The Yamato's Beehive Shells
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- An overview of a The Yamato's Massive Anti-Aircraft Beehive Shells
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Movies featured (In order of appearance):
Yamato 2005
The Great War of Archimedes 2019
The Pacific 2010
High School Fleet: The Movie 2020
Battlestations Pacific (Video Game)
In This Corner of the World 2016
Kantai Collection (Series)
In This Corner of the World 2016
World of Warships (Video Game)
Absolutely devastated that they didn't shoot actual bees at aircraft.
Or smaller battleships that shot bees when they barked at you
Thought for sure it was literally bee hives shoved in an artillery shell.... I'm also crushed my dude
Good news is that at least America developed real bat bombs. We literally made bombs that deployed bats with suicide vests.
@@elliottpeterson5021 Not just suicide vests, incendiary suicide vests! It was pretty horrific
Seriously. I thought it was some sort of anti-personnel shell fired on land-based targets. Cue Nikolas Cage, "No, not the bees! Not the bees!!!!"
When I heard the bit about the Yamato having 150 AA guns I thought there's no way it could've had that many... but apparently it had even more than that. Wikipedia cites a book that has it at 162 AA guns after refitting in 1944.
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...Imagine trying to calculate the weight of all that lead and powder.
To take the weight of a bullet, then multiply that per barrel, per gun, per station, to take all those AA turrets at once,
then calculate how much metal could be projected on the simultaneous pull of the trigger on the word Fire.
And just the Anti Aircraft.
Imagine how much tonnage it would have lost in half a minute just in the weight of AA fire.
It's a *very* large ship with a lot of space on it. And majority of these 150+ guns were single or triple Type 96 20mms, wich aren't that big ( or effective :P ).
@@ComissarYarrick Obviously, and the ship was as damned as it's cause, regardless.
But still,
162 25mm cannons, all firing at once.
The combined tonnage of all those shells in the air at once in one combined pull of the trigger.
How long would it have taken both belligerents from any battle of the first world war to even match that one second?
Just the anti-aircraft guns.
@@83j049733rfe4 25mm was totally outclassed in 1944 - 45. It needed a "bigger brother" like the US 40,, Bofors, the British 2 pounder "pop-pom", the German 37mm or the Soviet 57mm. The 25mm was manually aimed, and had a limited magazine capacity. By the time a gunner could engage and get on target he was out of ammo or the US plane had already dropped its bomb. Losing 10 $50,000.00 airplanes against destroying a super battleship seems to be one of the more financially effective battles in the Pacific.
@@Perfusionist01 Yamato was as damned without air support as Bismarck and no amount of excess would have saved a representative of an evil state melting down every last nail or scrap of metal it could, sticking 200 88mm flak cannons on it wouldn't have saved it, but I'm not talking about that,
I'm talking about the theoretical firing of 162 25mm shells all at once and how much they would all weigh and how much the yamato weighed just in AA ammunition and how much weight it lost in just AA ammunition and how much 162 25mm shells would weigh, the theoretical mass you would have if you could clump it all together.
How many cars, or infantry rifles, or steel ingots you could make whatever with, that all of those 25mm shells represented, once fired and in the air?
Because that's hard to imagine. It's also a little scary. And pretty pitiful for being wasted on such an awful war.
What was more ludicrous was that, when the main gun fires, EVERYONE was supposed to evacuate from the top deck because the explosion of the gun powder was enough to kill a man if you were standing nearby.
Now, I understand this probably wasn't the case when the ship is actively being lit on but, just imagine you're fighting for your life shooting everything you've got on your AA gun then your commander tells you to leave your post and evacuate, while the heavy main gun slowly rises up, fires what's practically a firework that does minimal damage to the enemy.
Nahh! ... the main gun should be used at long range before the secondary armament can be used! After the main guns fire..the secondary armament mops up whats left. (In theory anyway.)
@@stupitdog9686 Exactly
@@stupitdog9686 There's also the fact that the secondaries were most likely protected from the blast (Iowas had the same issue and it meant anyone not manning a turret not every but the main battery crews), though it could explain why so many of the Yamato's AA guns were in enclosed turrets rather then in the open.
@@stupitdog9686 too bad the Japanese didn't have good enough radar or fire control for long range AA fire. Even with actual (working) heavy AA.
@@m.streicher8286
Lack of radar and fire control???
Ain't nothing a SEVERE beating- cough cough, sorry, I meant "discipline" can't fix.
Yamato had a lot of AA guns... but they lacked a lot of things:
Rate of fire, weight on the proyectile, range... but most importantly: accurate fire direction with radar.
u mean anti air guns in wwii had radar guidance? i thought whatever rudimentary radar they had were for early warning and prepping flak cannons thats it.....
Not necessarily Radar, they lack fire control in general.
What the JIN lacked across all of its vessels, was effective damage control
Also corruption
that in conjunction with the 25mm triple being possibly the worst light AA piece of the war really didn't help. On the opposite side of that, the US had the best AA weapons of the war pretty much across the spectrum.
I’m an old Vietnam era ex grunt. The artillery fired beehive rounds in that conflict. They contained hundreds of flechettes fired at attacking enemy infantry. They were scary because when they were used they were fired in direct mode at charging waves of enemy meaning the situation was desperate and you might be overrun. Frightening ordinance.
I worked with a guy who fired beehive rounds in just such a situation in Vietnam; said it made a hell of a mess...tore the VC to shreds and definitely stopped the attack.
You might enjoy one of OperatorDrewski's videos from not too long ago then. There's a DLC for a game called Arma 3 that's out, and when he's flying an attack heli (Cobra, if memory serves me) he's got access to rockets I had no idea existed until that video.
Basically, it had a bunch of flechettes in the tube as well as an orange smoke. The Cobra pilot would fire them down on any NVA/VC guys, and the orange smoke would pop and show where the rocket detonated, releasing the flechettes.
Apparently it was quite effective because it ripped right through the vegetation and any unfortunate Vietnamese, unlike HE rockets which would sometimes detonate too high because of hitting the vegetation itself.
Y'all had some interesting stuff back in the day.
I worked with a former riverboater who said at one point along a river they always came under sniper fire.
They borrowed a landing craft, from the Marines a 155 and from the Aussies Beehive rounds.
When they got to the spot they turned into the bank, dropped the ramp and fired the 155. It cleared the foliage off the trees and they never got sniper fire from there again :)
The Ukrainians have been using them in the current war.
Tanks had similar type of munitions.
M-60's had beehive time, which meant it had a timer or delay to explode. I think the round travel about 2300 feet per second.
The M551 Sheridan beehive round looked like a shotgun shell.
How fitting that such a prestigious hotel also had fireworks!
😂😆😂
The army's insult was that Yamato was a "Hotel for inept admirals" is definitely a stinger.
Just want to mention: "U.S. pilots considered these shells to be more of a pyrotechnics display than an effective anti-aircraft weapon."
@@elham7459 The fact they couldn't shoot down a single PBY-5 Catalina circling them is telling enough.
Poor Yamato-chan, gotta rub her head.
(I'm not a hotel!)
I read an account from one of the dive bomber pilots that attacked Yamato at Samar. He stated that when he began his attack, he looked down at the AA fire coming from the battleship. It was so intense that he compared to looking into the caldera of an active volcano.
Just goes to show the amount of bravery required to make those attack runs. I know some try to say that it was like kicking baby seals because of how much better planes are compared to battleships... But this was the day where a battleship had a chance against incoming aircraft because of how close they had to get to ensure a hit. Nowadays... Chuck a couple harpoons at the target from 80nmi and RTB. If the defenses shoot the missiles down... Oh well... Rearm and launch again.
I never thought of the impact bad munitions could have on the rifling of big guns. Thanks Johnny. Learned something good
In Kantai Collection, I like how the Kongou Sisters made a few nods to the Type 3 beehive shells and its use against a small abyssal air fleet from Yamato herself. If only its concept on paper was truly a weapon on practice...
They used effectively in Afghanistan Apache Hydra 70 rockets fired flechettes.
The M255A1 warhead dispense a nonexplosive cargo of flechettes and a red marker pigment during flight.
Carries 585 120-grain or 1200 60-grain flechettes.
The M255A1 warhead weighs 13.25 pounds (6.01 kilograms). The M255A1 warhead payload is steel flechettes which contain no energetic composition. Each flechette weighs 60 grains.
The M255A1 warhead is olive drab with white markings and a band of white diamond, and they make a funny whoosh noise hearing them from the ground.
I think the weapon sounds bad on paper. Manoeuvring a huge, 18-inch gun with a slow rate of fire and poor range of movement to shoot planes is a terrible idea.
@@jakebennett4307 and that's why the Type-3 shells only had +5 AA in Kancolle.
Imagine playing Kancolle
@@me67galaxylife imagine cry about it
like what they say about the Yamato, it was the ultimate sword forged in an era where everyone was using guns to fight. Yamato was just impressive in terms of size and capability but she was more or less 2 decades late for the type of battle she was designed for. Had she been built during World war 1, she would have been an unsinkable ship that no navy can face against.
Completely agree, but the defeat of Japan led them to a peace his former enemies have never enjoyed.
Yamato's technology was also like a decade behind that of the Iowas
People underestimate how much development went on in the interwar period. To say "had [Yamato] been built in WW1" is like saying "If the US had built the B-52 bomber in WW2".
Aerial development had proven far much more devastating in the end though.
Similar story for the Iowa class, they were probably the best battleships ever made but already obsolete by the time they were completed because naval warfare was all about the aircraft carrier already.
Dude, you just keep cranking out new, interesting content. Your style hits, your editing is tight, your cadence flows, your topics diverse. This is how to build a channel the right way...
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(If I can toss out a suggestion, maybe a video on the progression of bombardment over time from ancient smooth bore cannon all the way to HIMARs modern rocketry. Or anything related to film footage of WW1 biplane combat. Just ideas.)
That's a cool idea! Would require some heavy research but would be fun. Thanks for the kind feedback!
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq
Just keep doing what you're doing, man. It's working.
@@BeingFireRetardant Johnny's got a bloody fantastic channel doesn't he?? 🤔👏👏👏
Impressive how you managed to collect every movie and anime clip of these shells
“Beehive” rounds (aka flechette shells) are designed to distribute a huge number of small sub-projectiles. Firing one of these from the main battery of a battleship essentially would turn that naval rifle into an enormous shotgun (in theory); the main shortcomings with it in practice were the slow targeting and rate of fire out of these massive guns making targeting information become hopelessly outdated by the time the shot was fired, rendering it mostly harmless instead.
As an aside, these are called “beehive” because:
1.) The sound of thousands of nail-sized projectiles whizzing through the air sounds like the buzz of a swarm of angry bees.
2.) The “nails” were equated to the stingers of said bees.
I don't know if it's just me but I wished just one of the Yamato class Super Battleships had survived and was turned into a museum ship
Same
We would have sunk it in the Bikini Atoll tests
I know what you mean, but that was never going to happen. In terms of firepower, armor protection and maneuverability (but not as an AA platform), the Yamatos were clear superiors to any Allied battleship. The victors would have never allowed such a vessel to be displayed as a museum piece.
But she would have been something to see, without doubt.
@@manilajohn0182 u unfortunately agree with you other than the AA she was superior to anything else at the time sigh I tell you if they ever invent a time machine I'm going to make it happen oh and I'll save the Bismarck and the USS Enterprise as long as I'm alive when it gets completed lol
@@stevelenox152 lol I understand, believe me. Bismarck- enemy warship or not- was a naval legend. As for Enterprise- history has shown that we were halfwits to have scrapped the U.S. Navy's most decorated warship of the Second World War.
Thank you for the research. I have always wounded about how practical the big gun anti aircraft beehive has rounds were.
If the guns were more responsive and computer aimed, it might have been different.
I'm not sure if this is just a rumor or if it's true, but I heard that when the Yamato's magazines exploded, the shockwave "knocked" some of the American planes out of the sky. Anyone know if this is factual?
Guys, I know how the Yamato sank. I'm a huge ww2 nerd, and I'm not saying the "beehive shell" caused her mags to detonate. All I'm asking is if the story of American planes being knocked around when her mags exploded was true or just a myth. I appreciate you guys telling me these things, but I already know them 🙂
And now there's a war going on in the comments section, whoops
It stems from the account of how many planes yamato was recorded to have shot down and how many US planes didn't return, but factually unsure
😂!
This one I'll bet it's not
The Yamato explosion was the largest explosion since ww1 right before the atomic bombs dropped so possibly
Tell me you'll believe anything without telling me you'll believe anything
*Ukraine flag next to u/*
@@husbandsonfollowerleader9133 took me a sec to understand
These projectiles would have been used as part of her long range air defense ring.
At most firing fragmentation projectiles (we don’t call them shells or anti aircraft rounds in the Navy) from heavy capital caliber main guns, the rate of closure from inbound air threats, relying on MK I optics for spotting (that’s human eyeballs for the civies), and not having a radar guidances in an air search/tracking mode, would have given them one volley at most. After that your down to your medium and short range close in weapon systems of that era.
Plus her battlegroup/task force lacked a lot of firepower and this severely reduced their force capabilities in defensive operations.
Beautiful super capital ship.
Actually, Yamato class battleships used these more than twice. During the battle of the Sibuyan Sea, both Yamato and her sistership Musashi engaged aircraft with these guns that proved to be ineffective. This wasn’t too much of a problem for Yamato, but a big problem for Musashi who was sunk after 17 bombs and 19 torpedoes. Yamato was too busy engaging ships during the battle off Samar, but fired them on multiple occasions the following day.
Dude, You know how we all have bits of info on various weapons and tactics etc? Then YOU come along, take all the questions and comments, and produce a video with film clips from films (obv lol) games, and show us how and where they were used, with all the reference work involved on your part that's just awesome. I never heard of these beehive shells so with your work they come alive, fabulous. Thank you, oh and the film references below? Even better 😁
Apache also shoot flechettes
M255E1/A1 Flechette warhead
Yeah Johnny makes awsome content.. he brings the story to life with mixture of style & history in bitesize chunk
Hey thanks boys it means a lot! I get a lot of info from the comment sections. I'm not much of an expert on anything so these projects are actually fun places for me to research and learn too.
Great work, mate.
During Operation Pedestal Nelson and Rodney both fired their main guns at approaching Luftwaffe and RA formations. The effect was to make a whole piece of the sky explode. Or so it seemed to the attackers. I wonder if a load of science was put into the endeavour wether it could have proved more effective?
The concept to me is bonkers but you never know
You're only the second person I've ever heard mentions them. Good job brother. Thanks
I absolutely love the shots shown in this video. From the game that I play to one of the most memorable anime that I've watched, everything was here. ❤️
3:27 *"over 150+ anti-aircraft guns"*
Yeah those magnificent, highly effective, definitely not slow rate Type 96 20mms.
Yah not very effective AA guns at all
Ya know, I can’t say the thought didn’t cross my mind but I didn’t actually expect you to use the Kancolle clip in here.
But yeah, in the anime Yamato takes out a small unsuspecting group of enemy fighter scouts at high altitude after the other characters realize their guns don’t have the range. However it’s also worth noting that in that show (which there’s no way most of you have heard of, much less the game it’s based on) the ships are humanoid. Her rig is massive, being about the size of a dresser probably and her main guns are probably the size of large shotguns. Therefore she’d react much faster than the ship.
That said, in the game we use beehive shells too, and while they can be used for AA their main specialty is damaging land based targets (such as the personification of Henderson Field).
We saw how that went! (Blows Rasberry)
There's a report on Haruna's TROM that she reportedly shot down some B-24 bombers at Kure during 1945.
These 'beehive' shells might not be useful in its original purpose, but they were effective during land bombardment particularly when both Kongo and Haruna shelled Henderson Field during the early part of the Guadalcanal campaign.
The crew of the Yamato knew the low effectiveness of the Type 3 anti-aircraft ammunition. So they never used it in the operation against Okinawa. A surviving Yamato archer said after the war: "I never fired a shot during the Okinawa operation."
That was a nice concise overview of the Type 3 shells! As a museum docent, I'll definitely use this as a reference. I tend to get stuck with the anti-air systems more often than not.
I'm just a little disappointed that Strike Witches was used for the thumbnail but did not appear in the video. Strike Witches 2 Episode 8 could've worked when the Yamato shot "anti-Neuroi" shells, which had a similar airburst visual to the Beehive shells. There was also The Movie when the Yamato shot at a Neuroi ship, albeit an airship instead of a surface ship.
Thanks for leaving this. I will keep these in mind for a more expansive video in the future 🙏
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq Sorry, I made a mistake! The anti-Neuroi shells were used by the Italian navy in Strike Witches 2 Episode 2. Episode 8 still had a lot of Yamato moments, including the use of her aircraft catapults, which were also used in The Movie. If you ever do a video on the Gustav and Dora railway guns, Brave Witches has got you covered. Same with the P.1000 Ratte and Sherman Calliopes in Strike Witches: Road to Berlin.
Hey! Glad you included The Great War of Archimedes this time. Nice video, keep it up
So glad you started branching out! Keep up the good work!
A canister or grapeshot-style shell seems like it’d work better for main-cannon AA fire.
Or even something like traditional flak, it would have been possible. Germany had AA guns up to the size of 128mm. Imagine making flak shells with a diameter of 460mm.
Idk if "work better" it's even measurable when you're talking about using the main guns as an anti-air Cannon.
No matter what it would be horribly ineffective, because the main guns can't aim quick enough to track aerial targets
@@KappaKiller108 Yeah, if the amount of attacking aircraft is so great that you need to use your main armament, you’ve kinda already lost.
@@RusskiBlusski I belive Tirpitz's 380s were modified for use in a super-heavy flak role after the sinking of bismark. In theory they may have proven semi effective as very long range fire against lancasters or other heavy bombers.
They didn't, but at least in theory it was sound. The chances of hitting a heavy bomber with such a slow traversing turret is much higher than hitting a more agile carrier bomber.
or time fuzed bomb
Excellent- keep the variety coming Johnny
Thank Johnny. I never knew about the Beehive shells! Keep them coming brother.
Thanks Johnny. I never knew about the Beehive shells! Keep them coming brother.
the concept on paper was good, tactically and technically, they COULD have worked and been more effective IF they were used only during the opening of an engagement. Essentially pre-aiming on the planes flight path, waiting and firing all big guns to create a flak wall at say, 8000m out. Then once done... not using them again, as the secondary and aa guns come into play.
Nicely put together.
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nice use of Battlestations: Pacific, that certainly takes me back
Anti aircraft guns were almost useless until the invention of the proximity fuze.
agree like you need battalions worth of them just to shoot down like 1 or 3
Effective against wooden aircraft for canvas planes like a one might be effective on a swordfish too maybe because they were wood and canvas but aluminum alloy aircraft no actually think the bismarck's flag might have been more effective against them primarily it's just that I think they usually gets the wrong ammunition against the wrong opponent you should have a mixture of beehive rounds and maybe some more effective rounds
To be fair the more effective rounds would be the entirety of the actual AA weapon setup. They fired some reasonably powerful he that would only be better if it had a proximity fuse and better fire control.
Look, packing bees into shells just isn't going to work, fellas. Even if you DO have an 18-inch shell to stuff them into. They'll just get loose and sting the loaders.
Love your videos man, always watch them in the morning before work
I’m an amateur historian of WWII, the North African and European Theaters of Operations d/t my father fighting in both (USN Corpsman assigned to a platoon of Marines). I’ve just started learning more about the Pacific Theater and thank you for your excellent coverage. As an example, I’d never hear of these Beehive shells until today.
Fantastic. Glad I could cover something new for you. My knowledge is amateur as well so this is a fun way for me to learn too.
18-inch beehive: the heaviest firecracker ever
Never heard of it before I watch your video. Thanks.
Excellent stuff bro
Thanks for that interesting presentation. I'd never heard of bee-hive shells used by battleships.
The U.S. Navy had a 16" .50 cal. AA shell for the Iowa class as well, but they just never needed it.
Sanshiki-Dan. Aka type 3 anti aircraft shells. They fouled the guns tremendously on both Yamato and Musashi when they were fired.
Good ol' Drachinifel taught me this!
I remember in highschool someone told me this. The Gunners hated using them cause after 10 Beehive rounds it would wear them out completely
_always with the coolest Content,_ thanks Johnny
Thanks man I appreciate it
A hard to find subject, good on you for looking it up.
Very interesting! Thank you very much! The Yamato, or any battleship could not have survived that onslaught. Maybe if by miracle she would have had sufficient CIWS systems. She had the doubtful honor, looking at it afterwards, being the biggest kamikaze ever.
Biggest failed kamikaze ever.
I’d love to see more naval stuff!
I've been binging your videos man. Great work
Thanks man really appreciate the feedback 🙏
Just wanted to say kudos for using footage from In This Corner of the World, found it by chance, slow burn but liked it
I’ve always wondered why there’s no canister / shotgun like shell for close in weapon systems.
I wonder if the beehive shells were generally unstable due to poor manufacturing or design and this caused the well documented magazine explosions of every Japanese battleship sinking at sea. Kirishima, Hiei and Kongo all blew up as did Yamanto and Musashi. The wrecks of Yamashiro and Fuso need to be explored fully but at least one is documented as blowing up at the Leyte Gulf battle. Due to the pagoda masts, Japanese battleships tended to capsize during sinking and could beehive shells / fuzes be sensitive enough to detonate when dislodged, setting off a chain reaction in the magazines?
"Then he fires his main guns at you. AN AIRCRAFT"
Another great video about something i never knew about
Sweet...
Now let's talk about Yamato's shock cannons....
Oh wait too far into the future :P
Ah yes, a star blazers enjoyer I see...
Space Battleship Yamato by its proper name
@@still_guns yup, as it should be called, star blazers is faster to say tho
Hey don't forget wave motion cannon
I kind of regret not slipping in some Space Battleship reference somehow.
If the Japanese had developed something like VT fuses those would have been nasty.
Does anyone know what was with those pieces of cloth dangeling from the binoculars?
Good video.
The cloth was to prevent the dirty rubber of the binoculars from messing up the white uniforms.
I don’t know if this is true but I wish I had thought of it during my watch keeping time. 🤣
The Japanese did develop a proximity fuse. However, it was not as effective as the VT fuse and it was 'just' too late for use by the time that the war ended.
GREAT VIDEO! Thank you so very much! I've never heard of this!
Nice to see Kancolle footage included lmao
Hey there. you make great content about war guns and made me want to watch those old war movies again. Why don't you make content about the wild west guns and the movies that those guns was used in ? That would also be awesome to watch. Love your videos, keep up the great work. 👍🙏
Why am I the only guy without binoculars?
Been meaning to watch In This Corner of the World
Great stuff never heard of these before, nice one m8👍👍🙂
off topic but why do the officers have a white cloth under their binoculars at 0:01 ?
I'll see what I can find out on that one
An 18" shell full of explosives, ball bearings and a proximity fuse would however be devastating😳
Thank God Japan never got that until after the war.
Great video
Awesome that you included Battlestations Pacific in the video. Love that game
Kudos to that
And this is why the Yamato is now a junk submarine.
For those who don't know 400 US aircraft attacked the Yamoto. The Yamato took down 10 American aircraft.
This shows that the AA crews couldn't aim to save their own lives and compared to the crews of American ship's the Japanese sailors where not very good at damage control.
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The USS Laffy pound for pound out preformed the Yamato. Proving that it's not always about who has the largest ship.
1: Laffey was a destroyer, which A LOT faster and more maneuverable than Yamato, and therefore A LOT harder to hit.
2: Laffey was attacked by kamikaze, which are much easier to take down than bombers of any kind that don't aim to literally crash in your ship.
Comparing apples and oranges here.
@@jonathanallard2128 Plane to ship size ratio isn't apples to oranges.
The Yamato was 32 times larger with more guns than the Laffy .
The Laffy was attacked by 30 enemy aircraft. The guns of the Laffy managed to shoot down 8 enemy aircraft . Counting the Kamikazes it took down 14 of 30 attacking aircraft.
Now since the Yamato was 32 times larger with more than 32 times the guns it should have been able to take on 32 times as many aircraft and survive right ?
30 x 32 = 960 aircraft. But that never happened because it only took 400 YS aircraft to make the Yamato Battleship into a Yamato class submarine. And US pilots weren't committing suicide with planes packed with explosives get hits on the ship.
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Yeah the Yamato managed to take out 10. It had 400 targets to shoot at and took down 10 of them.
In conclusion the Allies had both better damage control and accuracy than the Axis powers .
The USS Laffy got repaired , served in two more wars them retired as a museum ship. Meanwhile the Yamato is to busy being a fish habit.
@@John2r1 Please address my points.
Also, I agree with your conclusion that USA ships had better fire control than IJN. That is well known.
I just don't think you can compare a slow and sluggish and a huge target battleship being attacked by ranged weapons with a fast and maneuverable destroyer attacked by literally flying to crash on you kamikazes.
I could make a 3rd point about how Japanese planes were A LOT less armoured and resilient than their US counterparts...
I could make a 4th about how kamikazes were terribly trained pilots with very few hours of flight compared to the average carrier-based US pilots...
I could mention a 5th point about modernity. When was Yamato commissioned? When was Laffey commissioned? That's right. 6 years after Yamato. Did fire control technology change a little or a lot between 1937 and 1943?
I know the facts about Laffey (including on how to spell her name :P ). Had the chance to visit her in North Carolina.
There's a reason why they chose to keep Laffey around to this day, among the dozens of destroyers that saw action and were not preserved. It's because its story is an ANOMALY. It's extraordinary, not the norm.
You're comparing apples and oranges and using the cherrypickest most pro-USA example you could ever conjure, with Laffey's extraordinary history.
Try apples with apples.
@@jonathanallard2128 I was comparing their shown abilities under fire . Not their speed or lack thereof. Yes a Destroyer is more agile than a Battleship. But that comes at a cost in armor and firepower. So my statement was directly about how they did under attack. The USS Laffy survived and limped back to part where it was restored and served in 2 more wars.
The Yamato faced half the ship to plane ratio and got sunk.
@@John2r1 I understand that. But your comparison was shallow as it only accounted for size and amount of guns, 1st, then 2nd, arbitrarily decided that fire control, therefore, should be the focus of the cause for the different outcomes. It failed to weigh in on other crucial differing factors, 5 of which I had enumerated. (Could've named more)
It aimed to point out that you weren't justified in singling out one factor over another as the cause, because the other factors were also different on both instances (hence the apple and orange call out) and played a role in the outcome.
I agree with your conclusion, I just don't think the logic used is correct.
This is why I replied to you.
Cheers.
High school fleets Yamato class is probably more modernized, considering the main batteries a little more accurate and probably uses more modern tech
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Edit: I may have figured out how this shell could have been deadly
1: better quality
2: radar detection detonation
And
3: maybe a little less powder used to make the shell leave the gun
Wow learned something new.
Good one! Thanks
Why do they have a white cloth on their binoculars?
Why wouldn't they?
I wanna know too 🤐
Keeping the breathing from creating condensation on glass?
@@whoelsebutmeofcoursei nah, it's not cold enough to get condensation to bother you
@@whoelsebutmeofcoursei as someone who has tried to wear glasses and a balaclava at the same time, I think it would just make the fogging worse.
Firat
First I think idk haven't checked it yet
You got it Pontiac!
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I love your videos, I also love it when you put the movie titles in. I can now find the movies Ive been wanting to watch for a while now :P
Thanks man! Some gooders in here to watch
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq No problem, I found out about the pacific because of your channel from explaining the m1919 browning great show. Im also into these types of subjects so I always go to you for more info :p
I'm impressed by the fact that you were able to get Battlestations Pacific gameplay in the video. Absolutely amazing game with a great campaign, and definitely recommend it to anyone interested.
I was surprised when I saw that. Did not see it coming.
I’m always so impressed by the amount of knowledge in the comments sections of these kinds of videos.
great stuff
Hey great video thank you sir
Well done.
Really a case study on why the era of the battleship was over.
Good job Johnny very informative. Shoe
One thing I LOVE about this era of movie making where we use tons of CGI. The fact that we can now depict EXTINCT ships in battle in full color and showing them in cinematic battle. In the OLD DAYS of movie making we would have just used CRAPPY newsreel footage or we would have had to mock up (poorly) existing sea vessels or made small scale MODELS in the old days of movie making. Now we're beginning to see very NICE movie recreations of famous naval battles! I just hope we have more movies that depict the major (but FORGOTTEN) navy battles of the Pacific!
Can’t say I ever heard of these shells until good ole Johnny
Happy to bee of service
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq oh for the love of..🤦🏻♂️🤣
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq lol. Good one.
Never heard of these before. That's interesting
Aah yes the Yamato aka tied for first place as largest man made coral reef.
Small clip on Battlestations Pacific mods with Yamato 1945
Thanks for the anime reccomendation, because anything history related, i will watch it
The Japanese Captain’s HATED that cursed Shinshiki beehive shells. They didn’t trust them. The loss of the Battleship IJN Mutsu in 1943, while sitting at anchor at Harashirajima Fleet Anchorage in Japan’s inland sea is strongly suspected to have been caused by the beehive shells. She suffered a catastrophic magazine detonation of her forward magazine. The beehive shells were highly unstable. Packed with incendiary charges that could go off for any reason. It’s further suspected that the massive explosion that occurred when Yamato rolled over. Her #2 Magazine detonating, was similarly caused by the Beehive shells breaking loose and igniting. They were among the most catastrophically stupid weapons of the war.
Yamato had a glaring problem with her antiaircraft defenses. She mounted more AA gun barrels than any ship had ever had. But her fire control systems were primitive. Most of her guns were aimed and controlled by the mark one eyeball of their gun crews. Backed up by a little shouty man waving a stick. (The Great War of Archimedes shows this nicely). The problem was by 1945 planes had gotten so much faster that they could not be accurately tracked and fired upon manually anymore. Anyone aiming for them by eyeball alone would shoot above and behind them. This is why Yamato in her final mission only shot down three of the 426 planes attacking her. (280 was just one of the two waves).
Imagine the thunderous sound of the Yamato’s guns going off.
Imagine being reduced to a smudge on the deck if you were nearby!
Basically giant shotgun shells shot from battleships
Love to see highschool fleet included in this vid
It was the torpedoes that did the Yamato in. Learned from the Musashi attack, they concentrated on the port side. The bombs bounced off the armor.
thank you
Good to see a video on this. You are right, the san shiki type 3 shells looked good on paper but did not deliver in practice.
I still remember that happened to me many times
I believe that the Yamato was also featured in the anime Strike Witches.
Hmm I think you might be right
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq thanks
Impressive
I always felt like the beehives were a pretty good idea. Interesting, but it makes sense that they werent more effective...
Cool video