The PGMOL’s handling of William Saliba’s red card, while correct under the DOGSO rule, exposes the glaring inconsistencies in officiating decisions. Similar incidents, like those involving Tosin and Van de Ven, were treated entirely differently despite appearing almost identical in context. This lack of uniformity raises serious questions about fairness and consistency. Coupled with controversies like those involving David Coote, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that the PGMOL is not fit for purpose. Refereeing decisions feel arbitrary, with a lack of accountability or clear explanations, leaving fans frustrated and skeptical. Until the PGMOL prioritises consistency, transparency, and accountability, the integrity of the league will remain in question, and accusations of bias will only grow louder. Arsenal, like many clubs, deserves better. Football deserves better. The statement "WE CHEATED ARSENAL" reflects my interpretation of the actions and decisions made by the PGMOL, particularly in light of the inconsistency displayed in their officiating.
Ever since the PGMOL received the letter about Arsenal's dark arts they have refused to give Arsenal the benefit of the doubt, might be a coincidence but the refs are utter trash so who knows
@@djn1856 Its very easy to understand - The PGMOL’s handling of William Saliba’s red card, while correct under the DOGSO rule, exposes the glaring inconsistencies in officiating decisions. Similar incidents, like those involving Tosin and Van de Ven, were treated entirely differently despite appearing almost identical in context. This lack of uniformity raises serious questions about fairness and consistency. Coupled with controversies like those involving David Coote, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that the PGMOL is not fit for purpose. Refereeing decisions feel arbitrary, with a lack of accountability or clear explanations, leaving fans frustrated and skeptical. Until the PGMOL prioritises consistency, transparency, and accountability, the integrity of the league will remain in question, and accusations of bias will only grow louder. Arsenal, like many clubs, deserves better. Football deserves better. The statement "WE CHEATED ARSENAL" reflects my interpretation of the actions and decisions made by the PGMOL, particularly in light of the inconsistency displayed in their officiating.
@@TheFootballTerraceyou just copied the text🤣🤣🤣I agree with you though sport is all about the feeling and when the arbiters or fairness (referees) are controlling the feeling of the game, thats when you know change is needed
Even if there are similarities in the Saliba and Tosin scenario, the main different is where Colwill and White are. Colwill in a running position would have caught up to Jota who would have needed 1 or 2 sec to control the ball while Ben White is too far from catching Evanilson even if the Brazilian needed to take a first touch. Colwill being that close makes it less of a DOGSO than the arsenal one
The important factor here is that they 're-refereed' the game. The AR1 says that "Ben White is too far, but Evanilson doesn't have control of the ball". Meaning they SAW where White was, but despite that, it was still too far from goal and the player didn't have the ball under control. The VAR got involved in a subjective call, something they aren't supposed to do. None of the reasoning of the AR and on field ref was incorrect, yet they still VAR'ed the decision. Arsenal are always the "experiment", you'll repeatedly see us get reds and other poor decisions for things that you never see given again. Martinelli two yellows for one sequence of play, Rice and Trossard sent off for "delaying the restart" etc etc.
Lfc fan. We can all highlight incidents where our team has been wronged tbh. Ultimately the system isn’t working and needs improving for everyone. Even the new tech being used in La Liga isn’t full proof after the Lewendowski offside ruling this weekend showed, but its still a lot better than what we have here and is a step in the right direction. Will it ever be perfect, probably not as a lot of decisions will have an element of subjectivity.
Really good point. Judging by the number of similar incidents that ended in a yellow card the Saliba incident should then have ended in a yellow as that call by the ref is not a "clear and obvious" error, it's a judgement call.
@@1972dsraiyeah but a few teams get bulk of the wrong decisions. Why is that? Recently, United, Liverpool, arsenal, wolves are all getting unlucky af. Every few weeks. Not sure why that is though
Arsenal fan here. We got a dubious penalty given against us when we played Inter in the CL. Really harsh handball. I wasn’t mad though coz it’s a decision that’s consistently given in the CL. See where I’m going here? We just want consistency!
100% facts bro. I never feel like I moan at champions league refs. They have stinkers and good games but for both teams (unless you’re Madrid lol). In the prem it genuinely feels like bullying. Every single game we get extremely poor calls consistently against us pretty much every week. And then we get told every time that we are wrong for feeling like we got done over. Clowns
@@40yearoldvirgil15 how about van de ven pulling down the crystal palace attacker. The spurs and crystal palace scenerio was worse, the attacker was closer to the ball and right outside the penalty box
The focus here is on the glaring inconsistencies in refereeing decisions, which should concern all fans regardless of club loyalty. Allowing tribalism to dominate the conversation only serves to distract from the real issue and ultimately benefits the PGMOL by deflecting accountability. Instead of turning this into a club-versus-club debate, we should unite in holding the decision-makers to higher standards. Addressing these inconsistencies is vital for the integrity of the game, and as fans, we must rise above petty rivalries to demand better from those in charge of officiating.
Terry you talking about inconsistencies but what similar play are you comparing this video audio too this season? Also, you don't educate yourself every season on the new rules and tweaks towards rules and laws, something that was said last season might be judge differently this season.
Every time VAR gets involved against Arsenal it’s as if they are trying to find a way to screw them over! Trossard, Rice and Saliba red cards have all been VAR overturning on field decision. Then you see the lack of consistency with other games and the VAR not being equally as harsh against other teams for exactly the same offences! It’s terribly refereeing
@ they were harsh reds! Yes they were reds but very harsh reds that referees did not replicate in other games. Arsenal fans have reason to feel hard done by this season.
Well done. Fans needs to stand together on this, but that is not the case. Everything is okey in the eye of the biased, and this is truly harming the integrity of the game.
It is pointless having Webb, Gallagher or any other former ref justifying the referees decisions weeks after the event. The footage could have easily been made available immediately after the game. And the referee himself should have been available after the game to speak up for himself as to why he made his decisions
Webb needs time to rehearse justifying every decision, and I.M sure sky also need rehearsal time as well, these shows aren’t run like live news it’s just pgmol propaganda.
If a red had been given on field, I wouldn’t argue it. But with a yellow given, I don’t see how it’s overturned, especially when considering all the other incidents. VAR is for clear & obvious errors, not refereeing.
Lfc fan. The one thing we all need to get away from is tribalism and I appreciate you staying impartial and not just highlighting incidents where Utd were wronged. Having just seen the Lewendowski offside clearly La Liga doesn’t have it all figured out yet, but its still a step in the right direction. Maybe we just need to get back to a point where the attacker is given the BOD when they’re very close. If its just a tip of a toe it should be given. Hope what Collina said about it is taken seriously.
He ceased to be a United fan a long time ago. He's become a fully fledged Arsenal propaganda merchant and has been for a while and is probably enjoying his Arsenal stardom in swinging London.
@@crooner4848 Who’d want to switch to Arsenal tbf? Most fickle bunch of fans ever. Can’t decide if they want Arteta to stay or go. It swings every time they lose a couple.
@@1972dsrai that's it, scape goat us based on people on Twitter - ignorant you must be. Have met some quite ridiculous Liverpool fans in my time, they exist in every fan base
100% people always look over that all the fans are moaning about are inconsistencies not the actual officiating itself. Letter of the law only seems to apply to some teams
Gillet Desperate to find reasons to change Ref's mind. Ref and Assistant both thought white gets their easily. Gillet supports who? and who were arsenal playing the following week
Last man fouling the attacker has always been a red. Had all of these instances been red no one would be complaining. The inconsistency is the issue not the red card.
I don’t want to hear how it all averages out because it doesn’t. So many dropped points around contentious ref decisions for arsenal over the last couple of years.
As an Arsenal fan the issue here is the harsh bias and inconsistences. For our 3 red cards other teams did similar offences in the league, sometimes in the very same game and leniency was shown. It's not even debatable! There is clear refereeing bias against Arsenal and it started under Wenger. Rival fans and trolls love to see it until the nonsense bites their own team.
The PGMOL reeks of mass corruption. This has serious implications for all teams, not just for those in the UK but for all teams competing in major football tournaments right across Europe. Every single game where PGMOL referees were in charge of Champions League, Europa League, should be looked at by UEFA. The PGMOL should be investigated for serious corruption. All the officials in the PGMOL should be investigated by UEFA or a separate impartial independent football organisation. The supporters of all clubs here in the UK and all across Europe need to stand together as one on this or the beautiful game will forever be tainted.
Being a soccer fan at this level is amazing . I am an Arsenal fan but these days I prefer fairness even if it is for Man United . Let the football speak within the Terrace . This Channel rocks !
I agree with Terry.Although i would argue that it's not Arsenal that was cheated(correct decision) but it was the other teams that were not given the correct decision
If Arsenal were the only team punished for an offense while others committing the same offense went unpunished, then yes, Arsenal were cheated by the inconsistency. The issue isn’t the correctness of Saliba’s red card-it’s the unequal application of the rules. Challenging these inconsistencies isn’t manipulative; it’s about holding decision-makers accountable to the standards they set.
@@TheFootballTerrace Yes that's why i agree with ur analysis! All i am saying is the standards must be set by the correct decisions(which Arsenal's was) iF the basis is correct then we can judge them and hold them accountable easier and more precise
By far the most important football channel regarding these current affairs. Personal biases and opinions aside as a Liverpool fan, if you define a red card in the saliba challenge, the tosin one is the same, the van de ven one is the same, the saka one is the same. I’d be happy as a Liverpool fan if the tosin one was a red card, we won the game but it would’ve eased the pressure almost certainly. But if the saliba one was given and stayed a yellow, i could have no complaints. Just requires clarity and a black and white objective definition so that you avoid this biased viewpoint.
the Saliba audio and the way they broke it down was brilliant in my opinion.. but still inconsistent with other decisions later on.. therefore incorrect as more than one incident treated differently, surely the Saliba one was outlier and treated inconsistently..
Sorry, but I'm not taking anything that comes out of Howard Webbs mouth serious. I mean this guys the same guy who left his wife and 3 kids for that female German referee. Therefore a cheat. Once a cheat always a cheat.
Great video Terry.....think it's pretty obvious that this 'Boy's Club' of referees needs disbanding for good and new personnel and processes put in place. They are just an absolute shambles and most of the time, it comes across as either utter ineptness OR pure dishonesty !!
I really believe that the premier league is corrupt. Why only the teams that are challenging Man City are getting robbed. And why are there no controversies against Man City.
Good job with your analysis. Unfortunately I think fans are so inundated with wrong decisions that there's just this awful feeling that matches these days are often ruined by referees, Every time a match comes around, you just pray for a good referee to do justice on the pitch, not just how well the game itself is played.
Tribalism is not going to work for “real” football fans, until the pgmol sort their shit out we have a league that is in disrepute. How has football got so mudded in 5-10 years when it worked fine for 120-150 years. Crazy Love the content bro, keep on keeping on
The fact that rugby, with a fraction of the financial power is able to officiate to a much more consistent and higher standard than football is damning to the PGMOL.
I don't believe it's a case of Arsenal being robbed. I believe that Liverpool were the next day. The presidence was set. There was a recent incident, that not many disputed, the day before when Saliba was sent off. Poor refereeing standards again. No consistency!! Ban VAR until referees have learned consistency.
That said, your point about Liverpool being robbed as well is valid, and it’s not something I discredit. I’ve acknowledged this in previous conversations-it just wasn’t the focus of this particular video. The broader issue here is that inconsistencies like these affect multiple teams, not just Arsenal, and it’s fair to question why the rules are not applied equally.
Also mate, VAR claimed the Jota incident was too far from goal and that Jota wasn’t in control of the ball. Yet, these same reasons weren’t applied to Saliba’s. Regardless of my opinion on whether it’s a red or not, how can such inconsistency exist when these factors are objective?
But this should've been talked about with the same energy last season when Liverpool had 3 red cards in 4 games? Maybe it won't be as it is now.....@TheFootballTerrace
When identical ‘red card’ decisions only affect one team then we have a big problem. That by definition is not a fair playing field and Arsenal fans therefore have a right to feel hard done by.
I'm really liking these videos you're currently doing re the PGMOL issues and general refereeing standards. My fear is that Mr Coote will be used as a scapegoat to detract from the issues that really need to be looked into. It all needs to be torn up and rewritten but I suspect it will remain the same.
Don't quick attackers deliberately kick the ball away from slower defenders because they know they can out run and get the ball how they want it, and where they want it. The plodding defenders have no choice but to take down the player, that should be the criteria. Only just found this channel, but I've been thinking these thoughts for decades, cheers mate 👍 👏
The referee had a clear view on the whole thing. He speaks to his linesman and they both agree on the decision. What VAR did was basically re-referee that whole decision. I can understand if the refs view was blocked or something happened behind play, but this was just unnecessary. One ref says White was close and then another says on a still shot that he’s too far. They’re arguing against themselves
The question is whether VAR would have stopped play for Salah being dragged down if Nunez hadn’t scored the goal that Coote had waved as play on or if it would have gone with ref’s call?
When I watched the game I thought red but there was never enough evidence to overturn the yellow. Now I don’t think it’s a red at all. The ball could go anywhere.
The disappointing thing is that the Premier League is a global product. This is a product that is sold to all corners of the globe, but the people who own it (english fans) dont seem to be bothered by their product losing its shine due to bad officiating, all they are conerned about is sticking it to Robbie and company
If you’re looking for consistency in 50/50 decisions like the Saliba Tosin incidents you’ll never be happy because at the end of the day it’s subjective and 50/50 you’re KNITPICKING at the wrong thing
It's not a red simply because it's not a goal scoring opportunity - the foul literally happened near the half way line and the striker still has 50-60 yards to run through to goal. Should of stuck to a yellow. Tosin incident shouldn't be compared because there was cover by a Chelsea defender so they got that one correct but even that one again is not a goal scoring opportunity because of how far away from goal it is. If anything, Van Der Venn should be the one that has you asking, "where is the red card"
Terry is worried that the Assna fans will stop watching him now that his Assna are scary scam videos have been exposed as clickbait. So he has to make the Arsenal feel like victims.
The attacking player was going to be in possession of the ball around 25-30 yards from goal with the goalkeeper off his line. The attacker could shoot with his first touch or take it closer and then shoot. It was clear DOGSO. The VAR official was calm and looked at it closely and came to the correct decision. The Diego Jota decision was wrong , he was clear on goal the same way as the other attacking player. It was clear DOGSO and should have been a red card. I agree with you and the other instances should have also been red cards. Staying with the refs decision is nonsense , you may as well not have VAR if you are going to have that attitude. Let VAR do its job and come to the correct decision and not what the ref thought in the split second he had to see it. Whenever you have humans involved in decisions there will be inconsistencies and mistakes will be made. The PGMOL have to learn from their mistakes and try to be more consistent but it will never be perfect.
Stop the Tribalism !! Supporters of all clubs need to come together on this one - Tribalism is the only insurance cover PGMOL and the media have to prevent fan power from improving a game that is in the Sewer
And no-one is mentioning that semenyo had turn at the same time as White , and Evanison would have reach the ball first, maybe attack goal or use Semenyo.
Of course Arsenal were cheated but we’ve been getting ⛽️💡 all season CLEAR & OBVIOUS is when VAR intervention comes into play. The incident at Bournemouth was subjective so therefore the call that the on field ref made should have stood. At Anfield the following day where was the intervention of VAR & at Selhurst park with VDV? Also how is it that a known Liverpool supporter that can’t officiate Everton or Liverpool games allowed to officiate Arsenal? I still haven’t been able to get an answer.
Think the issue is they can't decide what VAR is for. Is it a ref re-reffing the game, is it for stuff that was missed or is it a tool for refs to make better decisions? Each one is different and needs different protocols. The Saliba one is a red but the others should have been too.
Coote wasn't going to give a foul, or a clear red card, for a professional foul on Salah last Saturday. Liverpool, and Coote imo, are lucky that Nunez went on to score. That's been swept under the PGMOL carpet. Sky, or their bought and paid for pundits, won't make waves.
Last year they did it to jones against Tottenham gave him a red when he had the ball poked from under his foot but the 3 LiverpoolI players got injured by players going over the top of the ball in a tackle and not ev3n a yellow you can go back as far thru the prem as you want its allways been the same
Jota was also pulling Tosins shirt. Had he not been doing that I don't believe Tosin brings him down. Yellow card offence. Not an inconsistent decision imo
@mrobolance143 well we can't say it wasn't mentioned. No audio has been released. It's not the same offence. I've also stated IMO so it's irrelevant if it was mentioned. That's why I believe it wasn't given as a red.
Your comment at about 11 minutes in about how they are absolutely certain about the red card for Saliba is what winds me up the most. It’s the same with that Stephen Warnock and the other idiots Ref Watch saying the same thing. For me, all these decisions are generally shades of grey And when they say one is absolutely red and the other is absolutely a yellow when they are very similar makes my blood boil. As you say, you could argue that they’re all red cards, but in the Arsenal game, I remember the referee took his time to decide on the yellow And the ref’s call should have stood.
The PGMOL have now become prophets - being able to see what would happen without it being a reality. How do they know what is likely to happen? The player may slip and never get control of the ball, the defender might make a sliding tackle early or a mole might pop out of the ground causing the shot to go to the corner flag. Jokers! PGMOL will try to split hairs with some load of nonsense in a pathetic attempt to justify these clear inconsistencies. As long as there isn’t an independent regulator for PGMOL, as well as powerful betting companies involved in the game then there will always be corruption in refereeing decisions. As for pundits and platforms like sky sports, they pick and choose (like VAR interference with refereeing decisions) what to highlight often playing politics. They don’t want to highlight these situations because it adds enormous pressure on PGMOL, it affects their shares in the premier league this effective the league’s value and they don’t want fans to become overly emotional to the point where things could get out of hand in retaliation. Such as the Turkish referee who was assaulted. We just want consistency. If one is a red card then don’t split hairs! All those situations need to be red cards. I would prefer that a tackle in the middle of the pitch like saliba’s not to be red cards because I feel it ruins the game. Let’s try to keep 11 v 11. We are too quick to dish out cards and penalties for every form of contact. Football has become boring.
LCF fan I have to say you are a very impartial person (whatched many of your post here over last few years) IE if something is wrong its wong doesn't matter what team it is I've seen bad decisions against man u IE the ball over the line (i think the other was Newcastle) There's in yours out i think But man u got done That's just one example of inconsistency City v Liverpool The boot to the chest of Alex McAllister All i want is to win the league fairly But its doesn't seem or feel like it is anymore
If we give sending offs from the halfway line like this there should be sending offs every week and there isn't and hasn't been, this is minority report refereeing, well if this this and this happened then this will happen it's pathetic, it's a yellow move on
The PGMOL’s handling of William Saliba’s red card, while correct under the DOGSO rule, exposes the glaring inconsistencies in officiating decisions. Similar incidents, like those involving Tosin and Van de Ven, were treated entirely differently despite appearing almost identical in context. This lack of uniformity raises serious questions about fairness and consistency.
Coupled with controversies like those involving David Coote, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that the PGMOL is not fit for purpose. Refereeing decisions feel arbitrary, with a lack of accountability or clear explanations, leaving fans frustrated and skeptical. Until the PGMOL prioritises consistency, transparency, and accountability, the integrity of the league will remain in question, and accusations of bias will only grow louder. Arsenal, like many clubs, deserves better. Football deserves better.
The statement "WE CHEATED ARSENAL" reflects my interpretation of the actions and decisions made by the PGMOL, particularly in light of the inconsistency displayed in their officiating.
So u say correct decision, but they were cheated in your title. How does that add up?
Ever since the PGMOL received the letter about Arsenal's dark arts they have refused to give Arsenal the benefit of the doubt, might be a coincidence but the refs are utter trash so who knows
@@djn1856 Its very easy to understand - The PGMOL’s handling of William Saliba’s red card, while correct under the DOGSO rule, exposes the glaring inconsistencies in officiating decisions. Similar incidents, like those involving Tosin and Van de Ven, were treated entirely differently despite appearing almost identical in context. This lack of uniformity raises serious questions about fairness and consistency.
Coupled with controversies like those involving David Coote, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that the PGMOL is not fit for purpose. Refereeing decisions feel arbitrary, with a lack of accountability or clear explanations, leaving fans frustrated and skeptical. Until the PGMOL prioritises consistency, transparency, and accountability, the integrity of the league will remain in question, and accusations of bias will only grow louder. Arsenal, like many clubs, deserves better. Football deserves better.
The statement "WE CHEATED ARSENAL" reflects my interpretation of the actions and decisions made by the PGMOL, particularly in light of the inconsistency displayed in their officiating.
@@TheFootballTerraceyou just copied the text🤣🤣🤣I agree with you though sport is all about the feeling and when the arbiters or fairness (referees) are controlling the feeling of the game, thats when you know change is needed
Even if there are similarities in the Saliba and Tosin scenario, the main different is where Colwill and White are. Colwill in a running position would have caught up to Jota who would have needed 1 or 2 sec to control the ball while Ben White is too far from catching Evanilson even if the Brazilian needed to take a first touch. Colwill being that close makes it less of a DOGSO than the arsenal one
Thanks Terry for setting aside tribalism to tackle these difficult topics. Well done.
Very welcome
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The important factor here is that they 're-refereed' the game. The AR1 says that "Ben White is too far, but Evanilson doesn't have control of the ball". Meaning they SAW where White was, but despite that, it was still too far from goal and the player didn't have the ball under control. The VAR got involved in a subjective call, something they aren't supposed to do. None of the reasoning of the AR and on field ref was incorrect, yet they still VAR'ed the decision.
Arsenal are always the "experiment", you'll repeatedly see us get reds and other poor decisions for things that you never see given again. Martinelli two yellows for one sequence of play, Rice and Trossard sent off for "delaying the restart" etc etc.
Very good point, they talk about not "re-reffing" games but every now and then they do.
Lfc fan. We can all highlight incidents where our team has been wronged tbh. Ultimately the system isn’t working and needs improving for everyone. Even the new tech being used in La Liga isn’t full proof after the Lewendowski offside ruling this weekend showed, but its still a lot better than what we have here and is a step in the right direction. Will it ever be perfect, probably not as a lot of decisions will have an element of subjectivity.
@@1972dsrai well everyone except City
Really good point. Judging by the number of similar incidents that ended in a yellow card the Saliba incident should then have ended in a yellow as that call by the ref is not a "clear and obvious" error, it's a judgement call.
@@1972dsraiyeah but a few teams get bulk of the wrong decisions. Why is that?
Recently, United, Liverpool, arsenal, wolves are all getting unlucky af. Every few weeks. Not sure why that is though
Arsenal fan here. We got a dubious penalty given against us when we played Inter in the CL. Really harsh handball. I wasn’t mad though coz it’s a decision that’s consistently given in the CL. See where I’m going here? We just want consistency!
I was going to come back at you here until I read the second half of your comment. Respect
This is no where near the same as the chelsea defender on Jota btw
100% facts bro. I never feel like I moan at champions league refs. They have stinkers and good games but for both teams (unless you’re Madrid lol).
In the prem it genuinely feels like bullying. Every single game we get extremely poor calls consistently against us pretty much every week. And then we get told every time that we are wrong for feeling like we got done over. Clowns
@@40yearoldvirgil15 How is it different?
@@40yearoldvirgil15 how about van de ven pulling down the crystal palace attacker. The spurs and crystal palace scenerio was worse, the attacker was closer to the ball and right outside the penalty box
The focus here is on the glaring inconsistencies in refereeing decisions, which should concern all fans regardless of club loyalty. Allowing tribalism to dominate the conversation only serves to distract from the real issue and ultimately benefits the PGMOL by deflecting accountability. Instead of turning this into a club-versus-club debate, we should unite in holding the decision-makers to higher standards. Addressing these inconsistencies is vital for the integrity of the game, and as fans, we must rise above petty rivalries to demand better from those in charge of officiating.
This inconsistencies is affecting every team in the premier league NOT just Arsenal as you always makes it look like.
Terry you talking about inconsistencies but what similar play are you comparing this video audio too this season? Also, you don't educate yourself every season on the new rules and tweaks towards rules and laws, something that was said last season might be judge differently this season.
Every time VAR gets involved against Arsenal it’s as if they are trying to find a way to screw them over! Trossard, Rice and Saliba red cards have all been VAR overturning on field decision. Then you see the lack of consistency with other games and the VAR not being equally as harsh against other teams for exactly the same offences! It’s terribly refereeing
Those 3 all where reds!!! Rice knew exactly what he was doing. All the antics comes from arteta however no doubt..
All actually red cards
@@relax9674That’s not what Slynmy is saying you clown.
@ they were harsh reds! Yes they were reds but very harsh reds that referees did not replicate in other games. Arsenal fans have reason to feel hard done by this season.
It's a red if all similar offences are reds.
By rights even Salibas (Which is a red in my eyes) isn't a red based on other calls that weekend..
I gave up on VAR when Doku's studs in the chest challenge didn't get penalised. I was a supporter before that but the implementation is just so bad.
Well done. Fans needs to stand together on this, but that is not the case. Everything is okey in the eye of the biased, and this is truly harming the integrity of the game.
It is pointless having Webb, Gallagher or any other former ref justifying the referees decisions weeks after the event.
The footage could have easily been made available immediately after the game. And the referee himself should have been available after the game to speak up for himself as to why he made his decisions
Webb needs time to rehearse justifying every decision, and I.M sure sky also need rehearsal time as well, these shows aren’t run like live news it’s just pgmol propaganda.
Terry talking the truths that big channels avoid 👏
If a red had been given on field, I wouldn’t argue it. But with a yellow given, I don’t see how it’s overturned, especially when considering all the other incidents. VAR is for clear & obvious errors, not refereeing.
Lfc fan. The one thing we all need to get away from is tribalism and I appreciate you staying impartial and not just highlighting incidents where Utd were wronged. Having just seen the Lewendowski offside clearly La Liga doesn’t have it all figured out yet, but its still a step in the right direction. Maybe we just need to get back to a point where the attacker is given the BOD when they’re very close. If its just a tip of a toe it should be given. Hope what Collina said about it is taken seriously.
He ceased to be a United fan a long time ago. He's become a fully fledged Arsenal propaganda merchant and has been for a while and is probably enjoying his Arsenal stardom in swinging London.
@@crooner4848 Who’d want to switch to Arsenal tbf? Most fickle bunch of fans ever. Can’t decide if they want Arteta to stay or go. It swings every time they lose a couple.
@@1972dsrai that's it, scape goat us based on people on Twitter - ignorant you must be. Have met some quite ridiculous Liverpool fans in my time, they exist in every fan base
100% people always look over that all the fans are moaning about are inconsistencies not the actual officiating itself. Letter of the law only seems to apply to some teams
PGMOL always find reasons to justify why Arsenal players should be sent off.😂
Atleast terry isnt afraid to tackle the difficult topics
It is important to discuss these matters, I do not believe this about giving clubs excuses or reason to fail, but would make the game better for all
Gillet Desperate to find reasons to change Ref's mind. Ref and Assistant both thought white gets their easily. Gillet supports who? and who were arsenal playing the following week
It’s not a red. What the refs said on the pitch was correct. It was clearly just a yellow.
Thats a fair point
Haha No way
@@TheFootballTerraceHow is it a fair point when you said in your video it's a red
Last man fouling the attacker has always been a red. Had all of these instances been red no one would be complaining. The inconsistency is the issue not the red card.
I don’t want to hear how it all averages out because it doesn’t. So many dropped points around contentious ref decisions for arsenal over the last couple of years.
As an Arsenal fan the issue here is the harsh bias and inconsistences. For our 3 red cards other teams did similar offences in the league, sometimes in the very same game and leniency was shown. It's not even debatable! There is clear refereeing bias against Arsenal and it started under Wenger. Rival fans and trolls love to see it until the nonsense bites their own team.
There needs to be a independent oversight panel that reviews the PGMOL's own oversight panel.
The PGMOL reeks of mass corruption. This has serious implications for all teams, not just for those in the UK but for all teams competing in major football tournaments right across Europe. Every single game where PGMOL referees were in charge of Champions League, Europa League, should be looked at by UEFA. The PGMOL should be investigated for serious corruption. All the officials in the PGMOL should be investigated by UEFA or a separate impartial independent football organisation. The supporters of all clubs here in the UK and all across Europe need to stand together as one on this or the beautiful game will forever be tainted.
SPOT ON again Terry - Keep calling out their lies
Obviously they are Bias, it's very annoying how much inconsistencies we have in the premier League. Very poor poor poor, there is more to it.
As a Chelsea fan when I was watching the Liverpool game and saw that I thought he was going off cause of the Arsenal game the day before
Why didn't VAR intervention when Ødegaard played basketball ball in the penalty area?
It's because they hate Liverpool more. If they give that red, then Liverpool wins easily, which Cootes and PGMOL won't like.
Being a soccer fan at this level is amazing . I am an Arsenal fan but these days I prefer fairness even if it is for Man United . Let the football speak within the Terrace . This Channel rocks !
I agree with Terry.Although i would argue that it's not Arsenal that was cheated(correct decision) but it was the other teams that were not given the correct decision
If Arsenal were the only team punished for an offense while others committing the same offense went unpunished, then yes, Arsenal were cheated by the inconsistency. The issue isn’t the correctness of Saliba’s red card-it’s the unequal application of the rules. Challenging these inconsistencies isn’t manipulative; it’s about holding decision-makers accountable to the standards they set.
But I get your point about Palalce and Liverpool
@@TheFootballTerrace Yes that's why i agree with ur analysis! All i am saying is the standards must be set by the correct decisions(which Arsenal's was) iF the basis is correct then we can judge them and hold them accountable easier and more precise
By far the most important football channel regarding these current affairs. Personal biases and opinions aside as a Liverpool fan, if you define a red card in the saliba challenge, the tosin one is the same, the van de ven one is the same, the saka one is the same. I’d be happy as a Liverpool fan if the tosin one was a red card, we won the game but it would’ve eased the pressure almost certainly. But if the saliba one was given and stayed a yellow, i could have no complaints. Just requires clarity and a black and white objective definition so that you avoid this biased viewpoint.
We gotta get this sorted for the love of the game! Good work Terry 💯💪🏾
the Saliba audio and the way they broke it down was brilliant in my opinion.. but still inconsistent with other decisions later on.. therefore incorrect as more than one incident treated differently, surely the Saliba one was outlier and treated inconsistently..
Were you at the Bournemouth game?
Your channel is one of the few that really enjoys the quality of content. Keep it up!😹🐆🔥
Sorry, but I'm not taking anything that comes out of Howard Webbs mouth serious. I mean this guys the same guy who left his wife and 3 kids for that female German referee. Therefore a cheat. Once a cheat always a cheat.
Great video Terry.....think it's pretty obvious that this 'Boy's Club' of referees needs disbanding for good and new personnel and processes put in place. They are just an absolute shambles and most of the time, it comes across as either utter ineptness OR pure dishonesty !!
I really believe that the premier league is corrupt. Why only the teams that are challenging Man City are getting robbed. And why are there no controversies against Man City.
They never take any blame for inconsistencies, and say these calls are wrong. They say "a different outcome should have selected" . No accountability.
if it goes against Arsenal that should be ok because they are just a horrible club with even worse fans
Good job with your analysis. Unfortunately I think fans are so inundated with wrong decisions that there's just this awful feeling that matches these days are often ruined by referees, Every time a match comes around, you just pray for a good referee to do justice on the pitch, not just how well the game itself is played.
Tribalism is not going to work for “real” football fans, until the pgmol sort their shit out we have a league that is in disrepute. How has football got so mudded in 5-10 years when it worked fine for 120-150 years. Crazy
Love the content bro, keep on keeping on
The fact that rugby, with a fraction of the financial power is able to officiate to a much more consistent and higher standard than football is damning to the PGMOL.
If refs can't red conzistently they 'd see the reds, go home and watch like us.
Why does it takes time to release this audio? This audio is doctored PGMOL is corrupt. How come it takes more than a month to release the audio
I don't believe it's a case of Arsenal being robbed. I believe that Liverpool were the next day. The presidence was set. There was a recent incident, that not many disputed, the day before when Saliba was sent off. Poor refereeing standards again. No consistency!! Ban VAR until referees have learned consistency.
That said, your point about Liverpool being robbed as well is valid, and it’s not something I discredit. I’ve acknowledged this in previous conversations-it just wasn’t the focus of this particular video. The broader issue here is that inconsistencies like these affect multiple teams, not just Arsenal, and it’s fair to question why the rules are not applied equally.
Also mate, VAR claimed the Jota incident was too far from goal and that Jota wasn’t in control of the ball. Yet, these same reasons weren’t applied to Saliba’s. Regardless of my opinion on whether it’s a red or not, how can such inconsistency exist when these factors are objective?
But this should've been talked about with the same energy last season when Liverpool had 3 red cards in 4 games? Maybe it won't be as it is now.....@TheFootballTerrace
I 100% agree. All 4 reds. Tribalism takes over and everyone wants to make themselves the victim
i was celebrating when jota went down, ten years ago the ref would have had the red card out in a millie second. absolute joke.
When identical ‘red card’ decisions only affect one team then we have a big problem. That by definition is not a fair playing field and Arsenal fans therefore have a right to feel hard done by.
I'm really liking these videos you're currently doing re the PGMOL issues and general refereeing standards.
My fear is that Mr Coote will be used as a scapegoat to detract from the issues that really need to be looked into. It all needs to be torn up and rewritten but I suspect it will remain the same.
Don't quick attackers deliberately kick the ball away from slower defenders because they know they can out run and get the ball how they want it, and where they want it.
The plodding defenders have no choice but to take down the player, that should be the criteria.
Only just found this channel, but I've been thinking these thoughts for decades, cheers mate 👍 👏
When you listen to Howard Webb regarding those 2 incidents then objectively there was no robbery.
If i was rich id take the PGMOL to court so they can only be named GMOL because they surely can’t call themselves professional.
Wait a minute a sport with huge amounts of subjectivity has inconsistencies? Shock horror.
The referee had a clear view on the whole thing. He speaks to his linesman and they both agree on the decision. What VAR did was basically re-referee that whole decision. I can understand if the refs view was blocked or something happened behind play, but this was just unnecessary. One ref says White was close and then another says on a still shot that he’s too far. They’re arguing against themselves
yeah this is mess. absolutely outrageous.
The question is whether VAR would have stopped play for Salah being dragged down if Nunez hadn’t scored the goal that Coote had waved as play on or if it would have gone with ref’s call?
When I watched the game I thought red but there was never enough evidence to overturn the yellow. Now I don’t think it’s a red at all. The ball could go anywhere.
The disappointing thing is that the Premier League is a global product. This is a product that is sold to all corners of the globe, but the people who own it (english fans) dont seem to be bothered by their product losing its shine due to bad officiating, all they are conerned about is sticking it to Robbie and company
"Underhand" is an understatement 😂😂
If you’re looking for consistency in 50/50 decisions like the Saliba Tosin incidents you’ll never be happy because at the end of the day it’s subjective and 50/50 you’re KNITPICKING at the wrong thing
Terry don't get tired, don't give up. Hopefully one day things might improve
It's not a red simply because it's not a goal scoring opportunity - the foul literally happened near the half way line and the striker still has 50-60 yards to run through to goal. Should of stuck to a yellow. Tosin incident shouldn't be compared because there was cover by a Chelsea defender so they got that one correct but even that one again is not a goal scoring opportunity because of how far away from goal it is. If anything, Van Der Venn should be the one that has you asking, "where is the red card"
Wasn't even a foul , minimum contact & the Bournemouth striker played for a red because he knew he wasn't outpacing Saliba
Even though he’s faster than Saliba?
So why didn't Arsenal appeal the red card?
Terry is worried that the Assna fans will stop watching him now that his Assna are scary scam videos have been exposed as clickbait. So he has to make the Arsenal feel like victims.
The PGMOL is simply unfit for purpose, as is VAR in it's current implementation.
Basically whatever team they think will be contending at the top against 115 FC. That team will get hammered by the officials
The attacking player was going to be in possession of the ball around 25-30 yards from goal with the goalkeeper off his line. The attacker could shoot with his first touch or take it closer and then shoot. It was clear DOGSO. The VAR official was calm and looked at it closely and came to the correct decision.
The Diego Jota decision was wrong , he was clear on goal the same way as the other attacking player. It was clear DOGSO and should have been a red card. I agree with you and the other instances should have also been red cards.
Staying with the refs decision is nonsense , you may as well not have VAR if you are going to have that attitude. Let VAR do its job and come to the correct decision and not what the ref thought in the split second he had to see it.
Whenever you have humans involved in decisions there will be inconsistencies and mistakes will be made. The PGMOL have to learn from their mistakes and try to be more consistent but it will never be perfect.
These weirdos even giving every 50/50 to teams that play against Arsenal
Stop the Tribalism !! Supporters of all clubs need to come together on this one - Tribalism is the only insurance cover PGMOL and the media have to prevent fan power from improving a game that is in the Sewer
And no-one is mentioning that semenyo had turn at the same time as White , and Evanison would have reach the ball first, maybe attack goal or use Semenyo.
Doesn't matter Terry we all know they treat Arsenal different
Of course Arsenal were cheated but we’ve been getting ⛽️💡 all season CLEAR & OBVIOUS is when VAR intervention comes into play. The incident at Bournemouth was subjective so therefore the call that the on field ref made should have stood. At Anfield the following day where was the intervention of VAR & at Selhurst park with VDV? Also how is it that a known Liverpool supporter that can’t officiate Everton or Liverpool games allowed to officiate Arsenal? I still haven’t been able to get an answer.
Think the issue is they can't decide what VAR is for. Is it a ref re-reffing the game, is it for stuff that was missed or is it a tool for refs to make better decisions? Each one is different and needs different protocols.
The Saliba one is a red but the others should have been too.
im getting worried / Could there be a ref strike or player strike or FANS PROTESTING?
Ollie won't give Liverpool a decision, no surprise. Same ref who wouldn't give Kovacic yellows against Arsenal?
Terry u are great....
This is opening old wounds; this people clearly has it out for arsenal
Just simplify the rule: is he the last man, yes: red card
The reason they overcomplicate the rules is so they can cheat and Var has exposed that
Coote wasn't going to give a foul, or a clear red card, for a professional foul on Salah last Saturday. Liverpool, and Coote imo, are lucky that Nunez went on to score. That's been swept under the PGMOL carpet. Sky, or their bought and paid for pundits, won't make waves.
Webb should just resign. The pgmol is an absolute embarrassment to the league
I thought they got to right decision on red card, with foul on forward running through.
Honeslty lost complete interest in watching PL games, between the streaming services and the refs, games are literally unwatchable.
Last year they did it to jones against Tottenham gave him a red when he had the ball poked from under his foot but the 3 LiverpoolI players got injured by players going over the top of the ball in a tackle and not ev3n a yellow you can go back as far thru the prem as you want its allways been the same
Jota was also pulling Tosins shirt. Had he not been doing that I don't believe Tosin brings him down. Yellow card offence. Not an inconsistent decision imo
VAR didn't mention it so it wasn't taken into account, hence can't use it as evidence. The two fouls were the exact same
@mrobolance143 well we can't say it wasn't mentioned. No audio has been released. It's not the same offence. I've also stated IMO so it's irrelevant if it was mentioned. That's why I believe it wasn't given as a red.
The beautiful game is under attack. Football sucks right now the way the refs dictate these games
@TheJollySailor
1000%
The colour of the card is too much, so much so that when in another game a yellow was give fairly was brought into the argument
Someone's trying to deflect because he's the head of a group not fit for purpose,
Where's Web's videos?
Your comment at about 11 minutes in about how they are absolutely certain about the red card for Saliba is what winds me up the most. It’s the same with that Stephen Warnock and the other idiots Ref Watch saying the same thing. For me, all these decisions are generally shades of grey And when they say one is absolutely red and the other is absolutely a yellow when they are very similar makes my blood boil. As you say, you could argue that they’re all red cards, but in the Arsenal game, I remember the referee took his time to decide on the yellow And the ref’s call should have stood.
It's clear referees have a vendetta against arteta
SoppyBollocksMedia still waffling weak excuses
SoppyBollocksMedia is weak
When you all realize each refs are different and think differently is the day you'll will repent
Ben white could have got back to defend the ball but alot of other payers fro teams Ave done thesame as saiba but only getting yellow cards
Anyone with out their Arsenal bias can see Saliba was a red Toshin wasn’t , nothing to see here unless ur a salty Arsenal fan
This farmers league( EPL) has become a circus, i,m done
The PGMOL have now become prophets - being able to see what would happen without it being a reality. How do they know what is likely to happen? The player may slip and never get control of the ball, the defender might make a sliding tackle early or a mole might pop out of the ground causing the shot to go to the corner flag. Jokers!
PGMOL will try to split hairs with some load of nonsense in a pathetic attempt to justify these clear inconsistencies.
As long as there isn’t an independent regulator for PGMOL, as well as powerful betting companies involved in the game then there will always be corruption in refereeing decisions.
As for pundits and platforms like sky sports, they pick and choose (like VAR interference with refereeing decisions) what to highlight often playing politics. They don’t want to highlight these situations because it adds enormous pressure on PGMOL, it affects their shares in the premier league this effective the league’s value and they don’t want fans to become overly emotional to the point where things could get out of hand in retaliation. Such as the Turkish referee who was assaulted.
We just want consistency. If one is a red card then don’t split hairs! All those situations need to be red cards. I would prefer that a tackle in the middle of the pitch like saliba’s not to be red cards because I feel it ruins the game. Let’s try to keep 11 v 11. We are too quick to dish out cards and penalties for every form of contact. Football has become boring.
LCF fan
I have to say you are a very impartial person (whatched many of your post here over last few years)
IE if something is wrong its wong doesn't matter what team it is
I've seen bad decisions against man u
IE the ball over the line (i think the other was Newcastle)
There's in yours out i think
But man u got done
That's just one example of inconsistency
City v Liverpool
The boot to the chest of
Alex McAllister
All i want is to win the league fairly
But its doesn't seem or feel like it is anymore
We all know they cheating arsenal
Check complete check complete....
Well Its nothing new, its just pgmol clearly don't know how to do there Job . Why don't they ask referee outside of England or is that impossible?
Ben White has the fastest top speed of all players at Arsenal. Would have got back. Not clear and obvious
Ben "Won Nothing" Whites also got the top speed of any player letting his country down too
That is clear & obvious
ARSENAL in caps love to see it
Is it just me or has every team in the Premier League been cheated by PGMOL except Manchester City?
If we give sending offs from the halfway line like this there should be sending offs every week and there isn't and hasn't been, this is minority report refereeing, well if this this and this happened then this will happen it's pathetic, it's a yellow move on