Someone described the majority of state/territorial flags as SOS (seals on a sheet). It unfortunately aptly describes Kansas’ flag. Until 1960, it only had the State Seal without the state name. I think our state’s flag would be less busy sans the state name.
I'm from Florida and I've literally never heard of anyone thinking the flag has to do with the CSA. Everyone here accepts it as symbolising our centuries of Spanish roots, Spanish named cities, and large Spanish speaking population :)
Interesting, as a Texan living in Alabama that’s the first thing I see with the nearly identical Alabama flag. I guess it’s truly just whatever the individual person sees. I do totally get the Spanish heritage part. Edit: “that” being the battle flag of the CSA
JJ, I lived in Florida from 1971 to 2000, and you have left out an important aspect of the history of Florida's flag. The flag originally adopted in 1868 consisted of the State seal on a white background. There was concern that, from a distance, it appeared to be a flag of surrender. So, in 1900, the design was changed to insert the Cross of St. Andrew, as it added color to the flag.
I was always taught the cross on the Florida cross represents the Spanish flag, It never once crossed my mind that it was a reference to the confederacy.
As an Arkansan and flag buff, I am somewhat surprised at how little I hear the flag controversy discussed. I think this is probably because the actual meaning of the stars is pretty obscure, and usually only other flag buffs know about it. The minimalist reform you were talking about was proposed in the legislature in the last session, but it didn't get anywhere. If I had to guess, I would say that the same proposal will pass next session and that Asa will sign it (especially since in Arkansas the legislature only needs a simple majority in both Houses to overturn a veto). I would say one thing about the current flag design that would give it the most popular support is actually the diamond. Arkansas being the only state with an active diamond mine is actually a big source of state pride and identity. We have pictures of diamonds on our license plates and state quarter, and it is officially the state gemstone. One thing not connected to the Confederacy I hope they change though is that we have our state's name written on the flag. No flag should have writing on it! Also: I'm a huge fan of Atun-Shei Films. It blew my mind when I heard his voice in your video!
Damn straight! Our flag would be beautiful so long as we dont have god-awful writing on it. What makes it even worse though?: When Chinese made-flags have the word "Arkansas" written in black ink instead of blue! I had to suffer through flying a flag like that a couple of times because I couldn't find our actual flag anywhere else.
I am not American so need to ask - how long is it between these 'sessions'? Did anything come of it this time if that next session has happened already? I'm guessing not as I haven't heard anything about an Arkansas flag change as of yet!
@Boston Hostetler Ah, sorry. The original commenter said that they think the 'same proposal will pass next session and that Asa will sign it'. I was just wondering if that 'next session' has happened yet or when it is expected to happen.
Hey JJ, I was just going to add that the Saltire flags of Alabama and Florida are in the style of St Andrew’s flag due to the design of the cross. But both flags, especially the Alabama flag are more in line with the Cross of St Patrick due to the Red Cross and white background. Cheers!
Almost all of America's state flags are terrible and confusing (if not worse). You can hardly tell the difference. Just look at a chart of state flags, and see how many break these rules for a good flag: nava.org/digital-library/design/GFBF_English.pdf
Why on Earth was the Texas flag shown as Controversial? It has remained unchanged since 1839 as the flag of the Republic of Texas so predates by 21 years anything Confederate related.
I don't think the Texas one is offensive at all, the only offensive flag to me is Mississippi. It's not completely terrible, but I mean, c'mon, there's no good excuse for the prominent Confederate flag on the state flag.
@@hyperion3145 well let me educate you because you are mistaken. If you grew up in Texas you would know because we're taking entire full year of Texas State history in school. Texas fought for the constitution of 1824 and was not the only Mexican state trying to succeed at the time over the oppressive dictatorship of Santa Anna. The other two rebellions failed however. Also the lose of political autonomy when the states of Coahuila and Texas were combined given Texas only one seat in the new state legislature which riled up the Tejanos who are the Mexican-born residents of Texas. They played a major role in the revolution. When Santa Anna overthrow the Federal Government Texans initially revolted to fight against the coup and for the rightful elected government. As for Slavery it was outlawed in 1829 and the revolution occurred in 1835-1836. Please refrain from slandering the Lone Star State and its Flag in yhe future.
I lived in Alabama. The flag never once crossed our minds that it represents the Confederate symbol. It's more of a tribute to the Spanish roots of the state.
Here's our state's official description of our flag: "Crimson St. Andrew's saltire in a field of white". You are correct about the Spanish roots. Southern Alabama was under Spanish rule briefly, and it influenced us greatly.
As a Floridian I have to say since we have over years drifted away from the confederacy and closer to Spanish colonialism(Thanks to our large Hispanic population), I’m pretty sure it’s based on Spain rather than the confederates.
exactly, if they wanted it to be based on the confederate flag they would have added some blue and stars, but even the color scheme with the red and gold matches the Spanish flag.
I think it’s a little stupid to get offended over Alabama and Florida, just because they use the same cross, that’s like saying Scotland’s flag is linked to the confederacy.
Exactly! As someone who lives in Alabama, and goes to Florida enough to call it a second home, I can confirm I have never met a single person here offended by our flags. Floridians are actually quite proud of the history of their flag. Most people in Alabama don't really care, it's just there. I am from a part of Alabama very close to Florida, my area was literally part of Spanish Florida at one point. (And British west florida). So I appreciate my state's flag more than most.
I read the statement that the govt made. They basically said the confederate flag was included only for racist reasons and that it’s existence on the Mississippi state flag did not represent the values of a civilized society.
no controversies? you have a triangle missing from your triangle flag! All honesty tho there is much higher cost in making your flag vs the easy rectangles the rest of us have. So that's something lol. It is solid tho XD
Florida Native here. I was always taught in school about the Spanish influence on the State i.e. being originally claimed by Ponce De Leon as a Spanish settlement, or St Augustine being the oldest settlement in the America. For me, I do not view the State flag as having a connection to the confederacy, but I can understand why people may see it as controversial.
0:53- 1:33 Interesting, cause here in Brasil, more specific in the city of Americana, in the countryside of the state of São Paulo, they often have Southern celabrations with that flag. The city, of course, was found by exiled confedered soldiers in the middle of the 19 century. To more on that, i recomend Masaman's vídeo on this subject.
@@alfrredd There was a group of confederates that immigrated to Brazil because they were told they could continue using slaves there. They were still shitty confederates.
My dad was a missionary in Americana and found it really weird when a man opened the door who was more red-headed than he was. There are a lot of confederate hiding places like that people don't know about.
The fort is spelled “Sumter.” Correction on the Civil War-era parties. The Democrats split, north and south, because only the southerners were secessionist. The split is what allowed the Republicans to win the election.
@אני תומך בישראל Ani’ mi Elohim, ve Depends. There were War Democrats who were in favor of the reintroducing the CSA to the Union and there were Copperhead Democrats that wanted the South to have it's own way.
Actually the Hapsburg rule of America was really liberal with native Americans and outlawed enslaving them. The thing of Spanish supremacy over America started with the Bourbons who centralised the government towards to the Iberian interests over the rest of the empire's one, something that eventually led to Latin-American nationalism and independence
Princess of Laughter Pinkie Pie which is technically correct, that isn’t what St. Andrew’s cross looks like. To be precise, they took off the arrows so the flag wouldn’t get too busy with the stars inside the cross. Without the stars inside the cross, Alabama can just redesign their flag to the real St. Andrew’s cross in honor of the position of Spanish as the second language of the United States.
Florida did confirm that it was inspired by the Burgundian Cross because Florida is proud of their Spanish heritage. There is circumstantial evidence that the Alabama flag is based on a Confederate flag carried by troops from that state as it is referenced in the design committee's notes, but there is nothing that outright says it is.
I live in Pennsylvania's state capitol. You don't have to drive far -- in any direction into the rural areas around the city -- to discover someone flying the Confederate battle flag. Which is remarkable, because, um, Gettysburg. And the fact that Pennsylvania was a Union state. I don't recall it being this way 30 years ago. Definitely seems like a more recent phenomenon.
I know a year is a very short amount of time, but it has been a pretty eventful year in terms of Confederate imagery. I was wondering, how do your sightings of the flag a year ago compare to now? Still around the same, less sightings, more sightings? Or has it not really been something you've been paying attention to? Aha
@@intecrisis To be fair it has more to due with an overbearing federal government crippling its citizens than anything to due with racism or slavery. Trump flags better symbolizes the fight against this corrupt machine then the democrats own battle flag.
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 To quote the vice president of the confederacy: "(the constitution's) ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew." Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea (of; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition." Get out of here with your false wishful thinking history. Also democrats have never run the battle flag anywhere and it is also not the party pushing to keep the battle flag in any state, if anything the opposite. If you can't own up to your own political beliefs and instead choose to strawman people with false history it means you're ashamed
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 I think you should maybe do some research into the civil war and learn the actual history and not just whatever bs you've been fed, because big surprise, it was about racial superiority and slavery, and a state's supposed right to enshrine those beliefs.
I had no idea the Georgia flag was a Confederate flag until my dad and I visited Fort Sumter, and he pointed out one of their flags was basically our flag. I was shocked, mainly because I always associated the stars and bars as the only Confederate flag. Also, bless Zell Miller. He's the reason I don't have to pay tuition for college, and for that I am internally grateful.
It’s sad because even if their symbolism is offensive and represents bad things southern flags are the best designed flags in the country. Like, most everywhere else is just a blank background, a name, and a coat of arms
@@squal6216 nobody said it should snowflake, he is just stating an obvious fact that a confederate inspired flag is BETTER LOOKING than a boring coat of arms on a blue sheet
I agree, some of the better designed flags in this country are in the Southern and Southwest states. Simple and distinguishable, unlike most flags up in northern or midwest states with their basic seal on blue background. Knowing that my state flag, Texas, is recognizable to even non-Americans is something I take an odd sense of pride in.
Being a hispanic that currently is in Florida, I don't think that the flag is particularly pretty, but it would be pretty cool to keep the roots of the Spanish rule, more because of the increasing Spanish speaking people in the state. I know some Floridians with latino roots like that the state started very similar to the countries a lot of them came from, making Florida some sort of "Latin American Country"
we could make it even more spanish, why not change it to the burgundian cross with the cool notches instead of one with straight lines? we could even make it orange or orange and green cause of florida agriculture. the current one has always felt just too confederate for me, not something that really brings a lot of pride to me as a floridian.
Matthew De La Riva I think we have to keep some southern heritage, though. It’s important to remember our roots as a southern state. We can still do that without being excessively “confederate”.
I'm always confused why people leave a place for somewhere they prefer, but still wish it was more like the place they left. Why leave in the first place then?
@@lngvly22 I grew up in North Carolina and I have to say there is more to the South than just the Confederacy. People who think they need that Civil War crap to be southern have no idea what being southern actually is.
Revert Revertz there is no official spec version of the Magnolia Flag. All the historical examples of Magnolia Flags have major design variations simply because of vague language in the original 1861 flag bill. Hopefully though you are not thinking of the awful UCV flag which was made possibly decades after, and only had a thin red stripe on the fly. (And has no historical precedent) Like I said before though, there are quite a few varieties to choose from already.
Luke Porras The thin red stripe on the fly is actually a reference to what’s called “the Blood-Stained Banner,” one of the Confederacy’s flags adopted towards the end of the war.
It was disgusting. I personally don't like the 1956 flag as it was too garish, but I'm sure most people would have taken it over the ugly Barnes' flag. The 2003 flag is much nicer, and combines Confederate symbolism without it being in your face, so it appeases everyone.
@@dasbubba841 Also the new one has the state seal, which as a Georgian I really like because it looks cool, it’s simple enough to keep on a flag, and the guy on it looks bored as fuck lol
I was born and raised in Alaska, and we cherish our flag. I currently live in Florida, and I still identify myself as an Alaskan, who is a Florida resident. I fully intend on moving back to the Last Frontier as soon as I can. Little side note, Alaska has the best state song and flag, you can't change my mind!
@@thedigitalodometer945 nah, Alaska is enveloped by the deep blue night sky more than any other state by far, also the emptiness of space makes it feel colder as well, which is a very Alaskan thing. Flag represents the state very well. Plus the Alaskan night sky is always something tourist enjoy a lot, we do have the aurora borealis but I think that would be too complex for flag design. The simplicity of the flag really does match the simplicity of the state.
Not really his idea fully. TH-cam has been demonetizing videos with controversial flags and if you depend on TH-cam revenue for a living, demonitization is something you really want to avoid. Unfortunately, freedom of the press doesn't apply when someone else (in this case TH-cam) owns the press you're using.
He didn’t censor anything, at the very end it was in jest after he’d shown it already, and at the beginning it’s kind of to build suspense and not spoil it if you’re not familiar with the flags
@@TheBabyDerp the saint patrick cross represents northern ireland in the union jack but the actual flag, the ulster banner, is inspired by the saint george's flag adding the red hand of ulster
@@hadaward_dk That's because the St Patrick Cross in the Union Flag/Jack was originally meant to symbolise Ireland as a whole, but since now only Northern Ireland is part of the UK, and the Republic of Ireland has its own, different flag, it has come to symbolise just Northern Ireland instead.
I don't live in a state with a controversial flag, but I live in a country with one. The Australian flag has been questioned more times than I can count, but no one can think of a better one to replace it with. It seems New Zealand has the same probably but at least they actually tried with their referendum. Our politicians don't even go near it because it's just too difficult to deal with.
Aloha JJ! I think we ought to talk abut Hawaii’s state flag. It’s got the Union Jack in the corner, and the story on the street is that when Cook showed up, King Kamehameha took a liking to the design because he thought it “looked cool”. These days most non-native Hawaiian people sort of ignore the unusual presence of British symbolism, and we don’t think about it much, but the native Hawaiian people despise it. You often see it hung upside-down in Hawaii, usually displayed in proximity to the Native Hawaiian flag.
As Western nations we can choose which parts of our history to honour with flags and statues, while still remembering all of it. That's a luxury some nations don't have, where their governments choose what's remembered and enforce their own symbols. China comes to mind, as does Japan.
Phillip Porter Removing symbols immediately after a regime falls is different. In the West there’s this weird focus on getting rid of any problematic symbol, even if it has existed for centuries. A better (but extreme) non-western example would be the Cultural Revolution in China.
As soon as I heard Gov. Miller's voice I clicked the description as I recognized Atun-Shei Films voice anywhere and it was confirmed almost immediately. I love that guy he makes great videos
Soon the flag of Alaska will be seen as a flag of bigotry since the consolation resembles a pan, which is offensive to non-pansexuals (and pansexuals too). I am not racist nor do I disagree with The cause of the protestors, but man do some people have nothing to do.
Soon the flag of Alaska will be seen as a flag of bigotry since the consolation resembles a pan, which is offensive to non-pansexuals (and pansexuals too). I am not racist nor do I disagree with The cause of the protestors, but man do some people have nothing to do.
I’m from Tennessee and apparently there’s now people saying we need to get rid of our tri-star flag. Honestly it’s kind of surprising since its main meaning is to represent East, Middle, and Western Tennessee.
A lot of Scotts and Irish come to Tennessee so should they put up a McDonald sign even though The founders of the company the McDonald brothers went bankrupt and company was taken over by a Ray Kroc. Maybe McDonalds new company sign should be a crocodile and just call the company Croc's.
12:01 Dark side of Spanish colonialism? Pardon me? Spanish Florida was a safe haven for freed Slaves back in the late XVIII century and early XIX century, not to say the natives (Seminole) were under protection of the Spanish Crown, and Florida is home of the first free african-american soldier reigments, that fought for Spain and for their freedom during that period, and Fort Mose in Florida was the first free African settlement legally sanctioned in what would become the United States, back in the Spanish period too. The American and confederate periods are objectively way worse and dark if you ask me or any Floridian. Still pretty good video.
Yeah! Idk why people are so worked up about the Florida flag, and also (from a Floridian local) what you are saying is true! Like people need to research about Spanish Florida.
In Alabama, it never really occurred to me that the flag could be possibly related to the confederacy. Or Spain. I thought it was more reminiscent of Scotland and England. Really don't see it changing, though. I won't say everyone's madly in love with it, but if you try to change it, we'll all be madly in love with it.
It isn't related to the confederacy. It is literally reminiscent of Scotland and England. That's why they put it there! Here's our state's official flag description: "Crimson St. Andrew's saltire in a field of white". Very, very European.
I agree. I grew up in Alabama and the only description of the state flag I was ever taught was " Cross of St. Andrew on a field of white." Growing up I never heard it compared to the Confederate flag. As far as flag pride in Alabama (such as display), I remember it being almost non-existent. Well not anything like Chicago where I live now. That gorgeous Chicago flag is plastered and marketed on just about everything up here, which makes it really kind of cool.
Mississippian here, we currently have no state flag and the most popular design to take its place is the “Stennis” flag, which looks like a Canada flag with blue stars in the middle instead of a maple leaf
I'm moving back to my native state of Ohio and as you explained, that flag has a unique shape. Nothing controversial about its imagery but a rectangular flag is simpler to make. I remember seeing a freighter from Spain on the Maumee River in Toledo Ohio flying the white and red Hapsburg flag about forty years ago
Tennessee’s modern day flag actually has a Confederate call back, though not very known. Of course the colors are the same and the star arrangement is similar to the confederate flag, but the bar on the right side of the Tennessee flag is actually supposed to be a call back to the bar on the right side of the 3rd national Confederate flag.
As a Mississippi native I can tell you that our now former flag has been controversial my whole life. My school never flew it, my town didn't either. My Dad said that at Ole Miss in the 70s the pre game parties would have you think the south won. I'm surprised that flag is getting the boot in my lifetime.
Well yeah for now but I wonder what would happen if a southern state made changes to make their flags MORE confederate inspired. Like it’s still a possibility after all this work stuff blows over...I don’t think people would do anything!
@@parchment543 as for other states no idea, but for Mississippi we are seeing a dramatic shift in attitude with the millennial & gen zers. Our state has a lot of problems that the republican state government either 1. Doesn't address or 2. Thinks is tolerable. By their apathy the younger generations want change. Either the young leave & continue the brain drain or they stay to help reform. The likelihood of Confederate symbolism staying would probably be concentrated the most rural areas of the state. Last time I checked we have the highest number of interracial marriages so the sympathies to the confederacy is dying off by proxy.
That doesn't make sense. How did she explain the South won when its whole point of existing was to preserve slavery and maintain their cotton monoploy all of which they lost. I can't imagine the amount of mental gymnastics they had to go through to justify sounding like a Kid who lost a kickball game and tried to spin it into a win.
Firstly, the war was fought over secession, so if the CSA won, they wouldn’t be part of the US to begin with lol Second, I think the point was that there were so many Confederate flags and supporters/patriotism of the CSA that you would have thought they actually won the war they’re so well known for.
I am from Arkansas, and the general design of the flag is beloved by people of all races. The shape of Arkansas's flag is based on the presence of diamonds in the state. Full stop. I think there is significant consensus towards removing one of the four stars.
@@kenster8270 You would have two big white diamonds next to one another. It has the wrong number of stars for a confederate flag as well. Seriously, Arkansans use the diamond on everything from banks to beer.
@@kenster8270 Wasn't a problem until you brought it up, didn't even notice. But to counter that, no one here flies two flags side by side so that doesn't make much of a difference. I just look at the flag as a symbol of pride for my state, not what is behind it. The Mississippi flag on the other hand should be changed, there is no need for that.
Again, I had never thought of the flag of Arkansas as having anything to do with the Confederate Battle Flag, The common colors and elements are recognizable if they're pointed out, but one hardly brings the other to mind otherwise.
The Alabama state flag also looks like the Cross of Saint Patrick flag, a red X cross on a white background and is older than the state of Alabama. Were the British Flags gets its red cross from Though there is no known connection to the Cross of Saint Patrick flag and the Alabama flag. The red X cross is not known as a Saint Andrews cross but a Saint Patrick's Cross. It is controversial because it is a later connection to Saint Patrick. There is plenty of info on You Tube and the rest of the Internet about the Saint Patrick's cross and the Saint Patrick's cross flag for those that are interested in those topics!
The British flag is the cross of st George, cross of st Andrew and cross of st Patrick, (st Patrick was born in Britain and stolen by Irish pirates and taken to Ireland).
@@mariesimpson7613 Correct and great comment. You will be surprised that there is British people that don't know what the British flag is made up of. Also I know to Scottish You Tubers, Shaun and Wee Scottish Lass, both have great You Tube channels, Think the Alabama flag looks like if someone mixed the English and Scottish flags. Neither one of them heard of the Cross of Saint Patrick's flag and didn't know were the red X cross on the British flag came from.
The term "Cross of Saint Andrew" can refer to any diagonal cross, although more specifically it can refer to the blue-white diagonal cross flag of Scotland.
@@principetnomusic Not quite any cross. The Cross of Saint Patrick is a red X cross and isn't called a Saint Andrew's cross. That would be too confusing. the Saint Andrews cross doesn't have a color except on the Scottish and British flag . Although there is a version of the British flag were the flag is white with a red Saint Georges cross and a Blue Saint Andrew's cross on top. An Unofficial Scottish version though. The cross of Saint Patrick is always red and it is on all flags that have it. So if you see a red X cross used in Ireland or the UK on a flag then it isn't a Saint Andrew's cross but a Saint Patrick's cross; as is the green flag that has a red Saint Patrick's cross and the red Ulster hand on it. That flag is used by some people in Northern Ireland. There is also a yellow flag with a red Saint Patrick's cross on it also used in Northern Ireland by some people.
I think Tennessee has one of the best US flags, it’s simple and it’s references are subtle enough to actually have meaning without being offensive. It shows they know their past without being too proud of it. Also it looks like something out of Strangereal
@@Ulaanbasaar Nebraska? Weird choice, they cheaped out on their flag so bad they only use like 3 colors for the state seal. The De Facto state flag has basically become the cornhusker red flag with a white N since no one wants to fly the ugly state one.
As a citizen of Florida, my curriculum specifically covered how the flag was designed to honor the Spanish and Seminole history of the land. How much of that is revisionist history who knows. But it is how it is treated today
That was another TH-camr named Atun-Shei Films. He's famous for Civil War videos, including the "Checkmate, Lincolnites!" series where he makes fun of Lost Causers and their ahistorical apologism for the Confederacy and the Civil War.
I’m from Ohio, other states hate our flag for being too unique 😂 at least ours has no words or detailed pictures on it!!! Professional flag for the win!
Your flag is really one of the better ones. I dare say it is probably a better design than my Texan one, and yes I know that is heresy. It is ironic too considering how opposed Ohio had once been to the vary notion of a state flag; considered it unpatriotic to the country as a whole. Now if only we could get about a third of the rest of the county to take some inspiration. I think it would be cool if at the minimum each state that currently any writing or plain symbol must START with making a tailed flag.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the fact that throughout all of this, the first state to secede in the Civil War, South Carolina has kept it's same Palmetto tree and Crescent moon design.
South Carolina’s flag design all hails from the Revolution, the crescent on the Carolina militia’s hat, the palmetto fort that basically repelled cannon balls because of the spongy wood and the indigo from South Carolina used to make blue dye for the Carolina militia, why would they need to change it in the first place?
Hey as an Arkansan no one really thinks about the civil war implications and a lot more people think of it for its official explanation because in northeast Arkansas I've never even heard it compared to the CSA flag so the plausible deniability IMO is pretty strong
As a fellow Northeast Arkansan, I can back up your claim. There is only one thing wrong with our flag: The State name on it. Remove that and the flag is beyond perfect!
I live in the District of Columbia. Our flag -- which is universally beloved -- is based on the design of the coat of arms granted to George Washington's great-great-great-grandfather, Lawrence Washington in 1592. It's iconic like the flag of the city of Chicago. It's easy to identify from a distance. 3:24 -- Looking good by the way.
I'm from Florida and I've been in Florida my entire life. The state flag has largely always been seen as representing the Spanish Empire, and is easily related to the old Spanish flag (which is still flown over the Castillo de San Marcos in St. Augustine). The vast majority of Floridians have always understood this to be the case, and still largely see it that way. I live in the Panhandle, which is obviously more traditionally southern in culture and tends to be majority Republican/Conservative, though there are several Panhandle counties which are currently majority Democrat. As far as the state flag's popularity in my part of the state, I'd say it's mildly popular just as a representation of where we live and call home. There does not appear to be any confederate sentiment tied to it from residents' perspective. Trust me, those wishing to express confederate sentiment will simply wave the CSA battle flag and skip the state flag entirely. I'm southern to the core and I love my home in the Panhandle, and yes Florida was a part of the confederacy, though history shows that Florida never did play a huge role in it, having most of its key ports immediately seized by Union forces from the start, and only a few minor battles/skirmishes were fought here. It's part of our history and I believe that every bit of our history, good and bad, should be taught and remembered, though not necessarily glorified. As for flying confederate flags, to quote Indiana Jones, "it belongs in a museum!" It is my opinion that there is no reason to alter or replace the state flag of Florida because (though it's obvious to everyone that the Cross of St. Andrew inspired both the state flag and the confederate battle flag) Floridians overwhelmingly see it as representing our ties to the Spanish Empire and is by and large not controversial to Floridians. Heck, even the name "Florida" is Spanish. As I'm from Florida and not Mississippi, I believe it's their call and not mine to change their state flag, but I do wholeheartedly agree that the battle flag ought to be removed from their state flag... though like I said, it's their business, not mine.
Yeah, exactly, not only that but Spanish Florida was quite literally the safe haven for both black slaves and natives against the British and French. They literally created their own settlements and helped the Spanish fight against them.
I love how unbiased your videos are. Obviously you have an opinion on the topic, but you never say it explicitly. You just inform, which makes everything more interesting. Thank you for that.
It doesn't mean I'm wrong either. I personally am not offended but I do think the feelings of other human beings deserve more consideration than a piece of material.
Alabamian here. I agree that the color does make it weird, and people often think our flag is St. Patrick's cross. But here is our official flag design description from the State: "Crimson St. Andrew's saltire in a field of white".
I think the only thing people bristle at is the motive. The raised sword arm is a classic heraldric crest for the subject underneath it, not a threat to it. But it's not a great flag anyway, so whatever. Replace it with a standard tricolor and be done with it. Just don't hand it over to a committee with something to prove, or it's going to get cringey.
I live in Georgia. No one gives a crap about the flag. What we argue about more is Stone Mountain. It’s a big rock with the biggest CSA monument carved into it.
The Floridian Flags cross is based off the Cross of Burgandy, a flag used by the Spanish Empire. When Florida was a territory owned by Spain they used that cross for Spanish Florida. The cross has nothing to do with the Confederacy as far as I'm aware.
The hard thing with symbols is that they are susceptible to interpretation, and even if you destroy a symbol you deem to represent a bad idea, new symbols will emerge among those who value that idea and instead of combating ideas in a meaningful way, you end up with an ever expanding list of bad shapes and words and an increasingly powerful political correctness. Heck, the "confederate flag" doesn't even represent white supremacy to all its advocates any more, instead representing a heritage and southern identity. I think it is very important to allow symbols to evolve like this, because it shows that the ideas themselves are changing, and punishing people by taking away their symbols and their heritage only serves to vindicate thoughts of oppression and the ideas being destroyed.
The whole thing about some people not seeing the flag as racist is out of ignorance, they may not know because of the rewriting of their history by lost cause revisionists but that doesn't change the fact that it is still a racist symbol, both to his opponents and his racist supporters.
I don't know why I'm saying this on this video but your sound effects (mostly snes) really add something to the emotional impact. Your conversational tone is... Very awesome.
Well then again, flags nowadays are a waste of time, energy and resources. We no longer need to use pieces of cloth to make sure we don’t shoot each other’s ships.
At least Texas has a flag that pre dates the Confederacy, so we get to keep it.
Texas should secede not because of history but because of protection
All southern states should secede
Identity Dixie shut up
@@XVINutkabob u shutup kid
@@xmappergamer1002 also, our flag is iconic and deeply associated with the state, so changing it would never make sense
Dude, I can recognize Atun-Shei Films just by his voice
same, I knew it right away!
Same
Vincent “claw hammer “ fucking just bashed a guys brain in with a rock
@Remedy The Nintendo Nerd here you go th-cam.com/channels/0_CTubjGeDth7X0bxUTBTA.html
I was gonna say how much it sounded like atun shei, then I saw the description
The only controversy about the Wisconsin flag is debating about just how badly designed it is.
oh god. The font???????
Have you ever seen the "official" flag of Milwaukee? Its 100 times worse. Our newly designed "people's flag", however, is gorgeous.
IKR
@@TheRepublicOfJohn I like Wichita’s city flag. It features a symbol similar to the one found on New Mexico’s flag.
Someone described the majority of state/territorial flags as SOS (seals on a sheet). It unfortunately aptly describes Kansas’ flag.
Until 1960, it only had the State Seal without the state name. I think our state’s flag would be less busy sans the state name.
I'm from Florida and I've literally never heard of anyone thinking the flag has to do with the CSA. Everyone here accepts it as symbolising our centuries of Spanish roots, Spanish named cities, and large Spanish speaking population :)
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Wsg fellow Floridian I’m from Mexico and Spain and I think the flag should be kept
Same!
yeah, exactly! i live there too, i dont think its so offensive. even if its alabama with a seal on it.
Interesting, as a Texan living in Alabama that’s the first thing I see with the nearly identical Alabama flag. I guess it’s truly just whatever the individual person sees. I do totally get the Spanish heritage part.
Edit: “that” being the battle flag of the CSA
JJ, I lived in Florida from 1971 to 2000, and you have left out an important aspect of the history of Florida's flag. The flag originally adopted in 1868 consisted of the State seal on a white background. There was concern that, from a distance, it appeared to be a flag of surrender. So, in 1900, the design was changed to insert the Cross of St. Andrew, as it added color to the flag.
I was always taught the cross on the Florida cross represents the Spanish flag, It never once crossed my mind that it was a reference to the confederacy.
Thats because it is
@@sticks4632 no, the confedarate is based on the spanish
L30NARDO72 the confederate battle flag isn’t based off the Spanish flag
You were taught? No, you were lied to...
Nicholas Willey
That’s still teaching, you knob.
As an Arkansan and flag buff, I am somewhat surprised at how little I hear the flag controversy discussed. I think this is probably because the actual meaning of the stars is pretty obscure, and usually only other flag buffs know about it. The minimalist reform you were talking about was proposed in the legislature in the last session, but it didn't get anywhere. If I had to guess, I would say that the same proposal will pass next session and that Asa will sign it (especially since in Arkansas the legislature only needs a simple majority in both Houses to overturn a veto). I would say one thing about the current flag design that would give it the most popular support is actually the diamond. Arkansas being the only state with an active diamond mine is actually a big source of state pride and identity. We have pictures of diamonds on our license plates and state quarter, and it is officially the state gemstone. One thing not connected to the Confederacy I hope they change though is that we have our state's name written on the flag. No flag should have writing on it!
Also: I'm a huge fan of Atun-Shei Films. It blew my mind when I heard his voice in your video!
Damn straight! Our flag would be beautiful so long as we dont have god-awful writing on it.
What makes it even worse though?: When Chinese made-flags have the word "Arkansas" written in black ink instead of blue!
I had to suffer through flying a flag like that a couple of times because I couldn't find our actual flag anywhere else.
Arkansas flag is poggers
I am not American so need to ask - how long is it between these 'sessions'? Did anything come of it this time if that next session has happened already?
I'm guessing not as I haven't heard anything about an Arkansas flag change as of yet!
@Boston Hostetler Ah, sorry. The original commenter said that they think the 'same proposal will pass next session and that Asa will sign it'. I was just wondering if that 'next session' has happened yet or when it is expected to happen.
I really like the original Hocker version of our flag. 3 stars and no letters!
Hey JJ, I was just going to add that the Saltire flags of Alabama and Florida are in the style of St Andrew’s flag due to the design of the cross. But both flags, especially the Alabama flag are more in line with the Cross of St Patrick due to the Red Cross and white background. Cheers!
As an Alabamaian,I very much agree,it might also be based off the Flag of Bourbon Spain.
Almost all of America's state flags are terrible and confusing (if not worse). You can hardly tell the difference.
Just look at a chart of state flags, and see how many break these rules for a good flag:
nava.org/digital-library/design/GFBF_English.pdf
@@thesouthernservesthesouth25 It probably is. Florida was a Spanish colony after all. No, not Bourbon, that's French, you mean Burgundy
That’s what I was going to say!
@@mariesimpson7613 well, great minds think alike!
Why on Earth was the Texas flag shown as Controversial? It has remained unchanged since 1839 as the flag of the Republic of Texas so predates by 21 years anything Confederate related.
The Republic of Texas declared independence from Mexico over slavery amongst other issues so it doesn't really help they did it twice.
I don't think the Texas one is offensive at all, the only offensive flag to me is Mississippi. It's not completely terrible, but I mean, c'mon, there's no good excuse for the prominent Confederate flag on the state flag.
Because it looks to much like the Chilean flag
@@hyperion3145 well let me educate you because you are mistaken. If you grew up in Texas you would know because we're taking entire full year of Texas State history in school. Texas fought for the constitution of 1824 and was not the only Mexican state trying to succeed at the time over the oppressive dictatorship of Santa Anna. The other two rebellions failed however. Also the lose of political autonomy when the states of Coahuila and Texas were combined given Texas only one seat in the new state legislature which riled up the Tejanos who are the Mexican-born residents of Texas. They played a major role in the revolution. When Santa Anna overthrow the Federal Government Texans initially revolted to fight against the coup and for the rightful elected government.
As for Slavery it was outlawed in 1829 and the revolution occurred in 1835-1836. Please refrain from slandering the Lone Star State and its Flag in yhe future.
@@hyperion3145 slavery outlawed in Mexico in 1829
Texas Revolution occurred in 1835-36
Im not seeing the connection
I lived in Alabama. The flag never once crossed our minds that it represents the Confederate symbol. It's more of a tribute to the Spanish roots of the state.
Here's our state's official description of our flag: "Crimson St. Andrew's saltire in a field of white". You are correct about the Spanish roots. Southern Alabama was under Spanish rule briefly, and it influenced us greatly.
I thought it represented the universal symbol for "No, absolutely not, under no circumstances".
I thought it was st George’s cross
Wasn't it also the flag of the Alabama army of the confederacy ?
@@benjaminverdier3122 isn’t the confederate flag like a blue background with a Statue of Liberty looking thing on it
I am enjoying your hair without a haircut. It honestly looks very late 70s to me. I think you should at least consider keeping it that way for a bit.
Yes, 70s, the 1870s
He looks like a young handsome Quebecois
@@Mediax5 He's turning into a Quebecois after visiting it Lmao
Now picture him with that cool mustache he used to use
He looks like one of the revolutionaries in Les Miserables.
Man. You're looking like a cool Mozart with that hair. (I might be thinking of Beethoven...)
yeah Beethoven I think
Nah, Frans Liszt
Loool i love this
I liked the news reporter look he pulled off.
Or a younger Mark Twain.
Florida is not a Confederate flag. It comes from the Spanish naval ensign. Florida was originally Spanish before entering the US.
The St Andrew Cross AKA Brugundy Cross. Symbol of hispanic people and christianity.
Vincenzo Rutigliano For a moment I thought it looked similar to the England flag but the flag is vertical while the england is horizontal
That is interesting, sadly I don’t think it matters anymore. What it reminds people of is enough to change things today.
@@mauropereira187 All of those flags come from European monarchies honoring the death of the apostles. Who died in different shapes of crosses.
Already mentioned in the video. The fact that you had to repeat and underline that fact says more about it's indefensibility.
As a Floridian I have to say since we have over years drifted away from the confederacy and closer to Spanish colonialism(Thanks to our large Hispanic population), I’m pretty sure it’s based on Spain rather than the confederates.
It is, both the Floridian and the Alabama flags are based on the flag of the Spanish empire, which was that diagonal cross for a period
exactly, if they wanted it to be based on the confederate flag they would have added some blue and stars, but even the color scheme with the red and gold matches the Spanish flag.
I think it’s a little stupid to get offended over Alabama and Florida, just because they use the same cross, that’s like saying Scotland’s flag is linked to the confederacy.
Exactly! As someone who lives in Alabama, and goes to Florida enough to call it a second home, I can confirm I have never met a single person here offended by our flags. Floridians are actually quite proud of the history of their flag. Most people in Alabama don't really care, it's just there. I am from a part of Alabama very close to Florida, my area was literally part of Spanish Florida at one point. (And British west florida). So I appreciate my state's flag more than most.
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It's like Germany banning swastikas though the real swastikas don't even symbolize nazis
samratine yea but swastikas have changed their meaning
The florida cross is supposed to represent the spanish influence
The next season of South Park is going to be pretty interesting.
Hahaha ya it is
As a Floridian, I think it's a stretch to say our flag is a confederate flag. It doesn't remind me of a confederate flag.
It's based off the cross of Burgandy.
You can see the old Spanish flag all over Old San Juan
Regardless, any flag that looks like Alabama’s is just embarrassing. ALABAMA! (Shudder).
Looks more like a combination of a British and a Spanish flag.
American state flags are really ugly, Florida's is an example of such. They should change it because it's hideous.
who wants to bet Mississippi is just gonna put a smiley face on the Confederate Flag? kind of like that one episode of South Park.
Teag Brohman I would die out laughing they did that. Somehow that actually feels like a possibility in Mississippi
That isn't really that polite to say,I live next to the beautiful state of Mississippi,I wouldn't make fun of them.
Umbreon 197 shush
@@thesouthernservesthesouth25 Where exactly?
I read the statement that the govt made. They basically said the confederate flag was included only for racist reasons and that it’s existence on the Mississippi state flag did not represent the values of a civilized society.
As an Ohioan, we have no flag controversies and it’s actually pretty well designed. One of the best state flags imo
yeah, im not from the us let alone ohio and i bought myself one, as a flag collector, its my favourite state flag
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no controversies? you have a triangle missing from your triangle flag! All honesty tho there is much higher cost in making your flag vs the easy rectangles the rest of us have. So that's something lol. It is solid tho XD
Florida Native here. I was always taught in school about the Spanish influence on the State i.e. being originally claimed by Ponce De Leon as a Spanish settlement, or St Augustine being the oldest settlement in the America. For me, I do not view the State flag as having a connection to the confederacy, but I can understand why people may see it as controversial.
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Interesting, cause here in Brasil, more specific in the city of Americana, in the countryside of the state of São Paulo, they often have Southern celabrations with that flag. The city, of course, was found by exiled confedered soldiers in the middle of the 19 century. To more on that, i recomend Masaman's vídeo on this subject.
you mean there are confederate celebrations in Brazil?
@@alfrredd There was a group of confederates that immigrated to Brazil because they were told they could continue using slaves there.
They were still shitty confederates.
here´s the video that i mention: th-cam.com/video/7aoGLcExOJM/w-d-xo.html
My dad was a missionary in Americana and found it really weird when a man opened the door who was more red-headed than he was. There are a lot of confederate hiding places like that people don't know about.
So to some Confederate soldiers, Brazil was like Argentina was for another group of soldiers in the middle of the 20th century?
The fort is spelled “Sumter.”
Correction on the Civil War-era parties. The Democrats split, north and south, because only the southerners were secessionist. The split is what allowed the Republicans to win the election.
Sounds like a shitty version of what happened in the Progressive-Republican split
Wtf that’s not a correction. That’s just an addition. What he said was right.
Headlines of the time used both spellings.
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Depends. There were War Democrats who were in favor of the reintroducing the CSA to the Union and there were Copperhead Democrats that wanted the South to have it's own way.
I'm from Florida and the flag is popular in schools and city halls, and i've never seen nobody offended
You've never seen nobody offended, so in other words...
Einar Bolstad ...in other words...?
@@ThaatEpicKitten it's a double negative
maybe if you changed the St Andrew's cross for a Burgundian Cross it would be even less prone to misinterpretation
Miguel Laurito the Burgundian cross is cooler and as a Florida i would like it more tbh since it would make sense and if not just put a gator on it
I heard Atun-Shei's voice and it made me so happy. he makes awesome content that history folks should def watch.
Actually the Hapsburg rule of America was really liberal with native Americans and outlawed enslaving them. The thing of Spanish supremacy over America started with the Bourbons who centralised the government towards to the Iberian interests over the rest of the empire's one, something that eventually led to Latin-American nationalism and independence
So basically
The Hapsburg rule knew how to keep the colonies Happy
And
The bourbons sleep during class
i think you dont know what liberal means
@@Donald_Trump_2024 The meaning of liberal changes a lot throughout time
Why can’t Alabama and Florida just affirm officially that their flags are supposed to be St. Andrew’s cross and clear up the confusion moving forward?
Because they know it ain't about St.Andrews.
Princess of Laughter Pinkie Pie which is technically correct, that isn’t what St. Andrew’s cross looks like. To be precise, they took off the arrows so the flag wouldn’t get too busy with the stars inside the cross. Without the stars inside the cross, Alabama can just redesign their flag to the real St. Andrew’s cross in honor of the position of Spanish as the second language of the United States.
well there's that whole "anti Catholic" thing that goes along with the belief system that installed confederate imagery in the first place
Because that wouldn't sate the rioters and nutcases that want the symbology changed.
Florida did confirm that it was inspired by the Burgundian Cross because Florida is proud of their Spanish heritage. There is circumstantial evidence that the Alabama flag is based on a Confederate flag carried by troops from that state as it is referenced in the design committee's notes, but there is nothing that outright says it is.
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I live in Pennsylvania's state capitol. You don't have to drive far -- in any direction into the rural areas around the city -- to discover someone flying the Confederate battle flag. Which is remarkable, because, um, Gettysburg. And the fact that Pennsylvania was a Union state. I don't recall it being this way 30 years ago. Definitely seems like a more recent phenomenon.
I know a year is a very short amount of time, but it has been a pretty eventful year in terms of Confederate imagery.
I was wondering, how do your sightings of the flag a year ago compare to now? Still around the same, less sightings, more sightings? Or has it not really been something you've been paying attention to? Aha
@@ChargingStag They were replaced with trump flags
@@intecrisis To be fair it has more to due with an overbearing federal government crippling its citizens than anything to due with racism or slavery. Trump flags better symbolizes the fight against this corrupt machine then the democrats own battle flag.
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 To quote the vice president of the confederacy: "(the constitution's) ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew." Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea (of; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition."
Get out of here with your false wishful thinking history. Also democrats have never run the battle flag anywhere and it is also not the party pushing to keep the battle flag in any state, if anything the opposite. If you can't own up to your own political beliefs and instead choose to strawman people with false history it means you're ashamed
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 I think you should maybe do some research into the civil war and learn the actual history and not just whatever bs you've been fed, because big surprise, it was about racial superiority and slavery, and a state's supposed right to enshrine those beliefs.
I had no idea the Georgia flag was a Confederate flag until my dad and I visited Fort Sumter, and he pointed out one of their flags was basically our flag. I was shocked, mainly because I always associated the stars and bars as the only Confederate flag.
Also, bless Zell Miller. He's the reason I don't have to pay tuition for college, and for that I am internally grateful.
I love the Georgia flag, it looks great. Also love Zell miller for the same reason as you!
It’s sad because even if their symbolism is offensive and represents bad things southern flags are the best designed flags in the country. Like, most everywhere else is just a blank background, a name, and a coat of arms
@@squal6216 nobody said it should snowflake, he is just stating an obvious fact that a confederate inspired flag is BETTER LOOKING than a boring coat of arms on a blue sheet
@@squal6216 oh yeah completely lost on the arguments and has to divert the topic to likes what a loser
@@squal6216 yes there is, confederate inspired flag is BETTER LOOKING than a coat of arms on a blue sheet
@@squal6216 you weird
I agree, some of the better designed flags in this country are in the Southern and Southwest states. Simple and distinguishable, unlike most flags up in northern or midwest states with their basic seal on blue background.
Knowing that my state flag, Texas, is recognizable to even non-Americans is something I take an odd sense of pride in.
Being a hispanic that currently is in Florida, I don't think that the flag is particularly pretty, but it would be pretty cool to keep the roots of the Spanish rule, more because of the increasing Spanish speaking people in the state. I know some Floridians with latino roots like that the state started very similar to the countries a lot of them came from, making Florida some sort of "Latin American Country"
we could make it even more spanish, why not change it to the burgundian cross with the cool notches instead of one with straight lines? we could even make it orange or orange and green cause of florida agriculture. the current one has always felt just too confederate for me, not something that really brings a lot of pride to me as a floridian.
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I think we have to keep some southern heritage, though. It’s important to remember our roots as a southern state. We can still do that without being excessively “confederate”.
I'm always confused why people leave a place for somewhere they prefer, but still wish it was more like the place they left. Why leave in the first place then?
@@oftheriver_ It would look really awesome if they change it to the cross with the notches
@@lngvly22 I grew up in North Carolina and I have to say there is more to the South than just the Confederacy. People who think they need that Civil War crap to be southern have no idea what being southern actually is.
I think Mississippi should go back to the pre Civil War “Magnolia Flag”
Same
I think it’s kind of awful, maybe with a revision
Revert Revertz there is no official spec version of the Magnolia Flag. All the historical examples of Magnolia Flags have major design variations simply because of vague language in the original 1861 flag bill.
Hopefully though you are not thinking of the awful UCV flag which was made possibly decades after, and only had a thin red stripe on the fly. (And has no historical precedent)
Like I said before though, there are quite a few varieties to choose from already.
@@deggs5589 Actually it would since the design predates the Confederacy and has no deliberate pro Confederacy symbolism
Luke Porras The thin red stripe on the fly is actually a reference to what’s called “the Blood-Stained Banner,” one of the Confederacy’s flags adopted towards the end of the war.
Infamous abomination is an understatement of the 2001 Georgia Flag. I remember people likening it to a Denny's placemat.
It was disgusting. I personally don't like the 1956 flag as it was too garish, but I'm sure most people would have taken it over the ugly Barnes' flag. The 2003 flag is much nicer, and combines Confederate symbolism without it being in your face, so it appeases everyone.
@@dasbubba841 Also the new one has the state seal, which as a Georgian I really like because it looks cool, it’s simple enough to keep on a flag, and the guy on it looks bored as fuck lol
9:33 Yup, _that_ Bill Clinton.
Blythe. His real name is William Blythe.
I was born and raised in Alaska, and we cherish our flag. I currently live in Florida, and I still identify myself as an Alaskan, who is a Florida resident. I fully intend on moving back to the Last Frontier as soon as I can. Little side note, Alaska has the best state song and flag, you can't change my mind!
Texas flag is nice and simple
But the Big Dipper can be seen everywhere. Doesn’t Alaska deserve a more unique flag?
@@thedigitalodometer945 nah, Alaska is enveloped by the deep blue night sky more than any other state by far, also the emptiness of space makes it feel colder as well, which is a very Alaskan thing. Flag represents the state very well. Plus the Alaskan night sky is always something tourist enjoy a lot, we do have the aurora borealis but I think that would be too complex for flag design. The simplicity of the flag really does match the simplicity of the state.
@@thee_val I don’t know, man, these two boys dismantled your argument 5 years before you made it.
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Remember the old Georgia flag had a Confederate flag too. Guess things aren’t so peachy there!
I’ll leave now
I see what you did there
And you should.
Florida Man lmao
Well the people who benefit from those look like peaches
I do live in Georgia I never like the flag I wanted it to change it to something else.
The fact that you feel compelled to censor the flag while talking about it in a historical context is quite sad
Not really his idea fully. TH-cam has been demonetizing videos with controversial flags and if you depend on TH-cam revenue for a living, demonitization is something you really want to avoid.
Unfortunately, freedom of the press doesn't apply when someone else (in this case TH-cam) owns the press you're using.
@@homestar92 yea.. not his fault.. that is why it's sad.. there is nothing he can do about it really
He didn’t censor anything, at the very end it was in jest after he’d shown it already, and at the beginning it’s kind of to build suspense and not spoil it if you’re not familiar with the flags
@@MsZsc even in the thumbnail you can see two pixelated censored flags.. how can you say he didn't censor anything?
Keep the Mississippi flag
You should do a video looking at the stories that kids are told so they behave. Like the boogie man and krampus
"It's supposed to be the flag of saint andrew"
Me an Irishman: "wait..."
Isn't Northern Ireland's based off ST Patrick cross? I could be mistaken.
@@TheBabyDerp it is
@@TheBabyDerp the saint patrick cross represents northern ireland in the union jack but the actual flag, the ulster banner, is inspired by the saint george's flag adding the red hand of ulster
@@hadaward_dk
That's because the St Patrick Cross in the Union Flag/Jack was originally meant to symbolise Ireland as a whole, but since now only Northern Ireland is part of the UK, and the Republic of Ireland has its own, different flag, it has come to symbolise just Northern Ireland instead.
I don't live in a state with a controversial flag, but I live in a country with one. The Australian flag has been questioned more times than I can count, but no one can think of a better one to replace it with. It seems New Zealand has the same probably but at least they actually tried with their referendum. Our politicians don't even go near it because it's just too difficult to deal with.
Aloha JJ! I think we ought to talk abut Hawaii’s state flag. It’s got the Union Jack in the corner, and the story on the street is that when Cook showed up, King Kamehameha took a liking to the design because he thought it “looked cool”. These days most non-native Hawaiian people sort of ignore the unusual presence of British symbolism, and we don’t think about it much, but the native Hawaiian people despise it. You often see it hung upside-down in Hawaii, usually displayed in proximity to the Native Hawaiian flag.
The flag looks cool though
@@Undrewie Imho, it's kind of garish.
It’s interesting that this phenomenon is mostly limited to western nations, figures and symbols
You definitely don’t see South Vietnam symbolism in Vietnam today
As Western nations we can choose which parts of our history to honour with flags and statues, while still remembering all of it. That's a luxury some nations don't have, where their governments choose what's remembered and enforce their own symbols. China comes to mind, as does Japan.
Phillip Porter Removing symbols immediately after a regime falls is different. In the West there’s this weird focus on getting rid of any problematic symbol, even if it has existed for centuries. A better (but extreme) non-western example would be the Cultural Revolution in China.
Jacques Y I’m not sure about China but I’m pretty sure Japan’s celebration of its past is popular among the people and isn’t forced on them
@@potatomahonman5008 They deny the Nanking Massacre.
The "Mario Paint" noises you often put in your videos always crack me up and make me feel like I'm 8 years old again.
This video basically shows how many people are going insane
As soon as I heard Gov. Miller's voice I clicked the description as I recognized Atun-Shei Films voice anywhere and it was confirmed almost immediately. I love that guy he makes great videos
Massachusetts’s flag is controversial? I’ve lived here my whole life and this is the first time I’ve heard that.
Oh, just give it time. I'm sure some SJW will decide it needs to be canceled soon enough.
What’s our flag even look like. I lived here my whole life and can’t picture it off the top of my head
Soon the flag of Alaska will be seen as a flag of bigotry since the consolation resembles a pan, which is offensive to non-pansexuals (and pansexuals too). I am not racist nor do I disagree with The cause of the protestors, but man do some people have nothing to do.
Soon the flag of Alaska will be seen as a flag of bigotry since the consolation resembles a pan, which is offensive to non-pansexuals (and pansexuals too). I am not racist nor do I disagree with The cause of the protestors, but man do some people have nothing to do.
Bob Dole stop lying
I’m from Tennessee and apparently there’s now people saying we need to get rid of our tri-star flag. Honestly it’s kind of surprising since its main meaning is to represent East, Middle, and Western Tennessee.
yeah I love it personally, I love seeing it flying here
I guess the colors is confusing some
No North rip
And those folk can stick it (Also from TN).
@@greatrey agreed, and same.
Also, Arkansas should go with a flag that has current relevance: a WalMart sign.
A lot of Scotts and Irish come to Tennessee so should they put up a McDonald sign even though The founders of the company the McDonald brothers went bankrupt and company was taken over by a Ray Kroc. Maybe McDonalds new company sign should be a crocodile and just call the company Croc's.
Boo! Nice critique though.
To hell with Walmart
How about no, my states flag is fine
With Bill Clinton's face on it
12:01 Dark side of Spanish colonialism?
Pardon me? Spanish Florida was a safe haven for freed Slaves back in the late XVIII century and early XIX century, not to say the natives (Seminole) were under protection of the Spanish Crown, and Florida is home of the first free african-american soldier reigments, that fought for Spain and for their freedom during that period, and Fort Mose in Florida was the first free African settlement legally sanctioned in what would become the United States, back in the Spanish period too.
The American and confederate periods are objectively way worse and dark if you ask me or any Floridian.
Still pretty good video.
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Yeah! Idk why people are so worked up about the Florida flag, and also (from a Floridian local) what you are saying is true! Like people need to research about Spanish Florida.
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As a floridian, I love the Florida flag, although we could change the seal to something else.. seal’s aren’t pretty on flags
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Love the participation of Atun-Shei Films. Andy is easily one of my favourite youtubers. Good on you both.
In Alabama, it never really occurred to me that the flag could be possibly related to the confederacy. Or Spain. I thought it was more reminiscent of Scotland and England.
Really don't see it changing, though. I won't say everyone's madly in love with it, but if you try to change it, we'll all be madly in love with it.
It isn't related to the confederacy. It is literally reminiscent of Scotland and England. That's why they put it there! Here's our state's official flag description: "Crimson St. Andrew's saltire in a field of white". Very, very European.
I agree. I grew up in Alabama and the only description of the state flag I was ever taught was " Cross of St. Andrew on a field of white." Growing up I never heard it compared to the Confederate flag. As far as flag pride in Alabama (such as display), I remember it being almost non-existent. Well not anything like Chicago where I live now. That gorgeous Chicago flag is plastered and marketed on just about everything up here, which makes it really kind of cool.
I believe Northern Ireland has a similar flag (although there many versions of it)
Mississippian here, we currently have no state flag and the most popular design to take its place is the “Stennis” flag, which looks like a Canada flag with blue stars in the middle instead of a maple leaf
I'm moving back to my native state of Ohio and as you explained, that flag has a unique shape. Nothing controversial about its imagery but a rectangular flag is simpler to make. I remember seeing a freighter from Spain on the Maumee River in Toledo Ohio flying the white and red Hapsburg flag about forty years ago
hows it down there, greetings from Michigan
hello fello Ohioan! I love my Ohio flag and I love the shape of it.
The Arkansas, Alabama, and Florida flag have nothing to do with the confederate battle flag. They're based off of the Spanish empire flag.
Tennessee’s modern day flag actually has a Confederate call back, though not very known. Of course the colors are the same and the star arrangement is similar to the confederate flag, but the bar on the right side of the Tennessee flag is actually supposed to be a call back to the bar on the right side of the 3rd national Confederate flag.
As a Mississippi native I can tell you that our now former flag has been controversial my whole life. My school never flew it, my town didn't either. My Dad said that at Ole Miss in the 70s the pre game parties would have you think the south won. I'm surprised that flag is getting the boot in my lifetime.
Well yeah for now but I wonder what would happen if a southern state made changes to make their flags MORE confederate inspired. Like it’s still a possibility after all this work stuff blows over...I don’t think people would do anything!
Now watch them pull a Georgia and just make it the Stars and Bars
@@parchment543 as for other states no idea, but for Mississippi we are seeing a dramatic shift in attitude with the millennial & gen zers. Our state has a lot of problems that the republican state government either 1. Doesn't address or 2. Thinks is tolerable. By their apathy the younger generations want change. Either the young leave & continue the brain drain or they stay to help reform. The likelihood of Confederate symbolism staying would probably be concentrated the most rural areas of the state. Last time I checked we have the highest number of interracial marriages so the sympathies to the confederacy is dying off by proxy.
That doesn't make sense. How did she explain the South won when its whole point of existing was to preserve slavery and maintain their cotton monoploy all of which they lost. I can't imagine the amount of mental gymnastics they had to go through to justify sounding like a Kid who lost a kickball game and tried to spin it into a win.
Firstly, the war was fought over secession, so if the CSA won, they wouldn’t be part of the US to begin with lol
Second, I think the point was that there were so many Confederate flags and supporters/patriotism of the CSA that you would have thought they actually won the war they’re so well known for.
I am from Arkansas, and the general design of the flag is beloved by people of all races. The shape of Arkansas's flag is based on the presence of diamonds in the state. Full stop. I think there is significant consensus towards removing one of the four stars.
But if you put two Arkansas flags next to each other, what do you see? That's hardly a coincidence.
@@kenster8270 You would have two big white diamonds next to one another. It has the wrong number of stars for a confederate flag as well. Seriously, Arkansans use the diamond on everything from banks to beer.
@@kenster8270 even our license plates have a diamond in them.
@@kenster8270 Wasn't a problem until you brought it up, didn't even notice.
But to counter that, no one here flies two flags side by side so that doesn't make much of a difference.
I just look at the flag as a symbol of pride for my state, not what is behind it. The Mississippi flag on the other hand should be changed, there is no need for that.
Again, I had never thought of the flag of Arkansas as having anything to do with the Confederate Battle Flag, The common colors and elements are recognizable if they're pointed out, but one hardly brings the other to mind otherwise.
The Alabama state flag also looks like the Cross of Saint Patrick flag, a red X cross on a white background and is older than the state of Alabama. Were the British Flags gets its red cross from Though there is no known connection to the Cross of Saint Patrick flag and the Alabama flag. The red X cross is not known as a Saint Andrews cross but a Saint Patrick's Cross. It is controversial because it is a later connection to Saint Patrick. There is plenty of info on You Tube and the rest of the Internet about the Saint Patrick's cross and the Saint Patrick's cross flag for those that are interested in those topics!
The British flag is the cross of st George, cross of st Andrew and cross of st Patrick, (st Patrick was born in Britain and stolen by Irish pirates and taken to Ireland).
@@mariesimpson7613 Correct and great comment. You will be surprised that there is British people that don't know what the British flag is made up of. Also I know to Scottish You Tubers, Shaun and Wee Scottish Lass, both have great You Tube channels, Think the Alabama flag looks like if someone mixed the English and Scottish flags. Neither one of them heard of the Cross of Saint Patrick's flag and didn't know were the red X cross on the British flag came from.
The term "Cross of Saint Andrew" can refer to any diagonal cross, although more specifically it can refer to the blue-white diagonal cross flag of Scotland.
@@principetnomusic Not quite any cross. The Cross of Saint Patrick is a red X cross and isn't called a Saint Andrew's cross. That would be too confusing. the Saint Andrews cross doesn't have a color except on the Scottish and British flag . Although there is a version of the British flag were the flag is white with a red Saint Georges cross and a Blue Saint Andrew's cross on top. An Unofficial Scottish version though. The cross of Saint Patrick is always red and it is on all flags that have it. So if you see a red X cross used in Ireland or the UK on a flag then it isn't a Saint Andrew's cross but a Saint Patrick's cross; as is the green flag that has a red Saint Patrick's cross and the red Ulster hand on it. That flag is used by some people in Northern Ireland. There is also a yellow flag with a red Saint Patrick's cross on it also used in Northern Ireland by some people.
St Andrew was crucified on a sideways cross, so that’s what the term refers to. It’s just a generic term for a shape.
JJ looks so cute with his hair pulled back
Best haircut
@Boston Hostetler JJ is gay
@@eduardozepol2000 I didn’t know he was actually LGBTQ+ did he mention this somewhere?
@@jeuno. in the "Fighting over the pride flag" he mentions he's gay and he has a program with another guy called Gay x Gay
Goodness J.J. you got me into flags lol.
I was not expecting Atun Shei to be here, i did fangirl a little
Happy canada day and 4th of july! 🇨🇦🇺🇸
What day is Canada day? 4th of July is USA's independence day is it also a special day in Canada?
@hydrolito I think Canada day is on the 1st of July.
The another problem is that these flags is that they have words on them. Except for Alabama and Mississippi, they followed the rule.
@@SamTh3Man - I assume my legislature was inspired by Georgia.
@@SamTh3Man well that's disgusting, lol
Don't many flags, which have coats of arms on them, have words though?
@@syrialak101 yeah, they do, which makes them not as good
@Sam Darby Actually, it's not the State seal. It's the coat of arms.
I think Tennessee has one of the best US flags, it’s simple and it’s references are subtle enough to actually have meaning without being offensive. It shows they know their past without being too proud of it. Also it looks like something out of Strangereal
My favorite US state flag is the Michigan one :3 it’s super pretty to me :33
Mine are Alaska, Michigan, Nebraska, New Mexico, and arizona
I live in teneesee
@@Ulaanbasaar Nebraska? Weird choice, they cheaped out on their flag so bad they only use like 3 colors for the state seal. The De Facto state flag has basically become the cornhusker red flag with a white N since no one wants to fly the ugly state one.
@@JM-ys5vx really? You are gonna call out Nebraska but not the other like 40 states that use the exact same format? The flag isn’t even that bad.
As a citizen of Florida, my curriculum specifically covered how the flag was designed to honor the Spanish and Seminole history of the land. How much of that is revisionist history who knows. But it is how it is treated today
JJ with a mullet is something I never thought I needed
I love how you made Zell Miller sound like a character from a Tennessee Williams' play, or maybe that was his voice?
That was another TH-camr named Atun-Shei Films. He's famous for Civil War videos, including the "Checkmate, Lincolnites!" series where he makes fun of Lost Causers and their ahistorical apologism for the Confederacy and the Civil War.
That little news anchor bit took me by surprise but made me laugh, 10/10
I’m from Ohio, other states hate our flag for being too unique 😂 at least ours has no words or detailed pictures on it!!! Professional flag for the win!
Your flag is really one of the better ones. I dare say it is probably a better design than my Texan one, and yes I know that is heresy. It is ironic too considering how opposed Ohio had once been to the vary notion of a state flag; considered it unpatriotic to the country as a whole. Now if only we could get about a third of the rest of the county to take some inspiration. I think it would be cool if at the minimum each state that currently any writing or plain symbol must START with making a tailed flag.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the fact that throughout all of this, the first state to secede in the Civil War, South Carolina has kept it's same Palmetto tree and Crescent moon design.
Sharia symbols have no place in god’s America derp derp
@@kabalofthebloodyspoon you need to have a good colonic as you seem really full of it! poor bot troll
South Carolina’s flag design all hails from the Revolution, the crescent on the Carolina militia’s hat, the palmetto fort that basically repelled cannon balls because of the spongy wood and the indigo from South Carolina used to make blue dye for the Carolina militia, why would they need to change it in the first place?
@@thepapistyourmotherwarnedy752 Exactky. They didn’t need to. Which is why I’m glad they didn’t change it anyway after all this time.
Jumped up when I got the notification for this video lol. Keep doing you
Hey as an Arkansan no one really thinks about the civil war implications and a lot more people think of it for its official explanation because in northeast Arkansas I've never even heard it compared to the CSA flag so the plausible deniability IMO is pretty strong
Thank You!
As a fellow Northeast Arkansan, I can back up your claim. There is only one thing wrong with our flag: The State name on it.
Remove that and the flag is beyond perfect!
As a NW Arkansan, I have also never heard any news comparing it to the CSA flag
@@jeffatturbofish I’m from Bentonville and have also never heard it being compared to the CSA
The first thing that came to mind with the Arkansas flag is the CSA flag lol
I live in the District of Columbia. Our flag -- which is universally beloved -- is based on the design of the coat of arms granted to George Washington's great-great-great-grandfather, Lawrence Washington in 1592. It's iconic like the flag of the city of Chicago. It's easy to identify from a distance. 3:24 -- Looking good by the way.
I actually thought Minecraft banners will be banned by the US due to people made controversial flags based on the thumbnail lmao
As a Floridian, we were always taught in school that the flag was based off the Cross of Burgundy (or more commonly just called the "Spanish Cross")
Awesome to hear Atun-Shei Films, you and him are my two favorite youtubers!
I'm from Florida and I've been in Florida my entire life. The state flag has largely always been seen as representing the Spanish Empire, and is easily related to the old Spanish flag (which is still flown over the Castillo de San Marcos in St. Augustine). The vast majority of Floridians have always understood this to be the case, and still largely see it that way. I live in the Panhandle, which is obviously more traditionally southern in culture and tends to be majority Republican/Conservative, though there are several Panhandle counties which are currently majority Democrat. As far as the state flag's popularity in my part of the state, I'd say it's mildly popular just as a representation of where we live and call home. There does not appear to be any confederate sentiment tied to it from residents' perspective. Trust me, those wishing to express confederate sentiment will simply wave the CSA battle flag and skip the state flag entirely. I'm southern to the core and I love my home in the Panhandle, and yes Florida was a part of the confederacy, though history shows that Florida never did play a huge role in it, having most of its key ports immediately seized by Union forces from the start, and only a few minor battles/skirmishes were fought here. It's part of our history and I believe that every bit of our history, good and bad, should be taught and remembered, though not necessarily glorified. As for flying confederate flags, to quote Indiana Jones, "it belongs in a museum!" It is my opinion that there is no reason to alter or replace the state flag of Florida because (though it's obvious to everyone that the Cross of St. Andrew inspired both the state flag and the confederate battle flag) Floridians overwhelmingly see it as representing our ties to the Spanish Empire and is by and large not controversial to Floridians. Heck, even the name "Florida" is Spanish.
As I'm from Florida and not Mississippi, I believe it's their call and not mine to change their state flag, but I do wholeheartedly agree that the battle flag ought to be removed from their state flag... though like I said, it's their business, not mine.
Yeah, exactly, not only that but Spanish Florida was quite literally the safe haven for both black slaves and natives against the British and French. They literally created their own settlements and helped the Spanish fight against them.
Getting my vexillology fix through this channel
They are flags they can't hurt you
Out of all this fascinating information, I just noticed your Bubble Bobble shirt and now I need that!
I love how unbiased your videos are. Obviously you have an opinion on the topic, but you never say it explicitly. You just inform, which makes everything more interesting. Thank you for that.
I don’t know what you mean, I watch him to get a pretty far leftie take on things
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(He didn't even say "first"...)
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"If you're offended it doesn't mean you're right"
Exactly
Identity Dixie someone’s pissed
It doesn't mean I'm wrong either. I personally am not offended but I do think the feelings of other human beings deserve more consideration than a piece of material.
@@mistyhaney5565 a flag is not just a piece of material
9:22 Ah yes, the Six Flags method of representation.
11:12 Although, it's white-on-blue in Scotland.
And blue-on-white, in the flag of "New Scotland".
Alabamian here. I agree that the color does make it weird, and people often think our flag is St. Patrick's cross. But here is our official flag design description from the State: "Crimson St. Andrew's saltire in a field of white".
Massachusetts native here.
People either don’t care about the flag or think it sucks
I think the only thing people bristle at is the motive. The raised sword arm is a classic heraldric crest for the subject underneath it, not a threat to it. But it's not a great flag anyway, so whatever. Replace it with a standard tricolor and be done with it. Just don't hand it over to a committee with something to prove, or it's going to get cringey.
Yay it’s JJ!!!!!
a statue of Ulysses Grant was removed. seems if you're not perfect, you're not good enough
And Theodore Roosevelt.
And they want to tear down the Lincoln statue that was funded by freed slaves and was unveiled at an event attended by an abolitionist.
@@therealbaylee The one they want to tear down has been viewed as symbolically problematic for years.
@@switchplayer1016 Because it was designed by white people and looks problematic.
@@krim7 it looks fine to me it's just teddy roosevelt on a horse next to a native American and a African American. How is that 'problematic'
I live in Georgia. No one gives a crap about the flag. What we argue about more is Stone Mountain. It’s a big rock with the biggest CSA monument carved into it.
Alabama's flag clearly has nothing to do with the confederacy
The Floridian Flags cross is based off the Cross of Burgandy, a flag used by the Spanish Empire. When Florida was a territory owned by Spain they used that cross for Spanish Florida. The cross has nothing to do with the Confederacy as far as I'm aware.
Did you watch the video?
@@JJMcCullough just a disclaimer for those who see the thumbnail and assume the worse about Florida's flag.
@EyeZackZin yes, I watched the video
The hard thing with symbols is that they are susceptible to interpretation, and even if you destroy a symbol you deem to represent a bad idea, new symbols will emerge among those who value that idea and instead of combating ideas in a meaningful way, you end up with an ever expanding list of bad shapes and words and an increasingly powerful political correctness.
Heck, the "confederate flag" doesn't even represent white supremacy to all its advocates any more, instead representing a heritage and southern identity. I think it is very important to allow symbols to evolve like this, because it shows that the ideas themselves are changing, and punishing people by taking away their symbols and their heritage only serves to vindicate thoughts of oppression and the ideas being destroyed.
The whole thing about some people not seeing the flag as racist is out of ignorance, they may not know because of the rewriting of their history by lost cause revisionists but that doesn't change the fact that it is still a racist symbol, both to his opponents and his racist supporters.
Whilryke you know Trump is a New York Democrat, right? And he has won awards for helping the black community. Y’all have short memories.
sad that everything is too controversial nowadays
The Mississippi one is understandable
Yeah. When a racist cop chokes a black guy the 2nd american revolutions starts.
Now I can’t even express my opinion, shame
@@SuperStar-if9wx Mood.
@The Canadian Crusader Yes, putting up statues of traitors is offensive. They don't desrve to be honored.
I don't know why I'm saying this on this video but your sound effects (mostly snes) really add something to the emotional impact. Your conversational tone is... Very awesome.
7:29 "get rid of the confederate cross, but have a smaller one in the flag"
Happy belated Canada Day everyone!
You see Florida is has a very rural population and we have De'santis as governor so a definite no to changing it and I think the seal is beautiful.
Getting offended by an historical flag that only vaguely resembles something is folly. What a waste of time and energy.
Especially regarding Alabama and Florida's flag. Both are of European influence. Well, minus Florida plopping it's seal on their flag.
Well then again, flags nowadays are a waste of time, energy and resources. We no longer need to use pieces of cloth to make sure we don’t shoot each other’s ships.
I live in Mississippi and I hate there taking down the flag
@@kleowanansoldier8024 at least they will get a better one
@@danielalmeida7382 it's not better, seals on flags are terrible
Just found your channel bro great job
Thank you
The gunshots legit scared me so badly and i dont even have direct gun trauma jesus christ