@@alexgein3893we don't know that. Bungie said we'd be able to upgrade an "Adept Lightfall raid weapon", and there's no other indication that they plan on implementing weapon enhancement to other adept weapons. Also logically, Bungie's reasoning for introducing adept weapon enhancing at all is to make adept weapons worth chasing over just using a crafted version; trials loot isn't craftable.
@@alexgein3893 and yet it is still inferior to imperial decree, not only because it has better stats than the base astral horizon but because it can craft it and its top perks are boosted.
my take on this gun is that its almost purely a preference thing, its so close to imperial in the stats department that the only real difference is whether you like the sight on astral or the lack of one on imperial
Pretty much came to the same conclusion after I went flawless, decree def better but the difference is so small that Its comes down to preference. I will say sight like that on astral is nice af
You hit the nail right on the head in the intro. If you're just going to use something like surplus/threat detector + opening shot then Imperial Decree is better. If you're on an arc subclass, then an argument can be made for an elemental capacitor roll of Astral Horizon.
I'll use Astral simply for the fact that it looks nicer and massive copium of telling myself I didn't waste my time grinding trials for the second best kinetic aggressive shotty.
Even though the Gun’s performance is a big part of deciding either/or, availability and accessibility are important too. Despite being similar, people are gonna veer towards Imperial simply because it’s easier to get and play around with rolls rather than waiting for Trials days and winning matches (Something that the D2 community makes abundantly clear as a factor for loot), more-so for getting an Adept version for Astral.
Quick access only increases swap speed not ads So adept handling is what you want on a shotgun if you aim or have a low handling shotty But if you don’t aim qas is better or a non adept weapon as they obv don’t have adept mods
Sudden Death shotgun from prophecy can roll slideshot/elemental capacitor and is aggressive frame. Sounds beautiful too, but no one uses it (except me) 🤣
I farmed it for months and never got the range barrel, accurized, Ranged MW, slideshot ele cap roll I wanted. Never even got slideshot+ele cap. RNG like that is probably a large factor for why you don’t see it used as much.
Something about astral just feel nicer imo. I’ve fully crafted the imperial decree and I have a good (not god) roll astral. It still feels nicer to me. No clue why. Might be the way the weapon looks or something
It has an alacrity. If you play rumble it is a TOP tier perk. Also you don’t need lots of range on aggressives especially with opening shot. I will take that extra 7 handling tho. 😅
Farming Decree is better loot wise overall as well because Defiant Battlegrounds just drown in you engrams… get the Decree and use the shards you amass to focus farm an Exalted to pair with it
there is another shotty that can get slideshot and ecap, the hand in hand in the energy slot but its kinda ass tbh. Ive tried it and its just another shotty. Another fire vid, keep it up.
I wouldn't play this shotty to map people, I'd just use it on arc classes because Imperial Decree does the range thing better imo. My picks for the first perk would be slideshot (if playing with elemental capacitor) or shot swap which is a seriously underrated perk for 6s. Killing wind if I really feel channeling my monkey ancestry
I'm so in love with the God roll matador that bungie FINALLY let me have last week that I can't see myself using another shotgun rn. I finally get a meta shotgun godroll while it's still the meta. I've been playing for a year and a half and this is the first true godroll I've got of a spread shotgun other than the wastelander because I crafted it. But I'm not a fan of lightweights. Agressives were the meta for so long and I could never get a God roll found verdict and felwinters was past its prime at that point. I'll probably craft an imperial decree to see how a God roll agressive actually feels but my matador feels so good with threat detector and opening shot. 😊
6:57 panduh I literally spit my drink out LMAOOOO, she turned around like a child caught stealing cookies out a cookie jar. Btw why are you getting bagged on a random account it’s so random lmao, makes my eyes open to what regular ppl have to go thru everyday just playing the game
Adept handling vs QAS (quick access sling) QAS is better in all scenarios except for ADS because it doesnt give you any ADS benefits. So that's pretty much the only justification for adept handling on a shotty
i got cork and shroud/accurized/surplus/opening shot range MW my first drop normal not adapt but im happy with it i just pulled it out and tried it,it kinda wrecks on stasis warlock,i might go craft an imperial decree now, yes because i pulled it out i thought i go see what the best roll was and i got a 4/5 roll, surplus is nice when you got everything up , noticeable, ty for info
I wasn't interested in astral because I have 2 imperials, but I happened to get an adept one to drop that has both Threat Detector and elecap. the handling stats are absolutely insane. less than .2 seconds with a dex mod or exotic
I love my ECAP adept astral I got the other day. Being able to swap and play reactively or defensively feels so good. I got another one with max range but it’s so sluggish.
i got extremly lucky.. i went flawless- got a shit roll...played 7 win car for a couple hours.. got Surplus/open shot/accurized/barrel shroud/handling mw..- also got surplus/open/accurized/smallbore/ handling ..Jeez trials was SWEATY this weekend. Lord.
intro is definitely true no disagreeing but, i feel like astral is more consistent, i used both with the same perks and range to just do a best and i def think astral is more consistent the imperial just by a couple feet
i agree just cuz of the scope, but you truly need a 5/5 to compete, i got lucky enough to get a 5/5 but honestly its not that big of a difference than fully crafted imperial
is god roll astral worth using over the god roll fractecyst shotgun or however its spelt? For comparison my astral has barrel shroud or full choke- accurized- threat detector-opening shot- range mw with adept range mod. Meanwhile my fractecyst has rifled barrel or full choke- light mag- quickdraw- opening shot- range mw. Just mainly wondering which archetype is worth using over the other seeing how they are both god rolls imo.
I got a smoothbore/barrel shroud, accurized/slideshot/elemental with handling MW so mine is at 100. You're welcome to use it for a video if you'd like.
I'll never know whats better because all I get are damn swords from the engrams and I'm not good enough to consistently go flawless. I've only gone flawless 4 or 5 times since it has come back 😂
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agreed on the intro, Enhanced Opening Shot counters Adept mods because Imperial already has better base stats
But u can enhance astral opening shoot soon so its much closer + adept mods, u shouldnt forget this fact
@@alexgein3893we don't know that. Bungie said we'd be able to upgrade an "Adept Lightfall raid weapon", and there's no other indication that they plan on implementing weapon enhancement to other adept weapons. Also logically, Bungie's reasoning for introducing adept weapon enhancing at all is to make adept weapons worth chasing over just using a crafted version; trials loot isn't craftable.
@@alexgein3893 and yet it is still inferior to imperial decree, not only because it has better stats than the base astral horizon but because it can craft it and its top perks are boosted.
Astral is better cuz it looks better.
@@yeru9932 nah it doesn’t imperial decree ornament is better than astral even has a better sight
That was one satisfying ending lmao
Love to see karma in full effect with what happened to Bestminet 🗿🗿🗿
For those wondering, minet means blowjob
Btw Sudden death is an aggressive frame with slideshot and elemental cap, you can get it from prophecy
That shit sucks ass tho I ain’t gon lie bruh
my take on this gun is that its almost purely a preference thing, its so close to imperial in the stats department that the only real difference is whether you like the sight on astral or the lack of one on imperial
Pretty much came to the same conclusion after I went flawless, decree def better but the difference is so small that Its comes down to preference. I will say sight like that on astral is nice af
Never seen a more satisfying end to a game of rumble on Midtown 💀
You hit the nail right on the head in the intro. If you're just going to use something like surplus/threat detector + opening shot then Imperial Decree is better. If you're on an arc subclass, then an argument can be made for an elemental capacitor roll of Astral Horizon.
That's the energy I like to see Panduh!!!
I'll use Astral simply for the fact that it looks nicer and massive copium of telling myself I didn't waste my time grinding trials for the second best kinetic aggressive shotty.
I've got a roll with elemental capacitor, threat detector and range masterwork. It feels so crispy on arc titan.
This review reassures me since I have not been able to play because of the errors on the servers. Thanks.
Adept Handling on Astral Horizon gives you the same ready/stow speed as quick access sling, but it gives you a .01s faster ADS speed.
2:11 if they added that sound effect to the game when u kill a shield bash titan, that would be hilarious
That bag on the final kill was pure poetry
15 mins after this video the population playing trials doubled their calling it the panduh effect. 👌❤
That crash sound wheb you shot him in his shoulder charge had me dieing brodie keep making those spicy sound effects
You should clip all the “you done fucked up” moments that’d be funny to see. I always get bagged by bottom fraggers 😂
Adept quick access sounds so fire
Even though the Gun’s performance is a big part of deciding either/or, availability and accessibility are important too.
Despite being similar, people are gonna veer towards Imperial simply because it’s easier to get and play around with rolls rather than waiting for Trials days and winning matches (Something that the D2 community makes abundantly clear as a factor for loot), more-so for getting an Adept version for Astral.
Quick access only increases swap speed not ads
So adept handling is what you want on a shotgun if you aim or have a low handling shotty
But if you don’t aim qas is better or a non adept weapon as they obv don’t have adept mods
Sudden Death shotgun from prophecy can roll slideshot/elemental capacitor and is aggressive frame. Sounds beautiful too, but no one uses it (except me) 🤣
I farmed it for months and never got the range barrel, accurized, Ranged MW, slideshot ele cap roll I wanted. Never even got slideshot+ele cap. RNG like that is probably a large factor for why you don’t see it used as much.
The revenge on that bagging kid was top tier 😂
I really appreciate you getting right to the point ❤
Something about astral just feel nicer imo. I’ve fully crafted the imperial decree and I have a good (not god) roll astral. It still feels nicer to me. No clue why. Might be the way the weapon looks or something
Do you have the ornament for imperial? I feel it helps
@@mcflu I do not unfortunately, I was a mega noob back in the season it was released
The bagging at the end was the funniest shit
That Bestminet kid was talking shit in trials while teamed up with a hacker. Glad to see karma at play.
It has an alacrity. If you play rumble it is a TOP tier perk. Also you don’t need lots of range on aggressives especially with opening shot. I will take that extra 7 handling tho. 😅
love that bag at the end lol
Farming Decree is better loot wise overall as well because Defiant Battlegrounds just drown in you engrams… get the Decree and use the shards you amass to focus farm an Exalted to pair with it
smoothbore, accurized rounds, slideshot, range mw, and elemental capacitor is the roll I got
I've always loved the look of astral and I'm not even a shotgun main. Still gonna farm a God roll just because
It does look nice
@Panduh plus, who doesn't love the trials glow lol.
I ended up with smallbore, accurized, threat detector, opening shot, range mw. Guess I'm done farming lol
btw A Sudden Death the shotty from prophecy also has Slide elemental for anyone building with arc
best and most honest review I've seen
I remember at the start of the year, you set the goal of 100k by Christmas. well deserved mate keep it up!
Thanks for sticking around and supporting the channel ❤️
Astral is my favorite kinetic shotgun hands down. I have 6800 plus kills on mine
BANGER DAY 6. I was at work so I couldn’t comment when the video dropped
The exotic raid shotgun is actually nuts, i use that shit consistently in trials
there is another shotty that can get slideshot and ecap, the hand in hand in the energy slot but its kinda ass tbh. Ive tried it and its just another shotty. Another fire vid, keep it up.
why cant adepts trials loot be able to upgrade with enhanced perks
Almost there, good work sir you deserve it!
thanks for the kind words 😊
I wouldn't play this shotty to map people, I'd just use it on arc classes because Imperial Decree does the range thing better imo.
My picks for the first perk would be slideshot (if playing with elemental capacitor) or shot swap which is a seriously underrated perk for 6s.
Killing wind if I really feel channeling my monkey ancestry
Straight to the point, I appreciate it bro 💯
“Bro he said go for the gun. I’m not gonna stop u.”
I watch on twitch and u stopping people all day. Lol.
Good Intro. You respect my time and why I clicked on the video. Liked and subscribed
Thank you
I'm so in love with the God roll matador that bungie FINALLY let me have last week that I can't see myself using another shotgun rn. I finally get a meta shotgun godroll while it's still the meta. I've been playing for a year and a half and this is the first true godroll I've got of a spread shotgun other than the wastelander because I crafted it. But I'm not a fan of lightweights. Agressives were the meta for so long and I could never get a God roll found verdict and felwinters was past its prime at that point. I'll probably craft an imperial decree to see how a God roll agressive actually feels but my matador feels so good with threat detector and opening shot. 😊
Still waiting for my god roll Matador 😒
@@PanduhGG I finally got the god roll with barrel shroud for handling and enough range to hit the 7m max. You gotta play GoA bro it's so worth it.
I just wish imperial decrees model wasn't ass
I know it’s a good day when Panduh uploads
😏
That hunter got what he was asking for haha
Lowkey been enjoying the uploads by Panduh recently. Keep up the grind
Appreciate it❤️
6:57 panduh I literally spit my drink out LMAOOOO, she turned around like a child caught stealing cookies out a cookie jar. Btw why are you getting bagged on a random account it’s so random lmao, makes my eyes open to what regular ppl have to go thru everyday just playing the game
Panduh man congrats on almost 100k you’ve come so far keep the grind going brotha
Thanks for supporting the channel and for the kind words. We will hit it soon 😊
Adept handling vs QAS (quick access sling) QAS is better in all scenarios except for ADS because it doesnt give you any ADS benefits. So that's pretty much the only justification for adept handling on a shotty
Astral has the best sights for a pellet shotgun imo. Most aggro shotties have unusable sights.
i got cork and shroud/accurized/surplus/opening shot range MW my first drop normal not adapt but im happy with it i just pulled it out and tried it,it kinda wrecks on stasis warlock,i might go craft an imperial decree now, yes because i pulled it out i thought i go see what the best roll was and i got a 4/5 roll, surplus is nice when you got everything up , noticeable, ty for info
I got 2 and they both have opening shot. Imma use it just bc it says Adept and I like to flex 😂
Someone got carried to the lighthouse
@@imstuckstepbro1934 nah, I earned my way in solo queue. You might need carried but I don’t.
@@Justin-lr8ip solo que is easier wtf you talking about 😂😂😂
@@Justin-lr8ip yeah you’re brand new to this aren’t you
I wasn't interested in astral because I have 2 imperials, but I happened to get an adept one to drop that has both Threat Detector and elecap. the handling stats are absolutely insane. less than .2 seconds with a dex mod or exotic
I got barrel shroud, assault mag, slideshot, opening shot and a range masterwork
That ending bro 😂😂😂😂😂
I love my ECAP adept astral I got the other day. Being able to swap and play reactively or defensively feels so good. I got another one with max range but it’s so sluggish.
i got extremly lucky.. i went flawless- got a shit roll...played 7 win car for a couple hours.. got Surplus/open shot/accurized/barrel shroud/handling mw..- also got surplus/open/accurized/smallbore/ handling ..Jeez trials was SWEATY this weekend. Lord.
Threat detector elemental is actually quicker than quickdraw.. could be tasty
adept icarus used to give ae and 5 range, now it's handling
So if elemental is the benefit could you do a comparison to Ragnhild???
intro is definitely true no disagreeing but, i feel like astral is more consistent, i used both with the same perks and range to just do a best and i def think astral is more consistent the imperial just by a couple feet
i agree just cuz of the scope, but you truly need a 5/5 to compete, i got lucky enough to get a 5/5 but honestly its not that big of a difference than fully crafted imperial
Are you now always uplaoading in 144Hz? It definetly looked better in that video
is god roll astral worth using over the god roll fractecyst shotgun or however its spelt? For comparison my astral has barrel shroud or full choke- accurized- threat detector-opening shot- range mw with adept range mod. Meanwhile my fractecyst has rifled barrel or full choke- light mag- quickdraw- opening shot- range mw. Just mainly wondering which archetype is worth using over the other seeing how they are both god rolls imo.
I wouldn't prefer Astral over it, no.
The disrespect is crazy. I love it.
i unlocked the imperial decree crafting recipe but every time i think about crafting it and levelling it up i think about how i didnt buy the ornament
u deserve 100k
thank you❤️
@@PanduhGG lemme actually correct it to 1mil
Don't feel bad about your rng dude if I farm something specific I NEVER get it!
sudden death had slideshow elemental capacitor
I think theres an argument to be made for the ads reticle being better
Ngl felwinter is still the best
Only because my shit actually hits
I got a smoothbore/barrel shroud, accurized/slideshot/elemental with handling MW so mine is at 100. You're welcome to use it for a video if you'd like.
Yessir!!!
Subbed before 100k
Thank you 😊
Is smoothbore worth using now? I was under the impression it's wider spread was still bad
If you have it, it's not a bad barrel to use but there are obviously better.
im still confused, is smoothbore good now? Ive always been told is horrible for shotguns. I have corkscrew and smooth on mine, which do i use?
Corkscrew over Smoothbore
What’s better threat detector or slide shot
It's preference really
Idea for sub Milestone video: i just wanna see you do your usual 2 games but trying your ABSOLUTE hardest!! Loadouts whatever
I'll never know whats better because all I get are damn swords from the engrams and I'm not good enough to consistently go flawless. I've only gone flawless 4 or 5 times since it has come back 😂
Ive got a crafted decree with an adept handling mod lmao
my hero
What is the best cannon for shot gun ?
Depends on which shotgun you are using. If you're using an Astral, Pali is a good handcannon or Exalted Truth
I just wanna go flawless this weekend to get it but if I don't I'll just roll randomly for it but either way I habe the imperial decree
If your an Ophidians warlock slideshot and opening shot could def make astral better
Hi panduh, adept handling does the same as quick access if not its slightly better, I think wallah tested it if u want to check lol
Those darn rumble kids lmao
Sudden Death Rolls the Slideshot Ecap roll its the Prophecy dungeons shotgun
Kid is a fan.
Didn’t they say your gonna be able to enhance adept weapons soon
We just going to ignore that masterwork blue armor? Alright then.
I use an adept astral horizon with ecap with my arc titan. Imperial decree for any other subclass.
They should have gave us an energy shotty. These guns are so similar I don't see a point grinding for it.
Kinda hard to get one when you constantly get kicked from destiny servers🤷♂️
They always dish it out but can’t take it
with the amount of godrolls bree has i’m convinced they work at bungie.
Titan mains always get lucky 😉
Guess what? I got a full choke, accurized rounds( however you spell it) and opening shot, as an adept. We on top baby 🍷🗿
What's better? Imperial Decree or Astral Horizon? The correct answer is Matador, or Fractethyst you you are picky.
But what if you add whats the better aggressive frame?
I have threat detected opening shot acurised and barrel shroud with range master work