LlinusLlove v Charlie Carrel | GTO vs. Exploitative | £50k Triton FT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ส.ค. 2019
- Analysis of few hands played between LlinusLlove and Charlie Carrel at the final table of the 50k Event at the Triton High Roller Series in London.
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"it's purely an exploitative play by Charlie
based on some type of cosmic connection with the universe". LMAO. Love it. Keep the great analysis and commentary
But he won millions with this cosmic connection with the universe. Pure poker talent.
@@lieteller3091and lost twice of thate
Wow. This content is fantastic! I watched it twice just to make sure I didn't miss anything. I love the dry humor here too. Nice work!!! Looking forward to more videos.
This channel is amazing. Its basically a nerdy, nitty-gritty version of Doug Polk's channel where the logic is expanded on in a thorough way. Im almost certain that this is what these training sites are selling, but here its explained for free. Needs more subs IMO.
Really really awesome content, This channel is one of my favourites, checking daily for new vids! Keep it coming, awesome work!
I love to have an understanding of how what the solver would do in these spots, aswell as your thoughts behind it.
Thank you!
This is the next wave of poker content
/me
@@RyanDepauloDegenerateGambler Lol what are you doing here Dad?
Great stuff man look forward tot the next video the insight and knowledge of solver GTO strategy is really helpful. Thank you for the effort and time spent making these videos much appreciated.
Great video and Analysis bro
Loved this battle b/w Charlie and Linus..good plays,some speech plays, some talks, all in good sport..Triton series was so good to watch!!
Good stuff once again! I Like your work ethic and the time you put into these videos.
I feel a lot of irony when watching the Daniel N Masterclass ad before this video.
Just found your channel, very pleased with the content
Been waiting for your analysis even before the tournament started
What a great technical video. My head is spinning.
Based on the thumbnail I thought it was two pictures of the same guy one with hair one without.
Can we see GTO breakdown of the Chidwick J5 hand, hero calls on solvers are really interesting?
P.s loving the vids
check raise your edge chanel, is already there
Very deep analysis, thank you!
Hey man, I just wanna say I love your videos and thank you for making them. You have some great content.
Are there any books you can recommend for a more modern approach to holdem? I took like an 8 year hiatus from playing so now I’m trying to catch up.
This is incredible content. Superb analysis. And funny. Love it.
hey man great vid as always.
question how much does the full version of piosolver cost? seems like a must buy in order to move up from mid stakes to high stakes right? especially online...
+1
this channel isn't gold, its diammond! thank you so much
Hey Finding Equilibrium, do you know why PIO likes to check back K54r with underpairs like JJ, TT but in another spot likes to bet range with these same hands on K93r board ? Is it bc 9x hits more BB defend range thus, it likes a bet more than on K54r ??
Absolutely loved the content
Another brilliant video. In a matter of less than a week (I just discovered your channel a few days ago), this has become my favorite TH-cam channel, and I don't say that hastily or lightly. Thanks for bringing the thunder when it comes to poker content.
I don’t have time to watch this yet. I just came to like and comment!
Do you think Linus is looking up at a clock? Maybe as a randomiser?
Nice analysis as always!
Love the analysis - do u have a website, more info on yourself?
Hey man, amazing vids your doing. I really like what you said at the end about most players at the highest level are using a mix of GTO and exploitive play. Even Doug Polk includes exploitive factors a lot, and Charlie Carrel has admitted to using GTO theories to have a solid fundamental strategy. It's more which side of the blend they lean towards and not likeing other players trash talking one extreme of the game, so they choose to represent the other side. In actuality, nothing in this world is completely black and white. Balance is key, especially in poker when balancing your GTO fundamentals to exploitive play.
I compare it to playing blackjack,you use basic strategy (ie GTO poker) to learn fundamentals and to lessen the casino edge to almost 0%,then for different rules and promotions you tweak the strategy a bit to get a slight edge.Then you card count and stray from basic strat even further based on the count. A pro poker player will have a variety of weapons just like a pro card counter
Holy shit this content is on another level. Liked and subbed.
does linus has a pio in his head? wtf
I know right he only disobeyed the solver 3/4ths of the hand missed clear streets of value. Insane accuracy.
yes
@@httrdc8321 he didn't take icm on his calculations, if this wasnt final table his plays were fine. And btw he would eat you alive online.. and live..
He has used it so much, it's probably second-nature to figure it out intuitively
@@httrdc8321 this you, Charlie? 😂
I understand pio so far (i dont have it), but what does it mean when a bracket isnt fully coloured? Does it mean that he only has this hand X% of the times in his Range?
Yea, the bit that's greyed out basically accounts for the frequency at which the combo is played differently (eg raises flop instead of calling)
@@_MMWWMM_ ah okay, thanks!
Great content, thanks. Subscribed :)
Great format dude ✌️
where is Linus looking at repeatedly? (19:40) is there an RNG hanging from the ceiling?
Most likely a clock or something that he could use as rng
Tournament players will often see the tournament clock looking for RNG...
I think he was trying to count the stacks and pot size in his head lol
Tournament clock and scoreboard so to speak
Interesting that Q7s was a check raise from the BB in the hand (on a K 5 4 flop) straight after Charlie Cr'd wrongly with Q7s on a K 9 3 flop.
haha this series has so far been so serious that I literally LMFAO when hearing Llinus human solver Llove v Charlie fuckGTO Carrel😆
thank you vey much for the vid
Awesome channel!
14:03 why are low pairs not included here? Are they 3bets?
xUNION They are all pretty standard jams pre flop
That raise to fold with 4s was so good
I think Charlie was right about Llinus not being fully aware of the stacksizes. Anyway, great video.
For linus to call w/ 76o to be +EV, carrel would need to have a plethora of bluffs at a similar frequency to the solver. Furthermore, in general, most players seldom have bluff frequencies akin to a solver. Ofc humans are only capable of replicating solvers to a certain degree but imo if he was to just call in that situation it'd be -EV and maybe why he elected to shove.
This isn't to discredit solvers but being balanced an indifferent against a player way out of balance requires mitigation.
Well played by both
That outro music is the nuts. What song is that?
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Really great content thank you for this
10/10 somehow your videos keep getting even better!
Great vid thx 🙂
Why are pocket pairs for the big blind range all blanked out??
Because you wouldn't check a raise with pocket pairs.
Realllyyyy great vid
I love seeing the minbet on the KK hand. It's something I've been experimenting with when I have a board absolutely crushed. People feel silly folding to a min bet so they tend to spazz vs it. Seeing someone as good as Llinus using it makes me feel really good about my thought process.
Betting 1bb is a valid strategy and solvers proved that is profitable under the right circumstances but not for the reason you listed. Keep.searching and you will find out why (hint:range analysis)
@@gastonangelini8352 I'm a fan of solvers but our opponents aren't solvers. As Charlie did in this clip, people see that bet and don't think "what's the GTO response to it" they think "WTF, a minbet? I can't fold to that but I have nothing so I'll raise."
I think people learn about solver strategy and forget that the game is played by imperfect people and sometimes you should make plays based off human tendencies.
@@keithmason1485 But people could be very quick to catch onto your minbetting-with-the-nuts idea, and then you get no value from your top set. It's a double edged sword. On the other hand, balancing your minbets or range betting in right spots is always good (regardless of opponent's response)
@@Cowtymsmiesznego agreed. I tend to forget that not everybody plays on Ignition where balancing odd plays like this aren't necessary because it's impossible for people to catch on.
And when playong against amateurs which will shove you or re raise you out of a rice field. You cant read those sons a bitchos and the standard plays dont work against them hahahah
Amazing.
Its like Linus have the program you use in his head. Always does the right thing.
He does he memorized a lot of the play from the program.
@@PeterBishop1994That's impossible you nut.
Tangent, but I feel that GTO players looking up at the ceiling (I've seen Sam Greenwood do this) is looking at something for randomization purposes?
No, they are looking at the tournament clock / info.
Finding Equilibrium what stakes you play bro?
I’m hardly playing these days but usually 3/5.
@@FindingEquilibrium Live or online?
@@karolmichura1400 Ever saw 3/5 online?
There is 3/5 online.
I wonder how Stu Ungar would do at this table..
He would do horribly
i would love to see a check with kk on that turn
is he looking up at the clock in the room to randomize?
I think hes doing calculation in his head. The shot clock is also near the dealer. So why wouldnt he look there?
Great video! Name of last track, please
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great video
LLinus looking up during the KQo hand like Beth Harmon in Queen's Gambit
What does spr stand for?
stack to pot ratio
24:20 that "f*ck gto" smile ahaha
PioSolver only shows bet size values and not percentages? Bet 30% is much easier to discern than bet 2475.
Nice video again. However, I got quite confused when you brought in the comparison of ICMvs no ICM. I didn't quite understand how the OCm affects post flop play nor do I understand why the solver strategies are different.
Because when there is a shortstack playing and a big money payjump, it affects how the game should be played GTO. Mostly polarized, with value/air
In a tournament its possible to fold AA pre and it be correct.... this can only be possible via ICM
Mike Postle keeps looking down into his lap .. Linus keeps looking up .. Some secret formula to winning ?
Udai Gill looool
Linus is the Connor McDavid of Online Poker... not just bc he is the best in the game, but he literally looks disturbingly similar to like Connor McDavid
Dude not at all what r u smoking buddy
Best poker content on youtube. Can't wait for the next one.
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Omg, I thought that dude was going to bet that Q6 on the river. That would have been the worst-bet / bluff of all-time.
And, Linus's last all-in was a good play. He happened to be wrong, THIS TIME, but 65% of the time (about) that bluff works.
65p? lol.....
Ele tava praticamente nuts duas vezes e olhou pro teto, acho que foi o Charlie deveria ver isso como um tell
Gg. Keep going. Ty
Think I picked up a tell at 15:06
lol. I had to watch the scene a dozen of time to see it too. :p
@Finding Equilibrium Does it makes sense to propose a 25% Cbet sizing for Charlie? (Iirc Pio likes this sizing on this structure?)
I dont have this board exactly, but I have "Qs8s2d", and I've seen that Pio liked this sizing... Not used a lot, what do u think?
(For CO vs BB, not BTN vs BB, not the same but... Still, Ive seen Pio liked 25% often)
With this as parameters ; Are my parameters "absurd" for the Q82 situation in your opinion?
imgur.com/KRUEI5y
I ran the 76 hand through a top highstakes GTO reg and they came to pretty different conclusions than you. 76 shouldn't be a bluff candidate. Q8 and Q9 were the highest frequencies, which makes a lot more sense imo. I guess you and they may be using different preflop ranges.
Nice videos, by the way!
100% right on the cosmic connection with the universe :')
Thanks for watching and your comment! In the ICM model Q8 and Q9 (and I believe K8 and K9) were the highest bluff frequencies but for some reason were showing negative EV in my sim. When I removed ICM pio was bluffing more with 7x, but tbh I was surprised by that. I would have also thought straight blockers would be better bluff candidates. I should note that in both sims, pio was definitely not raising a majority of the time with 7x and advised that raising 7x was inferior to calling. I should have made that more clear.
I spoke to Llinus about it and he said he wasn't trying to do PIOstyle. He just felt like bluffing. Maybe we aren't so dissimilar 😁
Something I don't get about Charlie is he says a big read when someone is bluffing/doesn't want a call/raise is when the opponent smiles at you it means he's weak. Every time I see Charlie doing his bluff plays he smiles at the person. And when he has a strong hand, he isn't smiling....
Linus definitely didn't have enough behind to fold out anything Charlie was value betting. The odds behind mean it shouldn't be a bluff for the player who has to call which is why Charlie looks disgusted as he calls expecting to see a hand like 107 or 106 raising 1.4 million giving Charlie ridic odds when there's 5.7 million in the pot and he has to call 1.4 more. but this move would work much better in a cash game and is a solver preferred bluff candidate on a paired board, a move that goes back to Doug Polk several years ago trying to fold Antonius off a straight in a similar spot. I mean there are people out there good and competent enough to remember what the solver says they should do in certain spots but I cannot imagine a solver would ever recommend to bluff here with any frequency that is relevant to this spot.
How is GTO even achievable? The theory sounds great but your math cannot be anything less than perfect to execute GTO. Computers that play trillions of hands against itself arent even executing "Game Theory Optimal" correctly. Solving is a bit of an overstatement to a game this complex.
It's true that the solvers generally do not solve all the way to the equilibrium strategy and that many assumptions are required for the solves which you will not have in a real-life setting (e.g. knowing your opponent's exact range and strategies). However, that being said, the solutions are accurate enough where they can be immensely helpful to understand what the fundamentally optimal strategies are given the assumptions, even if the assumptions are not 100% true. Although not perfect, solvers are far superior to human intuition or experience when it comes to devising optimal strategies. There is a reason why solvers and bots are banned by most poker sites.
Same as for Tennis.
Is chess solved?
What's next in poker? How about 4 color cards in live games?
Good video as always, the table bb turn strategy %, are the frequencies only for turn Kh or all possible run-out? Thanks
Is there any way to contact you?
There is an email address on the channel page
@@Andrey43915 couldn't find it. Could you tell me it please?
@@Andrey43915 succeed. thx
Jesus, Linus is a robot. A GTO machine
Interesting tells: Of the four hands, in the first two hands when Loeliger flops top pair he looks up at the clock and waits before betting whereas in the last two with bottom pair he bets out more quickly. In other words, when he is strong he pretends to be weak and when he is weak he pretends to be strong. The only hand that Carrel is solid is at the end. In this case he bets it hard and then puts his hands over his mouth to hide any facial tells that he is enjoying the moment. This is the only time he does this. In other words, Carrel enjoys putting his opponent on edge by bluffing and smiles when he does so but when he isn't bluffing he wants to hide the joy, that in fact he has a real edge.
its a weak continuation bet, after the flop, meant to fool, am I wrong?
Can tell charlies really into his live reads constantly staring
Creepy af
Why would Linus shove the last hand, the only thing better he could get to fold is a weak ace, right?
lol check Jason Koon at 15:11
There is an irony that the first hand that Charlie had the best hand in this video Linus went broke 😂 I think we need a bigger sample to deduce anything here 😂
so in the end of the day exploitative poker aka cosmic connection with the universe took all those sweet GTO logic based chips ))
great result ty
result oriented much?
@@Lettucemode charlie won. GTO only works online
can i stake u
Loeniger is basically representing pockets 77's or 66's since he has 1 of both wich could take this line and it makes sense, could easily have mad at least A highs fold, so it was a good play imo even tho he got called. Good analysis.
Joao Alegria a highs fold? Ace on the board lol
Does linus think Charlie’s folding a 10 for 1.2m more?
The last hand he was turning his 76 into a bluff probably thought other guy was on a weak ace or something
A read does not have to be that opponent is either strong or weak. It can also be "opponent is either really strong (like having nuts) or bluffing. And it's more likely he is bluffing". This happens for instance when you see that opponent's hands all of a sudden starts to shaking when making a bet.
I am all for GTO but it's not fair to make fun of reads like you did when he bluffraised flop vs topset.
I love your videos by the way. Best on youtube.
Thank you!
is 7 6 really a bluff if you expect a few worse bluff catchers to call?
I like Linus’s shirt
Could you imagine how owned Charlie would be if the best cash player in the world took some time to learn to balance false tells in conjunction with GTO wizardry. That would be a thing of beauty.
Shut up
haha he looks up to randomize
Hi I think the viewers are more interested in the actual play than your analysis. Thank you.
charlie looks very lost / psyched out on this one. great player tho! great video! thanks!
He was just getting bad cards, thats all
Love when he turns over the str8 fold,hilarious!
He calls with the str8!
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