I couldn’t agree with you more. Fox had become a fashion trend and no longer has the motocross community as a top priority. The community that made their name what it is. No longer a FOX supporter.
Funny i've had tons of fox apparel hell even my email has been foxracer since early 2000 from AOL days. There stuff wasnt trendy and good now its trendy and trash. Sucks but glad we have options.
All my gear in past was Fox now not a chance have same thing pair of pants that lasted 3 rides before rips in them. The community is tight and everyone shares their experiences it's only a matter of time until sales go to crap and company goes under. If I am ever in a store and see people looking at gear I speak up and tell them it's crap and just to watch a video or two online. Dealers need to just pull them out of their stores and then company will learn or go out of business
Fox is a family owned company. I believe they own Shift gear as well. I used to only buy Fox gear. 360 was the top of the line pants. The pants that your showing are they from the 360 line or are they from the cheaper 180 line? I too wear Klein these days. I’ve tried the new popular fasthouse gear but it too feels thin in the Protection department. I think Fly racing gear as far as performance is where Fox use to be. Sad!
One thing i've learnt with overseas products, it's not about the "country" that makes them, its about the quality assurance who approves "its good enough" for the market. Somewhere in Fox's team, someone saw the quality of these products, saw the testing and results and then said, "yep, how much money do we save? Good enough, sell it to our customers". That person/team is responsible for the quality drop.
Right on. There's nothing wrong with going to Asia for production. But some people cut costs until there's nothing left and those people DONT RIDE MOTORCYCLES. Maybe they should make mr quality assurance walk around the office with the ass of his pants stitched the same way
@clandestine2178 Pretty disgusting when you consider the consequences. I could give less fucks if my 10 dollar toaster breaks after 2 months... but having your boots split open or your helmet rust out when you're 600kms of gnarly off road from anything and you are in SERIOUS trouble if not already injured. You get what you pay for these days I suppose.. i'll be sticking to Klim gear until i hear otherwise.
Exactly it. Some FANTASTIC quality products come out of China. It's all about the stamp of approval the brand puts on it. In other words, you get what you pay for. If the company wats to spend very little to produce a product, then the Chinese factory will find a way to make it for that price.
Dude, I don't think you've ever looked this passionate about a negative turn a product has taken. I appreciate your honesty and I hope Fox will take measures to "right the ship" before they go into an unrecoverable tail spin. Awesome video.
I think Fox is sinking, but people who don't know better are still buying the gear and apparel and keeping them from going under. Fox gear looks great and is really eye catching, but it literally falls apart. I had several seams on several riding pants open up from just normal riding! That is totally unacceptable!
@@crosstrainingenduro wasnt it shortly after you publicly questioned Fox on their quality that your TH-cam channel was mysteriously shut down briefly? How long untill they get Kyle shut down after this rant? (a well warrented rant btw) lol
Kyle, I couldn’t agree more and they absolutely have went down hill. The two shops I purchase from locally say the same thing. Great video and keep up the great work.
I have had the exact same experience. I have stuff I bought 8 yrs ago and still run it from time to time. MSR has served me well for the money and honestly I feel it is way better quality than the current fox iterations.
Yup. Same here. Bought all new Fox gear two years ago. Pants are ripped, not from crashing, roost guard broken (shoulder pads poorly designed and broke off, not during a crash), my boots are totally worn out and two buckles are broken. I'm in the process of replacing everything and none of it is Fox. Great and honest review. Hopefully Fox listens and betters their practices. That would be the mature thing to do.
I love these types of videos especially when I’m constantly looking for new and more riding gear just because and these help me decide generally I go with fly. I love them they are comfy and fit me right
So many brands get big and sell and then it’s all about paying their employees as little as possible while ceos and others take as much profit as they can. Quality of the product doesn’t matter to them because they’re too big and well known to fail, they figure.
This is what happens when you hire outside bean-counters for Senior Management positions (CEO, CFO, etc.). They don't understand the product (widgets to them), and have zero history with the company. The book-smart, bean-counters understand "widgets" and "profit margins" but they have never ridden a dirt bike, nor do they ever want to. They quickly destroy the long-earned reputation of the company by using inferior materials and offshore manufacturing to improve the bottom line. By the time their destructive actions are found out (e.g., ripped garments, buckles falling off), they're off to implement their destructive talents at the next company. I'm not sure that this is actually going on at FOX, but I've seen it happen at companies that I've worked at. Companies rarely promote from within any more.
I totally agree. Funny enough, my uncle was an outside bean counter brought into help Fox through some changes probably 17 (+/-) years ago. While I don't know the ins and outs of what he did there (I was around 13 y/o at the time), it would seem they kept the quality standards high. I have pair of Fox pants from that time period that I wore the crap out of for years, and my wife now wears on the odd occasions that she rides. I still have a couple enduro jackets in use from back then as well. A lot has changed since then and so many brands just want to make sleek trendy stuff to show off in instagram pics, without regard for quality. As long as people buy it, they don't care. I am now a bean counter myself and when I hear talks of a reputable manufacturer looking to cut corners or move production to low cost regions, I just cringe. Hope Fox turns this around, I've been hearing a lot of complaints lately.
@@thomasturnbull8770 When I rode in the late 70's and 80's, FOX was about the only game in town. Now, there are several other companies vying for the same dirt-bike gear market. There may be some growth in dirt bike riding, but the real growth is in side-by-sides, which don't seem to use a lot of riding gear. They have probably off-shored manufacturing and designed in some obsolescence, so the gear has to be replaced with the newest model every year or two. I guess the old adage rings true that, "you get what you pay for."
Kyle has always taken the high road when it comes to reviews over the years. He won't review something if he has nothing good to say. The fact that he came out on a rant speaks volumes about how Fox has gone downhill. Glad to know I'm not the only one having these same experiences with there gear lately.
This is sad to hear.. I have a older pair of Fox pants that have held up great. But I've lost weight since then and was looking to get a smaller pair. I will for sure hold off on my purchase now. Step it up Fox.
I agree 100%! I blew out a seam on my first ride with Fox 360 pants. I sewed it up and blew out 2 more seams on my second ride! I've had the same thing happen with several Fox 180 pants.I'm a recreational rider on a mx track with no serious falls. I'm done with Fox!
The 5 people who disliked this video work for fox... I went through 3 pairs of instincs in a half of season. I blasted them so hard online after they said the damage was my fault. I had so many people say they had the same issues. I then finally got a phone call back from fox and they replaced my boots. They said they had a meeting about the quality. That was 3 years ago haha.
I've always liked Fox, but the drop in quality is unacceptable. Are they even listening to the people that use their products? They're doing just fine in the mountain bike department though. Very popular gear that seems to hold up well.
I have heard the same elsewhere. My 10-year old Klim gear still in great shape. Definitely a quality difference. Same with my 10-year old Alpinestars Tech 7s - can’t kill them. Good on you for calling them out.
Hey Kyle I am 51 yrs old been using fox gear all my life.. my favorite gear until about 2-3 yrs ago I just had enough of wasted $ every fox product I have purchased lasted so long. but when it started to be manufactured in China it fell apart so fast.. stitching blows out on gloves after like 2-3 rides.. didn’t even get them wet. Boots failing...pants and shirts failing..I agree materials are not as durable..and most of all quality of workmanship is way off.. it’s all high dollar made in china junk now.. very upsetting for the $ spent.. but then again most made in China crap fails very quickly no matter what the product .. it’s sad !!!
Grew up watching Bubba in Fox so I was a fan. Lately been leaning away from them also. Bought a pair of Fox Comp R boots. $250 and the bottom buckle won’t even lock. This video was much needed. Wish I could afford that replica LE James Stewart zebra striped gear yrs ago. Now that was worth the money.
Interesting. I had FOX back in the late 80's and early 90's, the quality was outstanding and lasted forever. Fast forward to 2006-2008 and I bought FOX gear again, but the quality went in the toilet. It was 100% garbage and didn't last. I gave up on FOX and haven't gone back. The gear fell apart on me. Gloves would last a ride or two and be blown out. I bought a FOX MTB jersey around the same time and it was HORRIBLE. The material they used was super hot, sticky and didn't breath. For a company I once loved, I'll never go back.
Thanks for the knowledge. My kids just starting to race competition. He likes all the wild color schemes of Fox. I was getting ready to blow my wad on multiple outfits. Then this video roles thru and blows my bleeping mind. Thank you sir. Well played brothaaaaa.
100% agree. Back in the day when I couldn't afford Fox I wish I had some of their quality gear. Now, later down the road, when I can afford it - I am not impressed what-so-ever. Not supporting Fox anymore!
I have had brand new FOX gear start to fall apart after 2 weeks and the distributor in New Zealand refuses to warranty these pants. I have had another set of Thor pants that I have been using for 20 years and just yesterday had a massive enduro with them. They are still holding up fine. The FOX products nowadays is the same quality as the counterfeit products on Aliexpress but they charge top dollar.
Love it that you called them out. I refuse to buy Fox anything because the last pant and jersey I got fell apart in 3 months. Agree that their old stuff was great
bought (expensive) fox legion pants and jacket...right away notice reflective material coming off after one wash and dont get me started on abrasion resistance. What can you do when a company decides to produce in China to maximize their profit at our expenses... Went back to KLIM quality products. Also note KLIM warranty is the best by far in the industry.
I've got myself a pair of fox Comp boots. Maybe 120h of mixed trail use, about 8 months. It looks worse now than a pair of alpinestar Tech 3's I've had for over 3 years, it feel slike it's gonna fall completely apart anytime now. Keep up the nice work, cheers from Brazil.
Totally agree. I was an all Fox gear guy for years, since I was a kid. About 3 years ago I noticed the same thing, now I only wear Klim. I haven’t been able to wear the Klim gear out yet! I just buy new to get the new colors 😜
Kyle don't hesitate to put these sorts of videos out there...we need more real content like this. TH-cam already has enough bs videos. My klim stuff has been bulletproof.
I agree totally, if the product is junk it merits a poor review. These company's need feedback when their products fail to meet our expectations. They don't even get the opportunity to fix the faults. Kyle has built an excellent platform for raising awareness for stuff like this and has shown integrity and fairness.
@@beauhawk1146 I appreciate that he doesn't take cheap shots, I do like to hear honest reviews even when they aren't positive. I think Kyle has done daily well at that, he possibly leans a bit towards not offering opinion when a product is less than great. That's my personal view at the end of the day he needs to do what makes sense to him.
Same here. I just bought a Fox Comp 5 enduro boots a couple months ago. And one of the buckle straps was ripped off from the boots in one of my trail rides. And I wasn’t even doing hardcore enduro. Unacceptable quality for this price range. Shame on you, Fox!
Completely agree. I've always been a fox guy, but the past few things I've purchased from them, have been poor quality. Bought a pair of fox dirt paws gloves, and both gloves split from the seems in two rides.
Fly's Kinetic series and pretty much all Troy Lee stuff has been serving me well for a while. I took a hard digger is my TLD GP Air mesh pants and there wasn't so much as a single thread that was damaged.
Completely agree with you, Kyle! Same problems. Bought new gear from fox and they simply busted out, pants. Also I have a pair of pants from back 2014 and they are bullet proof. Don’t quite understand how they make them anymore.Bought a new pair of fox instinct and they have the same problems. The buckles, the sole etc. hopefully they resolve these issues and start making quality stuff all around.
I agree also. I purchased a pair of Fox OTB pants two years ago and have rode six or eight times with them. First or second ride I ripped a hole in the rear-end but it probably was not the pants fault. I had it professionally fixed but not the crotch soon ripped on the inside, the small tooth zipper on the leg is now broken and there are many many little holes in that flexible material like you shown.
I've experienced the same thing. I have a pair of Fox shorts that look just like the older blue & white pants in your video. I've had them for at least 12 years and wore the hell out of them DH mountain biking for at least 9 years. Lots of abuse, crashes and runs through the washing machine, and they still look pretty good. I bought a pair of Fox 180 dirt bike pants last year and they're starting to fall apart after 8 easy/mellow rides and 3 washes. The newer jerseys all look heavily worn as well. Now that I've seen your video, I know it's not just me. I'll just avoid Fox gear until they start making better quality stuff.
Another dissatisfied fox customer, for many years the gear they try to pass off is JUNK, even my fox boots. I broke a buckle, and couldn't get a replacement on a brand new pair of boots.I refuse to wear ANYTHING that says fox on it..I have a pair of 25 year old Alpinestar boots.NEVER had an issue. Thanks for the honesty
Dude - the Alpinestars Tech 7 Enduros changed my game. They just rolled out a new waterproof enduro as well. I highly recommend you check them out. Great value also and they are comfortable as all get out with a roomy toebox unlike the ones you’ve been riding.
About time someone called Fox out on this. I never owned Fox years ago so can't say, but I did buy a few items back in 2018. Pants and boots. Bought them online thinking that Fox had a stellar reputation. Pants look so cheap and now are worn out in the seat and I need to replace after just a few seasons. Boots felt cheap and did not seem to provide much protection. Sold them a few months back and got some good Alpinestars tech 10s. No more Fox garbage for me .....ever again! Thanks for doing this video Kyle.
Bro, agree 100%. I bought a fresh set of Fox gear last year and I've worn through them after 20 uses. Not good. A few months ago I converted my entire kit to Klim (jersey, pant, gloves). So far my Klim gear shows zero wear, so I'm very happy with that. I run a 6D helmet, so I'm not changing that to Klim. It's sad that Fox has slid this far. Here is hoping that they get the message and go back to making great gear as a priority.
I'm 54 years old and riding again. Back in teh day I would buy Fox 180 and 360 gear. It was AWESOME, durable, good looking, etc. I bought a full set of Fox gear last year and rode three times. The pants are OK but the jersey is trashed. No big wrecks or anything, it just fell apart, snagged, stretched, etc.
100% agree. Been riding for 20 years now. Stopped buying fox anything the last 8 years. All they are is good looks and advertising. Love the channel man
I actually have a unique perspective on this. I purchased my first bike in 10 years this summer, aka i haven't bought pants in about 12-14 years because pants used to always last. Jerseys i always had 5 or 6 in the trunk to stay dry between rides and they would get torn up decently quick. When i went to purchase new gear i was absolutely shocked with modern pants. I thought maybe it was just 1 brand so i tried on about a dozen pairs of pants across many brands (fly, msr, fox, thor, axo) and ALL OF THEM were nothing like pants we used to buy. i tried on one pair from a brand i won't specify and i just said nope! these aren't safe. i can't imagine them having any burn protection if the bike pins my leg. So thin if i took a slide a few feet back down a hill at low speed i think i'd skin my knee through them. And i'm not going to say one brand was worth than the other, they were almost all pitiful. I respect the effort they've put into gear now being thinner and lighter than scratchy shredded heavy cotton blankets like my hand me down gear was when i was kid, but wow. The closeout MSR pants were the heaviest things i could find in the store, so i got them, and thank god they were cheap, because i don't see them lasting more than half a season of riding. If maybe a company were paying attention to the market and made quality protective pants you can't see through again and reasonably priced them, they could make a killing in the weekend warrior market just saying.
I have a pair of 2001-ish Fox 360 pants, wore them probably for 10 plus years, still wearable (just dont fit anymore). 2012 Fox 360 "Covert" full gearset featuring the helmet, jersey, pants, and gloves. I wore the gloves out completely after about 5 years or so, the rest of the gear is still in very good condition and the helmet still feels remarkably fresh for its age (the liner and padding isnt all sacked out). Some light color fading/running on the jersey, nothing major. Excellent looking gear. 2014 Fox 180 Anthem gear, been wearing that for about 5 years too, good, tough gear. You can notice a difference in the "feel" of the pants compared to the 360 gear but it still holds up just as well. However, I've had one pair of Fox boots....ehhh not so great. They were kind of on the lower end, they weren't very comfortable and they fell apart pretty quick. The Alpinestars Tech 7s I upgraded to are light years ahead of them just in about every aspect. No issues with durability, quality, or comfort with the Alpinestars. I also got a newer set of Fox gloves (2018), the fit and feel are nice, but they are coming apart much more rapidly then the Dirtpaws and 360 gloves Ive had in the past.
I Agree with you 100 %. I still have an 80s pair of answer pants that unfortunately I’m too fat to fit into but have no rips no tears are in perfect condition very well used. Sad to see some Companies going downhill quality wise I still charging top dollar for the product!!
Thank you for your honesty. The consumer should appreciate your honest feedback. I just bought a pair of Fox 180 boots which I have not used yet due to waiting for a left hip replacement. They are the first pair of boots I have bought as I had purchased my first motocross bike (new 2018 Yamaha WR 250F in August 2019). Hope i'm happy with them. Enjoy your channel. All the best, take care Kyle 🏁
Totally agree with you, my Shot riding gear (low tier price) that I got for many years is less worn out than my few months old top tier FOX gears (180 & 360)... Regarding boots, Gaerne has a really good price for value and seams to be one of the last brand not moving to China for production (even if it doesn't mean much, quality control can be as good there as it is in USA / Italy etc).
I agree totally!!! Fox instinct boot fell apart on the sole after 6 months, weekend rides (24 rides!!!!!!) when i tried to ask what to do for a resole, nada...... Fox kit 180... crap falls apart straight away, too thin, leather inner knees wear through after no time at all! Honestly, you cannot say anymore that FOX is a high quality brand.....
Just had this conversation with my brother right before you posted this up. Way to speak up and put it out there! Hopefully it helps someone not make the same mistake as us. Now lets see you get some FXR podium offroad gear! 2021 stuff just dropped and looks really good but don't want to make the same mistake i did with the fox legion.
I have the same legion pants you showed. Mine look the same as yours and the zippers in the pockets quit working. My previous pants were an older version of fox legion. Just as wrecked. My fox gloves wear through the palms and between fingers. My fox goggles have the foam coming unglued from the frame. My fox boots have been nothing but problems. Even though I get discounts on fox gear, I haven’t been buying it. It just doesn’t last. I have a fox V3 helmet and fox gear bag. Both of which I do like. Also their casual clothing is nice.
The palms of my Fox gloves wear out after 2 rides. I cut the cheap velcro off before the first ride. I've got ~15 rides on my Fox ITB pants and they are done. I wind up wearing my old gear (TLD, MSR). It looks a bit raggety but no holes, velcro still sticks, and buttons still button
Spot on! My old man still uses his Fox gear he got back in 2003 with his brand new bike. It's only got 1 rip where some stitching come undone. I got some new crap last year and on the second ride ripped stitching out in the pants. But haven't had any problems with my instinct boots yet. Just waiting for them to fail also.
20 years ago when my dad bought his xr 650r he got a bundle that came with it that had fox racing x Honda gear and he still uses the pants shirt and gloves 20 years later and my 2 year old pants already have a foot sized hole in them
With 10year+ old gear in my closet from fly racing and One Industries I know that the older gear was heavy, but much more durable!! I rode in my one industries gear for years and the gear held up without ripping or issues. Compared to new Motocross gear from (Alpinestar, Fly, and Shift) that have all ripped!! Newer gear is way thinner and much more lightweight, but that weight loss and increased air flow also comes with a loss of durability.
I agree. I have the instinct boots which have held up okay but had similar issues. I bought the 2020 v3 helmet this year and couldn't get a duplicate visor after a crash on a helmet less than a year old. Im going to start using Alpinestars from now on.
I have gloves, bomber gloves like $50 to $60 and the finger tips are poking out and both straps ripped off and the middle of my index and middle finger has a large hole in it.
i have fox pants got them in 2018 still wear them to this day i’ve had like 3 massi crash’s in them got fox boots and i’ve rode them for like 3 months now probably still are perfect
I have found the same thing. I have two old pairs of Fox 360 pants and they are bomber. One old pair of Fox 180 and they are great. I go looking for new pants and then new Fox looks like they'll rip after one ride. I was confused why it was and thinking if I wore my knee braces that the new pants wouldn't hold up for one mx session never mind an off road ride. I am so glad I'm seeing a video that says what I've been thinking. Come on Fox, make a 'new' line that is like the old one.
Yup you are totally right brother! My boots suck! No protection, no loc-tite on the buckle screws... wasted My money. I don't wanna sell them so nobody else tears up their ankles. Thanks for the video, I thought it was just Me👍🤙
I quit buying fox gear about 2 years ago. To me fox is more of a fashion trend, like you see people in public wearing fox apparel and they don't even know it's about dirt biking. I've converted to Fly Racing gear, but I really like the Alpine Stars Tech lineup of boots. I've had the Tech 7's and I now have the Tech 3's. And I know they aren't boots that'll last 5 years, but they are very comfortable, and have really good feeling for the shifter and brake levers. And when riding single track enduro for a full day boots that are comfortable, supportive, and very protective is the most important for me anyway.
I just purchased my first helmet a couple weeks ago, a Fox V3 Idol orange/blue medium and it fits weird. I am super worried that I made the wrong decision on such an important piece of gear now. I'm glad you had the heart to make this video.
I agree too.. I bought a pair of fox boots from RMATV also. When i tried them on , the right boot was smaller than the left. I have never had that kinda of problem with any shoe or boot of any kind before... I sent them back and bought alpinestars. I will never buy fox again.
Great video Kyle! You are not wrong. I stopped buying Fox gear now about 2 years ago and i use to be that rider that wore everything Fox. Sad to see their quality drop.
I've never liked Fox gear but I started riding 5 years ago. My brother recently picked up a new pair of Fox Instinct boots and they had the exact same issue that yours had with the buckle screw pulling/stripping out. Glad someone is calling attention to Fox's big time quality decline.
I agree 100 percent !!!! Fox used to be really nice stuff and its all gone down hill. I feel its on par with house brand stuff of many distributors. Im about to get bent over getting fresh gear going from Fox to Klim and Gaerne but I need good gear and cant deal with the numb toes fox boots give me .
Man I feel you I've been a Fox fanboy since I was a teenager 15 years ago doing DH Mtb, I started Enduro riding this year and got a kit and a pair of Instinct boots. I broke the first strap within the first 3 ride and broke a second one few month later, neither of the straps were damaged where they cracked, from such and expensive pair of boots I wasn't impressed. As for the kit the fit is good and I haven't had too many issues with it, I appreciate the very stretchy and breathable materials used and know this comes to the price of longevity but again I have put roughly 40h in my 180deg pant and it still looks fresh. Now the gloves are another story, many blown stitches, the palms got worned out fairly quickly too and that's 2 pairs I bought with the kit that have seen use in Bmx and Mtb too but not that many hours, meanwhile I still have my very first pair from the early 2000's that are in mint shape aside from the faded colors. Big let down but this is typical when familly owned business get bought by finance corporate suits. Set the quality to garbage, make maximum profit, once the image of the company is destroyed dur to the products not being what they used to be but still sold at a premium then get rid of your shares and move on to the next company to suck dry ...
I’ve always seen Fox Racing stuff as a status symbol (I got a lot of Money to buy a fancy outfit). I know a few guys that drop $2k on new gear set every year they only use the stuff for one season. have to have the latest fashion or just show off. Which is whatever makes no difference to me it’s not my money unless you’re the poor and jealous type. The stuff is certainly lighter weight than it used to be and does not seem to have the same longevity. With their current marketing strategy it looks like “premium” they are trying to target higher-end more disposable income people and are not so worried about making long lasting products. I can’t really blame them for there casual clothing either because basically they slap their logo on any product and it sells. Saw some comments about posers. You can wear whatever you want. wearing something doesn’t make you a poser, lying about what you actually do makes you a poser. If wearing something with a company logo on it makes you a poser then everyone that has ever worn a sports team, car company or gun manufacture piece of clothing is by definition a poser. But I would definitely agree Kyle. I recently got a pair of fox racing pants from a yard sale brand new with the tags mint condition from 1999. Only payed $20. Comparing them to modern ones the build quality I would say is more than double.
I would justike to say that your are hitting the nail on the head right here... My dad hor me Thor kit 3yeaes ago not a single hole on the pants my shirt has one yess but It hooked to a thorn bush... I thought I was smart and bought me a pair of fox 360 kit on sale I mabye used it 3 times and it has holes as big as my chest... My point being is that fox really downgraded and I think it's great kit for motocross because you Cann feel the material it's alot thinner than my thor kits so yeah....
That is really too bad. They have some really cool designs and colors. Was ready to spring on the exact pant you were calling out in this video, but not anymore. You saved me. Back to Klim I go.
Thanks . the last I bought gear Fox was great. I would definitely have considered it had you not made this video. Dirt bike riding strains our family budgets. Buying junk gear is like stealing from our families
So many companies have been focused on cutting costs lately.. of course, these cost savings are never passed on to the consumer. From my experience, it is due to employees from the engineer's to the executives, justifying their bonus and large salaries (look how much money I saved the company this quarter). Meanwhile , no one actually looks at the long term impact and realizes it actually costs the company much more, due to loss of customer base. It takes time, but it always happens.
Got back into riding a year ago and had Fox gear from 1994 lol Bought klim gear and have ridden in crazy country here in Colorado it’s held up awesome!! Fox wants to sell stuff to people who buy stuff at the mall
I would say that hopefully after a few public figures within our sport such as yourself and Barry have questioned their quality that they would get their shit together and smarten up, but we all know that will never happen. I've bought Fox in the past based on price given our local supplier blows old gear out for cheap every year, not doing that anymore as it would have been far cheaper to pay full price for good boots and good pants than to replace it with cheap Fox garbage over the past few years. I plan to support the companies that support our sport rather than waste money on companies that obviously only care about profit.
Love this. Your honest opinion is why we subscribe. Like it or not. Yes , Kyle has said many things in other vids I disagree with.. and I respect his opinion. I still subscribe and still want his opinion on a lot of stuff. I personally have thought Fox stuff was junk for a while now. Nice to hear him give them a basic ass ripping 🤣
Brand new Fox Bomber gloves fell apart very first ride. Stitching between the palm and thumb tore. Fox backpack from 2005, been to hell and back. Still holding up.
I'm also having problems with their gear. Instinct boots lost a cuff screw within a few rides. Sole split in a minor tip over. Pants buckle broke the first time putting them on. Friend also lost a boot strap on his instincts just riding, didn't even crash. They have definitely gone down hill.
When weighting your options between Fox gear and a burlap sack. 1 there's a clear advantage over Fox when it comes to price. 2 the styling of burlap is timeless. 3 burlap is extremely breathable. 4 people will think you're a barbarian when wearing a burlap sack.
I have had the same issue with my fox gear!! The pants and jersey lasted about 5-6 rides and it’s completely thrashed! On my Fox boots the buckles have ripped all the way off, not able to fix! It has turned into high priced throw away gear!
I couldn’t agree with you more. Fox had become a fashion trend and no longer has the motocross community as a top priority. The community that made their name what it is. No longer a FOX supporter.
Funny i've had tons of fox apparel hell even my email has been foxracer since early 2000 from AOL days. There stuff wasnt trendy and good now its trendy and trash. Sucks but glad we have options.
They are more worried about t shirt sales then riding gear. You pay that kind of money for gear it better be good
All my gear in past was Fox now not a chance have same thing pair of pants that lasted 3 rides before rips in them. The community is tight and everyone shares their experiences it's only a matter of time until sales go to crap and company goes under. If I am ever in a store and see people looking at gear I speak up and tell them it's crap and just to watch a video or two online. Dealers need to just pull them out of their stores and then company will learn or go out of business
In their endless drive to make lighter and more advanced materials, they have forgotten their actual purpose.
I would argue save money. Cutting corners in quality.
Kyle gone savage! I love it. I haven't bought fox in yrs for this reason. I like my alpine boots, an fxr gear. Keep up the great work.
Fox is a family owned company. I believe they own Shift gear as well. I used to only buy Fox gear. 360 was the top of the line pants. The pants that your showing are they from the 360 line or are they from the cheaper 180 line? I too wear Klein these days. I’ve tried the new popular fasthouse gear but it too feels thin in the Protection department. I think Fly racing gear as far as performance is where Fox use to be. Sad!
FXR gear is amazing. I love it so much and it looks sick
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One thing i've learnt with overseas products, it's not about the "country" that makes them, its about the quality assurance who approves "its good enough" for the market. Somewhere in Fox's team, someone saw the quality of these products, saw the testing and results and then said, "yep, how much money do we save? Good enough, sell it to our customers". That person/team is responsible for the quality drop.
Right on. There's nothing wrong with going to Asia for production. But some people cut costs until there's nothing left and those people DONT RIDE MOTORCYCLES.
Maybe they should make mr quality assurance walk around the office with the ass of his pants stitched the same way
Low integrity sell outs
@clandestine2178 Pretty disgusting when you consider the consequences. I could give less fucks if my 10 dollar toaster breaks after 2 months... but having your boots split open or your helmet rust out when you're 600kms of gnarly off road from anything and you are in SERIOUS trouble if not already injured. You get what you pay for these days I suppose.. i'll be sticking to Klim gear until i hear otherwise.
Exactly it. Some FANTASTIC quality products come out of China. It's all about the stamp of approval the brand puts on it. In other words, you get what you pay for. If the company wats to spend very little to produce a product, then the Chinese factory will find a way to make it for that price.
Dude, I don't think you've ever looked this passionate about a negative turn a product has taken. I appreciate your honesty and I hope Fox will take measures to "right the ship" before they go into an unrecoverable tail spin. Awesome video.
I think Fox is sinking, but people who don't know better are still buying the gear and apparel and keeping them from going under. Fox gear looks great and is really eye catching, but it literally falls apart. I had several seams on several riding pants open up from just normal riding! That is totally unacceptable!
That Australian guy has been ragging on Fox for a while too.
I think it was because he spent a bunch of money on gear that turned out to be shit too. 500 bucks for anything is a lot of money.
Crosstrainingenduro?
Ya he has🤣 - with the facts 🧐
@@atlas_au I had a problem with a Fox helmet and I've been waiting nine months for a reply despite numerous emails.
@@crosstrainingenduro wasnt it shortly after you publicly questioned Fox on their quality that your TH-cam channel was mysteriously shut down briefly? How long untill they get Kyle shut down after this rant? (a well warrented rant btw) lol
Kyle, I couldn’t agree more and they absolutely have went down hill. The two shops I purchase from locally say the same thing. Great video and keep up the great work.
I have had the exact same experience. I have stuff I bought 8 yrs ago and still run it from
time to time. MSR has served me well for the money and honestly I feel it is way better quality than the current fox iterations.
Yup. Same here. Bought all new Fox gear two years ago. Pants are ripped, not from crashing, roost guard broken (shoulder pads poorly designed and broke off, not during a crash), my boots are totally worn out and two buckles are broken. I'm in the process of replacing everything and none of it is Fox. Great and honest review. Hopefully Fox listens and betters their practices. That would be the mature thing to do.
I love these types of videos especially when I’m constantly looking for new and more riding gear just because and these help me decide generally I go with fly. I love them they are comfy and fit me right
This is what happens when a company is sold off. Profit becomes the most important thing for the share holders.
Yup and then they forget what got them the brand loyalty to begin with.
Just like Delphi auto parts
So many brands get big and sell and then it’s all about paying their employees as little as possible while ceos and others take as much profit as they can. Quality of the product doesn’t matter to them because they’re too big and well known to fail, they figure.
I’m 15 and I’m actually using my dads Thor gloves from about 20 years ago. They’ve got a lot of miles on them, and they don’t show any wear.
My Fox Instinct boots fell apart too. I was pissed!! I think the gear I probably fine for moto guys but for woods riding I am sticking with Klim
The kids boots are junk. The straps break off with little use
This is what happens when you hire outside bean-counters for Senior Management positions (CEO, CFO, etc.). They don't understand the product (widgets to them), and have zero history with the company. The book-smart, bean-counters understand "widgets" and "profit margins" but they have never ridden a dirt bike, nor do they ever want to. They quickly destroy the long-earned reputation of the company by using inferior materials and offshore manufacturing to improve the bottom line. By the time their destructive actions are found out (e.g., ripped garments, buckles falling off), they're off to implement their destructive talents at the next company. I'm not sure that this is actually going on at FOX, but I've seen it happen at companies that I've worked at. Companies rarely promote from within any more.
I totally agree. Funny enough, my uncle was an outside bean counter brought into help Fox through some changes probably 17 (+/-) years ago. While I don't know the ins and outs of what he did there (I was around 13 y/o at the time), it would seem they kept the quality standards high. I have pair of Fox pants from that time period that I wore the crap out of for years, and my wife now wears on the odd occasions that she rides. I still have a couple enduro jackets in use from back then as well. A lot has changed since then and so many brands just want to make sleek trendy stuff to show off in instagram pics, without regard for quality. As long as people buy it, they don't care. I am now a bean counter myself and when I hear talks of a reputable manufacturer looking to cut corners or move production to low cost regions, I just cringe. Hope Fox turns this around, I've been hearing a lot of complaints lately.
@@thomasturnbull8770 When I rode in the late 70's and 80's, FOX was about the only game in town. Now, there are several other companies vying for the same dirt-bike gear market. There may be some growth in dirt bike riding, but the real growth is in side-by-sides, which don't seem to use a lot of riding gear. They have probably off-shored manufacturing and designed in some obsolescence, so the gear has to be replaced with the newest model every year or two. I guess the old adage rings true that, "you get what you pay for."
Kyle has always taken the high road when it comes to reviews over the years. He won't review something if he has nothing good to say. The fact that he came out on a rant speaks volumes about how Fox has gone downhill. Glad to know I'm not the only one having these same experiences with there gear lately.
This is sad to hear.. I have a older pair of Fox pants that have held up great. But I've lost weight since then and was looking to get a smaller pair. I will for sure hold off on my purchase now. Step it up Fox.
I agree 100%! I blew out a seam on my first ride with Fox 360 pants. I sewed it up and blew out 2 more seams on my second ride! I've had the same thing happen with several Fox 180 pants.I'm a recreational rider on a mx track with no serious falls. I'm done with Fox!
The 5 people who disliked this video work for fox...
I went through 3 pairs of instincs in a half of season. I blasted them so hard online after they said the damage was my fault. I had so many people say they had the same issues. I then finally got a phone call back from fox and they replaced my boots. They said they had a meeting about the quality. That was 3 years ago haha.
@heartless i did sell the new pair i got and went back to the tech10s. I do also really like the sg12s. Ive has a couple pairs of them
Let me guess the soles where chunking apart and the stitching ripped open.
I've always liked Fox, but the drop in quality is unacceptable. Are they even listening to the people that use their products? They're doing just fine in the mountain bike department though. Very popular gear that seems to hold up well.
I have heard the same elsewhere. My 10-year old Klim gear still in great shape. Definitely a quality difference. Same with my 10-year old Alpinestars Tech 7s - can’t kill them. Good on you for calling them out.
Hey Kyle I am 51 yrs old been using fox gear all my life.. my favorite gear until about 2-3 yrs ago I just had enough of wasted $ every fox product I have purchased lasted so long. but when it started to be manufactured in China it fell apart so fast.. stitching blows out on gloves after like 2-3 rides.. didn’t even get them wet. Boots failing...pants and shirts failing..I agree materials are not as durable..and most of all quality of workmanship is way off.. it’s all high dollar made in china junk now.. very upsetting for the $ spent.. but then again most made in China crap fails very quickly no matter what the product .. it’s sad !!!
Grew up watching Bubba in Fox so I was a fan. Lately been leaning away from them also. Bought a pair of Fox Comp R boots. $250 and the bottom buckle won’t even lock. This video was much needed. Wish I could afford that replica LE James Stewart zebra striped gear yrs ago. Now that was worth the money.
Thanks for looking out for us man! This sport is already expensive, even worse if your gear keeps tearing up...
Interesting. I had FOX back in the late 80's and early 90's, the quality was outstanding and lasted forever. Fast forward to 2006-2008 and I bought FOX gear again, but the quality went in the toilet. It was 100% garbage and didn't last. I gave up on FOX and haven't gone back. The gear fell apart on me. Gloves would last a ride or two and be blown out. I bought a FOX MTB jersey around the same time and it was HORRIBLE. The material they used was super hot, sticky and didn't breath. For a company I once loved, I'll never go back.
Thank you, Kyle. Crisp, clear and informative. This should benefit tons of riders and maybe even Fox.
Thanks for the knowledge. My kids just starting to race competition. He likes all the wild color schemes of Fox. I was getting ready to blow my wad on multiple outfits. Then this video roles thru and blows my bleeping mind. Thank you sir. Well played brothaaaaa.
100% agree. Back in the day when I couldn't afford Fox I wish I had some of their quality gear. Now, later down the road, when I can afford it - I am not impressed what-so-ever. Not supporting Fox anymore!
I have had brand new FOX gear start to fall apart after 2 weeks and the distributor in New Zealand refuses to warranty these pants. I have had another set of Thor pants that I have been using for 20 years and just yesterday had a massive enduro with them. They are still holding up fine. The FOX products nowadays is the same quality as the counterfeit products on Aliexpress but they charge top dollar.
Love it that you called them out. I refuse to buy Fox anything because the last pant and jersey I got fell apart in 3 months. Agree that their old stuff was great
bought (expensive) fox legion pants and jacket...right away notice reflective material coming off after one wash and dont get me started on abrasion resistance. What can you do when a company decides to produce in China to maximize their profit at our expenses... Went back to KLIM quality products. Also note KLIM warranty is the best by far in the industry.
I've got myself a pair of fox Comp boots. Maybe 120h of mixed trail use, about 8 months. It looks worse now than a pair of alpinestar Tech 3's I've had for over 3 years, it feel slike it's gonna fall completely apart anytime now. Keep up the nice work, cheers from Brazil.
Totally agree. I was an all Fox gear guy for years, since I was a kid. About 3 years ago I noticed the same thing, now I only wear Klim. I haven’t been able to wear the Klim gear out yet! I just buy new to get the new colors 😜
Kyle don't hesitate to put these sorts of videos out there...we need more real content like this. TH-cam already has enough bs videos. My klim stuff has been bulletproof.
I agree totally, if the product is junk it merits a poor review. These company's need feedback when their products fail to meet our expectations. They don't even get the opportunity to fix the faults. Kyle has built an excellent platform for raising awareness for stuff like this and has shown integrity and fairness.
Kyle has done his best to take the high road on reviews, but Fox has really pulled him and the rest of us down lately.
@@beauhawk1146 I appreciate that he doesn't take cheap shots, I do like to hear honest reviews even when they aren't positive. I think Kyle has done daily well at that, he possibly leans a bit towards not offering opinion when a product is less than great. That's my personal view at the end of the day he needs to do what makes sense to him.
I’ve wrecked my body in O’Neal gear and the gear is always better off then I am. I don’t know how I can bleed and bruise but my gear looks brand new
O’Neal is always legit when it comes to wear and tear
Same here. I just bought a Fox Comp 5 enduro boots a couple months ago. And one of the buckle straps was ripped off from the boots in one of my trail rides. And I wasn’t even doing hardcore enduro. Unacceptable quality for this price range. Shame on you, Fox!
Completely agree. I've always been a fox guy, but the past few things I've purchased from them, have been poor quality. Bought a pair of fox dirt paws gloves, and both gloves split from the seems in two rides.
I’ve had 5 pairs of dirt paws all split in the fingertips after a couple rides. Boots that the stitches were coming out of. Total junk.
Fly's Kinetic series and pretty much all Troy Lee stuff has been serving me well for a while. I took a hard digger is my TLD GP Air mesh pants and there wasn't so much as a single thread that was damaged.
Completely agree with you, Kyle! Same problems. Bought new gear from fox and they simply busted out, pants. Also I have a pair of pants from back 2014 and they are bullet proof. Don’t quite understand how they make them anymore.Bought a new pair of fox instinct and they have the same problems. The buckles, the sole etc. hopefully they resolve these issues and start making quality stuff all around.
I agree also. I purchased a pair of Fox OTB pants two years ago and have rode six or eight times with them. First or second ride I ripped a hole in the rear-end but it probably was not the pants fault. I had it professionally fixed but not the crotch soon ripped on the inside, the small tooth zipper on the leg is now broken and there are many many little holes in that flexible material like you shown.
I've experienced the same thing. I have a pair of Fox shorts that look just like the older blue & white pants in your video. I've had them for at least 12 years and wore the hell out of them DH mountain biking for at least 9 years. Lots of abuse, crashes and runs through the washing machine, and they still look pretty good. I bought a pair of Fox 180 dirt bike pants last year and they're starting to fall apart after 8 easy/mellow rides and 3 washes. The newer jerseys all look heavily worn as well. Now that I've seen your video, I know it's not just me. I'll just avoid Fox gear until they start making better quality stuff.
Another dissatisfied fox customer, for many years the gear they try to pass off is JUNK, even my fox boots. I broke a buckle, and couldn't get a replacement on a brand new pair of boots.I refuse to wear ANYTHING that says fox on it..I have a pair of 25 year old Alpinestar boots.NEVER had an issue.
Thanks for the honesty
Dude - the Alpinestars Tech 7 Enduros changed my game. They just rolled out a new waterproof enduro as well. I highly recommend you check them out. Great value also and they are comfortable as all get out with a roomy toebox unlike the ones you’ve been riding.
About time someone called Fox out on this. I never owned Fox years ago so can't say, but I did buy a few items back in 2018. Pants and boots. Bought them online thinking that Fox had a stellar reputation. Pants look so cheap and now are worn out in the seat and I need to replace after just a few seasons. Boots felt cheap and did not seem to provide much protection. Sold them a few months back and got some good Alpinestars tech 10s. No more Fox garbage for me .....ever again! Thanks for doing this video Kyle.
Well done, this is the first honest review on gear I have ever seen.
Bro, agree 100%. I bought a fresh set of Fox gear last year and I've worn through them after 20 uses. Not good. A few months ago I converted my entire kit to Klim (jersey, pant, gloves). So far my Klim gear shows zero wear, so I'm very happy with that. I run a 6D helmet, so I'm not changing that to Klim. It's sad that Fox has slid this far. Here is hoping that they get the message and go back to making great gear as a priority.
I'm 54 years old and riding again. Back in teh day I would buy Fox 180 and 360 gear. It was AWESOME, durable, good looking, etc. I bought a full set of Fox gear last year and rode three times. The pants are OK but the jersey is trashed. No big wrecks or anything, it just fell apart, snagged, stretched, etc.
100% agree. Been riding for 20 years now. Stopped buying fox anything the last 8 years. All they are is good looks and advertising. Love the channel man
I actually have a unique perspective on this. I purchased my first bike in 10 years this summer, aka i haven't bought pants in about 12-14 years because pants used to always last. Jerseys i always had 5 or 6 in the trunk to stay dry between rides and they would get torn up decently quick. When i went to purchase new gear i was absolutely shocked with modern pants. I thought maybe it was just 1 brand so i tried on about a dozen pairs of pants across many brands (fly, msr, fox, thor, axo) and ALL OF THEM were nothing like pants we used to buy. i tried on one pair from a brand i won't specify and i just said nope! these aren't safe. i can't imagine them having any burn protection if the bike pins my leg. So thin if i took a slide a few feet back down a hill at low speed i think i'd skin my knee through them. And i'm not going to say one brand was worth than the other, they were almost all pitiful. I respect the effort they've put into gear now being thinner and lighter than scratchy shredded heavy cotton blankets like my hand me down gear was when i was kid, but wow. The closeout MSR pants were the heaviest things i could find in the store, so i got them, and thank god they were cheap, because i don't see them lasting more than half a season of riding. If maybe a company were paying attention to the market and made quality protective pants you can't see through again and reasonably priced them, they could make a killing in the weekend warrior market just saying.
I have a pair of 2001-ish Fox 360 pants, wore them probably for 10 plus years, still wearable (just dont fit anymore). 2012 Fox 360 "Covert" full gearset featuring the helmet, jersey, pants, and gloves. I wore the gloves out completely after about 5 years or so, the rest of the gear is still in very good condition and the helmet still feels remarkably fresh for its age (the liner and padding isnt all sacked out). Some light color fading/running on the jersey, nothing major. Excellent looking gear. 2014 Fox 180 Anthem gear, been wearing that for about 5 years too, good, tough gear. You can notice a difference in the "feel" of the pants compared to the 360 gear but it still holds up just as well. However, I've had one pair of Fox boots....ehhh not so great. They were kind of on the lower end, they weren't very comfortable and they fell apart pretty quick. The Alpinestars Tech 7s I upgraded to are light years ahead of them just in about every aspect. No issues with durability, quality, or comfort with the Alpinestars. I also got a newer set of Fox gloves (2018), the fit and feel are nice, but they are coming apart much more rapidly then the Dirtpaws and 360 gloves Ive had in the past.
True story. I bought Fox Seca set 3 years ago. It lasted for one ride and it was top of the line set!!
I Agree with you 100 %. I still have an 80s pair of answer pants that unfortunately I’m too fat to fit into but have no rips no tears are in perfect condition very well used. Sad to see some Companies going downhill quality wise I still charging top dollar for the product!!
Thank you for your honesty. The consumer should appreciate your honest feedback. I just bought a pair of Fox 180 boots which I have not used yet due to waiting for a left hip replacement. They are the first pair of boots I have bought as I had purchased my first motocross bike (new 2018 Yamaha WR 250F in August 2019). Hope i'm happy with them. Enjoy your channel. All the best, take care Kyle 🏁
Totaly agree with you, buy a fox red pant 3 month ago, the red color get away with the saddle friction
Totally agree with you, my Shot riding gear (low tier price) that I got for many years is less worn out than my few months old top tier FOX gears (180 & 360)...
Regarding boots, Gaerne has a really good price for value and seams to be one of the last brand not moving to China for production (even if it doesn't mean much, quality control can be as good there as it is in USA / Italy etc).
I agree totally!!! Fox instinct boot fell apart on the sole after 6 months, weekend rides (24 rides!!!!!!) when i tried to ask what to do for a resole, nada...... Fox kit 180... crap falls apart straight away, too thin, leather inner knees wear through after no time at all! Honestly, you cannot say anymore that FOX is a high quality brand.....
Thank your for doing genuine review and not being a sell out! Very valuable content!
Informative vid Kyle.. It had to be said.. What model of Klim pants are those?
When I was a kid riding in the 80's, MX Fox made good gear, but now it's all Chinesium junk!
Just had this conversation with my brother right before you posted this up. Way to speak up and put it out there! Hopefully it helps someone not make the same mistake as us. Now lets see you get some FXR podium offroad gear! 2021 stuff just dropped and looks really good but don't want to make the same mistake i did with the fox legion.
I have the same legion pants you showed. Mine look the same as yours and the zippers in the pockets quit working. My previous pants were an older version of fox legion. Just as wrecked. My fox gloves wear through the palms and between fingers. My fox goggles have the foam coming unglued from the frame. My fox boots have been nothing but problems. Even though I get discounts on fox gear, I haven’t been buying it. It just doesn’t last. I have a fox V3 helmet and fox gear bag. Both of which I do like. Also their casual clothing is nice.
The palms of my Fox gloves wear out after 2 rides. I cut the cheap velcro off before the first ride. I've got ~15 rides on my Fox ITB pants and they are done. I wind up wearing my old gear (TLD, MSR). It looks a bit raggety but no holes, velcro still sticks, and buttons still button
Don't even get me started on my Fox boots...
Spot on! My old man still uses his Fox gear he got back in 2003 with his brand new bike. It's only got 1 rip where some stitching come undone.
I got some new crap last year and on the second ride ripped stitching out in the pants. But haven't had any problems with my instinct boots yet. Just waiting for them to fail also.
20 years ago when my dad bought his xr 650r he got a bundle that came with it that had fox racing x Honda gear and he still uses the pants shirt and gloves 20 years later and my 2 year old pants already have a foot sized hole in them
With 10year+ old gear in my closet from fly racing and One Industries I know that the older gear was heavy, but much more durable!! I rode in my one industries gear for years and the gear held up without ripping or issues. Compared to new Motocross gear from (Alpinestar, Fly, and Shift) that have all ripped!!
Newer gear is way thinner and much more lightweight, but that weight loss and increased air flow also comes with a loss of durability.
No Doubt - it's these young A-holes in the company with their profit before passion mentality
I agree. I have the instinct boots which have held up okay but had similar issues. I bought the 2020 v3 helmet this year and couldn't get a duplicate visor after a crash on a helmet less than a year old. Im going to start using Alpinestars from now on.
I’m glad you made this Vid mate , I was just starting to look at the pants , glad you made my mind up for me 👍 .
I have gloves, bomber gloves like $50 to $60 and the finger tips are poking out and both straps ripped off and the middle of my index and middle finger has a large hole in it.
i have fox pants got them in 2018 still wear them to this day i’ve had like 3 massi crash’s in them got fox boots and i’ve rode them for like 3
months now probably still are perfect
I have found the same thing. I have two old pairs of Fox 360 pants and they are bomber. One old pair of Fox 180 and they are great. I go looking for new pants and then new Fox looks like they'll rip after one ride. I was confused why it was and thinking if I wore my knee braces that the new pants wouldn't hold up for one mx session never mind an off road ride. I am so glad I'm seeing a video that says what I've been thinking. Come on Fox, make a 'new' line that is like the old one.
Yup you are totally right brother! My boots suck! No protection, no loc-tite on the buckle screws... wasted My money. I don't wanna sell them so nobody else tears up their ankles. Thanks for the video, I thought it was just Me👍🤙
The local shop we go to didn't even want to sell me fox boots, they didn't want to deal with return.
Yep, started with buying 2 sets of fox gear, jerseys and pants ripped almost immediately, boots lasted less than a year. Not what they used to be
I quit buying fox gear about 2 years ago. To me fox is more of a fashion trend, like you see people in public wearing fox apparel and they don't even know it's about dirt biking. I've converted to Fly Racing gear, but I really like the Alpine Stars Tech lineup of boots. I've had the Tech 7's and I now have the Tech 3's. And I know they aren't boots that'll last 5 years, but they are very comfortable, and have really good feeling for the shifter and brake levers. And when riding single track enduro for a full day boots that are comfortable, supportive, and very protective is the most important for me anyway.
I just purchased my first helmet a couple weeks ago, a Fox V3 Idol orange/blue medium and it fits weird. I am super worried that I made the wrong decision on such an important piece of gear now. I'm glad you had the heart to make this video.
How did it go?
@@Ryan-xv3kc still rocking it. So good I got another model year newer. Both V3, the newer V3 RS is a lot lighter.
I agree too.. I bought a pair of fox boots from RMATV also. When i tried them on , the right boot was smaller than the left. I have never had that kinda of problem with any shoe or boot of any kind before... I sent them back and bought alpinestars. I will never buy fox again.
Great video Kyle! You are not wrong. I stopped buying Fox gear now about 2 years ago and i use to be that rider that wore everything Fox. Sad to see their quality drop.
I've never liked Fox gear but I started riding 5 years ago. My brother recently picked up a new pair of Fox Instinct boots and they had the exact same issue that yours had with the buckle screw pulling/stripping out. Glad someone is calling attention to Fox's big time quality decline.
100 % agree with you . You pay good money for them and the quality doesn’t match the price tag . Thanks
I agree 100 percent !!!! Fox used to be really nice stuff and its all gone down hill. I feel its on par with house brand stuff of many distributors. Im about to get bent over getting fresh gear going from Fox to Klim and Gaerne but I need good gear and cant deal with the numb toes fox boots give me .
Man I feel you I've been a Fox fanboy since I was a teenager 15 years ago doing DH Mtb, I started Enduro riding this year and got a kit and a pair of Instinct boots. I broke the first strap within the first 3 ride and broke a second one few month later, neither of the straps were damaged where they cracked, from such and expensive pair of boots I wasn't impressed. As for the kit the fit is good and I haven't had too many issues with it, I appreciate the very stretchy and breathable materials used and know this comes to the price of longevity but again I have put roughly 40h in my 180deg pant and it still looks fresh. Now the gloves are another story, many blown stitches, the palms got worned out fairly quickly too and that's 2 pairs I bought with the kit that have seen use in Bmx and Mtb too but not that many hours, meanwhile I still have my very first pair from the early 2000's that are in mint shape aside from the faded colors. Big let down but this is typical when familly owned business get bought by finance corporate suits. Set the quality to garbage, make maximum profit, once the image of the company is destroyed dur to the products not being what they used to be but still sold at a premium then get rid of your shares and move on to the next company to suck dry ...
I’ve always seen Fox Racing stuff as a status symbol (I got a lot of Money to buy a fancy outfit). I know a few guys that drop $2k on new gear set every year they only use the stuff for one season. have to have the latest fashion or just show off. Which is whatever makes no difference to me it’s not my money unless you’re the poor and jealous type. The stuff is certainly lighter weight than it used to be and does not seem to have the same longevity. With their current marketing strategy it looks like “premium” they are trying to target higher-end more disposable income people and are not so worried about making long lasting products. I can’t really blame them for there casual clothing either because basically they slap their logo on any product and it sells. Saw some comments about posers. You can wear whatever you want. wearing something doesn’t make you a poser, lying about what you actually do makes you a poser. If wearing something with a company logo on it makes you a poser then everyone that has ever worn a sports team, car company or gun manufacture piece of clothing is by definition a poser. But I would definitely agree Kyle. I recently got a pair of fox racing pants from a yard sale brand new with the tags mint condition from 1999. Only payed $20. Comparing them to modern ones the build quality I would say is more than double.
I would justike to say that your are hitting the nail on the head right here... My dad hor me Thor kit 3yeaes ago not a single hole on the pants my shirt has one yess but It hooked to a thorn bush... I thought I was smart and bought me a pair of fox 360 kit on sale I mabye used it 3 times and it has holes as big as my chest... My point being is that fox really downgraded and I think it's great kit for motocross because you Cann feel the material it's alot thinner than my thor kits so yeah....
That is really too bad. They have some really cool designs and colors. Was ready to spring on the exact pant you were calling out in this video, but not anymore. You saved me. Back to Klim I go.
Thanks . the last I bought gear Fox was great. I would definitely have considered it had you not made this video. Dirt bike riding strains our family budgets. Buying junk gear is like stealing from our families
Thank you for your honesty❤️👍
Very good to know. Thank you.
So many companies have been focused on cutting costs lately.. of course, these cost savings are never passed on to the consumer. From my experience, it is due to employees from the engineer's to the executives, justifying their bonus and large salaries (look how much money I saved the company this quarter). Meanwhile , no one actually looks at the long term impact and realizes it actually costs the company much more, due to loss of customer base. It takes time, but it always happens.
I have used my fox Gloves for about 2 weeks and there almost broken
Same with my 100%
Same here! And that's with no crashes
It's happening with most manufacturers. All about the numbers and management making their bonuses.
Got back into riding a year ago and had Fox gear from 1994 lol Bought klim gear and have ridden in crazy country here in Colorado it’s held up awesome!! Fox wants to sell stuff to people who buy stuff at the mall
I would say that hopefully after a few public figures within our sport such as yourself and Barry have questioned their quality that they would get their shit together and smarten up, but we all know that will never happen. I've bought Fox in the past based on price given our local supplier blows old gear out for cheap every year, not doing that anymore as it would have been far cheaper to pay full price for good boots and good pants than to replace it with cheap Fox garbage over the past few years. I plan to support the companies that support our sport rather than waste money on companies that obviously only care about profit.
Thanks Kyle! Was just about to pull the trigger on some Fox. I like Klim for sure.
Great to see honest commentary. Well done to you Sir.
Love this. Your honest opinion is why we subscribe. Like it or not. Yes , Kyle has said many things in other vids I disagree with.. and I respect his opinion. I still subscribe and still want his opinion on a lot of stuff. I personally have thought Fox stuff was junk for a while now. Nice to hear him give them a basic ass ripping 🤣
Dang, I just ordered Fox Legion LT pants because I'm really happy with my Fox Legion Packable rain jacket. Hopefully the pants don't fall apart.
Brand new Fox Bomber gloves fell apart very first ride. Stitching between the palm and thumb tore.
Fox backpack from 2005, been to hell and back. Still holding up.
yep, my gloves did the same thing! Junk!
I'm also having problems with their gear. Instinct boots lost a cuff screw within a few rides. Sole split in a minor tip over. Pants buckle broke the first time putting them on. Friend also lost a boot strap on his instincts just riding, didn't even crash. They have definitely gone down hill.
Same here bought fox boots over three years and each one fell apart less then a year junk ...bought Alpinestars and never look back very happy
When weighting your options between Fox gear and a burlap sack. 1 there's a clear advantage over Fox when it comes to price. 2 the styling of burlap is timeless. 3 burlap is extremely breathable. 4 people will think you're a barbarian when wearing a burlap sack.
I have had the same issue with my fox gear!! The pants and jersey lasted about 5-6 rides and it’s completely thrashed! On my Fox boots the buckles have ripped all the way off, not able to fix! It has turned into high priced throw away gear!