@@zackimus I would like to see them iterate on the “shout” fantasy that Warriors have and have then be more like a field commander calling the shots. They already have Commanding Shout to increase party HP. Maybe an AoE shout that decreases enemy dmg dealt by 5% as an intimidation tactic? Just a thought.
From a different perspective, I hate that 'class fantasy' notion about warriors just being a regular guy with a weapon and shield. Acts like an excuse to make the class bland and not fun or cool. Bloodlust, at least thematically, makes more sense on warrior than anyone else in my opinion. Generally speaking, I always thought warriors need more cool class specific things, especially those that are not necessarily useful in combat, ie, druid/Dk hearth, mage ports, mobility benefits like evoker flying, DH glide, etc.
From my testing on PTR , I can say that Ret Paladin looks very interesting because now we can actually play Divine Hammer since they changed the wording and how it works. I like it a lot, and the new set where you get Holy Power back so you can spend more Holy Power, making your Divine Hammer last longer , is going to be actually fun to play. I don't know if it's going to be the best talent choice , but from what I've played, it dealt a lot of damage on AoE and cleave , so I hope it's going to be viable.
Hpal here - changes are dogsh*t that are there to prop up the boring new tier bonuses by moving healing from other spells into holy shock. The meta (yet still underperforming) M+ build got triple nerfed. You can ignore the buffs to buttons nobody presses (or wants to press). Hpal stonks are down and continuing to dip.
You missed the biggest debuff Havoc got. The talent they swapped out thats forcing everyone to switch talent trees puts DH back to S3 DF, if you played that long ago. And they got rid of the talent that changes all damage to chaos, making mastery alot MUCH less useful and replaced it with the S3 DF tier set. They basically crushed our AoE with that. Made the immolate and our sigil of flame much less useful as well. Missed alot with Havoc. Unless the numbers get masively boosted and somehow even out, Havoc is in a shit spot. And death knights got debuffed. Not to their damage but to their survivability. Didn't look to be too much but time will tell as well
As a PVPER Havoc has been a SHIT SPOT the entire TWW, it's bullshit. I'm so sick of this game only making FoM their favorite classes and ruining everything else.
Ret pal here. The DH changes are good, after testing in the ptr m+ should be getting better numbers for aoe, will have to wait and see live sims when it comes out though As for meta: I think there will be more than 1 meta comp this season necause of the aug nerf and the buffs to other classes Ill be interested to see this im action
Shaman deals 20% more damage than any other class in high MM+ atm, if this doesn't change, this season 2 is doomed, for high MM+ at least, it's disgusting right now
Idk why they feel the need to nerf off healing from ret, was this really a balance problem? Maybe others know better than me but i really liked that I could throw out a clutch heal sometimes, that's part of the ret paladin fantasy to me, so I'm kinda sad they feel the need to hit it
dk is in a terrible spot an no one is happy XD........also crap loads of classes are bugged to hell an untestable...... this video is actualy pointless clickbait XD
Dk is in a horrible spot for sure. 3 fun hero talent trees, solid designs, best defensives in the game, battle Rez, 2 specs phenomenal at M+ Ur trolling.
@@iriseteru one of the specs is playable in every fight, and Frost is very good in some but especially ovinax. But regardless DK allways has its niche in a group with arguably the best aoe in the game and some of the best defense. It is also insane in m+ due to its aoe. A bit less single target is not a bad tradeoff for being the best at aoe and defense.
The problem with holy is that they changed how it played after WOTLK, by making it a builder/spender with holy shock. Before that change, it was a pure mana based healing spec. Now, buffing holy light IS nice, but it doesn’t generate resources. So either people will still ignore it…or it will dynamically change how holy paladin is played. It all depends on the numbers…but I doubt the change will work nicely holistically speaking.
@ i just realised holy light does build holy power. But yeah I don’t know. I used to enjoy healing with the holy paladin but I did it for so long before the change that till this day my go to heal in an emergency is flash of light. For some reason I cannot break that instinct 🤣
15:15 "Paladins weren't in a very good spot" yeah right.. Early season 1 holy was S tier until they - wouldn't say nerfed it, but more like balanced it- Then in november, Prot got reworked and became S tier, putting warriors in their rear view. Ret palas, well, Ret palas have no cooldown. They have avenging wrath on a 30 sec CD and they are pumping on every pack in M+ while mashing 2-3 btns max. What people still can't understand in the community that there are Pure dps classes and hybrid dps classes. Shamans (hybrid class), both dps specs are doing more dps than pure dps classes. This is fucked up. same story goes for ret palas. and hey, I am talking about 11+ keys... Probably y'all playing a different game than I play.
What do you mean the death knight community is happy right now? xD There doesn't go a day in the death knight discord without having discussion after discussion about how bad the gameplay is right now, specially for Frost Death Knights, the whole class feel like a roulette
-Dk has 2 top 5 performing m+ specs, and does great in short term fights (Quick Kills) Also has 3 super fun hero talent trees (Literally one of my alts) -arcane mage was broken half the season, and now their other two specs are solid -Devestation had its niche fights in race to world first when they were being stacked
Small note on the warlock side, I've been watching a streamer doing ptr keys and there is a party member who's a Destro warlock actually and he's been pumping. Aoe Destro is a menace, try to remember me.
Please… I miss old rogue :( I miss less buttons pressed but still good damage. Nobody enjoys pressing a button every second compared to people pressing less and doing more damage
@TheComebackKids in M+ it is currently one of the worst performing specs in the game, and to make matters even worse they are nerfing it's AOE into oblivion for the next patch. It's not just "not as good as it was at the start", it's pretty much a dead spec now.
@@TheComebackKids a leveled charecter doesnt count as ALT! for exsample: you said arcane was disgusting at early season ok show me a screen shot or a youtube video or a log that proof arcane deals any kind of damage near to good.
Bro are you out of ur mind? They were stacked in race to world first, and were #1 dps in m+ for like a month. Heres the links bro. Play the expac before crashing out on me man, im just the messenger www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38/?region=1&dataset=90 mythicstats.com/meta
@@TheComebackKids in this link you just sent, fire mage is better than frost dk right? and did you knew fire mage was a C tier spec right? and Frostk dk was S one - what a good metric
also in the other link: you can see how it fade away lemme tell you that it only got 2.4% nerf on it overall damage and die after a couple week, because it was and it is a trash spec
@TheComebackKids I'm going to definitely agree with you there. I actually like the hit and run tactic. Especially in pvp. When I found out I can get in, put up my bleeds, cc them and run was when I fell in love with feral. This was in WoTLK. But every expansion we seem to lose something about them. Now we are in this weird place I just hate.
The Enhancement Shaman dominated the entire first season, and now it’s good in the second season too? Is Blizzard’s staff an Enhancement Shaman player or what? Buff warriors, damn it!
@@TheComebackKids less energy problems from my POV but yeah, outside cooldowns its shit. All these combo points and sweating with the largest number of keybinds of any class to get damage around lightning bolt from a shaman. Also they ruined any healing power ferals had to support themselves. Now its just combo rotation with regrowth. TBH I started to enjoy resto more since its possible to spam damage abilities as well.
Dude really been enjoying your videos keep them up, your better then a lot of the bigger names for wow content! Excited for the next season, any idea when it comes out?
So paladino.. Holy its not in a good spot, never was. They Nerf AC playstile, caster r getting some love, but has no spot on the meta right now.. idk what blizz its trying to do.. force us to heal doing dmg and Nerf dmg overall.. buff caster spells, but they dont work well..
Ret: few changes, those that happened are not exciting or even helpful, HoL got a nerf and buff but it is a nerfed version of what is on live. MM talent/ability talent interactions on PRT seem interesting, but it is just completely for completely's sake since it does 11.0.5 amounts of damage if you can manage the new rotation. Prot Paladin is still the worst spec in the game for pvp with no buffs expected as it is the best tank for M+, Blizzard should tune separately to make corrections. Not particularly exited about 11.1.0 other than open world questing Undermine although I normally just pvp.
So basically you know nothing about the game and don't play most of the specs you are commenting on? have you tried vengence?! With new tier set they are topping DPS.
Demon hunter has a lot of bugs right now, and that is the reason they are topping the charts in ptr. It is unlikely to release the way it is. Also super ironic you say they know nothing about the game when you are flat out wrong.
DKs are in a terrible spot. Both dps specs are bottom of the barrel and have incredibly outdated play styles that haven't seen any significant updates in a decade.
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Goddamn, I just want Affliction to be based on DoTs - not mage-like burst windows.
Dude for real. Spamming rapture ainmt the move
No idea why locks are desperate for Drain life to be relevant. I dont think i've used it in pve since BC
@@A_B90_ Who said anything about wanting Drain Life? I just want a DoT class to play like a DoT class, not mage 2.0.
@ Its all in the lock forums and Discord, its was just a general quote, not aimed at you.
@@A_B90_ Is it? I haven't seen a single person wanting drain life to be relevant outside of a defensive ability.
As a dk, though it was doing well, the gameplay loop for frost and UH feels so bad. Frost DK also has the worst single target scaling.
Give warriors a bloodlust. 0 incentive to invite one as of now. No utility, ok damage and good CC that’s all
Bro that’s what im saying. Makes no sense they lack dmg and utility.
They should definitely have a BL ability, but what else could they actually give them?
@@zackimus I would like to see them iterate on the “shout” fantasy that Warriors have and have then be more like a field commander calling the shots. They already have Commanding Shout to increase party HP. Maybe an AoE shout that decreases enemy dmg dealt by 5% as an intimidation tactic? Just a thought.
From a different perspective, I hate that 'class fantasy' notion about warriors just being a regular guy with a weapon and shield. Acts like an excuse to make the class bland and not fun or cool. Bloodlust, at least thematically, makes more sense on warrior than anyone else in my opinion. Generally speaking, I always thought warriors need more cool class specific things, especially those that are not necessarily useful in combat, ie, druid/Dk hearth, mage ports, mobility benefits like evoker flying, DH glide, etc.
100% agree.
From my testing on PTR , I can say that Ret Paladin looks very interesting because now we can actually play Divine Hammer since they changed the wording and how it works. I like it a lot, and the new set where you get Holy Power back so you can spend more Holy Power, making your Divine Hammer last longer , is going to be actually fun to play. I don't know if it's going to be the best talent choice , but from what I've played, it dealt a lot of damage on AoE and cleave , so I hope it's going to be viable.
Hpal here - changes are dogsh*t that are there to prop up the boring new tier bonuses by moving healing from other spells into holy shock. The meta (yet still underperforming) M+ build got triple nerfed. You can ignore the buffs to buttons nobody presses (or wants to press). Hpal stonks are down and continuing to dip.
It still blows my mind that STORMstrike does physical damage.
The soon to be released balance patch will change most of this i suspect. Due any hour now.
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You missed the biggest debuff Havoc got. The talent they swapped out thats forcing everyone to switch talent trees puts DH back to S3 DF, if you played that long ago. And they got rid of the talent that changes all damage to chaos, making mastery alot MUCH less useful and replaced it with the S3 DF tier set. They basically crushed our AoE with that. Made the immolate and our sigil of flame much less useful as well. Missed alot with Havoc. Unless the numbers get masively boosted and somehow even out, Havoc is in a shit spot.
And death knights got debuffed. Not to their damage but to their survivability. Didn't look to be too much but time will tell as well
As a PVPER Havoc has been a SHIT SPOT the entire TWW, it's bullshit. I'm so sick of this game only making FoM their favorite classes and ruining everything else.
Ret pal here. The DH changes are good, after testing in the ptr m+ should be getting better numbers for aoe, will have to wait and see live sims when it comes out though
As for meta:
I think there will be more than 1 meta comp this season necause of the aug nerf and the buffs to other classes
Ill be interested to see this im action
I dont see how Havoc will be getting better aoe numbers. But I'm definitely interested to see it.
Shaman deals 20% more damage than any other class in high MM+ atm, if this doesn't change, this season 2 is doomed, for high MM+ at least, it's disgusting right now
Agree 100%, damage tuning in m+ is a joke
Yeah its crazy, I casually leveled a shaman alt and straight from 80lv it deals more damage than my main. And its also very easy.
Idk why they feel the need to nerf off healing from ret, was this really a balance problem? Maybe others know better than me but i really liked that I could throw out a clutch heal sometimes, that's part of the ret paladin fantasy to me, so I'm kinda sad they feel the need to hit it
dk is in a terrible spot an no one is happy XD........also crap loads of classes are bugged to hell an untestable...... this video is actualy pointless clickbait XD
Dk is in a horrible spot for sure. 3 fun hero talent trees, solid designs, best defensives in the game, battle Rez, 2 specs phenomenal at M+
Ur trolling.
Sadly no one want to acknowledge it, but yes, dks are in need of some serious tuning, or even better, a rework.
@@iriseterui mean a Little rework would be nice gameplaywise but it performs like crazy regardless
@@rophet5988 According to WCL, both dps specs are basically dead last in raid.
@@iriseteru one of the specs is playable in every fight, and Frost is very good in some but especially ovinax.
But regardless DK allways has its niche in a group with arguably the best aoe in the game and some of the best defense.
It is also insane in m+ due to its aoe.
A bit less single target is not a bad tradeoff for being the best at aoe and defense.
As a resto druid that mastery change is gonna be terrible since it's rewarding fewer charges with how damage is currently in ptr
Rogue needs like 7 less buttons to press to be ina good spot
rogue has been S tier in pvp for like 20 years lol
Yeah you are right lets remove buttons.. this game is too hard for 70 year olds
oh right i didnt realize i was commenting under bidens account
fewer* buttons
we need less buttons? they already made thistle tea automatically used and got rid of echoing reprimand?
fire feels the same, still super spamy and with crazy amounts of procs
The problem with holy is that they changed how it played after WOTLK, by making it a builder/spender with holy shock.
Before that change, it was a pure mana based healing spec.
Now, buffing holy light IS nice, but it doesn’t generate resources. So either people will still ignore it…or it will dynamically change how holy paladin is played. It all depends on the numbers…but I doubt the change will work nicely holistically speaking.
I never understood making Holy a builder spender.....
@ i just realised holy light does build holy power.
But yeah I don’t know. I used to enjoy healing with the holy paladin but I did it for so long before the change that till this day my go to heal in an emergency is flash of light. For some reason I cannot break that instinct 🤣
"Yea Spriest has gotten no changes on the PTR so maybe next major patch or next expansion." Lmao *cries in Spriest*
I think gameplay wise for the most part shadow is in a solid spot, I do think voidweaver needs some help.
What addon were you using during the mage clips? The pulse on glacial spike was cool
When is the season? feb 11th or 18th?
I THINK 25th
Where is the tierlist from?
There’s multiple sources
Mythicstats.com
Archon
Warcraft logs
@ thanks :-)
15:15 "Paladins weren't in a very good spot" yeah right..
Early season 1 holy was S tier until they - wouldn't say nerfed it, but more like balanced it- Then in november, Prot got reworked and became S tier, putting warriors in their rear view. Ret palas, well, Ret palas have no cooldown. They have avenging wrath on a 30 sec CD and they are pumping on every pack in M+ while mashing 2-3 btns max.
What people still can't understand in the community that there are Pure dps classes and hybrid dps classes. Shamans (hybrid class), both dps specs are doing more dps than pure dps classes. This is fucked up. same story goes for ret palas.
and hey, I am talking about 11+ keys...
Probably y'all playing a different game than I play.
so marksmanship hunter got buffed? Should I lvl it up?
Shiettttt it’s nasty right now on the logs, and atm tons of hunters think the update helps. I’d say at least farm some bountiful delves
@@TheComebackKids what about frost DK, i wanna lvl up something new because havoc is looking pretty bad rn
What do you mean the death knight community is happy right now? xD There doesn't go a day in the death knight discord without having discussion after discussion about how bad the gameplay is right now, specially for Frost Death Knights, the whole class feel like a roulette
There seems to be quite a few delusions in this video. DK, Arcane, Devastation, etc.
-Dk has 2 top 5 performing m+ specs, and does great in short term fights (Quick Kills)
Also has 3 super fun hero talent trees (Literally one of my alts)
-arcane mage was broken half the season, and now their other two specs are solid
-Devestation had its niche fights in race to world first when they were being stacked
Arcane mage was never broken, it was good for two weeks before it got nerf'd into the ground 🤪
@@TheComebackKids dk blows ass in pvp atm
@@TheComebackKids It was preservation spec that was in the RWF, not devestation.
Buff Rallying Cry back to 30% when used by Protection Warrior.
Small note on the warlock side, I've been watching a streamer doing ptr keys and there is a party member who's a Destro warlock actually and he's been pumping. Aoe Destro is a menace, try to remember me.
Please… I miss old rogue :( I miss less buttons pressed but still good damage. Nobody enjoys pressing a button every second compared to people pressing less and doing more damage
Wow no DK changes typical
Aug is still pumping on ptr. Not really that much of a nerf lol.
Arcane is in a terrible spot right now. Shows how little the devs know
It really is
If mages got all the specs good, the players would riot.
"All 3 mage specs are in a pretty good spot" ... loool dude, Arcane is f@*king $h1t right now, what you on about? 🤪
Just because it wasnt as good as the start of the expac doesnt mean its the worst.
Demo
Devastation
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@TheComebackKids in M+ it is currently one of the worst performing specs in the game, and to make matters even worse they are nerfing it's AOE into oblivion for the next patch. It's not just "not as good as it was at the start", it's pretty much a dead spec now.
I mean itd be hard to pitch the idea of 3 A or S Tier specs for one class. I mean jesus look at warrior druid and lock.
I feel your pain though
Bro you missed a whole-ass new spell for WW monks lol.
They are gonna turn holy paladin into range healer aren’t they. Smh
What are ur thoughts on holy atm?!?! I know prot and ret are in good spots, is holy viable at all?
What game is this?
The Mack daddy
@@TheComebackKids been playing my whole life
let's go Mages! came here to see your thoughts on Mages
SIGH! Why is Rising Light, Falling Night being removed?!
You knowa nothing about thise classes and youre only reading the patch note!
Literally didnt just read the patch notes! Have alts of almost every class all past 600 Ilvl so i have a base level of knowledge!
@@TheComebackKids a leveled charecter doesnt count as ALT! for exsample: you said arcane was disgusting at early season ok show me a screen shot or a youtube video or a log that proof arcane deals any kind of damage near to good.
Bro are you out of ur mind? They were stacked in race to world first, and were #1 dps in m+ for like a month.
Heres the links bro.
Play the expac before crashing out on me man, im just the messenger
www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38/?region=1&dataset=90
mythicstats.com/meta
@@TheComebackKids in this link you just sent, fire mage is better than frost dk right? and did you knew fire mage was a C tier spec right? and Frostk dk was S one - what a good metric
also in the other link: you can see how it fade away lemme tell you that it only got 2.4% nerf on it overall damage and die after a couple week, because it was and it is a trash spec
Wait why did you grey Jack's cam out like that? If you're going to use his content at least keep him in it, that's a little fishy not gonna lie.
I Usually tell the editor to do so because there have been creators who reach out that dont want their face shown
Hunter MM getting an overhaul? But well represented?
Yes you know allot of people play MM right?
I am so sick of feral not being looked at. And if druid dps is considered its always on balance.
I eprsonally love when ferals bleeds are the center focus. But time and time again, its just bite this bite that
@TheComebackKids I'm going to definitely agree with you there. I actually like the hit and run tactic. Especially in pvp. When I found out I can get in, put up my bleeds, cc them and run was when I fell in love with feral. This was in WoTLK. But every expansion we seem to lose something about them. Now we are in this weird place I just hate.
Bro making me reminisce the sodapoppin days. Jeez that shit was awesome. Miss that play style a lot.
arcane being the worst, practically shit in any aoe scenario... but good thing devs are happy with it
The Enhancement Shaman dominated the entire first season, and now it’s good in the second season too? Is Blizzard’s staff an Enhancement Shaman player or what? Buff warriors, damn it!
Dude idk what to say at this point.
Feral druid needs more work than this. The dps is dogshit, my elemental alt with barely 80 pumps higher dps
I’m over feral. Energy starved 24/7 and only good with cooldowns. Sad.
@@TheComebackKids less energy problems from my POV but yeah, outside cooldowns its shit. All these combo points and sweating with the largest number of keybinds of any class to get damage around lightning bolt from a shaman. Also they ruined any healing power ferals had to support themselves. Now its just combo rotation with regrowth.
TBH I started to enjoy resto more since its possible to spam damage abilities as well.
@EnhancedNightmare Ferals defensives are absolute DOG water. And their off healing is so underwhelming.
Dude really been enjoying your videos keep them up, your better then a lot of the bigger names for wow content! Excited for the next season, any idea when it comes out?
No word on date just yet.
Sheesh.... all this useless complicated systems. Im glad to have classic to avoid this silliy mess. GL out there!
Outlaw kinda got a huge change man. The slight of hand change is insane
That’s fair
+ new S2 set armor tailor made for outlaw
So paladino.. Holy its not in a good spot, never was. They Nerf AC playstile, caster r getting some love, but has no spot on the meta right now.. idk what blizz its trying to do.. force us to heal doing dmg and Nerf dmg overall.. buff caster spells, but they dont work well..
rip shadow...
Shadow getting zero is wild lmfao
Where is the buffs to Shadow priest… 😢 fucking sad at this point.
Yeah Lance isn’t too happy about that one either
Uhhh Sub lost shadow duel. That is a huge loss for sub rogue pvp.
Cmondude. Thumbs down
Nerf shaman to dust please, thanks
Ret: few changes, those that happened are not exciting or even helpful, HoL got a nerf and buff but it is a nerfed version of what is on live.
MM talent/ability talent interactions on PRT seem interesting, but it is just completely for completely's sake since it does 11.0.5 amounts of damage if you can manage the new rotation.
Prot Paladin is still the worst spec in the game for pvp with no buffs expected as it is the best tank for M+, Blizzard should tune separately to make corrections.
Not particularly exited about 11.1.0 other than open world questing Undermine although I normally just pvp.
So basically you know nothing about the game and don't play most of the specs you are commenting on? have you tried vengence?! With new tier set they are topping DPS.
Demon hunter has a lot of bugs right now, and that is the reason they are topping the charts in ptr. It is unlikely to release the way it is. Also super ironic you say they know nothing about the game when you are flat out wrong.
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DKs are in a terrible spot. Both dps specs are bottom of the barrel and have incredibly outdated play styles that haven't seen any significant updates in a decade.
Both dps specs are doing incredibly well though.
They did well in s1 and are very good on ptr right now as well
Do you even play😂 they’re not bottom of the barrel
@TooMuchTuna7 Do you even look at WCL? Yes, they are bottom of the barrel.
Ffs peeps havnt got 25mins to watch vids. Hardly get 25mins to play
I mean ok, you don’t have to watch the whole thing you know?
Lotta classes to go through lol
Then don’t watch dude some of us like the videos like this