Vanessa had so much natural talent, it was ridiculous. She was probably the single most gifted athlete of that quad that never made it to the Olympics.
Not really. She never medaled at worlds. She was not really a contender. A couple of good performances at a couple of minor meets don't make you great. She was pretty much a flop. She was not selected because she was not capable of handling the pressure of the Olympics.
@@foodculture6355 I said she was gifted and had talent, which she very obviously did; I didn't say that she was successful at refining those gifts to win medals.
@@foodculture6355 Your knowledge of her career is clearly very limited. She only had one World Championship she was eligible for before 2000, and it came when she began to have problems in her gymnastics. She was fantastic in 1997 and 1998 - had she been eligible in 1997 and had there been a World Championships in 1998 (there hasn't been a year without them *since then*) - she almost certainly would have had at least a couple World medals. She was very successful at the 1998 Goodwill Games. The timing of her peak years was unfortunately, terrible for her. Sounds like you didn't follow her career at the time, and have just clicked on a few TH-cam videos.
So much respect for gymnasts like Maloney who competed such difficult tumbling passes when they could have competed much easier routines and still had a 10.0 start value
Could Al Trautwig be a little more classless? He needs to keep his mouth shut about things he has no business talking about, especially when he doesn't know the whole story. No one except Vanessa and her coaches do and making Vanessa out to be the villain is incredibly low and insensitive,
@@mariahg6146 Right? I was thinking what was the point of him bringing that up? Stuff like that is why a lot of gymnasts back them developed EDs and were underweight smh. She's a talented gymnast and he should have talked about that, NOT how her appearance used to be smh
He made Kristin the villain the previous 2 years. He spoke as if she was stilling Vanessa's title. It was not Kristin winning it was always poor Vanessa losing.
Dominique Daws always so poised, elegant, and mature. Even presented herself this way when she was young. She is such a beautiful, strong, classy woman; well spoken, intelligent and a great mentor for young female athletes. She interviews well and doesn’t use repetitive, nonsense clutch words such as ‘like’ and ‘fun’. My parents corrected me each time I misspoke when I was growing up. At the time I disliked it very much. I was frustrated, especially as a teen, that my parents never let speech and language skills slide. Today I am so grateful. Today, my kids don’t like it when I correct them.
I distinctly remember watching the 96 olympics as a kid and adoring the mag 7. Moceanu was my fave so it was disappointing that she did not do as well as I'm sure she'd hoped on this day. She's still a great role model and I appreciate her giving it all she had! Love Miller as well. Who can deny her talents?
And coaching you're daughter is a TOTALLY other thing too!!! He was very supportive when he coached Rebecca Bross and Ivan Hung and everyone SINCE Nastia
I feel the ‘98-2000 quad was actually very talented. I think they were pushed way too hard. USAG was really pushing them to be another Magnificent 7. They were too inexperienced. This was the height, maybe just the beginning actually, of tons of abuse in women’s gymnastics behind the scenes.
And don’t forget the 4 vets trying to prove that they still had it after Atlanta, look at Dawes only person to be on three consecutive Olympic Gymnastics teams we’ve seen people try to comeback a 2nd or 3rd time but they weren’t as good as they were in the past
@@tomgallowitz Dawes was NOT as good as in the past and she actually did NOT MAKE the team. She was put ON the team by a horrible unfair system. She placed 7th at trials BEHIND Atler who should have been ON the team. Dawes who was an incredible gymnast for many years prior but should have only been an alternate and she really did NOT perform well at the Games themselves either
@@JB-sg1vythe selection under Bela for this quad had nothing to do with standings?!! It was about who showed they could handle the pressure. Unfortunately...Atler SHOWED she couldn't at the Olympic trials
@@trodairebeaghave you seen any of the documentaries made of gymnastics around this era? Bella was HORRIBLE. Abusive, intimidating, controlling, and divisive. He basically instilled fear into every gymnast. And he broke their spirit, allowed them to be sexually abused by Nassar, and then used them as tools to get medals and fame. Poor girls. They were pawns in his game. He took a group of talented girls and basically broke their spirit. So sad. He did this for so many generations of gymnasts. Not just in America but in Romania too. I read that he would beat the Romanian gymnasts to the point where they would urinate on themselves. So sad! These girls would have performed better with less pressure, a more supportive environment, and a gymnastics federation that protected them. They were talented
If only they had started the 3-up 3-count system for Sydney. Atler may have made the team as a vault specialist. But then there was so much hype/expectation surrounding her, she just couldn’t handle the pressure.
Maloney.....i cant say what it is, but she just doesn't have that world class feel. A LOT of her execution looks sloppy and I just can't help but think that had she existed in any other era, she wouldn't be in sniffing distance of National Championships.
What's odd is I feel this improved greatly in her college years. She just looks so much cleaner. I guess with the higher difficulty, she was just more raggedy.
You can def tell she has a skilled background as a dancer on top of gymnastics. The way she moves is very fluid and elegant, more so than other gymnasts. Impressive!
WHAT?! She can barely stay on with the crazy crooked leg on the layout. And the dismount is easy and she has major form and steps. And lands hard on the front tuck. And is off on the double twist.
Calling Moceanu "overweight" is horrible, and insane on top of that. She wasn't 13 years old anymore, she looked like a woman. It's WOMEN'S Artistic Gymnastics! So glad the Karolyi's (and Al Trautwig) are gone.
Exactly. The Karolyi's over exercised and trained their athletes and denied them food because they knew if they could delay puberty, those girls would hit their routines. That's why she looked 12 in 1996 instead of 14.
He said she "WAS" overweight. Information he was given from her coach and herself. He didn't go weigh her. IDIOTS! Can't believe I'm defending AL. But geez. Y'all can't even get a quote, right?
Maloney was a mediocre gymnast who lucked out in that she was physically and emotionally stable while the more talented athletes were injured or melting down. And it was a very weak quad for US gymnastics.
Excuse me? Kristin Maloney was seriously underappreciated in her time. Her power on floor was unprecedented. At this point in time to throw the three tumbling passes she did? Seriously, her routine on floor would still be competitive for medals today!
I love Vanessa’s gymnastics but she said years later that she hated gymnastics and was so relieved when she didn’t make the 2000 team. Is it possible to be so good at something you say you hate?
I said the same thing when I was swimming I was so good at it that I hated it. I was in a similar situation like Vanessa of all the pressure and to win. If you mess up you get yelled and at screamed at. She said she hated gymnastics because of the pressure of competing . Same thing with me. We both liked similar sports but the fun was taken away.
I know the 1996 games happened 26 yrs ago, and this is 4 years later; and no I do not understand a lot of the choices made in routine composition and skills chosen. However, I do know that Dawes was an untapped talent.
So many what-ifs during this quad. What if Vanessa had a better coaching/support system? What if Kristen didn’t have all those injuries? What if Elise didn’t have a weird outing at the Olympic Games? What if Dominique Moceanu’s dad didn’t fire Luminita(so?) the coach who helped her win the Goodwill games. *sigh*
Kristen was a sloppy gymnast who in any other era would be irrelevant. I think Atler, Moceanu, and to a lesser degree Ray were the only ones with any potential on the big stage.
@@2134kneesMLT was abusive in her own way and a supporter of Bela so I doubt that would have helped her. There were like no good coaches that went against bela during this era
Dominique got totally screwed over. The pressure from Bella to perform was haunting her. He made her do a bar routine in front of her teammates at warm ups like 16 times when she was 14. She said her hands were on fire they were burning so bad. The Karolyi's didn't care if she got injured or competed injured. In 1996 the reason she fell on her vaults was she had some kind of injury in a bone in her leg or something. They wouldn't give it enough time to heal and then she has to train and warm up at the Olympics. I think it was a stress fracture.
Her falls on vault in Atlanta wasn't cuz her leg wasn't healed....it was cuz they were trying to protwvt her leg aSO much that she didn't get a lot of training time on vault. The vault she competed is all about TIMING!!! She didnt have it due to lack of training!!? She even said so AFYER the Oltmpicas AND im her book!!
Also they said ‘He calls Morgan white the Most stable’ ... really!? She was quite unstable as seen after every even that didn’t go perfect. This quad of girls was very talented but it was the beginning of a very abusive era in gymnastics.
what a mess of a cohort that qaudrennium, smh. Bela Karolyi definitely missed the mark on many of these gymnasts. E.g., Morgan White was NOT "stable" or even close to world-class for an Olympic team. Maloney and Moceanu were always hurt. Atler was a headcase and already broken. Ray was so overrated and overscored in the USA. Dawes was a shell of her former self with mediocre and messy routines. And if the team is relying on a gymnast like Schwikert to start for Team USA during the Olympics, then you know your team depth sucks! Just goes on and on, smh...........
@@aarulf 10.0 is the highest you could get during this time. I could never score the routines with the new score system. I remember watching TV with a notepad to see how close my score was that the judges gave.
Also, I see Vanessa Atler in these competitions and cannot help but think Atler was just a couple of cycles too late...She could have been a Vault Specialist and a Beam Specialist (like Annia and Mohini were in 2004). She could have done Beam and Vault in 2008!!
Yeah she would be amazing on the 2008 team. She could literally replace both Sam and Bridget, as both would be irrelevant with Vanessa around. She could do 3 events in team finals, leaving Sacramone probably to do only vault, and they would be fine now with Memmel doing only bars. They could focus on trying to get a super bars specialist to do bars over Johnson for the last spot now and more would see that was their only way on the team and would focus on that as she should have (eg Ashley Preiss) rather than pointlessly, foolishly, overfocusing on the AA.
If you think about it, she was in the right quad. Amanar, Raducan and Zamo all had less than stellar bar routines and yet were major contenders. Atler was in the same camp, in my opinion. She didn’t need a spectacular bar routine, she just needed help to get her past the mental block. She needed to be like Aly Raisman, get through bars and excel on the other 3 events and Atler would’ve been right up there with the leaders.
Vanessa Atler on floor and beam were always just fantastic (though funny enough, her floor routine was recycled by Valeri for his own daughter Nastia in 2008, you know, when she won gold?) and it's such a shame how her career ended. So many of these girls are obviously anxious because of everything going on behind the scenes, not only in their personal life but how they were trained. I'm enjoying the nostalgia of watching old school gymnastics but it is appalling just how underweight those girls were. Especially if you go back to like 1990-1996. And even MORE appalling was when they used to blast their weight on the screen. 2000 seems to be when that shift towards compact, muscular shapes became to trickle in. Mental health may still be treated like shit in our society in regards to athletes but at least gymnasts of all *healthy* shapes and sizes are represented.
NO IT WASN'T!! NASTIA HAD A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PIECW OF MUSIC AMD JER ROUTINE WAS ACTUALLY CHOREOGRAPHED BT JER MOTHER!!! GET YOUR INFO RIFHR BEFORE YOU GIVE OUT INCORRECT INFO TO PEOPLE!!!!
She left the Rybakis after 99 Nationals but stayed in California, so she was just training at another local gym for 99 Worlds. Afterwards, she was supposed to go to Texas to train with Bela, but then he was selected as national team coordinator, a position he couldn’t hold while training gymnasts for the team. He recommended Liukin to Vanessa, so she moved to WOGA.
She looked better as she grew. Emotionally it was too much. Im so glad they upped the age to compete senior. Most og bella's girls to this day defend him and many think she was just too young. Her family ruined her
Kym Jacobs she has good gymnastics still but she was out of shape and injured for most of it. She had a lot of personal things happening. I’m glad she’s come out in recent years against the type of coaching in those years, it’s why all these girls were injured so much. Being forced to train 10 hours a day, no water, only 1000 calories a day etc.
I doubt it. She redid her vaults on the new vault and they were her best. Add her highest beam score of the game from prelims to her bar and floor scores (she hit both) and the redone vault score which she also hit, and she is still several tenths below Olaru and Xuan.
Is all this hugging necessary? Seriously, after each routine, hugging, touchy, feely so creepy. And who wants a hug when you just worked out and feel hot and sweaty? I don’t even hug my family members that much. It would be like hugging them each time you walk by someone. There were no boundaries in gymnastics. It’s so weird. And fake anyway. It was all for show. Although I have to say, I have never seen Valeri Liuken, (?spelling), and Al Fong hug the athletes.
Have you ever done anything that is any type of performance? Hugging and high fives are at all sports. You need to go bowling. Or maybe you just suck at stuff, and never deserved a high five.
@@JennaLeigh She was I'm a fragile state of mind. She needed a little more compassion. MLT and Valeri are expecting them to just build a bridge and get over it.
Does anyone else think that maybe Valeri was not the right coacch for Vanessa? If she was going to leave the Rybakis maybe she should have gone to MLT at Cincinati?
She was supposed to go with Bela, but then he was made team coordinator, and he couldn't have a gymnast competing. He arranged for Vanessa to go to WOGA
An example: most gymnasts have trouble with pirouettes. Ballet dancers? Not so much. Different skills. Different priorities. Ballet is an art form. Gymnastics is a sport.
I'll never forget how shocking it was when Vanessa Atler first came onscreen during this event. Bloated and looked severely depressed. A total mess. Wasn't even the same person that had competed in previous years. Her parents shouldn't have allowed her to compete at Nationals and she shouldn't have been within a light year of the Olympic trials.
Skill-wise she deserved to be there. Not sure what "bloated" has to do with anything - Vanessa was never stick thin and she didn't have to be - her muscular body was the reason why her gymnastics was so powerful. An 18-year old woman whose puberty was likely delayed due to her training grew bigger since the last time you saw her? No way!
@@jojox9791how out of touch are you? He is absolutely repulsive. He has his list of brainwashed gymnasts. But the smart ones have come out with the truth about him and he is a horrible coach. Abusive in multiple ways way back to when he coached in Romania. He beat the shit out of his young gymnasts. Here in America he could not beat them so he emotionally abused them and allowed nassar to sexually abuse gymnasts for years. So horrible. Hope God made him pay when he arrived there in the other world
Amy chow never got enough credit
Vanessa had so much natural talent, it was ridiculous. She was probably the single most gifted athlete of that quad that never made it to the Olympics.
Not really. She never medaled at worlds. She was not really a contender. A couple of good performances at a couple of minor meets don't make you great. She was pretty much a flop. She was not selected because she was not capable of handling the pressure of the Olympics.
I agree, she was my idol growing up. I met her at the 2015 American Cup and she is sooooo humble and sweet too.
@@foodculture6355 I said she was gifted and had talent, which she very obviously did; I didn't say that she was successful at refining those gifts to win medals.
She did bit unfortunately had emotional issues going on and was apparently going through hell and abuse behind the scenes
@@foodculture6355 Your knowledge of her career is clearly very limited. She only had one World Championship she was eligible for before 2000, and it came when she began to have problems in her gymnastics. She was fantastic in 1997 and 1998 - had she been eligible in 1997 and had there been a World Championships in 1998 (there hasn't been a year without them *since then*) - she almost certainly would have had at least a couple World medals. She was very successful at the 1998 Goodwill Games. The timing of her peak years was unfortunately, terrible for her. Sounds like you didn't follow her career at the time, and have just clicked on a few TH-cam videos.
15 years later and the beginning still gives me the chills
16 years later
20 years later LOL.
So much respect for gymnasts like Maloney who competed such difficult tumbling passes when they could have competed much easier routines and still had a 10.0 start value
Still get the chills when thinking about Atlanta. Magnificent.
Could Al Trautwig be a little more classless? He needs to keep his mouth shut about things he has no business talking about, especially when he doesn't know the whole story. No one except Vanessa and her coaches do and making Vanessa out to be the villain is incredibly low and insensitive,
The fact that he said Dominique Moceanu was overweight...
@@mariahg6146 Right? I was thinking what was the point of him bringing that up? Stuff like that is why a lot of gymnasts back them developed EDs and were underweight smh. She's a talented gymnast and he should have talked about that, NOT how her appearance used to be smh
He made Kristin the villain the previous 2 years. He spoke as if she was stilling Vanessa's title. It was not Kristin winning it was always poor Vanessa losing.
@@mariahg6146he got that FROM HER....im an interview prior the this event!!! STOP trying to imply that he wasakomg things up!!! HE WASN'T!!! 34:42
Dominique Daws always so poised, elegant, and mature. Even presented herself this way when she was young. She is such a beautiful, strong, classy woman; well spoken, intelligent and a great mentor for young female athletes. She interviews well and doesn’t use repetitive, nonsense clutch words such as ‘like’ and ‘fun’. My parents corrected me each time I misspoke when I was growing up. At the time I disliked it very much. I was frustrated, especially as a teen, that my parents never let speech and language skills slide. Today I am so grateful. Today, my kids don’t like it when I correct them.
I distinctly remember watching the 96 olympics as a kid and adoring the mag 7. Moceanu was my fave so it was disappointing that she did not do as well as I'm sure she'd hoped on this day. She's still a great role model and I appreciate her giving it all she had! Love Miller as well. Who can deny her talents?
She was competing in an injured ankle though so I thought she did great on her ankle!!!
I’ve never heard Valeri being so supportive lol he clearly changed his coaching technique after atler
Different people need different coaching styles.
And coaching you're daughter is a TOTALLY other thing too!!! He was very supportive when he coached Rebecca Bross and Ivan Hung and everyone SINCE Nastia
I feel the ‘98-2000 quad was actually very talented. I think they were pushed way too hard. USAG was really pushing them to be another Magnificent 7. They were too inexperienced. This was the height, maybe just the beginning actually, of tons of abuse in women’s gymnastics behind the scenes.
And don’t forget the 4 vets trying to prove that they still had it after Atlanta, look at Dawes only person to be on three consecutive Olympic Gymnastics teams we’ve seen people try to comeback a 2nd or 3rd time but they weren’t as good as they were in the past
@@tomgallowitz Dawes was NOT as good as in the past and she actually did NOT MAKE the team. She was put ON the team by a horrible unfair system. She placed 7th at trials BEHIND Atler who should have been ON the team. Dawes who was an incredible gymnast for many years prior but should have only been an alternate and she really did NOT perform well at the Games themselves either
@@JB-sg1vythe selection under Bela for this quad had nothing to do with standings?!! It was about who showed they could handle the pressure. Unfortunately...Atler SHOWED she couldn't at the Olympic trials
@@trodairebeaghave you seen any of the documentaries made of gymnastics around this era? Bella was HORRIBLE. Abusive, intimidating, controlling, and divisive. He basically instilled fear into every gymnast. And he broke their spirit, allowed them to be sexually abused by Nassar, and then used them as tools to get medals and fame. Poor girls. They were pawns in his game. He took a group of talented girls and basically broke their spirit. So sad. He did this for so many generations of gymnasts. Not just in America but in Romania too. I read that he would beat the Romanian gymnasts to the point where they would urinate on themselves. So sad! These girls would have performed better with less pressure, a more supportive environment, and a gymnastics federation that protected them. They were talented
Dominique Moceanu is a true champion.
Yea she is
Amy's leg up full turn to jump with quarter turn on beam is absolutely beautiful!!
look how young valeri liukin looks!!
Ahhhhh...... The era of the velour leo, lol.
I'm getting goosebumps. This is the most inspiring thing my admiration knows no boundaries for these girls
so much grace back then
If only they had started the 3-up 3-count system for Sydney. Atler may have made the team as a vault specialist. But then there was so much hype/expectation surrounding her, she just couldn’t handle the pressure.
Maloney.....i cant say what it is, but she just doesn't have that world class feel. A LOT of her execution looks sloppy and I just can't help but think that had she existed in any other era, she wouldn't be in sniffing distance of National Championships.
What's odd is I feel this improved greatly in her college years. She just looks so much cleaner. I guess with the higher difficulty, she was just more raggedy.
You sound like Al
I think so too though she did make improvements closer to the actual olympics
Elise Rays beam.. Absolutely stunning!
You can def tell she has a skilled background as a dancer on top of gymnastics. The way she moves is very fluid and elegant, more so than other gymnasts. Impressive!
WHAT?! She can barely stay on with the crazy crooked leg on the layout. And the dismount is easy and she has major form and steps. And lands hard on the front tuck. And is off on the double twist.
I understand this may be an unpopular opinion however...Miller should have been on that team. She was a veteran and also such a gamer!
She was injured I think,which is why she didn't compete on all 4 events.
Calling Moceanu "overweight" is horrible, and insane on top of that. She wasn't 13 years old anymore, she looked like a woman. It's WOMEN'S Artistic Gymnastics! So glad the Karolyi's (and Al Trautwig) are gone.
Thank God they FINALLY gave Al the boot. Could you imagine anyone calling a gymnast overweight today???
@@mariahg6146 today's gymnasts would knock his teeth in.
@@saragrant9749 yeah. I imagine if Simone Biles were to compete in this, she'd be called overweight. One high kick to the face would fix that
Exactly. The Karolyi's over exercised and trained their athletes and denied them food because they knew if they could delay puberty, those girls would hit their routines. That's why she looked 12 in 1996 instead of 14.
He said she "WAS" overweight. Information he was given from her coach and herself. He didn't go weigh her. IDIOTS! Can't believe I'm defending AL. But geez. Y'all can't even get a quote, right?
I am so sorry guys but Kristen's gymnastics is so sloppy and unimpressive. Her form is horrendous and she looks bad on beam and floor.
Latonya Wallace I was never a fan of her gymnastics, though she got better in NCAA
Maloney was a mediocre gymnast who lucked out in that she was physically and emotionally stable while the more talented athletes were injured or melting down. And it was a very weak quad for US gymnastics.
Excuse me? Kristin Maloney was seriously underappreciated in her time. Her power on floor was unprecedented. At this point in time to throw the three tumbling passes she did? Seriously, her routine on floor would still be competitive for medals today!
@@hecticstarcherry Yes her floor routine was the most competitive in that quad, but her choreography doesn't draw you into the routine
I love Kristen Maloney personally. I am drawn to her power on floor and to her on bars.
I can’t believe people said D M was fat that’s horrible she’s beautiful went through a lot
Some of Alter's floor music sounds like Miller's from Alanta.
Nope. Not even close
Maloney's first reaction when she finds out she's in the lead: "Better get out of here before I'm hugged to death."
I never understood why she (Vanessa Atler) didn't just stop competing bars...she was such a strong competitor on the other 3 events.
I think in the Quad she competed in you had to be an AA gymnast :/
@@elishadeesyes. It wasn't until later that it came about that you could be a specialist
Vanessa alter is beautiful like a rose blooming
I love Vanessa’s gymnastics but she said years later that she hated gymnastics and was so relieved when she didn’t make the 2000 team. Is it possible to be so good at something you say you hate?
I said the same thing when I was swimming I was so good at it that I hated it. I was in a similar situation like Vanessa of all the pressure and to win. If you mess up you get yelled and at screamed at. She said she hated gymnastics because of the pressure of competing . Same thing with me. We both liked similar sports but the fun was taken away.
You think she threw the competition on purpose so she wouldn't have to?
I know the 1996 games happened 26 yrs ago, and this is 4 years later; and no I do not understand a lot of the choices made in routine composition and skills chosen. However, I do know that Dawes was an untapped talent.
So many what-ifs during this quad. What if Vanessa had a better coaching/support system? What if Kristen didn’t have all those injuries? What if Elise didn’t have a weird outing at the Olympic Games? What if Dominique Moceanu’s dad didn’t fire Luminita(so?) the coach who helped her win the Goodwill games. *sigh*
Kristen was a sloppy gymnast who in any other era would be irrelevant. I think Atler, Moceanu, and to a lesser degree Ray were the only ones with any potential on the big stage.
And the Moceanu issue was an injury while training for Olympic Trials. What if she'd gone to MLT sooner?
@@2134kneesMLT was abusive in her own way and a supporter of Bela so I doubt that would have helped her. There were like no good coaches that went against bela during this era
Morgan White was too high coming onto the horse in both vaults, or maybe she missed her hands a bit. Doesn't get a good block.
Elise Ray was so hyped up. She got blown past by the Russians and Romanians in Sydney.
Dominique got totally screwed over. The pressure from Bella to perform was haunting her. He made her do a bar routine in front of her teammates at warm ups like 16 times when she was 14. She said her hands were on fire they were burning so bad. The Karolyi's didn't care if she got injured or competed injured. In 1996 the reason she fell on her vaults was she had some kind of injury in a bone in her leg or something. They wouldn't give it enough time to heal and then she has to train and warm up at the Olympics. I think it was a stress fracture.
Her falls on vault in Atlanta wasn't cuz her leg wasn't healed....it was cuz they were trying to protwvt her leg aSO much that she didn't get a lot of training time on vault. The vault she competed is all about TIMING!!! She didnt have it due to lack of training!!? She even said so AFYER the Oltmpicas AND im her book!!
Big mistake putting Bela in charge. It showed with no medals won by any women.
Also they said ‘He calls Morgan white the
Most stable’ ... really!? She was quite unstable as seen after every even that didn’t go perfect. This quad of girls was very talented but it was the beginning of a very abusive era in gymnastics.
@@Cmc995he liked Morgan cuz she had eating disorder and managed to stay prepubescent looking. She had body of 12 yr old at 16 and 17. Sad
what a mess of a cohort that qaudrennium, smh. Bela Karolyi definitely missed the mark on many of these gymnasts. E.g., Morgan White was NOT "stable" or even close to world-class for an Olympic team. Maloney and Moceanu were always hurt. Atler was a headcase and already broken. Ray was so overrated and overscored in the USA. Dawes was a shell of her former self with mediocre and messy routines. And if the team is relying on a gymnast like Schwikert to start for Team USA during the Olympics, then you know your team depth sucks! Just goes on and on, smh...........
Take into account most of these gymnasts were getting sexually abused by nassar during this time. So it was a low time for the sport
If only Vanessa Atler could have been a beam specialist ❤
I'm so used to the scoring system now, I'm having a little trouble figuring out what a good score is
Same here. It took me a few videos to realize and I think 9.5 or higher is good. Low 9's is okay, and anything below a 9 isn't good.
I can't figure out the new scoring today.
@@aarulf 10.0 is the highest you could get during this time. I could never score the routines with the new score system. I remember watching TV with a notepad to see how close my score was that the judges gave.
Also, I see Vanessa Atler in these competitions and cannot help but think Atler was just a couple of cycles too late...She could have been a Vault Specialist and a Beam Specialist (like Annia and Mohini were in 2004). She could have done Beam and Vault in 2008!!
You mean too soon?
@@jojox9791 yes I meant too soon sorry.
Yeah she would be amazing on the 2008 team. She could literally replace both Sam and Bridget, as both would be irrelevant with Vanessa around. She could do 3 events in team finals, leaving Sacramone probably to do only vault, and they would be fine now with Memmel doing only bars. They could focus on trying to get a super bars specialist to do bars over Johnson for the last spot now and more would see that was their only way on the team and would focus on that as she should have (eg Ashley Preiss) rather than pointlessly, foolishly, overfocusing on the AA.
If you think about it, she was in the right quad. Amanar, Raducan and Zamo all had less than stellar bar routines and yet were major contenders. Atler was in the same camp, in my opinion. She didn’t need a spectacular bar routine, she just needed help to get her past the mental block. She needed to be like Aly Raisman, get through bars and excel on the other 3 events and Atler would’ve been right up there with the leaders.
They never said where Jenny Thompson was
I know :/ I always want them to give updates on the various top gymnasts of the quad who aren’t at Trials.
Amy chow is awesome
The fluff piece in the beginning is horrible
obsessed with amy's bars especially the pike jaeger + pak
Vanessa Atler on floor and beam were always just fantastic (though funny enough, her floor routine was recycled by Valeri for his own daughter Nastia in 2008, you know, when she won gold?) and it's such a shame how her career ended. So many of these girls are obviously anxious because of everything going on behind the scenes, not only in their personal life but how they were trained.
I'm enjoying the nostalgia of watching old school gymnastics but it is appalling just how underweight those girls were. Especially if you go back to like 1990-1996. And even MORE appalling was when they used to blast their weight on the screen. 2000 seems to be when that shift towards compact, muscular shapes became to trickle in. Mental health may still be treated like shit in our society in regards to athletes but at least gymnasts of all *healthy* shapes and sizes are represented.
They should post the height and weight. They do it to men on every sport.
NO IT WASN'T!! NASTIA HAD A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PIECW OF MUSIC AMD JER ROUTINE WAS ACTUALLY CHOREOGRAPHED BT JER MOTHER!!! GET YOUR INFO RIFHR BEFORE YOU GIVE OUT INCORRECT INFO TO PEOPLE!!!!
@@dustintillman3101just cuz they do it for the men does not mean it is right. Just don’t do it for either gender period
Did Atler change coaches before worlds 99 then again before this competition?
She left the Rybakis after 99 Nationals but stayed in California, so she was just training at another local gym for 99 Worlds. Afterwards, she was supposed to go to Texas to train with Bela, but then he was selected as national team coordinator, a position he couldn’t hold while training gymnasts for the team. He recommended Liukin to Vanessa, so she moved to WOGA.
11:08 That's one of the best "not amused" reactions I've seen.
Poor Dominique M had too many personal life issues I think, she really fell apart after ‘96
She looked better as she grew. Emotionally it was too much. Im so glad they upped the age to compete senior. Most og bella's girls to this day defend him and many think she was just too young. Her family ruined her
I wouldn't say she fell apart. She won the 98 goodwill games, and would have gone to the 2000 Olympics if she hadn't been injured
Kym Jacobs she has good gymnastics still but she was out of shape and injured for most of it. She had a lot of personal things happening. I’m glad she’s come out in recent years against the type of coaching in those years, it’s why all these girls were injured so much. Being forced to train 10 hours a day, no water, only 1000 calories a day etc.
@@jojox9791most OG Bella’s girls are brainwashed. Glad moceanu escaped being brainwashed. She saw bela for who he was
Why didn’t Shannon only do one event and tapped on the other 3 ?
Injury I believe but to do OT she had to at least touch every apparatus.
I love moceanu but that floor music/choreography is just bad:/
Yeah, I think her floor was much better in 1998. It's a real shame how everything unraveled after those championships.
I feel if Elise didn’t have the fall in the aa final she really could’ve maybe have gotten a all around medal
I doubt it. She redid her vaults on the new vault and they were her best. Add her highest beam score of the game from prelims to her bar and floor scores (she hit both) and the redone vault score which she also hit, and she is still several tenths below Olaru and Xuan.
Morgan white had some severe anxiety going on.
Is all this hugging necessary? Seriously, after each routine, hugging, touchy, feely so creepy. And who wants a hug when you just worked out and feel hot and sweaty? I don’t even hug my family members that much. It would be like hugging them each time you walk by someone. There were no boundaries in gymnastics. It’s so weird. And fake anyway. It was all for show. Although I have to say, I have never seen Valeri Liuken, (?spelling), and Al Fong hug the athletes.
Have you ever done anything that is any type of performance? Hugging and high fives are at all sports. You need to go bowling. Or maybe you just suck at stuff, and never deserved a high five.
I think you need a hug! Maybe somebody will give you one for existing. And yes, that's a thing, too.
Love Vanessa.
Anyone think Vanessa would have done better at Olympics than Elise Ray did?
Physically yes. But psychologically no.
@@jojox9791 Psychologically Ray failed at the Games. She performed MUCH worse than here or at the Trials. And that was even before the vault fiasco.
Dantzsher is lucky she didn’t injure her knees landing that double Arabian locked out like that.
Mary Lee Tracy wasn't much better than the other coaches at that time. From what I understand, she could be really unkind.
Bars are so hard
"What about how fragile she is??" Shut the hell up John. I wish he was fired already. Anyone watching in 2018?
A MASSIVE part of training is mental toughness. Its absolutely possible to have an error like that and still come out strong. She damn near crumbled.
@@JennaLeigh She was I'm a fragile state of mind. She needed a little more compassion. MLT and Valeri are expecting them to just build a bridge and get over it.
Who is JOHN? People y'all make comments and you can't even get a name right.
Does anyone else think that maybe Valeri was not the right coacch for Vanessa? If she was going to leave the Rybakis maybe she should have gone to MLT at Cincinati?
She was supposed to go with Bela, but then he was made team coordinator, and he couldn't have a gymnast competing. He arranged for Vanessa to go to WOGA
But why not MLT?
@@2134knees Didn't MLT not have the nicest personality?
I wish she could’ve been reunited with Luminita (sp?), the Romanian coach she had in 1998. That was the best gymnastics Moceanu had ever displayed.
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These girls are too amazing for words. Forgive me for saying this ballet dancers but this looks harder to me. Of course I'm not an expert.
They're equally as hard. Just completely different.
An example: most gymnasts have trouble with pirouettes. Ballet dancers? Not so much. Different skills. Different priorities. Ballet is an art form. Gymnastics is a sport.
I'll never forget how shocking it was when Vanessa Atler first came onscreen during this event. Bloated and looked severely depressed. A total mess. Wasn't even the same person that had competed in previous years. Her parents shouldn't have allowed her to compete at Nationals and she shouldn't have been within a light year of the Olympic trials.
Skill-wise she deserved to be there. Not sure what "bloated" has to do with anything - Vanessa was never stick thin and she didn't have to be - her muscular body was the reason why her gymnastics was so powerful. An 18-year old woman whose puberty was likely delayed due to her training grew bigger since the last time you saw her? No way!
Im not seeing this bloat. She looks damn good to me!
@@JennaLeigh i dont see it either. She worked her ass off her entire life. She was determined to try
Idiotic comment
🙄 bela
Loved his gymnast 99.9% still stay in touch and love him
@@jojox9791 hmmmm.... 😂 don’t think so
@@jojox9791how out of touch are you? He is absolutely repulsive. He has his list of brainwashed gymnasts. But the smart ones have come out with the truth about him and he is a horrible coach. Abusive in multiple ways way back to when he coached in Romania. He beat the shit out of his young gymnasts. Here in America he could not beat them so he emotionally abused them and allowed nassar to sexually abuse gymnasts for years. So horrible. Hope God made him pay when he arrived there in the other world
Bells seems like a nice man.
Do you mean bela? If so, man you don’t know what you’re talking about
RIP Vanessa Atler. You were always my favourite ❤️
Vanessa Atler is still alive… lol
Omg Al saying :”what about how fragile she is?!” What an insensitive comment.