1960 Chevy Vs Plymouth Dealer Film - Suddenly it's 1957? GM trolls!
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- Chevy was SALTY over 1957... VERY SALTY! Trolls Plymouth hard in this one... The Golden Commando is "nothing special"... etc etc
The slant 6 is dangerous! - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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The reason for the slant 6 mopar engine is because of its longer stroke so its slanted for hood clearance. A slant6 you could beat the hell out of and would run forever.
I'd know the sound of that valve train anywhere! I'll take an early 70s Dart with the Six and 3 on the tree.
The "Leaning Tower of Power" Slant Six was hard to beat!
NO no it was dangerous... the car was off balance
@@autochronicles8667 I inherited my great grandmothers 66 dodge dart when I was 20. You couldn't kill that thing, I tried!
@@autochronicles8667 Straight six cylinder engines are inherently perfectly balanced--the best setup of any (except maybe V12s). I'm sure the engine's slant had no noticeable effect on weight balance--depends on what axis (vertical position) it was rotated!! Pontiac Tempest had a slant four in 1962--half a 389 V8.
@@autochronicles8667 Are you crazy ? you are wrong on this one /////////
@@kipbrown1549Pretty sure he's joking there, Sport..
Turboglide was such an awful transmission, amazed it lasted as long as it did.
Rotohydramatic was the absolute worst GM transmission of the early 1960s..
I sold Chevrolets through the 70's and mid 80's. There is no telling how much money GM spent on propoganda for the sales departments in all divisions. The sad thing is the vehicles got steadily worse in all american cars from 73 on when the companies were run by accountants instead of engineers. I remember a sales meeting in the early 70's where the sales manager was laughing about people he knew that bought a "Toyota instead of a Vega. Even he was brainwashed.
By 1960 the tail fin styling of both brands had faded significantly in popularity. Both would be gone the following year. On the other hand Plymouth was clearly more advanced technically . The Torqueflite automatic transmission was the best on the market for decades . The new slant six had a super high durability and dependability record over that same time period. Roadability of the torsion bar suspension was the best you could get in domestic cars. Eventually all cars would be built with unibody.
YES //////////////
There were complaints about the '59-'60 batwing fins that the horizontal extensions hanging over the car's flanks causing lift on the rear end.
Plymouth's fins were somewhat more prone to crosswinds, but they were more visible to the driver spotting the corners when backing up.
The '61 Chevy had a clever "ridge" that horizontally branched out from the center (kind of like the '59) but wrapped around the sides, finishing-out (so to speak) the '58-'60 look, while at the same time, ushering-in the clean, tasteful look of the '60s that would follow through 1964.
Mr. & Mrs. Parker might sneak over to the local Plymouth dealer & get a Belvidere after this.
I doubt it. The Chevy was much better looking, and probably much better-built. Those Mopar twins probably rusted out before they were 5 years old.
@@MisterMikeTexas 60 mopars were fully dipped so they didn't rust out like the 57/58s... but the rust myth lasted for the next 20 years and the 60 Plymouth was a new minor sheet metal but the same underlying tech. The 59 Chevy was rushed... the 60 Chevys probably still had bugs. I will have to research a bit.
I’d get a Rambler Classic. The weather eye provided the best heating ventilation systems of all.
@@MisterMikeTexasMopar or no car!
The longer the piston stroke the higher the engine Tq. rating.
Poor Mrs. Parker can't manage to push a button with her left hand. I wonder how she will be able to operate the Chevy's lights and wipers, which are on the left? Of course she couldn't drive a Ford at all, the ignition switch was on the left.
we are all push buttons now... Chrysler was just 70 years too early... no more knobs and levers...
Mrs Parker is up the creek without a paddle ///////////
I remember a neighbor's teenage daughter reaching through the steering wheel with her right hand to turn the key on her mom's '60 Falcon.
Always fun and enjoyable to watch these. It was cool it was in color too.
I have always contended the 1957-58 Plymouth looked best of that generation...and by 1960, the Plymouth design was so gunked-up I have often said "Suddenly it's 1957!" I wasn't aware Chevy was doing the same thing! 😂
yeah Chevy trolling :)
58 was the last decent look Ply. until 1967 with the Barracuda, then the 69 Road Runner which I had. The 68' Road Runner rear tail lights and front grill looked weak. 70 Road Runner looked good too.
My uncle had a brand new 57 Chevy, then got a Brand New 60' Chevy.
@@matroxQuite a change with the much bigger glass area and brake contact area.
I 'd still buy the Plymouth or the Dart.
60 Chev is a nice ride. I think i like the 61 better though.
To each their own.
@@MisterMikeTexas 60 fury is an amazing vehicle :) dont get me wrong
@@MisterMikeTexas actually I like the Ford the best of the 1960 big 3 cars... amazing one year Ford/Edsel...
@@autochronicles8667 and Meteor 🇨🇦
The famous turboglide was famous all right, for not working right.
I got t-boned in a 2011 Hyundai and I was protected by the airbags and the seat belts. I was glad I was not driving an old 1960 car of any kind.
I was an estimator at an automotive collision shop and I used to get old timers who would complain that “they don’t make them like they used to”. I would show them the government crash video of a 1959 Chevrolet hitting a 2009 Malibu. Nuff said!
that was unfair :) they took the WORST frame design in history... the x frame was horrible for that chevy :)
Look up the video of the IIHS head on collision between a '59 BelAir and a 2009 Malibu.
2023 Crosstrek six-speed checking in here.
I'm sold. The cigarette lighter did it!
gotta have the lighters, as many as possible
@@autochronicles8667 Cadillac had 4 lighters, two front and two rear..
"Sonoramic V8" = Ramcharger, a well regarded setup.
"TurboGlide" = Buick's Dynaflow, aka, "diarrhea drive" not well regarded.
Torsion bars are identical to coil springs (both 'twist' under load) but my recollection of Chevy's 'Jet Smooth Ride' was that it was ultra soft and swayed and bounced a lot. Dealers would underinflate the tires to exaggerate the soft ride.
I'm not sure about identical to coil springs... they would be very different the way they rebound and wind up(like spring tension etc).
Torsion bars were way better. Read the old reviews //////////////////
So some traded in their brand new 1960 Plymouth in 1960. That was a gimmick. Chevy probably bought a new Plymouth just to have in their back room to make their customers believe that buyers sold their Plymouth in for a chevy
They do that in Canada, the Dodge is a rebadged Plymouth.
Don't get T-boned in a full size '60 GM car or you die😂
the x frame :)
Out past the cornfields where the woods got heavy
Out in the back seat of my '60 Chevy
"...To the girls young and sweet
And the spacious back seat
Of our roommate's beat-up Chevrolet....
To the beer and Benzedrine
And the way that the dean
Tried so hard to be pals with us all...."
----Tom Lehrer (b. 1928, long life to him!) _The Alma Mater_
Chevy was just jealous. I always thought the 1960 Chevy looked bland comparing to the 59 and before models. That Plymouth is so cool!
The 60 Chevy was a beauty!
Fun to watch, but still say the Plymouth and the Plodge were the better cars quality-wise.
Sadly, the Chryslers that era were all rust buckets.. the 1957s were rushed, and a lot of kinks were not worked out until following model years.
@@MarinCipollina The 57s were bad cars. The nearly identical looking 58s were a considerable improvement, but still not as good as the 51 and older Chrysler products. The 60 was better still. Remember, the Chevy, Cadillac, and maybe the Pontiac had that X member frame with no side rails. I love the looks of the 58 - 60 GM cars, but safety is not their strong point.
Plymouth had a 3 speed auto trans. Much better than the stupid power glide that seriously impacted performance . I’ve owned both. Particularly for 6 cylinder, which didn’t have enough torque to accelerate much after the sudden clunk into high gear. For manual transmission, the Chevrolet was better because you could get overdrive which Plymouth no longer offered. The slant six was a much better engine than the antiquated splash lube stovebolt six, overall. The Plymouth 318 was a better engine than the Chevrolet small block also.
Plymouth and Dart still offered the PowerFlite two-speed as well.
I thought the Stovebolt Six went to full-pressure lubrication by the early 50s.
The early 60s Mopar styling was hideous. I was a kid when all these cars were in the dealers, even then I was a car nut and focused more on Chevy and Ford products. In 1960 our family car was a 1955 Rocket 88 Oldsmobile 2door hardtop. A 50s classic.
some people love them :)
"Suddenly it's 1960"
"Look Look, Looks to the Forward look"..!
Plymouth is better - unit construction, better engine and auto transmission, better A-pillar knee clearance, styling is better, torsion bars.
Back up lights weren't always standard on the Bel Air.
The Chevy's in Canada, were also called Pontiac Stratochief, (Biscayne), Laurentian, (Bel Air), and the Parisienne, (Impala) and weren't U.S Pontiacs.
Thanks for posting: automotive history like this is just great.
Glad you enjoyed it...
The volume is great! Thank you very much!😊
Great to hear!
Without a doubt, the 1960 Chevrolet was a better looking car than that Plymouth by far. There were just some years during the '60s where Mopar just didn't get it right on styling and 1960 was one of them. Of course that is just my opinion. Other people may have a different one and that's fine.
60 Plymouth is a little more out there... but still interesting. The 60 Imperial is nice...
And the '60 Ford was the prettiest
@@1983jblack I actually preferred the Ford's styling throughout the 50's, 60's far better than what GM was turning out then.
My father was in Ford Management and his best friend of that time in GM management. To hear those two talking about Chrysler! LOL
This was in the early 1970's. They both knew Ford and GM put out a lot of very poorly engineered and built vehicles. By the end of the 1970's my father had totally lost faith in Ford Products. He was happy to take the early retirement option as soon as it popped up.
With Chrysler they were complaining they put race cars on the street. How dependable and tough they were etc. You really were hard pressed back then to beat a slant six or 318 for dependability. The Chrysler Big Blocks did really well in Nascar and at the drag strip.
Being in management gave my father the opportunity to buy cars only sold to management or other special people. We had our Ford performance cars. Dang it if there wasn't always a Mopar around that would beat them like a red headed stepchild.
Growing up in the car family I did set me up to eventually become a Mopar person.
Chryslers engineering was nothing to sneeze at... the market share thing though... and they were banned from Nascar pretty much with their Hemi... The industry was certainly interesting at that time. The fight for market share was intense.
Nascar, Ford and GM sure did seem to hate Chryslers win on Sunday sell on Monday efforts! @@autochronicles8667
ID tell the salesmen, thanks for you time, I WILL BUY FORD!!!!
4:40 ish .... haha, luttle did they know! Plymouth "slant 6" engines would be used for 2+ decades, gaining a reputation ss nearly bulletproof.
Power Glide automatic 2 gears starts out like a dog ',top end makes you wish you had another gear...
5 qts of oil mean less wear.
or more wear? :)
Plymouth: Torque-flite transmission. Slant six. Are they any good?
They were superb.
Joe way way better than GM ///////////////////////
The chrysler starter always laughs at you when it dosnt start.
what? :)
Couple things.....
'Salty' is a FLAVOR, NOT A MOOD......
Chevy was understandably frustrated after getting left in the dust in 1957.......the Chrysler lineup blew away the entire Generic Motors family for '57.....and they're still crying. The '57 Chevy looked old and dated still on the showroom floor. Plymouth had already left Chevy in the rearview for good by 1960. Styling belonged to Chrysler: debate over.
SonoRamic was a brilliant engineering solution that propelled a '61 Dodge to 60mph in well under 7 seconds.
That left EVERYONE in the dust, and particularly humiliated chevy, who had no answer for all the the D-500 Dodges they couldn't catch.
The slant-6 was likewise an intelligent engineering solution to lowering hoods for better styling.
But don't worry: for those seeking to be overwhelmed with blandness, Chevy could answer the bell with a nicely boring L-6. and antiquated hood dagmars....suddenly chevy was crying for 1952....
Other than quirky brake setup and extra care needed for corrosion protection, chevy was left hopelessly in the past thanks to Chrysler's Forward Look.
Best of all, as a Ford guy, it was especially nice to see Chrysler's efforts shove chevy out of first-place sales for 1957....opening that honor for Ford's superior lineup.
57 Mopars did scare GM a lot... but the one year jump in the FW cars did hurt the rollout... rushed it tremendously
@@autochronicles8667 Yes, they rushed and did pay a price on some fit & finish issues.
Since Chevrolet and Plymouth were still clinging onto 1950’s styling in 1960, my vote goes to the all new 1960 Ford Galaxie 500. Far far ahead of Plymouth and of course Chevrolet, Ford was definitely a good buy that year since they did away with the dog-leg windshield post and was about one of the widest cars of that year.
Plymouth got rid of the dogleg in 1955. Studebaker styling was more advanced by 1953.
Ford was actually TOO wide, wider than allowed by law for a passenger car in most states (no Federal regs yet). Everyone agreed to look the other way for 1960 as long as Ford made the '61 a bit narrower, which was why it was such a total reskin.
@@nlpnt - Today's car width standard is 80". I had a '59 Olds 98 that was 80.8" wide. I had to have the guards stop traffic coming the other way (via traffic light) on the Washington Crossing bridge between NJ and PA!
This was nearly 4 years before I came into the picture (I'm the youngest), but my parents' first new car (and first Ford) was a red, very base-model, 1960 Ford 4-door sedan. From what my Dad recollected, it was a 6-cylinder, 3 on the tree, manual choke stripper that didn't even originally have a heater! He got one complimentary courtesy of a mechanic friend in the service department who had been a G.I., like Dad was at the time. Dad said he also prettied the car up a bit with white sidewalls and full wheel covers. My parents were previously not brand-loyal, having owned mostly GM second-hand mid-price makes, a used 48 Packard, and then-most recently a 54 DeSoto. But the Ford impressed Dad a lot, and by the time I came around, we were a Ford family, with a new 64 Country Sedan, 352-powered.
To tell you the truth,I wouldnt mind having either one of these.I like them both.
I disliked the Chevy when I was a toddler and the years haven't improved it.
I remember a neighbor having to regrade his driveway because the preposterous overhang behind the batwing Chevy was dragging when they turned in and started up the hill. My parents had just bought a new Studebaker Lark and had no such problems.
@@5610winston you sound like your real barrel of laughs!!!🤔🤨🧐🙄 Not!😝🤪🤭
Whenever I see a 60 or 61 Plymouth I can't help but bust out laughing
it needs the front bumper bar, but a 60 Fury Plymouth is pretty amazing :)
@@autochronicles8667 Yes ///////
Yeah, we've owned three 1961 Plymouths that each clocked over 250k miles, so I too laugh at all the chevies who cost triple to not even last half as long.
Very amusing indeed!
Love this stuff.
lots more to come and prepping some info videos :)
The 1960 Plymouth was BUT UGLY!!!!!!!!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder :) Many call it extreme :)
In 57 and 58 Chrysler corp had some great designs by Virgil Exner. The 1960 model year was the last for Harley Earl before retirement IIRC. GM owned the title in body design from the late 30's to the late 50's. Chrysler crushed it in 55-59 and faded fast by 61. FoMoCo started to come on in 60 and had a strong showing in the 60's, but the GM studio led by Bill Mitchel was a powerhouse from 61-75.
Mechanical design was another story as all of the Big Three had there own hits and misses.
Yeah I really love the history that went on the 50s and 60s US auto industry... Crazy times and interesting. The auto makers were huge drivers in the economy... Like the Amazons of yesterday...
You are kidding right?? Chevy styling 55-57 is the Epitome of 50s classics. Even the 58' looks better than the 58
Plymouth. Others agree as Chevy outsold Plymouth every year by a lot.
@@matrox I'm a GM guy through and through, but I would take a 58 Fury over a 58 Impala, which is a car I love.A 578Caddy is out of this world though.
GM and Ford beat Chrysler.
Full frame strong chassis, four corner coil springs ford stable comfort and longer suspension travel in real world potholes longer lasting/drpendable, sensible styling" better resale value
the x frame was horrible... :) and GM would move to the unibody... now everything is unibody so it works. GM and Ford did certainly win with market share though.
302 NO ///////
60 chevy for me.. 60 & 61 were butt fugly plymouths
I prefer the GM 1961 models.. Much classier looking, and Chrysler just went weird for 1961 and 1962.. They never recovered from those.
Yeah they would recover :) the Charger is not exactly dog food :)
@@autochronicles8667 Not in terms of total sales.. During 1950s, Plymouth was frequently 3rd highest selling brand.. They made some interesting cars after that, but sales NEVER recovered.
The 60 Chevy was one of their ugliest designs. The Plymouth was no prize either.
Those are fighting words :)
Is you talking about yourself & your other half?🤔🧐🤨🙄😝🤪🤭
The Dart looked better than either of them, but the flat-iron taillight Rambler or the Studebaker Lark would be my choice. Come to think of it, the '60 Edsel looked better than either. And I'd take the '60 DeSoto over the Chevy.
@@5610winstonThey all look better than the butt ugly shit that people drive today!!!!.
a lot of people think the 60, 61
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, and 62 plymouths, and the 61 and 62 dodges were weird looking, but they were my favorites.
Id have both please 🙏 😊