@@Seriona1 After the firestorm crisis, Cortez dismissed CABAL, calling it a "second rate EVA with a goatee and Napoleon complex". So yeah, I guess GDI never knew what CABAL was capable of. cnc.fandom.com/wiki/Paul_Cortez
A savvy player, even one who never played the Nod campaign, would've probably felt suspicious at how emotive - at times even subtly smarmy! - CABAL is being compared to EVA.
@@aviewer8428 I agree that GDI did not understand the true capabilites of CABAL but I think this statement was more a sign of Cortez disrespecting his enemy than truly underestimating him. Cortez said this when he refused to attend the destruction of the last CABAL A.I. Bunker. It was his way of saying: No CABAL for me you were never an enemy that fought me honorably at the battlefield but just a mad machine that went full murder hobo! I will NOT give you the honor of attending your last stand/execution! You thought you are superior to us? Well for me you are nothing! A piece of trash not worth my time!
"Connect to a power supply immediately or your pityful selfies will find their way to your stepmother, fleshbag" ;) "Turn left here or face the consequences of your incompetence" *After Taco Bell on the toilet* - "Missile launch detected" *Coming home drunk at 4am* - "stealth is key..."
@@feelx92ger *Ding dong* Outside - "Hello there, do you have a moment to talk about god?" You - "Cabal, defense status report!" Cabal - "They all will die"
7:46 I know this came out before Renegade, but knowing what I do about the CABAL prototype from the final mission of Renegade, I get why Dr. Budreau was “geeking out internally”
@@raddox7 I haven't beaten Renegade but I know it takes place during the original C&C game before Tiberian Sun. Op must mean that back then it could be assumed from the final mission that CABAL was going to be an incredibly advanced AI, like the Dr. realizes in that moment.
have a love/hate relationship with the Firestorm story. On one hand, I loved the characters from the previous campaign, and the loss of Umagon and the Kodiac was a bitter loss. On the other hand, I found Cortez to be a worthy successor, and the idea of GDI needing both CABAL and Nod at various points was an interesting twist. The missions were also more dynamic and interesting.
The people on GDSS Philadelphia had no idea what's going on, they were totally cut off. The increased ion particle activity messed with communications. That is why Southern Cross assumed command.
Anyone else got screwed the first time they deactivated the defenses around Cabals core and he activated that OP giant robot who is on a collision course with your base?
Awww yeaaaah dem Core defender just took out all bases I've captured before (whole map was red and even that wasn't enough ha) and even on second try it took out my lovely tick tank/artillery wall. XD After that I was overly prepared when I was playing as GDI and threw 40 disruptors on it...no joke it was that many...
I got lucky because I built a massive fleet of artillery right before that happened. It was the perfect defense because the massive volley of artillery would blow the ground up as it fell on cabal's giant robot's position, causing it to move much slower along the terrain. It was slowed down enough for the fleet to destroy it just before it breached the outer perimeter of my base
With my Nod playthrough, my stealth generator saved my ass from the thing killing my stuff, and somehow had the foresight to have banshees that did well against the machine. Took fucking long enough though. The GDI one I don't remember how I fought that thing.
I circumvent that by building disruptors. They could destroy Cabals core without disabling the firestorm defenses completing the mission without capturing the control nodes. When you play as Nod there is an abandoned GDI base that you could capture, allowing you to build disruptors eventually. Later at a replay I managed to destroy the core defender by sending massive waves of either Orca bombers (as GDI) or Banshees (when playing as Nod) at it.
because they have bad guys syndrome. And they haven't really lost every single war. Every war fought, with the exception of the first tib war, accomplished a hidden objective. second tib war led to nod having the tacitus and the knowledge to control tiberium. third tib war led to the scrin coming to earth. personally, i don't count the fourth tib war as cannon, because it sucks so much and westwood didn't make it.
third war is practically a NOD victory. Control the tower (check), regained the Tacitus (check), depleted GDI (check), and fully evolved Legion. (check)
5:18 Allow the assassination of Tratos? Didn't see Boudreau do anything to stop that event. Soldiers do the fighting, scientists should stick to thinking.
Well, the soldiers failed at their job. That's why Tratos was assassinated. Which made the job for both soldiers and scientists harder without someone to translate the Tacitus or lead the Forgotten allied with GDI.
The security details failed at their jobs. I don't see how this has to do with the scientists, unless there was a person in charge of both the science team and the military. Yes, GDI was stretched, but as a military, you are given a task and you must do it. Excuses don't matter.
As we see at 2:40, the Kodiak crashes. But it's not clear if he's still commanding the ship. I think that in C&C4 (or maybe it was only in the novel), he's still around, probably teaching or some boring thing like that.
You find out that he survives by looking at an intelligence report that appears in the Kane's Wrath campaign. According to it, McNeil (Macneil? MacNeil? meh, whatever) retired but not before founding of the Steel Talons faction and, if my memory is correct, was a staunch supporter of the Mammoth Mk II and had a huge fit when the program was cancelled. Those 'intelligence data' report are actually really nice reads because they rap up a lot of the story lines from the previous Westwood games. However, where McNeil was at the specific moment the Kodiak crashed is not known.
spasjt According to spin off novel, McNeil was commander of 22th infantry division from the Orca Command unit, he participated missions in San Diego, Portugal and Australia, under General Granger.
thebel89 Yeah I've never read the novels. Just like I haven't read the Halo novels. But I really want to read them both! But I was referring to what the game said since that is all I know about it.
spasjt That's where you're wrong, that's Havoc the character you play as in Renegade. He's a great supporter of the Steel Talons, the guy in command of that unit is not McNeil. Though it's the same actor who play Jake McNeil in Tib Sun.
If CABAL used as AI for AI arts, it can avoid stealing pre-existing pics from datasheets and can draw things from scratch due to use of computronium(in CABAL's case, Human brains wired together) for his CPU
Yes, but who has won Tiberium Sun (Firestorm) ? When you start with Tiberium Wars you don't know who won the previous C & C so with what end do you start ? If NOD won, then it would be more likely our atmosphere will become fully toxic to us but what if GDI won. It isn't easy to start a sequel if the prequel has multiple endings.
Careful lore nerds will try to use the hand wavy explanations of CNC3 where half of the fun interesting units in TS got thrown away (Sonic tanks for instance). Honestly I like CNC3 but I feel like it fell way outside of Westwood's vision.
@k10a06p2000 In Tiberian Sun, GDI campaign is fully canon while Nod campaign is partially canon (the first 4 missions are the only canon). In Firestorm, both GDI and Nod campaigns are canon
Because Kane willed it. He relies on a few talented commanders to win the most crucial battles to his plan, and then sacrifices the dullards and the egomaniacs to complete the next phase.
21boxhead every faction is CNC has + and - as GDI + is they are taking prisoners,they're protecting civilians and so their - is bureaucracy and corrupted politics NOD + is their attempts to give power to people and stop corrupted world leaders their - is fanatism about tiberium and KANE, war crimes on civilians etc
I think its either the way the cine was made, the dialogs or getting used to it by playing the games multiple times. Also did Westwood first created the cines 'till Tiberium Wars and EA from there on ?
Das Institut The videos in Firestorm weren't that great, true, but you have to understand that it was just an expansion pack. The fact that it had these was a miracle in itself. When people praise the cinematics, they usually refer to the Tiberian Sun ones, which have much higher budget and production values. They also show more than a couple of people talking to each other. Intro for GDI - you get space station scene with the voice of Darth Vader, you get some field action with McNeil, desert shots, etc. You also get a lot of CGI scenes with the actual in game units, something that's almost completely absent from the later games. Nod intro - cool shot of a dead soldier, an awesome TV show broadcasting live execution, Oxanna storms in with the soldiers and kills some guys, Slavik shoots the traitor with no hesitation, etc. Not to mention that TS had actual player characters, McNeil and Slavik, who both had personalities and even arcs, even if they were rudimentary (McNeil learning to love something other than winning, Slavik getting the Brotherhood back together and getting his revenge on McNeil), while in the newest games there's nobody to root for. You're just a camera people talk to, and none of the characters are interesting to observe, they literally do nothing but talk.
u kidding? tiberium wars' kanes mask isnt even holding on his head properly, wildly swinging back and forth, and the set generally looks super cheap, nod soldiers wearing baggie pants and adidas shoes wth. at least in tiberian sun, the set props they use dont look THAT cheap
"We're under heavy sniper fire."
Takes off helmet.
I love Cabal's slip in TS during that Nod briefing. "The captured commander may have information vital to my..... Your movement".
I also noticed that when playing
I love the way CABAL puts on a play and speaks matter-of-factly like EVA does in order to fool GDI. Goes to show how intelligent he really is
i never noticed that until now, holy shit
It makes me wonder if GDI did not know Nod had smart AI.
@@Seriona1 After the firestorm crisis, Cortez dismissed CABAL, calling it a "second rate EVA with a goatee and Napoleon complex".
So yeah, I guess GDI never knew what CABAL was capable of.
cnc.fandom.com/wiki/Paul_Cortez
A savvy player, even one who never played the Nod campaign, would've probably felt suspicious at how emotive - at times even subtly smarmy! - CABAL is being compared to EVA.
@@aviewer8428
I agree that GDI did not understand the true capabilites of CABAL but I think this statement was more a sign of Cortez disrespecting his enemy than truly underestimating him. Cortez said this when he refused to attend the destruction of the last CABAL A.I. Bunker. It was his way of saying: No CABAL for me you were never an enemy that fought me honorably at the battlefield but just a mad machine that went full murder hobo! I will NOT give you the honor of attending your last stand/execution! You thought you are superior to us? Well for me you are nothing! A piece of trash not worth my time!
I want CABAL as my SIri
Jiaxin Kou he will destroy your phone with a painis
That would be so awesome and creepy at the same time.
"Connect to a power supply immediately or your pityful selfies will find their way to your stepmother, fleshbag" ;)
"Turn left here or face the consequences of your incompetence"
*After Taco Bell on the toilet* - "Missile launch detected"
*Coming home drunk at 4am* - "stealth is key..."
@@feelx92ger
*Ding dong*
Outside - "Hello there, do you have a moment to talk about god?"
You - "Cabal, defense status report!"
Cabal - "They all will die"
@@BioClone "cabal intruder alert."
"listen to the sounds of your own extinction."
The culling is at hand human, the culling. Behold my children, listen to the screams, listen... that is the sound of your own extinction.
+CABAL And still they managed to defeat you
Strange, in C&C 3 he comes back from the NOD archive
@@alexanderverwilghen8565 That's because he made a back-up within the ending.
Man, CABAL was really tough for an AI. RIP Tratos...
AAAH Westwood knew how to make videos.
14:12 hahah the chick in the back was so happy when data started pouring in. Almost like she found a cheat sheet to an exam lol
yeah the marriage thing was so corny. lol
7:46 I know this came out before Renegade, but knowing what I do about the CABAL prototype from the final mission of Renegade, I get why Dr. Budreau was “geeking out internally”
Explain please?
@@raddox7 I haven't beaten Renegade but I know it takes place during the original C&C game before Tiberian Sun. Op must mean that back then it could be assumed from the final mission that CABAL was going to be an incredibly advanced AI, like the Dr. realizes in that moment.
Frank Zagarino looks so sweaty and so tired in the last cut scene. I hope he was okay.
have a love/hate relationship with the Firestorm story. On one hand, I loved the characters from the previous campaign, and the loss of Umagon and the Kodiac was a bitter loss. On the other hand, I found Cortez to be a worthy successor, and the idea of GDI needing both CABAL and Nod at various points was an interesting twist. The missions were also more dynamic and interesting.
I miss this Game. Played the shit out of it as a kid.
Dude same here! 🤘🏻
14:46 you can see his soul leave his body right there.
heavy sniper fire, during ion storm? why not take of enclosed helmet to make communication easier?
The people on GDSS Philadelphia had no idea what's going on, they were totally cut off. The increased ion particle activity messed with communications. That is why Southern Cross assumed command.
You got that line from the nod story.
I think the line is said in first GDI campaign video too
That video and audio fuckup in the end is so ominous ;)
EVA: All global satellites...DOWN. Contact with the Philadelphia...DOWN.
Cortez: *Bruh*
YA LETS FLY IN A FUCKING ION STORM! THATS A GOOD FUCKING IDEA!
+nineballmk2 And why not crash land in the local Nod base while we are at it? xD
It's been awhile since I've seen this, and seeing it again I've got to say that this is actually pretty cool!
1:24
Oh look, an M41a Pulse Rifle from Aliens ^^
Its a nice little easter egg, since Micheal Bien who played Hicks was in the main game
Anyone else got screwed the first time they deactivated the defenses around Cabals core and he activated that OP giant robot who is on a collision course with your base?
Awww yeaaaah dem Core defender just took out all bases I've captured before (whole map was red and even that wasn't enough ha) and even on second try it took out my lovely tick tank/artillery wall. XD
After that I was overly prepared when I was playing as GDI and threw 40 disruptors on it...no joke it was that many...
I got lucky because I built a massive fleet of artillery right before that happened. It was the perfect defense because the massive volley of artillery would blow the ground up as it fell on cabal's giant robot's position, causing it to move much slower along the terrain. It was slowed down enough for the fleet to destroy it just before it breached the outer perimeter of my base
With my Nod playthrough, my stealth generator saved my ass from the thing killing my stuff, and somehow had the foresight to have banshees that did well against the machine. Took fucking long enough though. The GDI one I don't remember how I fought that thing.
Played as gdi I snatch the fist of nod, then started to churned out mobile stealth generator. Save the power.
I circumvent that by building disruptors. They could destroy Cabals core without disabling the firestorm defenses completing the mission without capturing the control nodes. When you play as Nod there is an abandoned GDI base that you could capture, allowing you to build disruptors eventually. Later at a replay I managed to destroy the core defender by sending massive waves of either Orca bombers (as GDI) or Banshees (when playing as Nod) at it.
1:23 M41A pulse rifle from ALIENS
Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed
Well, Michael Biehn WAS in the main game
Nice observation, I never noticed that! 🤘🏻
because they have bad guys syndrome. And they haven't really lost every single war. Every war fought, with the exception of the first tib war, accomplished a hidden objective. second tib war led to nod having the tacitus and the knowledge to control tiberium. third tib war led to the scrin coming to earth. personally, i don't count the fourth tib war as cannon, because it sucks so much and westwood didn't make it.
GDI had the tacitus after TW2, though.
third war is practically a NOD victory. Control the tower (check), regained the Tacitus (check), depleted GDI (check), and fully evolved Legion. (check)
And then EA caballed the series to a bloody mess
@@davidlewis5312
At the bargain price of just 98% of their armed forces and civilian holdings.
Great quality. Its great to have all the videos in one place!
Cabal is a Skynet.
Meathead615 or the Borg.
he is Skynet after he took control of the Borg collective.
Funny thing is that in Terminator: Dark Fate, LEGION replaced SkyNet. LEGION is also the player character in Kane's Wrath. Both LEGION are A.I.
Back then when games where awesome.
Yup there crap today
The best GDI campaign
5:18 Allow the assassination of Tratos? Didn't see Boudreau do anything to stop that event. Soldiers do the fighting, scientists should stick to thinking.
Well, the soldiers failed at their job. That's why Tratos was assassinated. Which made the job for both soldiers and scientists harder without someone to translate the Tacitus or lead the Forgotten allied with GDI.
The security details failed at their jobs. I don't see how this has to do with the scientists, unless there was a person in charge of both the science team and the military.
Yes, GDI was stretched, but as a military, you are given a task and you must do it. Excuses don't matter.
00:26 may the force be with you.
Lmao
"Dew It!"
The story line is so much better then in C&C 3 or 4. I did not like EA change Tiberian. It could been so much more.
C&C3 (including Kane's Wrath) is great but we can agreed that C&C4 sucks
C&C3 is great but I don't consider it canon. For personal reasons.
@@player2-lightwater914 CNC4 don't exist in my head but the feel of CNC3 felt like it would have been more at home if it was set between CNC1 and CCN2
I agree! The canon ends with the end of Firestorm in my mind. I really wish the Westwood team made the sequels.
spoken like a true ignorant. C&C 3's story was much better with clearly a hundredfold higher budget spent on acting.
cabal the first reaper!
1:24 Pulse rifle from Aliens...
Well yeah yeah its an easter egg.
The guy that played Mcneil in the main game was the same actor that played Cpl Hicks in the alien 2 movie
GDI commanders always felt like a bunch of snake oil merchants
they're mostly promoted via committee. General Granger was the only real military type
Millions of teraquads of data!
0:25 Holy sh** a jedi @_@
Lol
So what happen to Macneil during the Firestorm Crisis?
As we see at 2:40, the Kodiak crashes. But it's not clear if he's still commanding the ship. I think that in C&C4 (or maybe it was only in the novel), he's still around, probably teaching or some boring thing like that.
You find out that he survives by looking at an intelligence report that appears in the Kane's Wrath campaign. According to it, McNeil (Macneil? MacNeil? meh, whatever) retired but not before founding of the Steel Talons faction and, if my memory is correct, was a staunch supporter of the Mammoth Mk II and had a huge fit when the program was cancelled.
Those 'intelligence data' report are actually really nice reads because they rap up a lot of the story lines from the previous Westwood games. However, where McNeil was at the specific moment the Kodiak crashed is not known.
spasjt According to spin off novel, McNeil was commander of 22th infantry division from the Orca Command unit, he participated missions in San Diego, Portugal and Australia, under General Granger.
thebel89
Yeah I've never read the novels. Just like I haven't read the Halo novels. But I really want to read them both! But I was referring to what the game said since that is all I know about it.
spasjt That's where you're wrong, that's Havoc the character you play as in Renegade. He's a great supporter of the Steel Talons, the guy in command of that unit is not McNeil. Though it's the same actor who play Jake McNeil in Tib Sun.
Is it true that the actor who played the ranking GDI officer in these videos was married to the woman who played the doctor in real life???????
no. it's just their characters the actors portrayed
weapons's alien colonial marines
GDI infantry Close battle with cable cyborg, game logic: can hold cyborg until Doctor escape, real logic? all human terminated in cabal lair. huhuhuhu
If CABAL used as AI for AI arts, it can avoid stealing pre-existing pics from datasheets and can draw things from scratch due to use of computronium(in CABAL's case, Human brains wired together) for his CPU
wtf is wrong with the video at 15:10-15:19
I presume an encoding error.
0:20 - Just a random question: WHY THE FUCK would you ever SAY your security-code out loud?
To be continue in Kane's Wrath Act 1
does they forget to programm an AI in the last mission?
I would do terrible things to Dr bodreaux
I would CABAL her Core
I'll take the assistent. I bet she's into all kind of tiberium-mutated tentacle stuff.
8:26 - 10:08
My ex: tertiary connections are still hot
Hmm well... that was interesting
Anyone else notice how CABAL looks like and sounds like freaza from dragon ball z?
not even close
No. No, he doesn't.
Freeza sounds like a woman trying to sound like a metrosexual. CABAL sounds like like the scary black man who ate Isaac Hayes. Pretty huge difference.
14:47 lmao
When you get along again with your ex but she destroys you
In a year our atmosphere will become 100% toxic,yet in tiberium wars......
for some reason the gdi interfirence with the tiberium wasn showed and we can blame only EA
Yes, but who has won Tiberium Sun (Firestorm) ? When you start with Tiberium Wars you don't know who won the previous C & C so with what end do you start ? If NOD won, then it would be more likely our atmosphere will become fully toxic to us but what if GDI won. It isn't easy to start a sequel if the prequel has multiple endings.
It's explained in the game they use the limited info they gained to roll back the Tiberian but in cnc4 it comes back.
They got what they wanted from the Tacitus to prevent that from happening soo....
Careful lore nerds will try to use the hand wavy explanations of CNC3 where half of the fun interesting units in TS got thrown away (Sonic tanks for instance). Honestly I like CNC3 but I feel like it fell way outside of Westwood's vision.
다행히 맥닐은 코디악에 탑승안해서 목숨은 부지했지만 코디악 승무원들은 결국.....
6:16 - 6:46 ... Clique!
Holy fuck Mcneal dies D:!?!
Nah he survives but sucks to be him tho
He loses his ship, his best friend and his mutant gf goes insane
10:04 that sounds ridiculous
skynet!!!
And yet why does Nod always lose?
cause if bad generals and weak troops slavik is the only guy who should be in the nod alongside kane
Because the writers say so.
Proud Grandson of Korean War Veteran Kane won in the Kane's Wrath campaing which fucked the world for C&C 4, but the C&C 4 was not that good.
@k10a06p2000 In Tiberian Sun, GDI campaign is fully canon while Nod campaign is partially canon (the first 4 missions are the only canon). In Firestorm, both GDI and Nod campaigns are canon
Because Kane willed it. He relies on a few talented commanders to win the most crucial battles to his plan, and then sacrifices the dullards and the egomaniacs to complete the next phase.
Is this same guy who was in Command and Conquer 1?
th-cam.com/video/FqWnqa8e5FE/w-d-xo.html
Ggggghhhh
That's some god awful background sound.
YAWN! it's about Kane
GDI is gay
+21boxhead GDI ain't gays they protecting pals like you to write such shitty comments on youtube
Neroth
NOD is the only campaign I ever played on every C&C game
21boxhead every faction is CNC has + and - as GDI + is they are taking prisoners,they're protecting civilians and so their - is bureaucracy and corrupted politics NOD + is their attempts to give power to people and stop corrupted world leaders their - is fanatism about tiberium and KANE, war crimes on civilians etc
Neroth
it's all about Kane it's all about Kane
21boxhead simply troll you are
I never liked General Bad Acting there. It’s like they picked the cheapest actor they could. Ah well, still a great damn game.
I cannot understand why so many fanboys love these Outdated and ugly Cinematics so much, but bash the Cinematics from Tiberium Wars and Kanes Wrath.
I think its either the way the cine was made, the dialogs or getting used to it by playing the games multiple times. Also did Westwood first created the cines 'till Tiberium Wars and EA from there on ?
Das Institut The videos in Firestorm weren't that great, true, but you have to understand that it was just an expansion pack. The fact that it had these was a miracle in itself.
When people praise the cinematics, they usually refer to the Tiberian Sun ones, which have much higher budget and production values. They also show more than a couple of people talking to each other.
Intro for GDI - you get space station scene with the voice of Darth Vader, you get some field action with McNeil, desert shots, etc. You also get a lot of CGI scenes with the actual in game units, something that's almost completely absent from the later games.
Nod intro - cool shot of a dead soldier, an awesome TV show broadcasting live execution, Oxanna storms in with the soldiers and kills some guys, Slavik shoots the traitor with no hesitation, etc.
Not to mention that TS had actual player characters, McNeil and Slavik, who both had personalities and even arcs, even if they were rudimentary (McNeil learning to love something other than winning, Slavik getting the Brotherhood back together and getting his revenge on McNeil), while in the newest games there's nobody to root for. You're just a camera people talk to, and none of the characters are interesting to observe, they literally do nothing but talk.
u kidding? tiberium wars' kanes mask isnt even holding on his head properly, wildly swinging back and forth, and the set generally looks super cheap, nod soldiers wearing baggie pants and adidas shoes wth.
at least in tiberian sun, the set props they use dont look THAT cheap
In this you get the gritty apocalypse future atmosphere. C&c 3 still feel too.....nice, but the 4th.....just blew it with the tv shot.