705 5'8'' and change. FWIW, I ended up getting a Mimoglad chair. The cushion is bigger and a little softer, the arms flip up. I still have to use a back cushion and take breaks, but, so far, it's been a lot better experience than the Colamy.
Debating the colomy atlas as it seems to be the best chair with the most features for the price even over the haworth soji or steelcase amia. Gyro tilt, head rest, moveable seat pan with no gap, and locking tilt. No chair even the $1500 ones seem to have it all, they either dont lock, have a large tailbone gap, or have the worst head rest possible or none at all. The only issue with the atlas is it appears the arms are too forward and some complain the lumbar is too aggressive but i have no issue cutting mine off if thats the case since the aggressive arc in the chair is suitable. Is it possible it hurts your back because its forcing good posture your body isnt use to? Ive heard the adjusting period for your body to sit properly gives some pain then goes away.
Can you guys make a big and tall chair Recommendation video? Pls
In the UK the colamy chair is named the "AONELAS Ergonomic Mesh Office Chair" and is priced a crazy £820 . I think i would of bought this from your review of it but alas the price is way out from the states.
same here on amazon canada, shame really
I bought it for £309 on Amazon this month
@@benjimc1 still cant see it on there .
@@leeairth it's now unavailable, I got it prime day, but returning it now because the Mrs wants a lighter chair so going for desktronic sit pro..
The colamy is better imo, just the wrong colour and she's the boss
Thanks for always going these videos, it saves so much time and research
Glad you like them! -Greg
Great work guys, keep it up! Can you review Sihoo Doro 100?
What about the Hinomi H1 Classic?
I'm having a massive issue with chair pricing on Amazon Canada. Example, the Colamy listed here is $770... I know the exchange rate isn't good for us but that's not even close to adding up.
yea I have a ticova in my cart right now for $210 and I would pull the trigger on this colamy but its legit $700+ . Sad days
Honestly I'm looking at a deal for the Ticova to be 119 bucks, I don't think anything is going to beat that. These other chairs are basically double or triple that amount, I feel like the cost saving is worth that alone. And based on all your different reviews that is just too good for me to pass up. I was going to wait until black friday before I saw that just now.
Where is this , all Amazon links have it at $299
Yep, I wanted to wait for black friday but saw that as well and I think I'm going to buy it
@@UdoLattek02 right? I couldn't believe it when I saw it. I spent like 30 mins verifying it was the same chair lol
@@CraigFromTheLand Yeah I was actually planning to spend up to 500, but couldn't decide on anything. Anyway, you can't lose at this price.
@snotbubbles3276 It's $119 right now with a $20 coupon. Lightning sale. For that price, I'm grabbing it too
The Ticova is $120 on Amazon right now. Should I get that over the Atlas which is at $260??!!
Picked up ticova for $140. I’m just tired of looking lol
119$ now lol
Same thing I did.
Is it good?
@@anouki5257 it’s superb for the money. Couldnt be happier for 119$
@@Shulcyo In saudi arabia it costs more than 400$ 😂😂 and actually there’s no lots of good options
Hey, I was looking to find the best chair under 500$ (best value). I brought it down to calamy and eurotech vera. But calamy being half the price as vera, im leaning towards that.
I'm 5ft 10 and sit 8+ hrs on the chair in a day. I am currently getting lowerback pain above my butt.
Which one do you guys suggest out of both? (Also, i see that in the cheetsheet, the calamy kirin is ranked higher than atlas. But here in the video atlas is said to be best under 500, can you clarify?
Btw, thanks for the consistent videos. Helped me a lot.
The Colamy is now £850... that went out of the window quickly!
It's definitely not worth that much money.
It's almost as expensive as a Mirra 2!
its £684 atm stil way to expensive
268$ now
Please review the SIHO M18. A great budget chair video would be a showdown between the SIHO M18, Clatina Mellet, and Colamy Atlas!
SiHoo M18 gets the hard no buy recommendation from me. There isn’t really anything going for that chair and the seat is horrible. Plus you can get the exact same chair for cheaper under different brand names on Amazon. -Ryan
@@btodtv hmmm interesting. Right now it can be had for $135.99 off Amazon after coupon and it seems to have a ton of reviews and 4.4 avg rating. I wasn't even considering it, but then I saw a video from "ahnestly" recommending it along with the Clatina Mellet for best budget chair. I've heard that the seat can get better with time after breaking-in. Do you think that's true? Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it. I'm currently looking for a good chair for $300 or less, and trying to pick one out online is challenging! For budget options, I've essentially narrowed it down to those I listed above (i.e. the Clatina, SIHOO M18 or M57, or one of the Colamy chairs that you guys recommended). The Clatina is perhaps the safest bet idk.
@@gLitCheRR44 Did you end up finding a chair?
@btodtv Definitely might not answer but what other brands are there for the sihoo m18 that ship to Mexico?
just bought the ticova for 129.99€(vat/tax included) (10€ coupon) ~ 141,74$. most other chairs arent listed or way more expansive.
it's a good chair ?
How do most of you feel about the Colamy Atlas vs the Secretlab Titan Evo? I have had memory foam products before and am used to the break in period. Thanks.
Any recommendations for a chair around this price point with a footrest? For some reason my wife wants one.
is the colamy better than the clatina mellet executive chair ?
Do you have an opinion about the Flexispot BS8 Pro?
im 6'2 240 lbs with huge back pain and i need a new chair & looking into buying the colamy would you recommend this chair or a another one ?i seen your video of you saying you had back pain for almost 10 years with a softer cushion and i have the same issues i just need a better chair that can help with long sitting hours & i think the colamy would help
Thoughts on the Knead KC02? Also under $300. From former Steelcase designers.
they changed the price for the Colamy atlas to 800 dollars. What a shame...
Ok so I am not alone scratching my head on this one.
it shows 270 USD for me on Amazon right now
No way😭
@Infinitik21 good news for me though, I landed a very good deal on a steelcase leap v2 for 380 cad. Looks and works like new.
What’s the ID on that little digital clock?
Surprised not to find Colamy Atlas in the UK... I thought for a moment that my research was over and I found what I needed
Unfortunately some of these are not even available for sale here in Canada. That sucks.
Hello, could you please make a review to the hinomi H1 pro? It seems to be somewhat popular rn?
Guess they missed the holiday rush....shows not available and nothing on their site about when....bummer
Any chance that you could help us in Europe finding these chairs? I can't find the Colamy anywhere...
i seen your vid BOUT YOU HAVING BACK PAIN for almost 10 years with a soft cushion chair and wanted to know if the colamy can fix my back pain
Why mesh chairs only?
i have huge back pain and need a new gaming chair to use plus i also work in an office for 10 plus hours im 6,2 & 240 lbs would you recommend the colamy chair or another ?
I had Herman Miller Aeron Remastered and my lower back pain is gone! Worth the money!
We wanna know how you think about your chair!
I hope to see a complete review of the Colamy Ergonomic chair. The chair honestly looks like a $700 chair being sold for less than half that.
Meanwhile Amazon Canada has the chair listed for CAD$680 at the cheapest
That's what happens when Canada gives everything else for cheap like healthcare@@aeswere
Thers a bit of hype for the "ThunderX3 Core Loft" chair , im not buying it untill you guys have reviewed it ....
where can i find the colamy atlas chair, it doesent exsist on their website and i cant find it when i search for it do you have a link to their website since the amazon one just says unavaible
I was able to find it on their website. This Amazon link also works for me. amzn.to/3sbViqc. Which country are you in? -Ryan
Funny you titled this Move Over Ticova, but by the end of the video, it still sounds like the Ticova is the better chair :P
I'm a graphic designer, which means I spend countless hours sitting every single day.
For about 1.5 years, I used a GTRacing gaming chair that I got from dumpster diving and never once had any issues or any back problems.
But I recently graduated this spring, and got some grad money. So in an effort to take my career more serious and improve my overall health, I went ahead and bought the "ergonomic" Colamy Atlas chair.
I loved the mesh back rest cause it stopped me from heating up during long sessions and the seat felt so nice. But I'm almost a month into it and I am having some of the worst lower back pain I have ever felt.
I simply can't get comfortable in the chair and don't really feel the back support. It's difficult to even use the head rest while staying comfortable. The arm rests feel flimsier than the gaming chair. The head rest feels like it's gonna snap at any minute.
I can understand why this chair is good for some people, but it has really only caused me back pain. I was very disappointed and tried my best to like my first "ergonomic" chair. But I will sadly be returning it and starting my search again for a more comfortable chair. In the meantime, I will be using my used gaming chair because it is simply more comfortable.
Would you say the Steelcase Leap V2 is worth the extra $300 from BTOD over the Colamy Atlas? I'm buying two chairs in the next month or so, so I want to make sure I'm getting the right chair.
I love that I can send the Leap back to BTOD for service/restoring, but not sure if I'd be willing to spend the money to ship back to BTOD, when/if that day came.
Love this channel. Thank you!
Would also be interested in this, how does it compare to the refurbished offerings?
Leap v2 is the superior chair, unless you have a better way to spend the remaining $300?
How much is the Colami Kirin? It’s sold out rn on Amazon
It’s usually around $200 but I think they may be sunsetting it already. Not sure why. -Ryan
@@btodtv Thanks so much!
I bought ticova for 190euro on amazon but the shipping itswlf was 60euro 130chair is it good if im switchint feom gaming racint style chair? Got lower back pain
Hi I'm asking myself the exact same thing, did you buy it? Was it worth it? How tall are you? I'm 5'5 (165cm)
@@Iamaxelhuerta worth it betterthen overpriced gaming chair and 182 cm i am 84 kg
@@Haxo1337 thanks but I ended up buying the hbada p5, since I'm not that tall and I wanted a nice seat cushion, although I'm not sure if I'll like the foot rest, and I've seen some people saying it doesn't last that long
@@Iamaxelhuerta nice looking good and similiar too how much u payd ?
I'm trying to find the Colamy chairs on europe market all the price lists I press are 800 pounds or more I want to get them delivered to Romania. Can anyone help me?
Please make a video for the Colami Ergonomic chair 😀
I'm looking at four chairs, the Ticova, the Clatina Mellet, and these two Colamy's. Can anyone give advice on which of these are best, and if any of these will fit someone 6'5?
It’s hard to make a decision 😞
Can’t get any of these in the UK 😢
Can you please review the fantech office chairs under 250$ ?
damn, it looks like the colamy isn't available in europe
Shame the Colamy Ergonomic is £840 in the UK... Looks like a winner.
Yeah what a rip off... :(
You can get a Mirra 2 for that price.
I bought it for £309 on amazon
Jus tlike always, I would love to see something that can be found in Europe
I’m just a regular nurse. I don’t have an office job. You guys convinced me to buy the Haworth Fern 😂
It’s an amazing chair 😊 -greg
How is it? I'm between the fern and the embody
Me too! I havnt bought the fern yet, testing it out tomorrow at a local dealer. Be well fellow nurse
It's a great chair, your back will thank you.
can you do a review of sihoo c300 and s300 please
Did you guys see the new hinomi x1 chair? Looks like a winner
eh wanted to get Colamy ATLAS but fee of getting it to EU ;(
I know the theme is for under $200. But can you guys give me your honest opinion? Im on the fence of buying a Fern or Embody. Im 6'1, 250 pounds. My concern with the fern is that gap that forms behind the seat pan when you pull it out. My Leap V2 i bought from you all has the same problem and it makes sitting in it quite uncomfortable.
I'm 6'3 and 230 lbs. I have the gaming embody and I haven't experienced anything like this. It's the perfect chair for me. It's so comfortable. I can feel the node system or whatever they call it on the seat sometimes but it really doesn't bother me. There doesn't seem to be a gap towards the back of the seat pan at all.
Ticova has headrest while most of the chair here do not, which automatically disqualifies them
Amazon Canada prices are out to lunch.
i got the tricova for 120 british pounds its coming tommorow hopefully worth the price
how is it?
Please give us europeans also a chance :) Can’t find Colamy Ergonomic anywhere
incredibly frustrating that its so hard to find things in europe. Feels like we live in the stone age over here sometimes
Amin brother! Almost none of thr cheaper chairs in their reviews are available here, only the pricy ones... but to be fair we have also few european brands which are good but do not ship to USA/Canada.
@@Physiker17 True, but I don't trust Amazon reviews since they can just be bought... Any decent chair reviewer that reviews ergonomic chairs available in the EU?
@@Jacodaf I agree with you, after watching their videos I started using "fakespot" when on Amazon. The funniest thing for me is that "Eurotech seating" is apparently not sold in Europe. About a chair reviewer here, I did not find any but will let you know if that changes.
@@Physiker17 That is true, unfortunately ive been having a hard time telling which chairs are actually good because none of these channels, or reddit, ever talks about HÅG, Interstuhl etc.
Colamy Ergonomic chair is £683 in the UK not cheap
Apparently, this chair costs £840 in the UK, which is a total ripoff.
It's a shame the price varies so drastically across different regions.
Yea, I would pay that much for it. But I could see it still being worth it for around $500. -Ryan
Wish the Colamy Atlas is available in the Philippines T_T
Colamy is so expensive in Australia :/
Ticova is absolute Grabgae. After 3 days of use Mesh started seperating from the back rest
Feels bad. Just bought a Ticova last week lol.
It is still the best for the sub $150 price -Greg
Has anyone ever told you that you look like a young Robert De Niro from the side?
Im actually sitting in a hag Sofia and hate it
Gonna be honest, I was someone who hopped on the Ticova bandwagon. I can definitely say that there are better options available, which is why it's refreshing to see chairs like the Colamy grab your guys' attention. Nothing will beat being able to sit in a chair before you buy it, but for a chair with that kind of detail, it looks like a good pick. Great job, guys 👍
Tough to beat the Ticova at $119-$139 -Greg
@@btodtv That's true. It still beats any other chair near that price
@@btodtv I paid 160 with tax, and my brother paid around 130 with tax.
Secretlab neue vs razer fujin
The Ticova and Atlas are better options that both the Neue and Fujin, imo. -Ryan
The Neuechair is a Secretcrap's attempt at the Okamura Contessa, but it is literally worse in every single way.
The Razer Fujin looks nothing more than a typical OEM office chair with their badge put on it.
At least the ASUS ROG Destrier is unique.
Sorry video unwatchable due volume of sound.
All of these chairs have a padded seat, which I'm not a fan of. Every chair I've gone through with a padded seat cushion all bottom out after 6-8 months. I spent nearly $500 on an Autonomous Ergo 2 and the cushion bottomed out after 8 months! I tried to get a replacement but they wanted me to send the entire chair instead of just the cushion. What a hassle! No thanks.
but these chairs are NOT under 300$
We are based in the USA and they are all under $300 -Greg
okok thx for the quick reply. Im from canada and i saw the Colamy ATLAS at 840$ in canada wich is a crazy price difference.
That's just trudeau screwing you over@@UberEverywhereSKRT
Damn it I just brought Tickova but it was only 139 pounds so hey ho
You won’t find anything better at that price, we’ve looked a lot more than most -Greg
This man is getting paid to promote this chair, the lumbar plastic piece is verry uncomfortable. Don't buy this chair if you don't want lower back pain.
That is your experience, but not necessarily the same for everyone. Just like most things in life. I randomly found this chair, like many others on Amazon. Do we get paid? Yes, 3% from the Amazon Affiliate program. Is that why we picked it. No. We picked it because it was the best option out of all of the other chairs we've reviewed.
-Greg