I had a 2003 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V that, while it was a mechanical nightmare, I miss driving a lot. I’ve got a CR-V right now and am seriously considering this once my wife takes over the CR-V. The SI seems like perfect balance of practical and fun.
i own the 2019 Si and its really the most fun car iève owned! the ONLY thing i wish is more HP.... hope Honda can listen and increase from 205 to like 240 Hp so the gap is not so wide with the type R
I own a 2019 Si and all you need is a plug and play tune like hondata or ktuner to get to 240hp... then you can add performance parts like intake, downpipe, intercooler, etc. to take that even further so you decide. I did all of the latter and the car is a whole different beast. Have fun!
I have a 2019 SI Coupe which I love. The only thing I can think of is I wish they offered an SI touring model with leather, power seats and navigation as standard
can power seats be added, i use my phone for navigating. i do love mazda 3 interior it is like 3 times more upscale, soft touch leather, buttons, instrument dials, etc.
@@Tigerex966 I would be buying another Mazda3 now if they had a sedan with the manual. I just don't like their hatchback design of any year, especially the latest one though. Oddly to say I do like the look of the VW GTI but worry about the reliability and cost of long term ownership.
I just got the 2020 SI sedan in white. It's perfect. The car feels incredibly nimble and balanced. When you go to parallel park it, you can tell it's not that big a car. But miraculously when you are inside, it feels almost like a midsize. Even in the back seats my 5'11" kids have oodles of leg room. I have other vehicles to use when hauling the family around, but this is my car. Even as I sit here typing a part of me is aware that my SI is sitting in the garage, and I can make up some errand that needs to be done NOW so I have to go out and drive it, haha. That's the real key for a car like this, isn't it? You WANT to drive the darn thing, because it's so much fun, and this car really is. If you are thinking about it, take the plunge. You'll find yourself grinning stupidly as you drive.
Ironfangzu I’m really thinking about trading in my 2017 Abarth for a 2020 si. Do you get used to the rev hang and slushy shifts due to that? That was the only thing that annoyed me on test drive. Also, the seat felt good for a few minutes, but do the aggressive seats get old daily driving? Thanks for your insights!
Thanks, Alex. My first Honda was a Red 1990 Civic SI 3-door hatchback. I owned 10 yrs. and put 180,000 miles on it. Great little car and would average over 30 MPG. To this day it's my favorite car, just ahead of the 2007 Mazda 6i 5-door I owned for 12 years, with 168,000 trouble free miles and traded in last year for a 2019 Mazda CX-5 Signature. Love your channel and reviews.
Drone at 75? yes please! I wouldn’t be buying an Si to give a great amount of thought to fuel economy while I’m screaming through the gears. I checked and I can’t see an ILX available with a manual trans. If I see gen ten Si out on the road, I know it’s going to be a manual and that says something about the driver. We,who drive a Civic Si, don’t want an automatic! This car is not for everyone. It’s for people who drive and who also don’t have a destination. Driving is the reason to drive. As for factory navigation, CarPlay takes car of that. Always love your attention to detail Alex. Thanks for another comprehensive and enjoyable flic.
Never really appreciate the Civic's exterior. Luckily this RED is so attractive, now I know at least there's a Civic that has the look that's livable. Heard as lot about it's handling and fun factor. With wild praises from Alex, perhaps it's about time I try one out myself.
please stop asking honda to add auto to the civic si, because if they do, people will stop buying the manual, and it will be discontinued. it is one of the few, if not only fwd 6 speed manual only cars available and should keepthat uniqueness. especially with the corcettes and supras, audi's, mercedes, infiniti's and others all getting rid of the manual.
@@robertgraham5486 yes recently added but for how long no one knows. Honda is said to be killing model line soon. To simplify its model choices accord will probably axed the manual after first eliminating it from all models but the sport and than making that hard to find.
Thank you for a review that is heavy on the actual driving experience. We all have eyes to see what the car looks like, and all reviews show you the interior. But your review focuses on how it feels to drive this car, the handling, the interior sound level, the handling, and the overall experience. I think most people who would consider buying an SI are really into the fun of driving a well made car, and your review shows us that the Civic SI will probably satisfy those urges in us.
Completely agree with you regarding the revised final drive ratio. They could have fiddled with the gearing of the lower gears. But they were lazy and claim they wanted to improve passing acceleration which is just asinine as you said it’s easy to drop a gear down to pass.
Nice looking car. Honda did a good job tweeking the design just a little bit and didn't go over the top. Im shopping for a new car and since i have 2 young kids isnt going to stop me from getting a car that is fun to drive but still practical
Why is 6th gear so high? People who drive Si know how to shift down for rapid passing, and a good low ratio 6th gear would be great for long highway trips. // Edit: I see Alex addresses this very concern at 17:30 -- thank you.
Those of us who live in the Midwest USA thank Honda for tall top gears. Fantastic when cruising across SD or KS at 80+. Short top gears suck, i.e. Honda Fit.
I have a 2018 Civic Si and I am still really liking it. Handles really well in the corners and the LSD with all the torque from the turbo gives you great feel when you punch it coming out of turns. I am glad my 2018 does not have a lower drive ratio, already approaching 3000 rpm when cruising on the highway going 70-75 mph. As far as oil dilution goes I am in the north east and have not had a problem with that. I change the oil every 3000-5000 miles just to be sure.
Did you compare the SI to anything else when you made your purchase? Are you running regular grade gas or premium? And does your car have a spare tire?
@@t.k.morris This car runs on premium to get peak power. Audi A5, SQ5, BMW X2. Audi A4, Camry TRD, Tesla... it's true fun car. money to fun is excellent and economical on gaz and build for the bad pavement (Texas)
Nice review, Alex. I appreciate you discussing the enjoyment that a manual transmission provides. One of my coworkers, a former automatic driver, currently has a Civic Si and loves it. One thing: sure, many auto and DCT cars are faster than their manual counterparts. Really, though, in day to day driving, where is anyone going to notice a couple of tenths more when accelerating? As such, I feel you over emphasize the faster argument.
I just got my 2020 Honda Civic Si sedan and absolutely love it! My previous car was a 2000 Honda Accord EX (which I bought new also) and having all the safety and tech at such a good price is awesome! I would have gotten the summer tires but then I wouldn't have been able to get modern steel metallic color I wanted. I did buy separate winter tires and rims but since the tpms is linked to the factory rims I just won't have that in the winter. Overall it's a very fun car to drive and hoping to keep it for 20 years also!
@@aviatorsdream4686 Not to those who love the 2.0 liter. like me. The difference in price and power between the civic si and r is HUGE. A model right in between the R and si SiR would be easy for Honda to do, and make them more money, many Honda si owners and possible buyers were and still are not excited at all by the 1.5liter fit engine + turbo, as the engine when not in boost is too weak for this car. Nor it's oil dilution history. On the other hand the 2.0 liter K series Vtec 2.0 turbo in the Honda accord, can even without turbo power the civic si well.
I know this is old but nobody mentioned WHY this is a dumb comment. To add the 2.0T option to the accord it is an over 4k upcharge no matter A/T or M/T option. Now you are in 30k territory for power levels that aren't that much more.
It would be more expensive than that. The body would need to be strengthened and the transmission may not match up. I'm betting it would be closer to the $4000 range for an add-on. For that much added cost, buyers would likely just buy the Accord or something nicer than the Civic.
Would putting the 2.0 L turbo from the Accord (maybe a tune for about 230-240 hp) make it more special? Obviously the Type R has to be the best in Honda’s lineup, but a slight power bump couldn’t hurt.
Dammit, I don't get why they had to shorten the final gear, which lowers your hwy mpgs. People who wanna drive stick don't mind dropping a gear to pass. I hated that high cruising RPM with my MT Fit and Prelude.
One tenth of a second faster isn't worth the extra drone on the highway and worse fuel economy. It seems Honda doesn't quite understand Si buyers. We live to shift so it was never an issue downshifting to pass so their rationale for the change in gearing doesn't make sense. They should have worked on the rev hang and maybe a slightly better tune of the ECU for added performance. Also kind of hate the black wheels. Previous wheels look great.
@@thisisntsergio1352 which is really a civic engine, this new accord is a civic, and uses civic engines, and the civic gets the most powerful 1.5 and 2.0 liter versions of that engine, and LSD for much better handling. This is one of the first times that the Honda Accord has no special engine or platform of it's own above the Civic (aside the hybrid, although the insight is really a civic too, as well as the crv). Which is probably why the civic now outsales it Hopefully Honda will give the accord something of it's own again like AWD, V6, better looks, smaller size, a coupe again.
BBB T Yes I agree. Although I’m sure I’d love the Si I couldn’t give up the 220 hp and 258 lb ft of torque in my GTI. Any car with a manual is fun to me though. 😀
I'm kind of appalled by the idea that any car could lack a spare tire and somehow be ok. There's a huge difference between having it and not having it when you blow a tire in the highway / in the middle of nowhere.
The plan is to introduce 0w16 "b" oil in may 2020. The newer recipe of 0w16 will be less likely to be diluted by the gas/petrol. I haven't read anything about adjusting piston rings in these engines but I can't keep up with everything (I'm not as smart as Alex) The oil dilution issues occur mainly in vehicles that aren't driven for enough minutes. Ppl who have Longer run times aren't reporting the dilution issue. I'm not a Honda owner.
@@pbentsonable As a Si owner in Canada, We did get a service bulletin to adjust ECU cold start fuel trims. And having driven with the update through a fairly cold winter last year, for me at least it seemed to have fixed the issue. I assume that all L15 Engines at this point will get the revised tune from the factory at this point. As for the people affected with the old version, we got a 6 year unlimited mileage power train warranty as a result.
He did. Watch his recent CRV video where Alex talks, in detail, about when and why the oil dilution issue matters, and does not matter. Bottom line: it is not a thing in most use cases.
Kudos Honda! The best sport compact car just got even better! Love the new looks and wheels. Thanks for Honda Sensing it works great! I’m ok with a better final drive and less mpg. And I love the fact you only make it in a manual transmission. #savethemanuals I would love an Si hatch! But I guess we can’t have everything we want. And a hatch Si would cannibalize sales from the Type R or Sport hatch. The good thing if you don’t want a manual or want better MPG or a better interior- you can always choose another Civic. For a car with an LSD, heated seats, Honda sensing, adaptive dampers, Apple CarPlay, killer handling and a sunroof all for $25k. I can’t think of a better value. Not to mention reliability and resale value.
Agree with Alex's comment about Honda changing final drive ratio so driver's didn't have to shift to lower gear to pass unnecessary as the fun of driving a stick is being to downshift to pass. Also to differentiate the Si from the other sport Civics the Si needs more horsepower 220 or 230 at least.
Of course, it wasn't available when this video was released. The Kia Forte GT is a much better value. Fully loaded for the same money as Civic Si starting price. Love driving both. Drove my Mom's Si one time, it's a fun car.
Is the shorter final drive truly worth losing the 2mpg in the city and highway cycle? The new ameneties are nice for sure, but I don't really like the wheels, exterior changes, and additional red accents. The Si is still a phenomenal value however.
Manual handbrake please. An extra 50+hp and AWD would be welcome, but manual handbrake is a must on this car and the type R and even the Accord sport 6mt (both trims). It just blows my mind how almost not one reviewer is bothered by this omission on the 10th gen Si
It'd be about perfect if it didn't require premium fuel. Put the turbocharged 2.0T from the Accord Sport in the Civic Si (which produces 250HP on regular-grade fuel), change the tranny to better pair with the larger engine, and you've got a winner.
Does anyone know if the fake noise can be turned off in the menus like in the GTI or Veloster. Would suck if it has to stay on, especially during long highway runs.
@@t.k.morris low traction situations or whenever you want? You will feel the difference with spirited driving. It's for fun mostly unless you live in a snowy climate
I just recently purchased a 2019 Civic Si and Alex reported that the new one give about 30 in the city? Well if it's like the previous year model. I been averaging no more than 29.8 in combine driving HWY/CITY. I have been averaging 27.2 or so living in the Metro ATL area. So, Alex subtracted -2 so about 25.2.
For the price, you cannot do better. It's a great deal. My knit picks against it is the continued horrible Honda wheel design and that it is closer to the regular Civic in terms of performance than the Type R
Hello Alex, I wanted to leave some feedback. The turning camera during the driving section, didn't like it. It felt disorienting. Hope you're having a good day.
Just like Cobb Tuning is synonymous with Subaru, you Honda fanboys should take a serious look at Hondata. With one of their tunes paired with an aftermarket C.A.I. And exhaust, you can be right there in terms of power with a stock WRX.
I love the current Civic and recognize its rear leg room advantages over competitors, but I also drive a 20 year old Toyota Camry that has much more leg room in the back.
They need to offer this in a hatchback. I hate they still have the ugly fake vents on the back. The sport hatchback looks a lot better in the rear because the style pieces flow together with the black rear diffuser and real twin exhaust but on this sedan it just looks tacked on. It’s really bad aesthetics.
Hi Alex, great review 👌 Question please, I’m a manual transmission novice, need a nimble, fun daily runabout. Trying to decide between Civic sport, Civic Si, & Corolla. Tempted to get the civic Si but concerned about ride quality as I’m not a young man. Any advice you have is much appreciated. thank you.
I am 62 and test drove one today.It was fantastic but not everyone has the same opinion about comfort, among most other things. I have two motorcycles and I drive a semi truck, my current daily driver is a 2006 Mazda3 5sp, so what I find to be comfortable may not be the same for you. I loved the seats, the transmission and the way it handled. I was hoping for a Modern Steel metallic but they only had a black one, which I liked a lot because it mostly hid the ugly fake vents! I also liked the passenger side blind spot camera! And the sun roof. And I am 6ft 1in and fit in the back seat of the 4 door sedan behind my own driving position! And with a hat my head did not hit the roof back there!
I have the 2019 s i I really really love that car I did the ktuner it helped with rev hang and definitely turbo ramp up it definitely could use a lightweight flywheel I think that would help with rev hang also period. It's a 32-pound dual-mass flywheel from the factory awesome review BTW
I got a Hondata for my 2020 Si Coupe and disabled the rev hang. The car drives a lot better with it disabled. The lighter flywheel would be nice to get rid of the rest of the rev hang but the Hondata got rid of a lot of it. It's a fun car and the rev hang delete makes it even more fun.
@@honda116969 I agree with you 100%. I actually enjoy driving that car now. I hated driving it with the rev hang. Made the car so goddamn annoying to drive. The car drives so much better with it disabled.
if Honda's not going to add a dct to the Si then reduce the rev-hang and add auto rev-matching for the newbies to manual. the new cheaper manual corolla have auto rev-matching
When I need to pass on the highway, I just put it into 4th or 5th gear. Why would they lower 6th gear; it’s literally the slowest gear to pass someone in.
Same thing happened with the BMW 3 series... And now its selling so well, They won't even offer a manual in North America. To me, the Si really isn't all too different from a regular civic...If you want an "Auto Si" just buy some aftermarket tires on the regular version, or spend a little bit more and get an ilx. Sales don't need to "explode" for an Si because it's just a variant of the Civic, which is doing fine.
As good as this gen Civic is, I've never warmed up to the looks. Honda is capable of very good styling, but unfortunately, this isn't one of the better examples of it. Fingers crossed, next gen is better. At least this one lost that weird 2 level instrument cluster from the last one.
Wish they would do a dual clutch auto or some form of automatic on the si like all the cars it competes with do. I like the looks over the regular Civic.
I disagree. It would allow the Si to appeal to more buyers, but I think it would lose something. Honda is staying true to the 6MT by not offering their performance models in automatic. With manuals already going away in favor of CVTs, DCTs, or 8+ speed automatic transmissions, I think honda is doing us right by keeping the 6MT around.
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I had a 2003 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V that, while it was a mechanical nightmare, I miss driving a lot. I’ve got a CR-V right now and am seriously considering this once my wife takes over the CR-V. The SI seems like perfect balance of practical and fun.
i own the 2019 Si and its really the most fun car iève owned! the ONLY thing i wish is more HP.... hope Honda can listen and increase from 205 to like 240 Hp so the gap is not so wide with the type R
That's why they should've thrown in a detuned type r engine, I would've traded in if they did that.
I own a 2019 Si and all you need is a plug and play tune like hondata or ktuner to get to 240hp... then you can add performance parts like intake, downpipe, intercooler, etc. to take that even further so you decide. I did all of the latter and the car is a whole different beast. Have fun!
@@mengdynasty6034 Seeing how Accords get the 2.0 turbo. Si Should for sure have the 2.0T.
The practicality, fun, and reliability of the Honda Civic Si is really intriguing 👍
I have a 2019 SI Coupe which I love. The only thing I can think of is I wish they offered an SI touring model with leather, power seats and navigation as standard
can power seats be added, i use my phone for navigating.
i do love mazda 3 interior it is like 3 times more upscale, soft touch leather, buttons, instrument dials, etc.
@@Tigerex966 I would be buying another Mazda3 now if they had a sedan with the manual. I just don't like their hatchback design of any year, especially the latest one though. Oddly to say I do like the look of the VW GTI but worry about the reliability and cost of long term ownership.
This car looks insanely big! I bet it's as big if not bigger than the Accord of 15 years ago
sephiros9883 no it’s as big as an Accord in the 80s
I just got the 2020 SI sedan in white. It's perfect. The car feels incredibly nimble and balanced. When you go to parallel park it, you can tell it's not that big a car. But miraculously when you are inside, it feels almost like a midsize. Even in the back seats my 5'11" kids have oodles of leg room. I have other vehicles to use when hauling the family around, but this is my car. Even as I sit here typing a part of me is aware that my SI is sitting in the garage, and I can make up some errand that needs to be done NOW so I have to go out and drive it, haha. That's the real key for a car like this, isn't it? You WANT to drive the darn thing, because it's so much fun, and this car really is. If you are thinking about it, take the plunge. You'll find yourself grinning stupidly as you drive.
Ironfangzu I’m really thinking about trading in my 2017 Abarth for a 2020 si. Do you get used to the rev hang and slushy shifts due to that? That was the only thing that annoyed me on test drive. Also, the seat felt good for a few minutes, but do the aggressive seats get old daily driving? Thanks for your insights!
@@Ironfangzu Did you compare this to anything else? What sold you on the SI?
Feels like the Si is just a few HP shy of being the perfect Civic.
Nothing a tune and header can't fix
@@Mountain413 Header? It doesn't have an exhaust manifold.
What about it's 8k rev limit? I thought that was what they were known for..
@@XenomorphLV426 That died when they threw the turbo on it.
230 hp will be perfect!
Thanks, Alex. My first Honda was a Red 1990 Civic SI 3-door hatchback. I owned 10 yrs. and put 180,000 miles on it. Great little car and would average over 30 MPG. To this day it's my favorite car, just ahead of the 2007 Mazda 6i 5-door I owned for 12 years, with 168,000 trouble free miles and traded in last year for a 2019 Mazda CX-5 Signature. Love your channel and reviews.
They need to bump the power a bit, the gap between the type R and Si is massive
FSAPO Yes, this is like the Sport Plus
Hondata tune would give you those extra horses.
tinhinnh so is the price.
Yeah the gap is way too big. I fully expect the next generation to get at least 230.
so is the price though, brand new si $25k, type R's have markup to $50k here in socal.
2019+ acura ILX do not have a manual. I wish they did, but they don't offer it
If so, that would be the premium package Alex was looking for.
Drone at 75? yes please!
I wouldn’t be buying an Si to give a great amount of thought to fuel economy while I’m screaming through the gears.
I checked and I can’t see an ILX available with a manual trans. If I see gen ten Si out on the road, I know it’s going to be a manual and that says something about the driver. We,who drive a Civic Si, don’t want an automatic!
This car is not for everyone. It’s for people who drive and who also don’t have a destination. Driving is the reason to drive. As for factory navigation, CarPlay takes car of that. Always love your attention to detail Alex. Thanks for another comprehensive and enjoyable flic.
Never really appreciate the Civic's exterior. Luckily this RED is so attractive, now I know at least there's a Civic that has the look that's livable. Heard as lot about it's handling and fun factor. With wild praises from Alex, perhaps it's about time I try one out myself.
Glad you are reviewing other than the top of the line models
please stop asking honda to add auto to the civic si, because if they do, people will stop buying the manual, and it will be discontinued.
it is one of the few, if not only fwd 6 speed manual only cars available and should keepthat uniqueness.
especially with the corcettes and supras, audi's, mercedes, infiniti's and others all getting rid of the manual.
Agreed!
Isn't Honda making the sport touring hatchback available in a manual ?
@@robertgraham5486 yes recently added but for how long no one knows.
Honda is said to be killing model line soon.
To simplify its model choices accord will probably axed the manual after first eliminating it from all models but the sport and than making that hard to find.
Tigerex966 just the manual line of s/t hatchback ?
@@robertgraham5486 ok i see
Thank you for a review that is heavy on the actual driving experience. We all have eyes to see what the car looks like, and all reviews show you the interior. But your review focuses on how it feels to drive this car, the handling, the interior sound level, the handling, and the overall experience. I think most people who would consider buying an SI are really into the fun of driving a well made car, and your review shows us that the Civic SI will probably satisfy those urges in us.
The Civic SI looks so much better than the Type R.
Completely agree with you regarding the revised final drive ratio. They could have fiddled with the gearing of the lower gears. But they were lazy and claim they wanted to improve passing acceleration which is just asinine as you said it’s easy to drop a gear down to pass.
i really enjoy how informative, detailed and clean layout you use in your videos. definitely one of my favorites now
Nice looking car. Honda did a good job tweeking the design just a little bit and didn't go over the top. Im shopping for a new car and since i have 2 young kids isnt going to stop me from getting a car that is fun to drive but still practical
Kinda like the sedan more than the coupe.
I’m starting to like the sedan now. I didn’t like it cause of the back but it’s growing on me
Why is 6th gear so high? People who drive Si know how to shift down for rapid passing, and a good low ratio 6th gear would be great for long highway trips. // Edit: I see Alex addresses this very concern at 17:30 -- thank you.
Those of us who live in the Midwest USA thank Honda for tall top gears. Fantastic when cruising across SD or KS at 80+. Short top gears suck, i.e. Honda Fit.
@syncro87 -- But this one is NOT tall. Listen to the video. It's high ratio. High revving and buzzy. That's Alex's gripe.
The gearing is fine, he said it does 3000 rpm at 80 mph, I have a 2004 Honda civic si which does 3000 rpm at 60 mph. THATS low gearing.
I have a 2018 Civic Si and I am still really liking it. Handles really well in the corners and the LSD with all the torque from the turbo gives you great feel when you punch it coming out of turns. I am glad my 2018 does not have a lower drive ratio, already approaching 3000 rpm when cruising on the highway going 70-75 mph. As far as oil dilution goes I am in the north east and have not had a problem with that. I change the oil every 3000-5000 miles just to be sure.
Did you compare the SI to anything else when you made your purchase? Are you running regular grade gas or premium? And does your car have a spare tire?
@@t.k.morris This car runs on premium to get peak power. Audi A5, SQ5, BMW X2. Audi A4, Camry TRD, Tesla... it's true fun car. money to fun is excellent and economical on gaz and build for the bad pavement (Texas)
@@victorhl69 do you have a spare tire or a repair kit?
Nice review, Alex. I appreciate you discussing the enjoyment that a manual transmission provides. One of my coworkers, a former automatic driver, currently has a Civic Si and loves it. One thing: sure, many auto and DCT cars are faster than their manual counterparts. Really, though, in day to day driving, where is anyone going to notice a couple of tenths more when accelerating? As such, I feel you over emphasize the faster argument.
I just got my 2020 Honda Civic Si sedan and absolutely love it! My previous car was a 2000 Honda Accord EX (which I bought new also) and having all the safety and tech at such a good price is awesome! I would have gotten the summer tires but then I wouldn't have been able to get modern steel metallic color I wanted. I did buy separate winter tires and rims but since the tpms is linked to the factory rims I just won't have that in the winter. Overall it's a very fun car to drive and hoping to keep it for 20 years also!
How do you get past the no spear tire? everyone gets flats
Si needs the accord 2.0 l vtec turbo option....NOW!
Just add $2000 to the cost.
Why? That sounds so dumb.
@@aviatorsdream4686 Not to those who love the 2.0 liter. like me.
The difference in price and power between the civic si and r is HUGE.
A model right in between the R and si SiR would be easy for Honda to do, and make them more money, many Honda si owners and possible buyers were and still are not excited at all by the 1.5liter fit engine + turbo, as the engine when not in boost is too weak for this car.
Nor it's oil dilution history.
On the other hand the 2.0 liter K series Vtec 2.0 turbo in the Honda accord, can even without turbo power the civic si well.
@@Tigerex966 and run on regular 87 octane gas I believe. (?)
I know this is old but nobody mentioned WHY this is a dumb comment. To add the 2.0T option to the accord it is an over 4k upcharge no matter A/T or M/T option. Now you are in 30k territory for power levels that aren't that much more.
It would be more expensive than that. The body would need to be strengthened and the transmission may not match up. I'm betting it would be closer to the $4000 range for an add-on. For that much added cost, buyers would likely just buy the Accord or something nicer than the Civic.
Would putting the 2.0 L turbo from the Accord (maybe a tune for about 230-240 hp) make it more special? Obviously the Type R has to be the best in Honda’s lineup, but a slight power bump couldn’t hurt.
18:15 if you're concerned about fuel economy then maybe dont get a sport tuned car
The two items that interest me is the transmission and those black wheels.
Agreed. A tall 6th gear is great.
for the HP just flash tune it with Hondata or Ktuner, it's about 700 more but you can find them cheaper sometimes.
Dammit, I don't get why they had to shorten the final gear, which lowers your hwy mpgs. People who wanna drive stick don't mind dropping a gear to pass. I hated that high cruising RPM with my MT Fit and Prelude.
"minor" refresh....this has way more features and looks way better than the 2017 model
One tenth of a second faster isn't worth the extra drone on the highway and worse fuel economy. It seems Honda doesn't quite understand Si buyers. We live to shift so it was never an issue downshifting to pass so their rationale for the change in gearing doesn't make sense. They should have worked on the rev hang and maybe a slightly better tune of the ECU for added performance. Also kind of hate the black wheels. Previous wheels look great.
The newer Acura ILX 2015 and up only have the 8 speed DCT that you like Alex. I wish it did come with the 6 speed manual.
Needs a 2.0 with small turbo at 230-240hp
Much like the Accord engine
@@thisisntsergio1352 which is really a civic engine, this new accord is a civic, and uses civic engines, and the civic gets the most powerful 1.5 and 2.0 liter versions of that engine, and LSD for much better handling.
This is one of the first times that the Honda Accord has no special engine or platform of it's own above the Civic (aside the hybrid, although the insight is really a civic too, as well as the crv).
Which is probably why the civic now outsales it
Hopefully Honda will give the accord something of it's own again like AWD, V6, better looks, smaller size, a coupe again.
Nah, the power is perfect. All the car needs is to lose the rev hang.
BBB T Yes I agree. Although I’m sure I’d love the Si I couldn’t give up the 220 hp and 258 lb ft of torque in my GTI. Any car with a manual is fun to me though. 😀
If you want more power just get a hondata tune and the PRL intake if you want
I'm kind of appalled by the idea that any car could lack a spare tire and somehow be ok. There's a huge difference between having it and not having it when you blow a tire in the highway / in the middle of nowhere.
I wonder how this idea ever came up with car manufacturers? Honda is not the only one and I believe it is just the case with certain models, not all.
I hope they addressed oil dilution problem in their engine .
That would be nice. As well as the other flaws.
The plan is to introduce 0w16 "b" oil in may 2020. The newer recipe of 0w16 will be less likely to be diluted by the gas/petrol. I haven't read anything about adjusting piston rings in these engines but I can't keep up with everything (I'm not as smart as Alex) The oil dilution issues occur mainly in vehicles that aren't driven for enough minutes. Ppl who have Longer run times aren't reporting the dilution issue. I'm not a Honda owner.
Woodstock Dave Nice to see someone educated. Someone got in a comment war over the oil problem on his last Civic video. Lol
@@pbentsonable As a Si owner in Canada, We did get a service bulletin to adjust ECU cold start fuel trims. And having driven with the update through a fairly cold winter last year, for me at least it seemed to have fixed the issue. I assume that all L15 Engines at this point will get the revised tune from the factory at this point.
As for the people affected with the old version, we got a 6 year unlimited mileage power train warranty as a result.
He did. Watch his recent CRV video where Alex talks, in detail, about when and why the oil dilution issue matters, and does not matter. Bottom line: it is not a thing in most use cases.
Kudos Honda!
The best sport compact car just got even better!
Love the new looks and wheels.
Thanks for Honda Sensing it works great!
I’m ok with a better final drive and less mpg.
And I love the fact you only make it in a manual transmission. #savethemanuals
I would love an Si hatch! But I guess we can’t have everything we want. And a hatch Si would cannibalize sales from the Type R or Sport hatch.
The good thing if you don’t want a manual or want better MPG or a better interior- you can always choose another Civic.
For a car with an LSD, heated seats, Honda sensing, adaptive dampers, Apple CarPlay, killer handling and a sunroof all for $25k. I can’t think of a better value. Not to mention reliability and resale value.
HDMI exhaust lol
50/50 chance to plug in the cord incorrectly still lol
Agree with Alex's comment about Honda changing final drive ratio so driver's didn't have to shift to lower gear to pass unnecessary as the fun of driving a stick is being to downshift to pass. Also to differentiate the Si from the other sport Civics the Si needs more horsepower 220 or 230 at least.
The backseat in that civic is bigger than my mothers grand marquis
🤣
Of course, it wasn't available when this video was released. The Kia Forte GT is a much better value. Fully loaded for the same money as Civic Si starting price. Love driving both. Drove my Mom's Si one time, it's a fun car.
Think I'll hold off until the 11th gen Si is released to see what that offers.
Is the shorter final drive truly worth losing the 2mpg in the city and highway cycle? The new ameneties are nice for sure, but I don't really like the wheels, exterior changes, and additional red accents. The Si is still a phenomenal value however.
Just put on econ
Car and Driver did a road test on the 2020 and reported that it was actually .2 of a second slower to 60 mph than the 2019 SI Coupe.
Love the non Metallic red paint!
Manual handbrake please. An extra 50+hp and AWD would be welcome, but manual handbrake is a must on this car and the type R and even the Accord sport 6mt (both trims). It just blows my mind how almost not one reviewer is bothered by this omission on the 10th gen Si
take a shot every time he says “definitely” you’ll be drunk in 2 minutes.
The middle child is good enough for me, not cold but also not hot but there is more than adequate power for most drivers
Does middle child mean the SI model?
Did you buy one?
It'd be about perfect if it didn't require premium fuel.
Put the turbocharged 2.0T from the Accord Sport in the Civic Si (which produces 250HP on regular-grade fuel), change the tranny to better pair with the larger engine, and you've got a winner.
It recommends but does not require..
@@AAutoBuyersGuide Is the Accord 2.0t the same way? Is premium recommended but not required for the Accord?
Does anyone know if the fake noise can be turned off in the menus like in the GTI or Veloster. Would suck if it has to stay on, especially during long highway runs.
Imo the 2019 si is the sweet spot. 2020 went too techy and too heavy on red accents on dash and seats 💺
Shaggy rogers sounds like you’re confused there bud, 2019’s don’t have safety tech or gaudy red accents on dash and seats.
Will they implement dual-injection (DI+MPI) system for L15B7 engine?
I guess this is about the closest we will get to a modern day Prelude... Are you listening Honda?? Bring Back The Prelude...
Honda, don't listen to him, bring back the S2000
Final ratio : finally we are told to buy a 2019 or to wait for a 7 speeds or endure the 2 mpg less .
I’m still on the boat that they need to bump the power. A respectable 230-250 would be enough.
Alex, that camera pan during the drive segment was nice!
True, simply down shifting to pass is a no brainer for most individuals buying the si. 2nd nature to most ppl
Alex, you forgot to mention the 2020 Kia Forte GT that has a 6 speed similar to this Si.
I feel the Kia Forte GT looks awesome with it's 1.6 turbo
But does it have a limited slip diff?
@@BaldKiwi117 When do you really benefit from the limited slip differential?
@@t.k.morris low traction situations or whenever you want? You will feel the difference with spirited driving. It's for fun mostly unless you live in a snowy climate
@@BaldKiwi117 Thank you. Did you buy an SI and what did you compare it to?
I just recently purchased a 2019 Civic Si and Alex reported that the new one give about 30 in the city? Well if it's like the previous year model. I been averaging no more than 29.8 in combine driving HWY/CITY. I have been averaging 27.2 or so living in the Metro ATL area. So, Alex subtracted -2 so about 25.2.
How’s the sound system?
For the price, you cannot do better. It's a great deal. My knit picks against it is the continued horrible Honda wheel design and that it is closer to the regular Civic in terms of performance than the Type R
weird... every since 8th gen introduced sedan Si... sedan is the one always killing it in the styles...
Hello Alex, I wanted to leave some feedback. The turning camera during the driving section, didn't like it. It felt disorienting. Hope you're having a good day.
TheMuljo no keep it it adds to the immersion of the video 😍
Acura does not make a manual ILX anymore.
Just like Cobb Tuning is synonymous with Subaru, you Honda fanboys should take a serious look at Hondata.
With one of their tunes paired with an aftermarket C.A.I. And exhaust, you can be right there in terms of power with a stock WRX.
I love the current Civic and recognize its rear leg room advantages over competitors, but I also drive a 20 year old Toyota Camry that has much more leg room in the back.
I own one of these, and I'm old! I wish Honda would put the Type R drivetrain in this vehicle with a dct and call it the Integra Type R!
just the accords 2.o l vtec would be fine.
It's Vtec time yo
I will put the exhaust from the sports hatchback, hate that HDMI pipe
Is that easy to do? That you can do yourself or even get a custom muffler shop to do?
They need to offer this in a hatchback. I hate they still have the ugly fake vents on the back. The sport hatchback looks a lot better in the rear because the style pieces flow together with the black rear diffuser and real twin exhaust but on this sedan it just looks tacked on. It’s really bad aesthetics.
Great video. 1 minor critique: On your 1-10 scale the type R should be an 11. ;-)
Thank you for keeping the yellow titles with the vehicle below!! Looks fantastic :)
Hi Alex, great review 👌
Question please, I’m a manual transmission novice, need a nimble, fun daily runabout. Trying to decide between Civic sport, Civic Si, & Corolla. Tempted to get the civic Si but concerned about ride quality as I’m not a young man. Any advice you have is much appreciated. thank you.
I am 62 and test drove one today.It was fantastic but not everyone has the same opinion about comfort, among most other things. I have two motorcycles and I drive a semi truck, my current daily driver is a 2006 Mazda3 5sp, so what I find to be comfortable may not be the same for you. I loved the seats, the transmission and the way it handled. I was hoping for a Modern Steel metallic but they only had a black one, which I liked a lot because it mostly hid the ugly fake vents! I also liked the passenger side blind spot camera! And the sun roof. And I am 6ft 1in and fit in the back seat of the 4 door sedan behind my own driving position! And with a hat my head did not hit the roof back there!
out of the sport mode it drive like a regular civic. just engine noise is pretty heavy due to the turbo and the sound enhancer but I love it.
I have the 2019 s i I really really love that car I did the ktuner it helped with rev hang and definitely turbo ramp up it definitely could use a lightweight flywheel I think that would help with rev hang also period. It's a 32-pound dual-mass flywheel from the factory awesome review BTW
How much was the Ktuner and is that a DIY process?
I got a Hondata for my 2020 Si Coupe and disabled the rev hang. The car drives a lot better with it disabled. The lighter flywheel would be nice to get rid of the rest of the rev hang but the Hondata got rid of a lot of it. It's a fun car and the rev hang delete makes it even more fun.
@@riley1733 the tune in general helps but that rev hang is goofy AF i don't miss that shit lol
@@honda116969 I agree with you 100%. I actually enjoy driving that car now. I hated driving it with the rev hang. Made the car so goddamn annoying to drive. The car drives so much better with it disabled.
Hi Alex where is this beautiful Road?
Anybody know if that fake engine noise that plays through the speakers can be disabled?
Great review!
Ilx doesnt come in manual
if Honda's not going to add a dct to the Si then reduce the rev-hang and add auto rev-matching for the newbies to manual. the new cheaper manual corolla have auto rev-matching
Needs to be a hatch too...missing a market there
Won't buy with a dip in mpg VS last year. Makes a huge difference 2mpg. One of the few sporty efficient cars.
Oh, hey. Just came over from Matt Maran's review. Gosh, that Si looks familiar. :D
When I need to pass on the highway, I just put it into 4th or 5th gear. Why would they lower 6th gear; it’s literally the slowest gear to pass someone in.
Did they fix the 1.5T engine issues?
Anyone to help with this question?
The Honda Sensing isn’t on the badge because they know that people will be replacing the badges with the red Type R badges. Claps Honda, claps. 👏🏽
They lost me at no spare and digitally augmented engine noise...I’ll stick with my 2017 Sport Touring.
When the GTI got an automatic sales exploded. They are so stupid for still not offering one.
Same thing happened with the BMW 3 series... And now its selling so well, They won't even offer a manual in North America.
To me, the Si really isn't all too different from a regular civic...If you want an "Auto Si" just buy some aftermarket tires on the regular version, or spend a little bit more and get an ilx. Sales don't need to "explode" for an Si because it's just a variant of the Civic, which is doing fine.
Si can’t be a sedan only a coupe don’t at me
As always you are the best by far , you make it look good , I think Honda’s are the ugliest of all cars , not to mention reliability ,
It's still great deal
As good as this gen Civic is, I've never warmed up to the looks. Honda is capable of very good styling, but unfortunately, this isn't one of the better examples of it. Fingers crossed, next gen is better. At least this one lost that weird 2 level instrument cluster from the last one.
Love it 😍
Honda need to fire the designer .
I love the look of the Type R looks so badass 😍
What about oil dilution?
Fixed a long time ago
Very awesome
Wish they would do a dual clutch auto or some form of automatic on the si like all the cars it competes with do. I like the looks over the regular Civic.
Honda has a DCT that they use in a couple of Acura products. I wish they’d adapt it into some of their mainstream performance products
I disagree. It would allow the Si to appeal to more buyers, but I think it would lose something. Honda is staying true to the 6MT by not offering their performance models in automatic. With manuals already going away in favor of CVTs, DCTs, or 8+ speed automatic transmissions, I think honda is doing us right by keeping the 6MT around.
thank god Honda is sticking with a manual! literally 95% of other vehicles are autos.
The front end is nicer then Honda Accord .
Because thats honda accord amazing headlights
Yeah, no. Oil dilution problem is a big concern.
Every car have issue. I would not worry about 2020 model because this engine has been around for awhile. And Honda has build so many unit...
i like the new LED lights unfortunately the center exhaust kills it for me, unless someone makes a trailer hitch for it?
needs a 7th gear on the hwy
Needs a DCT.
nope.