I don't want to sound like a Luddite, but I would much rather have more physical buttons, and less screen. I don't even want to know what it will cost to replace that screen in the event that if fails after the warranty period.
I agree. Having a display filled with icons that control everything from the entertainment system to the climate control is a terrible distraction. Proof of this is whenever these commercials show the use of the display/icons, they always do it while the vehicle is STOPPED. They never show use of the display/icons while the vehicle is at highway speeds. If they did, the video would then show them hitting something. (Notice he stops the vehicle at 12:47 to dink with the display!)
@SnowBoarder&Skier I didn't buy one unfortunately for me, and Subaru. I have been a long time Subaru fan and owner, but their priorities have changed. It's fine if you are just leasing, but I enjoyed Subaru because you could drive them until the wheels fell off. Speaking of Volvo, most of their buyers are indeed lease buyers. They are not concerned with the over implementation of screens. I myself love tech. I build, and tinker with computers, and enjoy having a great cellphone in my pocket. These aren't 30 + k investments that I rely on to get myself to work, and back. We should all be painfully aware of the short life cycle of tech like this by now. It just does't add up.
I'm younger, and I love tech, but I'm honestly tired of seeing all these giant screens. Don't get me wrong, I want a big screen, but all I'm going to use it for is Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. I just don't want to have to take my eyes off the road to see where to touch a screen to adjust the air conditioning, and I don't need all the distracting other UI around CarPlay/Android Auto. I'm loving the 10.25 screens in Kia, with physical controls for AC. That's the big screen setup I'm here for
I’m a huge tech guy also, and I’ve come to think less is more. I just got rid of my outback for an Audi, and I use their digital cockpit and keep the main screen turned off. This is where all manufacturers are going though, to one degree or another.
Yeah for the price nothing comes close except maybe Hyundai especially if you’re a fan, as I am, of the big infotainment screen which just fits perfectly unlike some of these pop screens or 8 inch tablets that just seem to be slapped onto the dash in a haphazard fashion.
Outbacks are champs.. I have the 2011 3.6R. I live in Kenya so you can imagine I'm off the beaten track a lot! Minus the small brakes, which I'm saving up for bigger brembos..no other issues, I swear by that car 💪💪
The Subaru Outback is to the Legacy what the AMC Eagle was to the Concord/Hornet.....direct lineage but two totally different animals! Thanks for the review, great job.
Yesterday I demo'ed a 2020 Outlander XT Limited and really enjoyed the driving experience. It's strong and refined. The central control screen is a little over the top (maybe a lot, actually) but I could get used to it because the rest of this package is so good.
Dual xmode is just xmode with Traction control off, so it's basically a shortcut, where as before you would have to activate xmode and then press the Traction control off button...
I got a 2018 Outback premium 2.5 with all the options and I myself personally dont feel like the base 2.5 4cylnder is slow, now granted I haven't felt how it feels like to accelerate when its fully loaded with 5 passengers and their luggage but so far with just me going to work on a mix of city and hwy the power feels just right, in fact it feels plenty fast, sometimes when I turn into a hwy onramp I step on it and by the time I'm ready to merge left with the traffic, I be doing like over 106mph! Sure I wanted the more powerful and faster engine but it's not what i really needed, I needed a spacious midsize AWD offroad utility vehicle that got really good (for the size) fuel economy, the fact that it feels and drives like a regular passenger car is a big bonus considering the incredible 8.7 inches of ground clearance for those offroad situations.
With the introduction of the Ascent last year and the year after year growth in size of the Forester I was wondering if the Outback would be squeezed out by other Subaru vehicles from both above and below. Thankfully, that doesn't seem to be the case, especially for the turbo XT model. I wasn't impressed with the 2.4L turbo in the Ascent. Almost all brands have standard of optional V6 engines in their 3 row crossovers. (The Mazda CX-9 is the exception.) And the same is true of the smaller two row midsize crossovers. Only the Outback and the Santa Fe limit the engine choice to a four cylinder turbo in the "tweener" category between 188" and 192" in length. There's a reason for that. In vehicles with curb weights over two tons and weighing close to 5000 lbs or more when loaded with fuel, passengers, and gear/luggage a small displacement more highly stressed four cylinder turbocharged engine has a lot of weight to propel. Performance may be adequate but smooth power delivery and especially durability remain issues to consider. I remain skeptical about the Ascent (and for that matter the CX-9) compared to its rivals. On the other hand, the Outback XT with the same engine as the Ascent has a curb weight nearly 700 lbs less. Add fuel, passengers, and gear and the difference increases to 900 lbs or more. (Remember the Outback seats five, not 7 or 8.) That's the equivalent of cramming three NFL lineman in the Outback's cargo space! Both performance and durability benefit compared to the Ascent. In fact, early reviews suggest only the Edge ST and some versions of the Jeep Grand Cherokee are quicker to 60 mph. Some will find the fact that the Subaru offers only a CVT in the Outback (and the Ascent) a major drawback. (In the entire midsize crossover class only the Nissan Murano imposes the same restriction.) I'm no fan of CVT's and adding faux gears and paddle shifters strike me as kinda silly. But I have to admit that CVT's from various manufacturers have improved a lot in the last decade or so. Subaru has apparently done a good job with theirs. And given the weight difference between the Outback and the Ascent I'd guess it's more appropriate in the lighter vehicle. All in all, I'm impressed with the new Outback. My wife and I dropped it from our shopping list when we purchased a "tweener" size crossover last year primarily because it was so little changed since we considered it six years before. If we were shopping again in the near future that would no longer be the case.
Great review. I am going to buy one. The only negative you pointed out was the fan controls are small and not always responsive. that is not good given the fan up and down is something I used all the time. Good to know this before I buy it. Darn.
Just got the 2023, some changes, Subaru changed the buttons on the steering wheel. The volume button is no longer that toggle, it's lower down, a bit confusing but not something you can't get used to after a few months. CarPlay and Android auto is now wireless, you don't have to use a cord anymore. There's a charger it slides in horizontal rather than the vertical you see here, and it fits my iPhone 14 Max Pro. The fog lights are now round which is the way they should have been. As for the 2020 and up on the 260HP engine, it rides like a $100,000 car, big difference between that and my 2020 Forester. Also recently had a problem in an area with no cell service and the Tom Tom (standard on the 260HP) pulled through. The hands free on the lift gate though is finicky, you have to hold your hand in front of it for 5 seconds, eventually you give up and just push the button. You can buy an aftermarket CD player for around $250 if you're really into CD's and came from a Forester, one of the things I miss.
Just drove one, first observation on center screen was same thought as yours, the temp controls are one of most often used controls that need to be easily accessed. Love the car in most all other aspects though.
Subarus are amazing off road. Infact so good I drove my stock Subaru forester and outback 2.5i through the Sahara desert many times. It out performs some real 4x4s because it's power to weight ratio is very good. I cannot say I would trust any of subarus competition to go where I take my stock Subaru.
Yep, that was my fear with having the HVAC integrated into the touchscreen. The fan controls and heated seat controls would annoy me to no end, especially while driving. Might have to just go with the base model that will have manual controls for HVAC and a smaller screen.
True...but since the 11.6 screen models will have auto climate controls which has physical button for temp which in turn will automatically lower and increase fan based on how the temp is set, but I understand about not having total physical controls. Also I haven’t seen a pic of base model one which might still have touch HVAC controls on bottom screen.
@@Clam73 Yep. I haven't seen it either, but I'm guessing it will be three rotary dials like in the Forester. I've also seen other video where you can adjust the fan speed settings in the larger 11.6 inch screen, just like you can set the heated seats. I'll need to test drive it and see. Hoping to get a Premium with Nav, the Rockford Fosgate audio upgrade and wireless charging pad.
Agree 100 percent. I would consider other cars simply because of the on-screen HVAC controls. I hate that stuff. Give me knobs for temp and fan. KIA and Hyundai get it!!!
9:00 It is noisy? That's a big shame. The Outback was known for being much quieter than competitors. I wonder if Subaru sadly reduced the sound dampening in order to shave weight.
Everything I’ve seen says heavier acoustic glass & increased body sound insulating to make it quieter! Maybe the turbo engine negates some of the extra sound deadening tech?
I still kinda like the new Subaru Forester more; however, I can see why folks still enjoy and prefer the lower Subaru Outback. I like how comprehensive and focused this review and presenter is. Very good emphasis on passenger space and comfortable without glossing over the important details, and yet it doesn’t feel like he’s artificially extending the watch time in order to stretch ad revenue. My only gripe with this car is the high price when fully spec-ed out. However, I suppose this is an issue inherent in almost all Subaru Dealerships these days. In doing so, it really does make you question the value per dollar and forces consumers to seriously compare and consider cheaper Honda’s, Toyota’s, Hyundai’s, and Kia’s. I personally do not mind Subaru’s CVTs any more, because like Honda they have seemed to prove they can create reliable and efficient CVT transmissions that won’t leave their owners stranded. Nissan’s and select Toyota CVTs have still yet to win back consumer confidence from those that are in the know.
Norm T If you’re referring to this: th-cam.com/video/ZR3eZZcgoZ0/w-d-xo.html most Subaru owners are very well aware. However, even with those Subaru CVT issues, as bad as they are, it doesn’t seem to be as terrible and wide spread as Nissan’s mythical 60K-160k mile time bomb CVT nor the Toyota mass recalls on CVTs
I have a 2010 3.6r. Its an amazing car and i'm sad to see Subaru going away from the 6 cylinder. I'd have to be really convinced in a test drive that the 2.4 Turbo is a better power plant. Also, would the 2.4 Turbo be as reliable as the 3.6r, or will I have to constantly check on my head gasket?
Nick Burnley, good questions. I used to own a used 6-cyl Volvo wagon. It had the same engine block as the Peugeot and the infamous DeLorean. But Volvo soon dropped it, and even the Volvo dealer didn’t want to work on it. One time they changed a water pump, and over the weekend my battery would die. I put an ammeter on it and found out it was drawing an amp. I took it back to the dealer and they tried to tell me it was the clock. Yeah, a 12 watt clock. Nice try, bozos. So getting an engine that they’re discontinuing might end up being more problematic than a newer engine that has been around the block (so to speak) in the Ascent as well as in their race cars. Oh, well. Since they’re going for mileage, the turbo 4 makes more sense. And since the torque curve is relatively flat from 2K rpm that’s not too bad.
For some reason the look of both the outback and the Forester appeal to me. As for the CVT I haven't yet drove a vehicle with a CVT so I can't really speak from personal experience.From what I've seen online it seems like they should be pretty good on a scenic trail.I don't have plans for Rock Crawling but would like to get a little bit off the beaten path.With the fuel economy they talk about maybe a nice Sunday drive or overnight camping trip would be more affordable for some. As for the camera's with face recognition,no thanks. If I was gonna get one I'd get a trim level without that.
I have been waiting for 3 yrs for the redesign of the Outback. I own a 2011 Subaru Outback Limited and really like the handling and comfort. I have seen several reviews of the 2020 and am ready to buy the 2020 Model. The touchcreen is going to be a learning curve and the steering wheel is very busy as well. The 2020 Model is only 3" longer.
Cars I’ve owned: 93 s-10, 98 Camry 4 cil, 2000 crv, 2009 forester and two outbacks including the latest, 2022, which I traded up for. 2.5 182 hp, is plenty fast when you’ve never driven anything else even remotely quick, lol. It’s all perspective.
I purchased a new Outback in 2017. It had RAB and many other electrical problems from the start. I had it in the shop 10 times for repair. towed to the dealer no less than 4 times. Went a total of 42 days without my car. It was a Lemon. Even the district service manager told me to contact Subaru Customer service to get a full refund, as they could not figure out what is wrong with the car. After months of being given the run around, Subaru customer service did not refund my money as they should have. I traded my car in, still under warranty, still not fixed. I lost over $14,000 because Subaru does not stand behind their cars. Toyota is looking better all the time
Awesome review. As others have mentioned, it a shame that there are no physical buttons which are inherently more useful when driving but on the whole, this looks to be another good addition from Subaru.
The Flying Brompton not if you are OCD about maintenance. A guy I worked with had an old Subaru Legacy with the old turbo motor. It was a grey import from Japan. Original turbo and it had 400,000 kms.
You say 'body on frame SUV's' an awful lot considering that the 4runner is really the only one left that isnt a behemoth. I doubt jeep/runner buyers are cross shopping an outback. This to me compares w the small to midsize cuteutes. Edge murano etc and below. And I'd rather have the Sub than any of those. But let's not kid anyone saying this competes w a runner that is way more capable, can tow, and is just a totally different genre. A wagon suv and truck SUV are not competitors.
I bought a loaded Outback years ago and it burned oil like crazy! Dealer acted like they have never heard about the issue even though you could google it and read all about it from so many frustrated consumers! Looking back I would have felt differently about the issue if Subaru had taken responsibility. Love the Outback, but could probably not take that chance again. Traded it for a new Toyota 4Runner which has been awesome!!
Martin R The legal case just got settled in 2016. I think we need to be a few more years down the road before we decide that it's not an issue anymore. But judging from these Subaru owners, it's not very promising: www.cargurus.com/Cars/Discussion-d374_ds769772 And come on, Martin. I like a Subie's off-payment and inclement weather performance, But they're not MONSTERS off road. Wranglers, Defenders, and G-Series Mercedes are monsters. Subarus are adventurous, throw-around, all weather road cars that can get pushed a little beyond. Off road monsters they are not.
So when the center console goes out (like my 2018 did) and stays out for over a month waiting on parts (like my 2018 did) you are hosed? More crap on the console is not an improvement. Fan control ?? Seriously?
Did you try to climb over any obstacles with it? That is the knock on the modern CVT Subaru. I can tell you that I have seen less capability with my 2016 than I did with my 2005. It is still great on the beach and better than any jeep but if you go down into a short mudhole, don't expect it to just climb up the other side if you have a steep embankment. It cuts power, something my 2005 did not do.
He said that this model has the dual X mode, I though that only the onyx had dual mode? The onyx has black wheels and different seat coverings, Can anyone answer this question?
I definitely see the appeal and value...but... the Bronco is going to be in the same price range! I’m not saying it’s for everyone, but it’s gotta be worth a look for a comparison. Even if you’re not hitting the hard trails.
@@PleaseLikeAndShare001 I understand but the screens are sometimes non responsive especially in cold weather. Not a fan of car screens. They seem to not work well and that is more of a distraction to me than my phone.
A $28k vehicle becomes $40k as tested here. That's the game. They lure you in with a base price, then gouge you on a few features they know you'll want. As for the nanny controls that so many people hate, he said "some" of them can be turned off. Why not all of them? Who owns this car, the owner or Subaru?
No. Watch the latest (post embargo) 2020 Subaru Outback video reviews by Alex on Autos and Redline. Both the standard 4 cylinder and the turbo 4 engines are tested by each reviewer. I didn't see anything that looked like turbo lag, like what you see with the 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe Turbo.
David Nixon it will not be available here in EU... We will be left with the NA engine plus likely a new mild hybrid 182+16 HP set up. It will be relatively slow but will hold its value due to the other virtues.
It's beautiful, but I hate the idea of climate control integrated into the touch screen. I'm always fiddling with that on a road trip, and the idea that I cannot memorize the tactile feel and location of the controls, and I might have to fight with a finicky screen, is almost a deal breaker. I might have to snag a high-end 2018 or 19. (I just rented a 2018 with the 2.5 liter engine and it was fine.)
I’m with ya that I prefer a couple of rotary dials and hard buttons for climate control but at least it does have hard switches for temp on both sides and always on fan speed and AC (or auto, it’s customizable) on the dedicated touch screen area. You tend not to fiddle with much more than the temp, fan speed and AC on/off too much once you are settled in so it seems livable. Also have the hard buttons for both front and rear defogger/defrost. Of course if the screen goes kerplunk you are f*cked. @Kevin Wright the base model with the smaller twin screens has the exact same set up, no additional hard climate control buttons and actually a smaller area of the bottom touch screen available for the always on parts of it.
Tpolerex I was hoping the base model was setup differently. Oh well. It’s still lacking hard buttons to change the direction of the airflow from feet to front. So if the system resets every time the car is turned off than people will have to wait for the system to load and respond to their input. That sucks in -30 degree winter when the touch screens will freeze up and the system blows cold air. Yes you can get warm air eventually, but until it is blowing hot air, you are going to freeze. And trying to get the seat warmers, the window defroster, and the heated steering wheel going is going to be a bitch as they are in the touch screen.
Thanks for a fine review. How do you compare the handling and ride to the Ascent. I have owned an Ascent for almost one year now and I like the smooth ride and the engine. The reason I bought the Ascent is for the 3rd row seat when I have the grand children with us.
Designed to resemble a hiking boot? Seriously, that has to be some of the dumbest marketing I've heard. And I'm sorry, you can't call that screen responsive. Every clip I've seen shows a clear delay between the touch and the response. The first iPad is better than this thing and it's almost ten years old!
Subaru made a point to talk about the new platform enhancing ride stability and reducing noise - but your review seems to not notice any improvements ? Also the base engine has a few more HP from last years model and is supposed to be slightly better ? Again no mention. Front and rear seat room was also suppose to be increased from 2019.
Turbo without manual? No thanks. I think all the reviews are missing the point of Outback. It is only AWD at this price range. Even Rav4 AWD goes over $32K. Ford Ranger with 4x4 option is $32K. You can get base Outback with AWD for $5K less. Also should go over why it doesn't have spare tire. And that AWD is not for everyone. You need to be educated about AWD before owning one.
This vehicle has a CVT. CVT is not a acceptable liability. Therefore the car is not acceptable. No car with a CVT is even remotely acceptable due to transmission failure rate. Even if the transmission lasts as many miles as a traditional automatic or standard, (which I doubt) the cost is double to repair. A car with 120,000 miles with a $7000 repair or a car with 120,000 with a $3500 repair. Not a acceptable liability.
...but some of us like to listen to CDs in their original format...this can't do that. what is glare like on that screen? fingerprints? nighttime blindness? operation in colder temps with gloves on that may or maynot have a tech finger??? [edit: I've been told a cd player can be installed in the center console, but haven't verified it]
I'm not sure I would ever buy a car when you had to use a touch screen to adjust the air conditioner. And can we please quit calling it an SUV? It is a station wagon!
@@josephmacdonald8307 Hummm yeah, why are you that surprised? Head gasket, transmission failure, oil consumption... Some have being fixed but adding a turbo... I have an outback btw.
Idk... they had some issues but it seems like they have been sorted out... we have been getting a lot of 2010-2013 outback trade ins with 150-200k miles original power train. I always ask customers about their ownership and major repairs. Plus the people who had any issues, Subaru fixed it no questions asked.... including my wheel bearing at 75k miles... internet gossip aside from my direct observations in a dealership they seem very reputable even with the issues they have faced in the past few decades.
TRUE. Everyone who has owned a Subaru turbo past 100k miles can tell you. My 06 WRX totally died at 120k miles. And I took great care of it. Head gaskets went first.
I work at the Subaru plant in Lafayette Indiana and before this i was a gm tech for 10 years. EVERY auto maker has these issues. The ls truck engines had huge issues, ford triton engines , dodge truck transmissions, any of this ring a bell? It is very typical to have issues. Remember the Northstar engine? ( high end my ass).
Great review. Just what I wanted to know without too much detail. A solid assessment of the Outback and solid journalism. Thank you
I don't want to sound like a Luddite, but I would much rather have more physical buttons, and less screen. I don't even want to know what it will cost to replace that screen in the event that if fails after the warranty period.
Amen, its a terrible design to put basic functions in a screen.
I agree. Having a display filled with icons that control everything from the entertainment system to the climate control is a terrible distraction. Proof of this is whenever these commercials show the use of the display/icons, they always do it while the vehicle is STOPPED. They never show use of the display/icons while the vehicle is at highway speeds. If they did, the video would then show them hitting something. (Notice he stops the vehicle at 12:47 to dink with the display!)
I have the 2018 with the 8" screen and controls are still manual. They should have stopped there and improved on that. I so agree.
@SnowBoarder&Skier I didn't buy one unfortunately for me, and Subaru. I have been a long time Subaru fan and owner, but their priorities have changed. It's fine if you are just leasing, but I enjoyed Subaru because you could drive them until the wheels fell off. Speaking of Volvo, most of their buyers are indeed lease buyers. They are not concerned with the over implementation of screens. I myself love tech. I build, and tinker with computers, and enjoy having a great cellphone in my pocket. These aren't 30 + k investments that I rely on to get myself to work, and back. We should all be painfully aware of the short life cycle of tech like this by now. It just does't add up.
@@samsmith3025 Except a lot of premium german brands are all going the same way in newer cars. Its just the future.
I'm younger, and I love tech, but I'm honestly tired of seeing all these giant screens. Don't get me wrong, I want a big screen, but all I'm going to use it for is Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. I just don't want to have to take my eyes off the road to see where to touch a screen to adjust the air conditioning, and I don't need all the distracting other UI around CarPlay/Android Auto. I'm loving the 10.25 screens in Kia, with physical controls for AC. That's the big screen setup I'm here for
Agree 100 percent
I’m a huge tech guy also, and I’ve come to think less is more. I just got rid of my outback for an Audi, and I use their digital cockpit and keep the main screen turned off.
This is where all manufacturers are going though, to one degree or another.
Gotta remember younger people aren't the ones with money though.
MrMike44 lol. True but if that's the case the ones with money don't want screens at all because they're too complicated. 🤣
If ur young you really dont need outback its too big. Get a crosstrek 2021.
People who bitch about screens in cars are the same people who thought the internet was a phase
I swear this Subaru’s interior looks better than that Ct6 Caddy I just watched a video of. Well done Subaru.
Subaru has been making some amazing interiors for the price for 2020 and 2021 models.
Yeah for the price nothing comes close except maybe Hyundai especially if you’re a fan, as I am, of the big infotainment screen which just fits perfectly unlike some of these pop screens or 8 inch tablets that just seem to be slapped onto the dash in a haphazard fashion.
I like how this car was presented in this video. It's a normal car for normal ppl. No jumps no obnoxious exhaust no nurburgring times necessary.
Outbacks are champs.. I have the 2011 3.6R. I live in Kenya so you can imagine I'm off the beaten track a lot!
Minus the small brakes, which I'm saving up for bigger brembos..no other issues, I swear by that car 💪💪
I enjoyed watching this review, smooth delivery and just enough focus on some of the smaller details.
The Subaru Outback is to the Legacy what the AMC Eagle was to the Concord/Hornet.....direct lineage but two totally different animals! Thanks for the review, great job.
Yesterday I demo'ed a 2020 Outlander XT Limited and really enjoyed the driving experience. It's strong and refined. The central control screen is a little over the top (maybe a lot, actually) but I could get used to it because the rest of this package is so good.
Best review. Objective and informative. Great job. Outback looks amazing Performs well
Excellent review. Thanks for taking the time to do it right for the prospective buyer.
Dual xmode is just xmode with Traction control off, so it's basically a shortcut, where as before you would have to activate xmode and then press the Traction control off button...
I got a 2018 Outback premium 2.5 with all the options and I myself personally dont feel like the base 2.5 4cylnder is slow, now granted I haven't felt how it feels like to accelerate when its fully loaded with 5 passengers and their luggage but so far with just me going to work on a mix of city and hwy the power feels just right, in fact it feels plenty fast, sometimes when I turn into a hwy onramp I step on it and by the time I'm ready to merge left with the traffic, I be doing like over 106mph! Sure I wanted the more powerful and faster engine but it's not what i really needed, I needed a spacious midsize AWD offroad utility vehicle that got really good (for the size) fuel economy, the fact that it feels and drives like a regular passenger car is a big bonus considering the incredible 8.7 inches of ground clearance for those offroad situations.
Excellent, thorough yet engaging review.
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With the introduction of the Ascent last year and the year after year growth in size of the Forester I was wondering if the Outback would be squeezed out by other Subaru vehicles from both above and below. Thankfully, that doesn't seem to be the case, especially for the turbo XT model.
I wasn't impressed with the 2.4L turbo in the Ascent. Almost all brands have standard of optional V6 engines in their 3 row crossovers. (The Mazda CX-9 is the exception.) And the same is true of the smaller two row midsize crossovers. Only the Outback and the Santa Fe limit the engine choice to a four cylinder turbo in the "tweener" category between 188" and 192" in length. There's a reason for that. In vehicles with curb weights over two tons and weighing close to 5000 lbs or more when loaded with fuel, passengers, and gear/luggage a small displacement more highly stressed four cylinder turbocharged engine has a lot of weight to propel. Performance may be adequate but smooth power delivery and especially durability remain issues to consider. I remain skeptical about the Ascent (and for that matter the CX-9) compared to its rivals.
On the other hand, the Outback XT with the same engine as the Ascent has a curb weight nearly 700 lbs less. Add fuel, passengers, and gear and the difference increases to 900 lbs or more. (Remember the Outback seats five, not 7 or 8.) That's the equivalent of cramming three NFL lineman in the Outback's cargo space! Both performance and durability benefit compared to the Ascent. In fact, early reviews suggest only the Edge ST and some versions of the Jeep Grand Cherokee are quicker to 60 mph.
Some will find the fact that the Subaru offers only a CVT in the Outback (and the Ascent) a major drawback. (In the entire midsize crossover class only the Nissan Murano imposes the same restriction.) I'm no fan of CVT's and adding faux gears and paddle shifters strike me as kinda silly. But I have to admit that CVT's from various manufacturers have improved a lot in the last decade or so. Subaru has apparently done a good job with theirs. And given the weight difference between the Outback and the Ascent I'd guess it's more appropriate in the lighter vehicle.
All in all, I'm impressed with the new Outback. My wife and I dropped it from our shopping list when we purchased a "tweener" size crossover last year primarily because it was so little changed since we considered it six years before. If we were shopping again in the near future that would no longer be the case.
Outback & Passport are not in the same class, you shouldn’t mention that at all.
You’re right. Someone could have been killed.
Great review. I am going to buy one. The only negative you pointed out was the fan controls are small and not always responsive. that is not good given the fan up and down is something I used all the time. Good to know this before I buy it. Darn.
Margaret Mager believe you can simply
Voice activate temperature level on some models . “Temperature 71”
Thanks for the detailed review. More like this, please.
One hell of a review! Great job
Looks like some serious sun glare on the screen at 10:26? Was it an issue to read the display when the sun was hitting it like that?
Just got the 2023, some changes, Subaru changed the buttons on the steering wheel. The volume button is no longer that toggle, it's lower down, a bit confusing but not something you can't get used to after a few months. CarPlay and Android auto is now wireless, you don't have to use a cord anymore. There's a charger it slides in horizontal rather than the vertical you see here, and it fits my iPhone 14 Max Pro. The fog lights are now round which is the way they should have been. As for the 2020 and up on the 260HP engine, it rides like a $100,000 car, big difference between that and my 2020 Forester. Also recently had a problem in an area with no cell service and the Tom Tom (standard on the 260HP) pulled through. The hands free on the lift gate though is finicky, you have to hold your hand in front of it for 5 seconds, eventually you give up and just push the button. You can buy an aftermarket CD player for around $250 if you're really into CD's and came from a Forester, one of the things I miss.
Nice big screen, but the on-screen HVAC controls are a big step backward. I want knobs for temp and fan speed.
Just drove one, first observation on center screen was same thought as yours, the temp controls are one of most often used controls that need to be easily accessed.
Love the car in most all other aspects though.
I love my 2018 Outback Touring ... the 3.6R 6 cylinder has plenty of power .
No turbo lag for sure...☺️☺️
Nice review. Thank you!
Subarus are amazing off road. Infact so good I drove my stock Subaru forester and outback 2.5i through the Sahara desert many times. It out performs some real 4x4s because it's power to weight ratio is very good. I cannot say I would trust any of subarus competition to go where I take my stock Subaru.
Both cvt?
Yep, better on a deep sand beach than any 4wd that I have owned.
Great review, man! Thanks!
Yep, that was my fear with having the HVAC integrated into the touchscreen. The fan controls and heated seat controls would annoy me to no end, especially while driving. Might have to just go with the base model that will have manual controls for HVAC and a smaller screen.
True...but since the 11.6 screen models will have auto climate controls which has physical button for temp which in turn will automatically lower and increase fan based on how the temp is set, but I understand about not having total physical controls.
Also I haven’t seen a pic of base model one which might still have touch HVAC controls on bottom screen.
@@Clam73 Yep. I haven't seen it either, but I'm guessing it will be three rotary dials like in the Forester. I've also seen other video where you can adjust the fan speed settings in the larger 11.6 inch screen, just like you can set the heated seats. I'll need to test drive it and see. Hoping to get a Premium with Nav, the Rockford Fosgate audio upgrade and wireless charging pad.
Agree 100 percent. I would consider other cars simply because of the on-screen HVAC controls. I hate that stuff. Give me knobs for temp and fan. KIA and Hyundai get it!!!
The base version has the same screen only access to the HVAC controls as the large screen models, it is just split into a smaller screen.
Nice review Travis. You covered enough to make it educational and interesting. Definitely considering trading my 17 Outback for the turbo charged one.
I wouldn't😳
You guys deserve mor subs to be honest....
9:00 It is noisy? That's a big shame. The Outback was known for being much quieter than competitors. I wonder if Subaru sadly reduced the sound dampening in order to shave weight.
He probbly compare it to something else. But if you compare to the 2019 outback it abit quieter.
@@demoncorn probbly, lol.
@@demoncorn how do you know that the 2020 is quieter than the 2019? Is this written somewhere?
@@Monkeyseemonkey79 Others review said so lol. Also they added thicker glass and other sound deadening stuff so I heard.
Everything I’ve seen says heavier acoustic glass & increased body sound insulating to make it quieter!
Maybe the turbo engine negates some of the extra sound deadening tech?
Very nice review!
So I have to navigate through 27 different screens to turn off the auto stop start every time I get in the car.............no thanks.
I had 2 rentals with start/stop for 2 weeks each while on vacations. It was very annoying. I promised myself never to buy car with it.
I love that, such a rugged vehicle!
Nice car. I wish I could afford it though I would've bought it for my wife.
@03:33 your hand-eye coordination seems pretty terrible. I don’t think it’s the screen sensitivity.
It was a good assessment for anyone who would be driving down 95 in Atlanta or Bob's Road, ID and not focusing on a screen.
I still kinda like the new Subaru Forester more; however, I can see why folks still enjoy and prefer the lower Subaru Outback. I like how comprehensive and focused this review and presenter is. Very good emphasis on passenger space and comfortable without glossing over the important details, and yet it doesn’t feel like he’s artificially extending the watch time in order to stretch ad revenue.
My only gripe with this car is the high price when fully spec-ed out. However, I suppose this is an issue inherent in almost all Subaru Dealerships these days. In doing so, it really does make you question the value per dollar and forces consumers to seriously compare and consider cheaper Honda’s, Toyota’s, Hyundai’s, and Kia’s. I personally do not mind Subaru’s CVTs any more, because like Honda they have seemed to prove they can create reliable and efficient CVT transmissions that won’t leave their owners stranded. Nissan’s and select Toyota CVTs have still yet to win back consumer confidence from those that are in the know.
Subaru makes a reliable CVT? You'll be amazed at the TH-cam videos on this very subject.
Norm T If you’re referring to this: th-cam.com/video/ZR3eZZcgoZ0/w-d-xo.html most Subaru owners are very well aware. However, even with those Subaru CVT issues, as bad as they are, it doesn’t seem to be as terrible and wide spread as Nissan’s mythical 60K-160k mile time bomb CVT nor the Toyota mass recalls on CVTs
Still trolling your BS, Norm?
Dreamy, Norm is a Subaru hater troll - he has an agenda.
@@eskieman3948 jalopnik.com/subarus-trying-to-fix-its-quality-problem-before-its-to-1835819521
Optional Screen? What's the alternative?
I have a 2010 3.6r. Its an amazing car and i'm sad to see Subaru going away from the 6 cylinder. I'd have to be really convinced in a test drive that the 2.4 Turbo is a better power plant. Also, would the 2.4 Turbo be as reliable as the 3.6r, or will I have to constantly check on my head gasket?
Nick Burnley, good questions. I used to own a used 6-cyl Volvo wagon. It had the same engine block as the Peugeot and the infamous DeLorean. But Volvo soon dropped it, and even the Volvo dealer didn’t want to work on it.
One time they changed a water pump, and over the weekend my battery would die. I put an ammeter on it and found out it was drawing an amp. I took it back to the dealer and they tried to tell me it was the clock. Yeah, a 12 watt clock. Nice try, bozos.
So getting an engine that they’re discontinuing might end up being more problematic than a newer engine that has been around the block (so to speak) in the Ascent as well as in their race cars.
Oh, well. Since they’re going for mileage, the turbo 4 makes more sense. And since the torque curve is relatively flat from 2K rpm that’s not too bad.
For some reason the look of both the outback and the Forester appeal to me. As for the CVT I haven't yet drove a vehicle with a CVT so I can't really speak from personal experience.From what I've seen online it seems like they should be pretty good on a scenic trail.I don't have plans for Rock Crawling but would like to get a little bit off the beaten path.With the fuel economy they talk about maybe a nice Sunday drive or overnight camping trip would be more affordable for some. As for the camera's with face recognition,no thanks. If I was gonna get one I'd get a trim level without that.
Is there any problems with the CVT transmission ???
I heard that there was.
I have been waiting for 3 yrs for the redesign of the Outback. I own a 2011 Subaru Outback Limited and really like the handling and comfort. I have seen several reviews of the 2020 and am ready to buy the 2020 Model. The touchcreen is going to be a learning curve and the steering wheel is very busy as well. The 2020 Model is only 3" longer.
Excellent review
Cars I’ve owned: 93 s-10, 98 Camry 4 cil, 2000 crv, 2009 forester and two outbacks including the latest, 2022, which I traded up for. 2.5 182 hp, is plenty fast when you’ve never driven anything else even remotely quick, lol. It’s all perspective.
I purchased a new Outback in 2017. It had RAB and many other electrical problems from the start. I had it in the shop 10 times for repair. towed to the dealer no less than 4 times. Went a total of 42 days without my car. It was a Lemon. Even the district service manager told me to contact Subaru Customer service to get a full refund, as they could not figure out what is wrong with the car. After months of being given the run around, Subaru customer service did not refund my money as they should have. I traded my car in, still under warranty, still not fixed. I lost over $14,000 because Subaru does not stand behind their cars. Toyota is looking better all the time
Great commentary Travis!
Awesome review. As others have mentioned, it a shame that there are no physical buttons which are inherently more useful when driving but on the whole, this looks to be another good addition from Subaru.
I wish to purchase although not sure about the turbo and cvt reliability. Can anyone chime in to help me decide? Greatly appreciated
where is the road in the offroad part of the video?
Need to see Carlos drift this in the woods.
Turbos have to be replaced after awhile, wonder what the cost will be? I will take a straight 6 over a turbo 4 anytime.
The Flying Brompton not if you are OCD about maintenance. A guy I worked with had an old Subaru Legacy with the old turbo motor. It was a grey import from Japan. Original turbo and it had 400,000 kms.
keith schaedel they would not. Not here in Canada. Anything broken on the car is the owners responsibility.
You say 'body on frame SUV's' an awful lot considering that the 4runner is really the only one left that isnt a behemoth. I doubt jeep/runner buyers are cross shopping an outback. This to me compares w the small to midsize cuteutes. Edge murano etc and below. And I'd rather have the Sub than any of those. But let's not kid anyone saying this competes w a runner that is way more capable, can tow, and is just a totally different genre. A wagon suv and truck SUV are not competitors.
Subaru will always be one of my favorite car brands. A great car company.
Best review
Is it still going to burn oil as a matter of course? Is the CVT still unserviceable and suspect?
No dice.
Are you still spreading childish myths like a moronic troll? Take a hike.
Oil burning hasn’t been an issue for several years. Subaru fixed that issue. They’re not perfect but pretty close. Outback are monsters on/off road
I bought a loaded Outback years ago and it burned oil like crazy! Dealer acted like they have never heard about the issue even though you could google it and read all about it from so many frustrated consumers! Looking back I would have felt differently about the issue if Subaru had taken responsibility. Love the Outback, but could probably not take that chance again. Traded it for a new Toyota 4Runner which has been awesome!!
@@eskieman3948 Here's your Myth to chew on, Einstein. Read 'em and weep.
jalopnik.com/subaru-settles-lawsuit-over-oil-burning-cars-1752805682
Martin R The legal case just got settled in 2016. I think we need to be a few more years down the road before we decide that it's not an issue anymore. But judging from these Subaru owners, it's not very promising:
www.cargurus.com/Cars/Discussion-d374_ds769772
And come on, Martin. I like a Subie's off-payment and inclement weather performance, But they're not MONSTERS off road. Wranglers, Defenders, and G-Series Mercedes are monsters.
Subarus are adventurous, throw-around, all weather road cars that can get pushed a little beyond. Off road monsters they are not.
Oh Yeeeeees it's my dreaming that Subaru outback 2020,do you any one has a second hand for it?Nice weekend
This roof rail does not support 700 pounds. That is the Wilderness trim.
You really like that infotainment system?
So when the center console goes out (like my 2018 did) and stays out for over a month waiting on parts (like my 2018 did) you are hosed? More crap on the console is not an improvement. Fan control ?? Seriously?
Beautiful interior
Great review, informative, detailed, fun to listen to (for serious buyers). Great car.
One question - does the cargo cover fold into the trunk floor?
B TYC yes, it slots right into a notched area under the floor.
T Damon 👍 thanks
Why in Italy isn't available the dark green colour?
Did you try to climb over any obstacles with it? That is the knock on the modern CVT Subaru. I can tell you that I have seen less capability with my 2016 than I did with my 2005. It is still great on the beach and better than any jeep but if you go down into a short mudhole, don't expect it to just climb up the other side if you have a steep embankment. It cuts power, something my 2005 did not do.
I’m the only person that would care about this but the into music is in 7/8, good job.
He said that this model has the dual X mode, I though that only the onyx had dual mode? The onyx has black wheels and different seat coverings, Can anyone answer this question?
The XT models come standard with Dual X-Mode.
is the 700 lb tent sitting mean people inside then make it 176 lb underway tent folded?
I definitely see the appeal and value...but... the Bronco is going to be in the same price range! I’m not saying it’s for everyone, but it’s gotta be worth a look for a comparison. Even if you’re not hitting the hard trails.
I’m getting one for my wife. Not the turbo. She don’t care. 🙄
Why don't new cars make a built in smart phone holder
Because of safety issue. Technically phones are distraction. IMO
@@PleaseLikeAndShare001 I understand but the screens are sometimes non responsive especially in cold weather. Not a fan of car screens. They seem to not work well and that is more of a distraction to me than my phone.
Which trim, if any, is there acoustic glass? I heard that there is but I'm not sure which trim?
Probably only the top trim
Limited and higher get the acoustic front side glass as well as the windshield.
A $28k vehicle becomes $40k as tested here. That's the game. They lure you in with a base price, then gouge you on a few features they know you'll want.
As for the nanny controls that so many people hate, he said "some" of them can be turned off. Why not all of them? Who owns this car, the owner or Subaru?
You new to marketing and capitalism?
I bought the base model. It's all you need, less stuff to break . Under $30k
Thank you for your reply
I love this car I believe I can have it this year
Is there turbo lag?
No. Watch the latest (post embargo) 2020 Subaru Outback video reviews by Alex on Autos and Redline. Both the standard 4 cylinder and the turbo 4 engines are tested by each reviewer. I didn't see anything that looked like turbo lag, like what you see with the 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe Turbo.
Yes they lag the intercooler pipes! 😜😜😂😂👍
2.4 Turbo ? never heard of it ! Definitely not available here in the UK. Surprise surprise.
David Nixon it will not be available here in EU...
We will be left with the NA engine plus likely a new mild hybrid 182+16 HP set up.
It will be relatively slow but will hold its value due to the other virtues.
David Nixon - yeah, but you guys in Europe and Australia have had the Subaru diesel, which unfortunately, North America never did.
It's beautiful, but I hate the idea of climate control integrated into the touch screen. I'm always fiddling with that on a road trip, and the idea that I cannot memorize the tactile feel and location of the controls, and I might have to fight with a finicky screen, is almost a deal breaker. I might have to snag a high-end 2018 or 19. (I just rented a 2018 with the 2.5 liter engine and it was fine.)
Basement Berean same here. I know the base models have twin screens with buttons, but I have yet to see what the dash looks like.
I’m with ya that I prefer a couple of rotary dials and hard buttons for climate control but at least it does have hard switches for temp on both sides and always on fan speed and AC (or auto, it’s customizable) on the dedicated touch screen area. You tend not to fiddle with much more than the temp, fan speed and AC on/off too much once you are settled in so it seems livable. Also have the hard buttons for both front and rear defogger/defrost. Of course if the screen goes kerplunk you are f*cked.
@Kevin Wright the base model with the smaller twin screens has the exact same set up, no additional hard climate control buttons and actually a smaller area of the bottom touch screen available for the always on parts of it.
Tpolerex I was hoping the base model was setup differently. Oh well. It’s still lacking hard buttons to change the direction of the airflow from feet to front. So if the system resets every time the car is turned off than people will have to wait for the system to load and respond to their input. That sucks in -30 degree winter when the touch screens will freeze up and the system blows cold air. Yes you can get warm air eventually, but until it is blowing hot air, you are going to freeze. And trying to get the seat warmers, the window defroster, and the heated steering wheel going is going to be a bitch as they are in the touch screen.
@Kevin Wright both front and rear defrost is a physical button on all models.
Tpolerex that’s good. But it still doesn’t justify a touch screen that is so distracting to the driver.
On what planet is a midsize SUV a "lifted hatch"? Sounds like Crosstrek talking points that got mixed up...
Thanks for a fine review. How do you compare the handling and ride to the Ascent. I have owned an Ascent for almost one year now and I like the smooth ride and the engine. The reason I bought the Ascent is for the 3rd row seat when I have the grand children with us.
I would want it for day to day..... except it still has a CVT.
Designed to resemble a hiking boot? Seriously, that has to be some of the dumbest marketing I've heard.
And I'm sorry, you can't call that screen responsive. Every clip I've seen shows a clear delay between the touch and the response. The first iPad is better than this thing and it's almost ten years old!
That's what all other car infotainment does.
:::::::::::: Yeah and its not good enough - they are ripping customers off.
The (Modern) Griswold Family Truckster!
Nahh, if Clark had this, he would not have had to call the tow truck.
Should fit nicely under a log truck, with good handling when approaching a snowblower.
Half Moon bay?
With CVT? Then not really forget it
With Style CVT is the present and the future for the auto industry, get use to it lol.
Actually subaru has the only good cvt
Esta es la maquina para subir al volcan Villarrica, se ve esplendida. En casa de mi abuela hay un subaru leone 1987. Subaru the best.
I think it’s more of a station wagon than a SUV.
Does it matter what people want to call it?
Paul M Nah...definitely more SUV than station wagon compared to the first few generations of the Outback! It’s big as a Jeep Cherokee now.
Subaru made a point to talk about the new platform enhancing ride stability and reducing noise - but your review seems to not notice any improvements ? Also the base engine has a few more HP from last years model and is supposed to be slightly better ? Again no mention. Front and rear seat room was also suppose to be increased from 2019.
Turbo without manual? No thanks.
I think all the reviews are missing the point of Outback. It is only AWD at this price range. Even Rav4 AWD goes over $32K. Ford Ranger with 4x4 option is $32K. You can get base Outback with AWD for $5K less. Also should go over why it doesn't have spare tire. And that AWD is not for everyone. You need to be educated about AWD before owning one.
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They push their screens which most times are lame.
This vehicle has a CVT. CVT is not a acceptable liability. Therefore the car is not acceptable. No car with a CVT is even remotely acceptable due to transmission failure rate. Even if the transmission lasts as many miles as a traditional automatic or standard, (which I doubt) the cost is double to repair. A car with 120,000 miles with a $7000 repair or a car with 120,000 with a $3500 repair. Not a acceptable liability.
New Subaru engine means you should wait out about 5 years.
...but some of us like to listen to CDs in their original format...this can't do that. what is glare like on that screen? fingerprints? nighttime blindness? operation in colder temps with gloves on that may or maynot have a tech finger??? [edit: I've been told a cd player can be installed in the center console, but haven't verified it]
It can, $399 option.
Most Auto manufactures don't have creativity anymore, new cars and 6 year old car are all most identical. I am waiting for the cyberTruck.
I'm not sure I would ever buy a car when you had to use a touch screen to adjust the air conditioner. And can we please quit calling it an SUV? It is a station wagon!
put a torq locker in it
Cvt+boxer+turbo... Reliable for long term, don't think so.
Right because Subaru is known for being so unreliable?
@@josephmacdonald8307 Hummm yeah, why are you that surprised?
Head gasket, transmission failure, oil consumption...
Some have being fixed but adding a turbo...
I have an outback btw.
Idk... they had some issues but it seems like they have been sorted out... we have been getting a lot of 2010-2013 outback trade ins with 150-200k miles original power train. I always ask customers about their ownership and major repairs. Plus the people who had any issues, Subaru fixed it no questions asked.... including my wheel bearing at 75k miles... internet gossip aside from my direct observations in a dealership they seem very reputable even with the issues they have faced in the past few decades.
TRUE. Everyone who has owned a Subaru turbo past 100k miles can tell you. My 06 WRX totally died at 120k miles. And I took great care of it. Head gaskets went first.
I work at the Subaru plant in Lafayette Indiana and before this i was a gm tech for 10 years. EVERY auto maker has these issues. The ls truck engines had huge issues, ford triton engines , dodge truck transmissions, any of this ring a bell? It is very typical to have issues. Remember the Northstar engine? ( high end my ass).
*By Golly Ima gonna be buying me one of each*
Hopefully its nothing like my 2017 which was shit.
May I ask in what way? Thinking of upgrading from a 2013 Honda Crosstour. Thanks.
@@troyhickman8577 horrible electrical and transmission problems, Christmas tree Lights its called,going for the lemon law
wow it can read your face now the government knows every trip you make lol
Paranoid!
@@Joseph-du8ws lol
Because you're THAT important.
Subaru's are great.
According to some, this infotainment is slow AF.
Anyone has any hands-on experience ?