@ The reason as to why is due to the fact that it’s both hard to get the direct sizing, and weight for these guys including the Dalamadur, or the other Zorah who makes up half of the guiding lands we have to just use the OG size, and multiply by a certain number, due to there being no estimates at the moment, and also he was incorrect with some things but I wouldn’t blame him for this neither due to everyone making mistakes, making him both right and wrong, it all depends on prospective, like how the closest estimate I can make to the actual size of that Dalamadur in the vail to be 36 thousand feet.
A note: in the frozen islands in Monster hunter Rise, there's another zorah magdaros skull. I have no idea if it's any bigger than the guiding lands skeleton. Skeletons are often comically large in this universe.
Yep, such as Lao Shan Lung skull which used as a makeshift shell on Shen Gaoren's back. Or the skull of both Gravios & Monoblos on the back of Shogun Cenataur & Daimyo Hermitaur respectively are twice the size of the average head size of their living counterpart. Not to mention, the living Zorah that we encounter back in MH World is already confirmed to be a very old individual and close to dying. Yet its skull is not as big as the one found in Guiding Lands nor Frozen Islands. The franchise never give us a straight confirmation if these giant elder dragons can potentially grow to reach gargantuan size or not, despite have been running for so long.
Well now I want a locale that *is* a monster, one so massive it has an entire ecosystem living on it. Maybe it could be mobile and travels across the world, and as it moves the ecosystem changes according to where it is.
That is basically the giant old Zorah Magdaros, we had in the Story of World. If Zorah wasn't a walking volcano and simply just grew the mountain without lava, it would be a wandering biom.
I wish we had more data on the giant mystery skeleton in the 4U primal forest. Also it would be cool to calculate the size of the deceased Gravios, Glavenus, Diablos, Monoblos, Lao Shan Lung and Akantor, whose skulls can be found on the crab monsters. They are often much bigger than the skulls of even living Gold Crown specimens. For the maximum skull size, you could either go for the maximum gold crown crabs, or maybe the deviants. I remember that the Daimyo deviant was insanely huge and had a massive Monoblos skull. But the largest Diablos skull would still be found on the largest gold crown Plum Daimyo. The biggest Akantor skull can be found on the Gaoren Variant/Relatives in MH Online. It would be cool to compare all those skulls with average sized living monsters, largest Gold Crowns, smallest Gold Crowns and Deviants.
Yoooo! I remember! The ribcage was SO HUGE there were birds flying and stuff And then the giant skeleton on the mountain with the lightning that also kinda looked like Dalamadur imo If you looked at it from up the mountain it did kinda look like it
Yes, but it's not indicative. Most Online and Frontier monsters are bullshit designs when it comes to MH standards, they shouldn't be considered canon; Laviente is one of the few exceptions, but Dala could ultimetly still end up being bigger when they decide to bring Lavi in mainline. Dala actual in game size was limited by the 3DS' software, and the skeletons in the Rotten Vale are kilometers long... so peraphs we've only fought juvaniles so far.
@@AristasTheMonsterHunter again with the juvenile dala theory. The official MH world artbook has revealed the rotten vale elder drgn is entirely i different species, perhaps an ancient relative
There’s another Zorah Magdaros skeleton in the Frost Islands, there’s even a whole story about got it got there in the notes scattered around the map. That being said, I’m pretty sure it’s significantly smaller than the Guiding Lands specimen. Also, the skeleton that makes up the Primal Forest’s area 5 is probably the actual biggest monster in the franchise, but unfortunately we don’t really have any way of knowing what it looked like when alive, so any measurements would be very conjectural.
@@kingofflames738it has to at least be somewhat related There's enough to defer it from being a dalamadur, but too similar to be a totally different species
@@HardcoreMonsterFan I don't completely remember but I believe you could find it either in a wall or at the end of one of the areas. Although I may be misremembering it as another monster skeleton but I'm pretty sure you could find the skull in the background of somewhere
never seen someone take off zoras shell but i did know according to a lore book that it had a seperate set of limbs on it's back that presumably were wings at some point i just didn't know they modeled it
You can actually see a bit of them in game. The wings are actually used to manipulate the shell on its back. That's how it carries it. It's really cool actually.
@@davyjones5068 what does that even mean? Zorah is a bad fight to the point it’s literally faster to just ignore it to get to the third phase to actual repel it it’s a badly designed fight simple as.
Hunting them would be such a pain I’m actually happy that monster hunter made their monsters large enough to look unbeatable but small enough to fit in their fictional world.
There is one very interesting thing about Zorah Magdaros. His model includes more than 10 materials and 50 texture images (4K). In comparison, Laviente has 2 material and 5 texture images. This is how detailed Zorah Magdaros is
@@dragonboy5019 be thankful we don't have to? I itch for hunts like that. I think it would be so coo to hunt an ancient monster that requires a lobby to ban together cause it's a monstrosity from the old world. Better yet I'd love to hunt one of the ancient dragon machines the guild created using body parts of monsters. Some old tech that was abandoned and was reactivated, creating mayhem. That would be an amazing urgent request.
All I got out of this video : - Lots of work to get a point across. (gj btw) - Bigger is different than bigger is different than bigger. The word 'largest' or 'bigger' can work for weigh, height, length or an amalgam of the previous X) So the answers varies depending.
Finally someone that understands how mass works 👏. This was really interesting you should do a video on the various weights of monster hunter flaghsips or something like that. Dalamadur is only arguably the biggest if you count dead Skeletons in the background of two maps, the Rotten Vale and the Primal Forest and even then you can still give arguments to debunk that... The size of the Primal forest skeleton could imply the fight we had against the 440 meter specimen was a baby Dalamadur... but the skeleton is fairly different in proportions and shape so it could also simply be an extinct species that perhaps served as an ancestor to both Dalamadur and Laviente. In the Rotten vale there are actually 2 or 3 seperate skulls you can find around the map so it is actually a mass graveyard of specimens as opposed to a single multiple kilometers long specimen, though the skull seems to be a little bit bigger and differently shaped so perhaps they weren't Dalamadurs as you suggest in the video. (Btw you could stand on old Dalas head when you hunted it and this things head isn't much bigger so it definitely isn't 6 times the size of 4us Dalamadur it just has its mouth open so its skull seems a lot bigger, id say its double the length of Dala at most) Finally we can also fight the Shah (King) Dalamadur at roughly the same size as regular Dala in mh4u... So if the so called "King" of the Dalamadur species is only slightly larger I dont see Dalamadurs being able to grow into several kilometer long monsters and thus will never out mass Zorah.
It is really 6x bigger. I measured it in 3D with a god-view perspective. You may think it's only two times bigger because you are standing on the ground and looking up. A 3D model really provides the most accurate result.
@HardcoreMonsterFan fair enough; it's just ludicrously big and doesn't appear to be nearly 6x times as large from the characters perspective. At that size the ancient serpents were likely the world's undisputed Apex predator, evolving to hunt other supermassive creatures in ancient times. They probably went extinct due to climate change or starvation from lack of large prey items.
Holy shit. The moment he decided to scale up the Rotten Vale monster I was like. WTF 6 times? DAMN that snake boy was fucking gigantic no wonder he literally created the entire rotten vale.
We can approximate Zorah Magdaros as a rectangular prism or a cylinder since its body shape is somewhat elongated. The formula for the volume of a rectangular prism is: V = L \times W \times H Where: • L = Length of Zorah Magdaros (estimated to be about 250 meters) • W = Width of Zorah Magdaros (estimated to be about 80 meters) • H = Height of Zorah Magdaros (estimated to be about 100 meters) V = 250 \, \text{m} \times 80 \, \text{m} \times 100 \, \text{m} V = 2,000,000 \, \text{m}^3 To calculate weight, we need the density ( ho ) of Zorah Magdaros’ materials. Its outer shell resembles volcanic rock, which has a density of approximately:
ho_{\text{rock}} = 2,500 \, \text{kg/m}^3 \, \text{to} \, 3,000 \, \text{kg/m}^3 To calculate the mass, use the equation: M = ho \times V Using the average density of 2,750 kg/m³ (the midpoint of volcanic rock density) and the previously calculated volume ( V = 2,000,000 \, \text{m}^3 ): M = 2,750 \, \text{kg/m}^3 \times 2,000,000 \, \text{m}^3 M = 5,500,000,000 \, \text{kg} Convert kilograms to metric tons (1 metric ton = 1,000 kg): M = \frac{5,500,000,000 \, \text{kg}}{1,000} M = 5,500,000 \, \text{metric tons} The body of Zorah Magdaros is not purely rock; it also contains biological tissue (muscles, bones, and molten-like organs). For biological creatures, the density of internal tissues can be approximated at about 1,050 kg/m³ (slightly higher than water’s density). Assuming the body makes up 40% of the total volume, its internal volume is: V_{\text{internal}} = 0.4 \times 2,000,000 \, \text{m}^3 = 800,000 \, \text{m}^3 Calculating the mass of the internal body: M_{\text{internal}} = 1,050 \, \text{kg/m}^3 \times 800,000 \, \text{m}^3 M_{\text{internal}} = 840,000,000 \, \text{kg} Converting to metric tons: M_{\text{internal}} = \frac{840,000,000 \, \text{kg}}{1,000} = 840,000 \, \text{metric tons} Add the mass of the outer shell and the internal body: M_{\text{total}} = 5,500,000 \, \text{metric tons} + 840,000 \, \text{metric tons} M_{\text{total}} = 6,340,000 \, \text{metric tons}
seeing a showcase around this size reminds me of a manhwa named "her summon", it's a fantasy world with behemoths that's probably rival or towers above ancient dalamadur, i'm really interested with a story of how those world's inhabitant live alongside those giants
Thank you for the video. Something about giant creature size comparisons are just always fascinating to me. The dragons/drakes/ titans in elden ring. The monster verse. Star wars, Etc. Just always interesting to see.
Impressive, nice work! I was just thinking, but the giant skeleton in MH4 Primal Forest may be a match for both biggest and longest monster. Also, Lao-Shan Lung scaled on Shen Gaoren's skull (or the Lao frozen in ice in the Polar Sea from Frontier) may be as big (in volume) as the Zorah we fought in World
The skeleton in MH4 is just a ribcage, making it really hard to determine which monster it is. (Fans consider it to be Lao-Shan Lung due to its size, but there's no skull or something special to confirm which monster it actually is.)
@@HardcoreMonsterFanthere is a skull that you can see from area 8. The colossal serpent that you can see from multiple areas and are underneath in area 8 could potentially be bigger.
I would love seeing another similar video scaling up the models to the differents skeletons we see in the games, like the zorah skull in the guiding lands, or the dalamadur skeleton in the vale
@@JunDageki Unknown monster that we don't even know of what it look like. Of which not even the Devs gave some adress to it, unlike the Rotten Vale remains which in universe is speculated to be either from a Dalamadur with abnormal size or Ancient relative of the elder dragon.
@@meremsolomon4744 I think what you are trying to say is that we have unreliable information and that is fair. Although you can still make a hypothesis on it just like the ancient dalamadur where only the skull area was used. Quite frankly I don’t even know or remember what skeleton are we talking about lmao, but if it exists and it’s potentially bigger it would have been nice for it to be addressed, I find it fascinating.
Now so far the Zorah sitting on the Throne as the biggest 'living' Monster on MH franchise. waiting Wilds if they gonna give us another "SuperSizeMe" Monster to take the throne from Zorah ~
Ppl forget there's 2 huge dala's in The rotten vale and you can get the size from the skull and vert that are shown, and both seem to be from 1-2miles in length. Making the old dala's much longer than any live monster shown in the series
@@angerskarin9222 Fun Fact: Megalodon is actually more closely related to the sand tiger shark than it is the great white IIRC. The whole "Meg is basically just a big great white" thing is a misconception that has unfortunately been heavily propagated by mainstream media. Funnier Fact: It's also theorized to have been an absolute chonker (at least by shark standards) given it ate pretty much nothing but fat-filled whales. Because of this information, the mental image of fat megalodon has haunted me for the past handful of years.
@@emperortethysusdacertified8175 Yes, Megalodon look nothing like great white but media think using great white name will sell more thus creating a giant misconception.
@@emperortethysusdacertified8175 just like how American think their bald eagle sound cool but in reality, it's sound so stupid they had to use redtail hawk sound to make it cool to not hurting American ego and pride
I have just one question about this: how the hell did the Guiding Lands Zorah grow that large? It couldn’t have been just age, because the one we fight was already at the end of its lifespan. It was on a final march to its own grave. So where did the Guiding Lands Zorah find a super shroom?
I'm curious about how much bigger the Lao-Shan Lung is whose skull is at the bottom of the Vale. Compared to the size of the one in MH1. A lot of people mistake it for a Zorah, but it's got the signature nose horn (Just a bit of it visible but there. Which differentiates it) and jaw sides.
That's also a Dalamadur. That's not a horn. That's the blade stuffs of Dalamadur. The boulders cover it. And the Jaw is seriously damaged. It also has Dalamadur blades. You can check it with 3D max/Blender 3D. It is basically smaller version of the upper level skull. The map also shows you the buttom skull. Just switch the page to the buttom map and look closely to the area. It doesn't look like Lao Shan Lung at all.
If... the skull of Lao Shan Lung in Shen Gaoren can be measured the probability is that Lao Shan Lung's Ancestor is almost as big as Zorah Magdaros. Shen Gaoren itself in the other hand, ain't that big.
@BeefBacon8 imagine that, if lao-shan lung's oldest skull found at monster hunter wilds..like area of oil right? and yes, Shen Gaoren aren't that yet. what if Shen Gaoren version of seafloor...which bigger ever. well...monster hunter's ocean is unknown. Its large creature wasn't discovered, right?
Skyblade Drgnsphire: A gem to reforge the world: from blood, the sea; flesh, the land; bone, the wood. This is the item description from the rarest carve item of Dalamadur. No wonder the dead carcass will turn into a whole map by itself.
What a shock, a gorilla has more mass than a snake. I feel bad that this video was even necessary, but I appreciate your math. You kept the receipts. The only thing I would nitpick is calling the Rotten Vale skull "ancestor Dalamandur," because as you yourself state, we don't really know WHAT it was. But for lack of a good name to call it, that does suffice.
There are a Dalamadur's skull in Vaal Hazak's den and I also found a Dalamadur's spine in the rotten region of Guiding Lands.(The entance of area 12 is actually a Dalamadur's spine) Also there is a Zorah's shell in Lava Region of the guiding lands. Moreover there is a Narwa's skeleton in the lave cave of MHRise and a Zorah like skull in forest island. Would you make a video of them? I really want to know their size. I love your videos.
@aiba7604 Lao isn't THAT big tho. Could be a similar species, in that it's a mountain dragon. It likely outweighs Zorah Magdoros by quite a bit if I'm remembering the size of the ribcage correctly. Probably just perspective, but that thing looks fun.
@@HaloDJumper Sorry mb, the ancestral steppe has no huge skeleton. If you mean the Primal Forest, that HUGE skeleton in area 5, well, that monster is not known.
Good video, but I gotta say "Dalamudr's Ancestor" is just the adult version. The confirmed 440 meter Dalamdur is a juvenile. So the "modern" one is a child and the "ancestor", as you've called it, is fully grown (Adult/elder).
Ancient creature skeletons that are larger than comprehension are one of my favorite genders. Thanks a lot, gargantuan leviathan from Subnautica and ancient hollow earth titan from godzilla x kong
If the Ancestor of Dalamadur is that big, then it's scary to think about what it eat... since Snakes swallows their prey whole, If the Ancestor Dalamadur hunts and eat like a normal snake, then Imagine how big the "prey" would be...
@HardcoreMonsterFan giant skulls near elder dragon greyoll. you can see them in both dragon barrow an mountaintops. you can find them by googling easily
2:28 If you use Meters only use 2 decimal units, because otherwise it looks like Thousands not Hundreds. In this case it should be "440.39 mts" not "440.397 mts"
Yeah, I forgot about this skull, but it's definitely not bigger than Dalamadur's Ancestor. Once the Wild comes out, we will see if there are any more giants. I might remake another video.
You mean The Guiding Lands Zorah skull? That's not the same one. The Zorah skull is clearly 2 times larger the Zorah that we fight. According to the Iceborne artbook/lorebook, it is another Zorah that died in TGL very long time ago(before any human arrive to new world).
the zorah we fight was going to die, so it was traveling into the everstream to release the energy and wipe the ecosystem to create a new one. i think the ancestors were much larger but they had to become smaller to actually move around the world. just my theory.
not trying to disprove your take but isn't the zorah we fight in world dying of old age? so it'd mean that even if it's not fully grown, it couldn't have lived long enough to get to size of the one in the frost islands anyways :x
Closest possible explanation that I can think of, is that even the giant elder dragons have Large Gold Crown & Mini Gold Crown size measurement applied to them just like regular monsters does. They can be smaller or larger than what their average size range is, but still considered to reach adulthood. The Main Problem is, it will pose an even bigger question. Does the living Dalamadur or Zorah individuals that we encounter are Mini Gold Crowns or already Large Gold Crowns?
source? Even if it was a juvenile that doesn't mean it would grow much larger than what we fight, consider that humans are technically still juveniles until we reach about 21 years of age but you don't grow that much after 16
Two dalamadurs actually cause we see a second skull in the lower regions of the rotten vale where its near the area where Val Hazak rests at@itapproaches3484
It’s been stated that the ones in the Vale are likely an extinct relative. Can you show me where you got that the Dalamadur that was fought in 4 is a juvenile?
@@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform Care to share where is it stated that the carcass in the Rotten vale is a supposedly extinct species ? Because I don’t recall anything nor anyone saying that, despite replaying the game for the third time.
Holup! Theres an even larger Zorah Magdaros skull in Rise’s Frost Islands. Its that “small rosk formation” in the central area of that map. It may be time for a redo :3
The skull in Frost Islands is relatively small, possibly because the maps in Rise are generally smaller than those in World. The only monster I am missing is the Lao Shan Lung, whose skull is used by Shen Gaoren. ( Lao Shan Lung we fight is no where this big, but this skull is different) The skull definitely cannot be as big as the "Ancient Snake" and most likely cannot compare in volume with the "Snap Turtle", but it is definitely bigger than others.
My man is so annoyed people called him wrong, he made an entire video to prove it.
And damn well he did
@@mazin_iq1499ong but I won’t say he’s wrong nor will I say he’s right.
@@Am-i-really-me why tho ?
@ sorry wasn’t here for a while. But lemme answer that
@ The reason as to why is due to the fact that it’s both hard to get the direct sizing, and weight for these guys including the Dalamadur, or the other Zorah who makes up half of the guiding lands we have to just use the OG size, and multiply by a certain number, due to there being no estimates at the moment, and also he was incorrect with some things but I wouldn’t blame him for this neither due to everyone making mistakes, making him both right and wrong, it all depends on prospective, like how the closest estimate I can make to the actual size of that Dalamadur in the vail to be 36 thousand feet.
Imagine spinning down the ancient Dalamadur with your dual blades. By the time you're finished, the quest timer has run out
It would take 3 to 5 business days
A note: in the frozen islands in Monster hunter Rise, there's another zorah magdaros skull. I have no idea if it's any bigger than the guiding lands skeleton.
Skeletons are often comically large in this universe.
Yep, such as Lao Shan Lung skull which used as a makeshift shell on Shen Gaoren's back.
Or the skull of both Gravios & Monoblos on the back of Shogun Cenataur & Daimyo Hermitaur respectively are twice the size of the average head size of their living counterpart.
Not to mention, the living Zorah that we encounter back in MH World is already confirmed to be a very old individual and close to dying. Yet its skull is not as big as the one found in Guiding Lands nor Frozen Islands.
The franchise never give us a straight confirmation if these giant elder dragons can potentially grow to reach gargantuan size or not, despite have been running for so long.
It isn’t a Zorah magdaros.
@@nothinggrand3805 then what is it? The skull is identical.
The skull in Frost Island is smaller than the skull in Guilding Lands. I checked it but did not mention it. I think the video is confusing enough.
@@HardcoreMonsterFan gotcha
Measurements in meters!
You have no idea how much I appreciate you doing that.
and then immediately lost appreciation when they said 2347 million instead of just 2.3 billion
1,476.378 feet
1,444.882 feet
845.2756 feet
8,667.979 feet
1,945.538 feet
Well now I want a locale that *is* a monster, one so massive it has an entire ecosystem living on it. Maybe it could be mobile and travels across the world, and as it moves the ecosystem changes according to where it is.
A fully grown zorah Magdaros maybe
That is basically the giant old Zorah Magdaros, we had in the Story of World.
If Zorah wasn't a walking volcano and simply just grew the mountain without lava, it would be a wandering biom.
maybe a zorah that cooled off in the ocean and became a moving island.
Aren't the Guiding Lands just the Zorah from World's story?
The rotten veil in mhw is literally a dalamundur carcass
This video helps me prove to myself that the rotten vale is the coolest map idea in the monster hunter franchise
The first time I went there I was like
This is so disgusting
AND SO FUCKING COOL
I wish we had more data on the giant mystery skeleton in the 4U primal forest.
Also it would be cool to calculate the size of the deceased Gravios, Glavenus, Diablos, Monoblos, Lao Shan Lung and Akantor, whose skulls can be found on the crab monsters.
They are often much bigger than the skulls of even living Gold Crown specimens.
For the maximum skull size, you could either go for the maximum gold crown crabs, or maybe the deviants.
I remember that the Daimyo deviant was insanely huge and had a massive Monoblos skull.
But the largest Diablos skull would still be found on the largest gold crown Plum Daimyo.
The biggest Akantor skull can be found on the Gaoren Variant/Relatives in MH Online.
It would be cool to compare all those skulls with average sized living monsters, largest Gold Crowns, smallest Gold Crowns and Deviants.
Yoooo! I remember! The ribcage was SO HUGE there were birds flying and stuff
And then the giant skeleton on the mountain with the lightning that also kinda looked like Dalamadur imo
If you looked at it from up the mountain it did kinda look like it
This channel is very underrated considering its top of the art 3D modeling. Hats off to you, and thanks for the video.
Thank you so much 😀
I'm just glad someone actually realizes that raivinte is larger than dara
Yes, but it's not indicative. Most Online and Frontier monsters are bullshit designs when it comes to MH standards, they shouldn't be considered canon; Laviente is one of the few exceptions, but Dala could ultimetly still end up being bigger when they decide to bring Lavi in mainline. Dala actual in game size was limited by the 3DS' software, and the skeletons in the Rotten Vale are kilometers long... so peraphs we've only fought juvaniles so far.
@@AristasTheMonsterHunter again with the juvenile dala theory. The official MH world artbook has revealed the rotten vale elder drgn is entirely i different species, perhaps an ancient relative
Why doe people keep spelling laviente like raviente
@@dragonmaster6982 in japanese, pronouncing "r" is phonetically same with saying "l". So its interchangeable when spelling.
@ yes, but as far as I know the English name starts with an L so it would make no sense to spell it like that unless you were saying the Japanese name
There’s another Zorah Magdaros skeleton in the Frost Islands, there’s even a whole story about got it got there in the notes scattered around the map. That being said, I’m pretty sure it’s significantly smaller than the Guiding Lands specimen.
Also, the skeleton that makes up the Primal Forest’s area 5 is probably the actual biggest monster in the franchise, but unfortunately we don’t really have any way of knowing what it looked like when alive, so any measurements would be very conjectural.
Damn that Ancient Dalamadur is a true beast.
And we canonically don't even know if it is a Dalamadur
@@kingofflames738it has to at least be somewhat related
There's enough to defer it from being a dalamadur, but too similar to be a totally different species
Love this channel so much when I feel like nerding out to mh stats lmao
If I remember correct i'm fairly certain the Guiding lands was made out of two zorah magdaros, than just one since you could find two different skulls
Oh, where is the second skull ? I only know one
@@HardcoreMonsterFan I don't completely remember but I believe you could find it either in a wall or at the end of one of the areas. Although I may be misremembering it as another monster skeleton but I'm pretty sure you could find the skull in the background of somewhere
@@DarkChibiWeebie thats the rotten veil, theres a second, smaller dalamadur skull in the lower vale right by the entrance to vaal's lair
@@Bazel_The_Bombardier I'm aware of that but I wasn't mixing that skull up with the guiding lands one
My guess is its either on the volcanic region or the Arctic region or maybe somewhere in the forest
I'm just picturing spinning down Laviente's back with my dual blades! That must be so satisfying!
never seen someone take off zoras shell but i did know according to a lore book that it had a seperate set of limbs on it's back that presumably were wings at some point i just didn't know they modeled it
You can actually see a bit of them in game. The wings are actually used to manipulate the shell on its back. That's how it carries it. It's really cool actually.
Now do a video sbout safi'jiiva model
I believe people are pissed at Zora being the biggest because they think his fight sucks and can't accept the fact the crown goes to that poser.
Zorah is the 3rd most boring fight in MH
@@General..Grievous it's a gimmick fight ffs
@@davyjones5068yeah a bad gimmick fight
@@aidenbrenneman2302 go play soulsgame then
@@davyjones5068 what does that even mean? Zorah is a bad fight to the point it’s literally faster to just ignore it to get to the third phase to actual repel it it’s a badly designed fight simple as.
Hunting them would be such a pain I’m actually happy that monster hunter made their monsters large enough to look unbeatable but small enough to fit in their fictional world.
Cool video. Hopefully something really big will be in Wilds!
Man
Now those are hunts I'd like to try out.
Get the whole lobby together to take them on
Yeah, be thankful. We don’t have to fight that.
imagine your pc had to load in the entire monster, you'd be doing a bluescreen any% TAS speedrun lol
There is one very interesting thing about Zorah Magdaros. His model includes more than 10 materials and 50 texture images (4K). In comparison, Laviente has 2 material and 5 texture images.
This is how detailed Zorah Magdaros is
@@dragonboy5019 be thankful we don't have to?
I itch for hunts like that.
I think it would be so coo to hunt an ancient monster that requires a lobby to ban together cause it's a monstrosity from the old world.
Better yet I'd love to hunt one of the ancient dragon machines the guild created using body parts of monsters.
Some old tech that was abandoned and was reactivated, creating mayhem. That would be an amazing urgent request.
@@HardcoreMonsterFan probably because of how he has a moving platform on his back that we can walk on.
All I got out of this video :
- Lots of work to get a point across. (gj btw)
- Bigger is different than bigger is different than bigger. The word 'largest' or 'bigger' can work for weigh, height, length or an amalgam of the previous X)
So the answers varies depending.
Finally someone that understands how mass works 👏.
This was really interesting you should do a video on the various weights of monster hunter flaghsips or something like that.
Dalamadur is only arguably the biggest if you count dead Skeletons in the background of two maps, the Rotten Vale and the Primal Forest and even then you can still give arguments to debunk that...
The size of the Primal forest skeleton could imply the fight we had against the 440 meter specimen was a baby Dalamadur... but the skeleton is fairly different in proportions and shape so it could also simply be an extinct species that perhaps served as an ancestor to both Dalamadur and Laviente.
In the Rotten vale there are actually 2 or 3 seperate skulls you can find around the map so it is actually a mass graveyard of specimens as opposed to a single multiple kilometers long specimen, though the skull seems to be a little bit bigger and differently shaped so perhaps they weren't Dalamadurs as you suggest in the video.
(Btw you could stand on old Dalas head when you hunted it and this things head isn't much bigger so it definitely isn't 6 times the size of 4us Dalamadur it just has its mouth open so its skull seems a lot bigger, id say its double the length of Dala at most)
Finally we can also fight the Shah (King) Dalamadur at roughly the same size as regular Dala in mh4u...
So if the so called "King" of the Dalamadur species is only slightly larger I dont see Dalamadurs being able to grow into several kilometer long monsters and thus will never out mass Zorah.
It is really 6x bigger. I measured it in 3D with a god-view perspective. You may think it's only two times bigger because you are standing on the ground and looking up. A 3D model really provides the most accurate result.
@HardcoreMonsterFan fair enough; it's just ludicrously big and doesn't appear to be nearly 6x times as large from the characters perspective.
At that size the ancient serpents were likely the world's undisputed Apex predator, evolving to hunt other supermassive creatures in ancient times.
They probably went extinct due to climate change or starvation from lack of large prey items.
You deserve more viewers, cool video!!
I appreciate that!
This is so cool to watch! I would love to see a size comparison between the two dead monsters and the hunter!
Holy shit. The moment he decided to scale up the Rotten Vale monster I was like. WTF 6 times? DAMN that snake boy was fucking gigantic no wonder he literally created the entire rotten vale.
We can approximate Zorah Magdaros as a rectangular prism or a cylinder since its body shape is somewhat elongated. The formula for the volume of a rectangular prism is:
V = L \times W \times H
Where:
• L = Length of Zorah Magdaros (estimated to be about 250 meters)
• W = Width of Zorah Magdaros (estimated to be about 80 meters)
• H = Height of Zorah Magdaros (estimated to be about 100 meters)
V = 250 \, \text{m} \times 80 \, \text{m} \times 100 \, \text{m}
V = 2,000,000 \, \text{m}^3
To calculate weight, we need the density (
ho ) of Zorah Magdaros’ materials. Its outer shell resembles volcanic rock, which has a density of approximately:
ho_{\text{rock}} = 2,500 \, \text{kg/m}^3 \, \text{to} \, 3,000 \, \text{kg/m}^3
To calculate the mass, use the equation:
M =
ho \times V
Using the average density of 2,750 kg/m³ (the midpoint of volcanic rock density) and the previously calculated volume ( V = 2,000,000 \, \text{m}^3 ):
M = 2,750 \, \text{kg/m}^3 \times 2,000,000 \, \text{m}^3
M = 5,500,000,000 \, \text{kg}
Convert kilograms to metric tons (1 metric ton = 1,000 kg):
M = \frac{5,500,000,000 \, \text{kg}}{1,000}
M = 5,500,000 \, \text{metric tons}
The body of Zorah Magdaros is not purely rock; it also contains biological tissue (muscles, bones, and molten-like organs). For biological creatures, the density of internal tissues can be approximated at about 1,050 kg/m³ (slightly higher than water’s density).
Assuming the body makes up 40% of the total volume, its internal volume is:
V_{\text{internal}} = 0.4 \times 2,000,000 \, \text{m}^3 = 800,000 \, \text{m}^3
Calculating the mass of the internal body:
M_{\text{internal}} = 1,050 \, \text{kg/m}^3 \times 800,000 \, \text{m}^3
M_{\text{internal}} = 840,000,000 \, \text{kg}
Converting to metric tons:
M_{\text{internal}} = \frac{840,000,000 \, \text{kg}}{1,000} = 840,000 \, \text{metric tons}
Add the mass of the outer shell and the internal body:
M_{\text{total}} = 5,500,000 \, \text{metric tons} + 840,000 \, \text{metric tons}
M_{\text{total}} = 6,340,000 \, \text{metric tons}
thanks for the video man 🙌
seeing a showcase around this size reminds me of a manhwa named "her summon", it's a fantasy world with behemoths that's probably rival or towers above ancient dalamadur, i'm really interested with a story of how those world's inhabitant live alongside those giants
Thank you for the video.
Something about giant creature size comparisons are just always fascinating to me.
The dragons/drakes/ titans in elden ring.
The monster verse. Star wars, Etc.
Just always interesting to see.
I agree, they are fascinating and always fun to look at! I will make more videos like this in the future.
Thank you for making this video. Very cool and informative
My pleasure!
Impressive, nice work!
I was just thinking, but the giant skeleton in MH4 Primal Forest may be a match for both biggest and longest monster. Also, Lao-Shan Lung scaled on Shen Gaoren's skull (or the Lao frozen in ice in the Polar Sea from Frontier) may be as big (in volume) as the Zorah we fought in World
The skeleton in MH4 is just a ribcage, making it really hard to determine which monster it is. (Fans consider it to be Lao-Shan Lung due to its size, but there's no skull or something special to confirm which monster it actually is.)
@@HardcoreMonsterFanthere is a skull that you can see from area 8. The colossal serpent that you can see from multiple areas and are underneath in area 8 could potentially be bigger.
Oh i'm not the only to remember the Primal Forest one
this one would shatter records
This is some good in-depth video 👍
Appreciate it!
I would love seeing another similar video scaling up the models to the differents skeletons we see in the games, like the zorah skull in the guiding lands, or the dalamadur skeleton in the vale
I wouldn't use mammals as a way of figuring out weight for reptiles.
Also, Titanoboa is not an ancestor of the anaconda.
So we all gonna forget the Primal Forest area 5 skeleton of an unidentified monster?
Does not count because well, it's unidentified. Why pick Unknown bones of a large monster when we have much better options anyway?
It was probably a Dalamadur or perhaps an extinct ancestor of both Dalamadur and Laviente.
@@meremsolomon4744unidentified or not it’s still a monster that exists/existed in Monster Hunter universe and that’s kind of the point of the video.
@@JunDageki Unknown monster that we don't even know of what it look like. Of which not even the Devs gave some adress to it, unlike the Rotten Vale remains which in universe is speculated to be either from a Dalamadur with abnormal size or Ancient relative of the elder dragon.
@@meremsolomon4744 I think what you are trying to say is that we have unreliable information and that is fair. Although you can still make a hypothesis on it just like the ancient dalamadur where only the skull area was used. Quite frankly I don’t even know or remember what skeleton are we talking about lmao, but if it exists and it’s potentially bigger it would have been nice for it to be addressed, I find it fascinating.
Think about facing the 2 most biggest monsters in monster hunter, it be insane.
like an ant trying to kill an elephant.
Now so far the Zorah sitting on the Throne as the biggest 'living' Monster on MH franchise.
waiting Wilds if they gonna give us another "SuperSizeMe" Monster to take the throne from Zorah ~
Dalamadur is the only monster that currently has those blades on its body. My guess is that it was a particularly ancient variant of one.
Ppl forget there's 2 huge dala's in The rotten vale and you can get the size from the skull and vert that are shown, and both seem to be from 1-2miles in length. Making the old dala's much longer than any live monster shown in the series
The problem is we dont know if its how big they use to be and got smaller, kinda like how megalodon and great white are the same but smaller.
@@angerskarin9222 Fun Fact: Megalodon is actually more closely related to the sand tiger shark than it is the great white IIRC. The whole "Meg is basically just a big great white" thing is a misconception that has unfortunately been heavily propagated by mainstream media.
Funnier Fact: It's also theorized to have been an absolute chonker (at least by shark standards) given it ate pretty much nothing but fat-filled whales. Because of this information, the mental image of fat megalodon has haunted me for the past handful of years.
Noticed your username. You doing alright, Chief?
@@emperortethysusdacertified8175 Yes, Megalodon look nothing like great white but media think using great white name will sell more thus creating a giant misconception.
@@emperortethysusdacertified8175 just like how American think their bald eagle sound cool but in reality, it's sound so stupid they had to use redtail hawk sound to make it cool to not hurting American ego and pride
If im not mistaken, i think in lore or something the dalamadur we fight is an adolescent at 440, but a fully grown ones can grow to be around 1000
I need a comparison between the ancestor Dalamadur and the gargantuan leviathan from subnautica.
Imagine fighting that Dalamadur. The entire map being the creature’s own body
Gives me Goku walking the serpent's path vibes
Oooo, we are getting Giant corpses now! How about 4U Primal Forrest's? Maybe there's something big in XX Wyvern's End!
6:15 "Not officially confirmed as dalamadur" brother it literally is...regardless of confirmation, nobody is blind
If im not mistaken, they confirmed it in the MHW concept art book.
Bro I get so annoyed when someone says “this creature is longer so it’s bigger”
And then disregard the actual size
I have just one question about this: how the hell did the Guiding Lands Zorah grow that large? It couldn’t have been just age, because the one we fight was already at the end of its lifespan. It was on a final march to its own grave. So where did the Guiding Lands Zorah find a super shroom?
You can do the weights and volumes of other monsters. ^w^
DAMN HE THICK ! THAT'S A BIG ASS SNEK !!!
I always knew that the Vale's Dalamadur was over the charts but damn that's astronamically huuuuuuge 🐍🗿
I hope in wilds we fight a adult dalamadur,it would be sick!
I love Monster Hunter, their Monsters are wonderful on every aspect
Laviente is a Frontier monster though, so it's a separate, alternate universe than the mainline games.
I'm curious about how much bigger the Lao-Shan Lung is whose skull is at the bottom of the Vale. Compared to the size of the one in MH1. A lot of people mistake it for a Zorah, but it's got the signature nose horn (Just a bit of it visible but there. Which differentiates it) and jaw sides.
That's also a Dalamadur. That's not a horn. That's the blade stuffs of Dalamadur. The boulders cover it. And the Jaw is seriously damaged.
It also has Dalamadur blades. You can check it with 3D max/Blender 3D. It is basically smaller version of the upper level skull.
The map also shows you the buttom skull. Just switch the page to the buttom map and look closely to the area. It doesn't look like Lao Shan Lung at all.
about shan lung, Lao-Shan Lung and Shen Gaoren? We forget this those as oldest one? XD plus, that bone of dalamadur is crazy!
If... the skull of Lao Shan Lung in Shen Gaoren can be measured the probability is that Lao Shan Lung's Ancestor is almost as big as Zorah Magdaros. Shen Gaoren itself in the other hand, ain't that big.
@BeefBacon8 imagine that, if lao-shan lung's oldest skull found at monster hunter wilds..like area of oil right?
and yes, Shen Gaoren aren't that yet. what if Shen Gaoren version of seafloor...which bigger ever. well...monster hunter's ocean is unknown. Its large creature wasn't discovered, right?
Yeah, I remember reading the file of Lao Shan Lung as being a young one running away from Fatalis.
@@Mr.Hashimi30 yes, in lore say that, it is fearful how is Fatalis be. XD
3:22 "As Snake is longer than an Elephant, but is not bigger"
My brother in Christ, what kind of Snakes are you talking about?
Skyblade Drgnsphire:
A gem to reforge the world: from blood, the sea; flesh, the land; bone, the wood.
This is the item description from the rarest carve item of Dalamadur.
No wonder the dead carcass will turn into a whole map by itself.
I wonder if the skeleton in the primal forest from 4U is bigger than the ancient dalamadur.
Cant imagine hunting that big ass monster, when theregular in game is already massive.
Those people that called you wrong is so dumb lol they can't even tell the difference between height and length oof 😭
What a shock, a gorilla has more mass than a snake. I feel bad that this video was even necessary, but I appreciate your math. You kept the receipts. The only thing I would nitpick is calling the Rotten Vale skull "ancestor Dalamandur," because as you yourself state, we don't really know WHAT it was. But for lack of a good name to call it, that does suffice.
Maybe one day we will be able to fight gigantic monsters above 1km in a futur mh games , that would be awesome
There are a Dalamadur's skull in Vaal Hazak's den and I also found a Dalamadur's spine in the rotten region of Guiding Lands.(The entance of area 12 is actually a Dalamadur's spine)
Also there is a Zorah's shell in Lava Region of the guiding lands. Moreover there is a Narwa's skeleton in the lave cave of MHRise and a Zorah like skull in forest island.
Would you make a video of them? I really want to know their size.
I love your videos.
Thanks, let me check
@@HardcoreMonsterFan Thank you! I subscribed
Also Zorah is even heavier due to it's shell being made of heavier than organic, volcanic ores
Zorah may not be the longest monster, but it is most definitely the largest in terms of overall mass
Ancestral Steppe. Giant skeleton. What. Was. It. I want to hunt one.
Lao Shan Lung
@aiba7604 Lao isn't THAT big tho. Could be a similar species, in that it's a mountain dragon. It likely outweighs Zorah Magdoros by quite a bit if I'm remembering the size of the ribcage correctly. Probably just perspective, but that thing looks fun.
@@aiba7604 Hell, it might be on an entirely different map, but I'm finding nothing on it either way 😕
@@HaloDJumper Sorry mb, the ancestral steppe has no huge skeleton.
If you mean the Primal Forest, that HUGE skeleton in area 5, well, that monster is not known.
@@HaloDJumper Also, I slipped, there was a fan theory of that monster being an adult Lao, but that's just a fan theory.
Good video, but I gotta say "Dalamudr's Ancestor" is just the adult version. The confirmed 440 meter Dalamdur is a juvenile. So the "modern" one is a child and the "ancestor", as you've called it, is fully grown (Adult/elder).
Ancient creature skeletons that are larger than comprehension are one of my favorite genders. Thanks a lot, gargantuan leviathan from Subnautica and ancient hollow earth titan from godzilla x kong
her: my bf is cheating on me
her bf: damn, those numbers
What about the other big skull in Rotten Vale? The place where was near the Vaal Hazak's cutsene location (also you can use this teeth as stalactites)
Dalamadur: U THOUGHT YOUD LIVED TO THE HYPE BOY?!?!
If the Ancestor of Dalamadur is that big, then it's scary to think about what it eat... since Snakes swallows their prey whole, If the Ancestor Dalamadur hunts and eat like a normal snake, then Imagine how big the "prey" would be...
iirc, the dalamadur in 4U is just a juvenile and the one in the rotten vale is an adult dalamadur
would you make a video about the giant skulls in ER dragonbarrow and mountain tops?
I have no idea what skulls you mentioned. I will check the reddit
@HardcoreMonsterFan giant skulls near elder dragon greyoll. you can see them in both dragon barrow an mountaintops. you can find them by googling easily
Now the question remains, how long could a elder dragon of that size live? Did it die naturally or by a bigger monster?
The answer is very simple. The biggest monsters are those skeletons in Primal Forest. Nothing comes even close to their size.
The biggest monster in MonHun history has and will always be, yo mama
2:28 If you use Meters only use 2 decimal units, because otherwise it looks like Thousands not Hundreds. In this case it should be "440.39 mts" not "440.397 mts"
What about the giant Loa Shan lung skull on that one giant crab elder dragon?
Shengaoren? If the body (excluding extremity) is as big as Lao Shan Lung Head, then it ain't that big. I mean Lao Shan Lung ain't that big either...
@ no the skull on shengaoren of loa is way bigger then a normal loa’s head
@ shengaorens size is 90% hight, he is probably 1/4 the size in volume and weight of dalimadur
Yeah, I forgot about this skull, but it's definitely not bigger than Dalamadur's Ancestor. Once the Wild comes out, we will see if there are any more giants. I might remake another video.
Honestly the skull in the guiding lands looks about the Same size as the zorah we fight
shit didn't even know that Zorah head was there
Wait...wasnt the dalamadur we fight confirmed to be a juvenile? In which case how large would the adult be?
What about the massive Zorah Magdaros skull in rise frost islands? it looks to be about 3-4x bigger than the one in the guiding lands of world
It's smaller than the guiding land one actually
noone mentions the Godzilla Comparison ?? You guys don't surprise Godzilla Earth is smaller ??
Zorah is bigger than the Monsterverse Godizlla but is like 50 ish meters shorter than Earth
I'm questioning the size of the Guiding Zorah, but that's not what I wanna ask, how about the Monster Hunter Rise Zorah head?
The Zorah head is the Zorah that we fight, he exploded and create a entire new Map.
You mean The Guiding Lands Zorah skull? That's not the same one. The Zorah skull is clearly 2 times larger the Zorah that we fight.
According to the Iceborne artbook/lorebook, it is another Zorah that died in TGL very long time ago(before any human arrive to new world).
zorah is probably even heavier tbh with the rocks on his shell
Depends on how the rock on it hardens. Some volcanic rocks are so light and full of air pockets that they float.
@@FinnFann fair
This is upscaled dalamadur? Damn every other time i heard someone discuss adult dalamadur i thought it was bigger.
I think that the Dalamadur's Ancestor should be named Kaiser Dalamadur
Kaiser Dalamadur is more suitable for its variant. Shah Dalamadur is gold-colored and looks much more royal.
Heil Kaiser Snek
The frost islands zorah skull is bigger than the living one implying that neither the dalamadur or zorah u fight are fully grown
the zorah we fight was going to die, so it was traveling into the everstream to release the energy and wipe the ecosystem to create a new one. i think the ancestors were much larger but they had to become smaller to actually move around the world. just my theory.
The Zora we fight is literally dying of old age.
not trying to disprove your take but isn't the zorah we fight in world dying of old age? so it'd mean that even if it's not fully grown, it couldn't have lived long enough to get to size of the one in the frost islands anyways :x
Closest possible explanation that I can think of, is that even the giant elder dragons have Large Gold Crown & Mini Gold Crown size measurement applied to them just like regular monsters does. They can be smaller or larger than what their average size range is, but still considered to reach adulthood.
The Main Problem is, it will pose an even bigger question. Does the living Dalamadur or Zorah individuals that we encounter are Mini Gold Crowns or already Large Gold Crowns?
Zorah we fight is dying and a deviant among its kin due to it being a lot bigger than usual.
Also the living Dala in mh4 is an adult
ppl keep forgetting that the Dalamandur we fight in MH4 is a JUVENILE, as in, not an adult! (including the sub species)
Source? Kinda sounds to me like the problem certain subnautica fans have with the garg leviathan
source? Even if it was a juvenile that doesn't mean it would grow much larger than what we fight, consider that humans are technically still juveniles until we reach about 21 years of age but you don't grow that much after 16
@memeboi3448 MHW literally has the rotten veil dalamandur skeleton which has been calculated to me around a mile long
Two dalamadurs actually cause we see a second skull in the lower regions of the rotten vale where its near the area where Val Hazak rests at@itapproaches3484
@@itapproaches3484 as the guy stated in the video it's a 50/50 on whether that is a dala
What about the large skeleton you find in Monster Hunter Stories?
Legendary video
How did the Ancestor Dalamadur even sustain itself, does it hunt zorahs everyday just to have a good snack🤣
Most likely, it hunted other massive beasts, which were a thing back when it lived, and it went extinct because it ran out of massive prey to hunt.
The problem with Dalamadur is that the one we fight is a juvenile version, like the whole Rotten Vile is just the head and a bit of the neck
Why is it a juvenile? Don't the giant skulls are just their ancestors and not "adults"?
Nowhere stated that one is a Juvenile
It’s been stated that the ones in the Vale are likely an extinct relative.
Can you show me where you got that the Dalamadur that was fought in 4 is a juvenile?
@@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform Care to share where is it stated that the carcass in the Rotten vale is a supposedly extinct species ? Because I don’t recall anything nor anyone saying that, despite replaying the game for the third time.
@@Leozaure the world art book
Holup! Theres an even larger Zorah Magdaros skull in Rise’s Frost Islands. Its that “small rosk formation” in the central area of that map. It may be time for a redo :3
The skull in Frost Islands is relatively small, possibly because the maps in Rise are generally smaller than those in World. The only monster I am missing is the Lao Shan Lung, whose skull is used by Shen Gaoren. ( Lao Shan Lung we fight is no where this big, but this skull is different)
The skull definitely cannot be as big as the "Ancient Snake" and most likely cannot compare in volume with the "Snap Turtle", but it is definitely bigger than others.
Well now I want to see the bones of the Primal Forest from MH4U reassembled, if possible, into whatever monster they used to be.
Considering some infos about the next MH game... Wilds might have one (or 2) biggest monsters ever made
Surely not
What info?
Come on, spill it!
yeah, cmon! we wanna know!
If Wilds has competitors, I will remake another video.
Thinks for the video love your channel
Thanks for your support, I am so glad
Your welcome
And no problem and zorah is tall laviente is long and dalamadur is the strongest of them 2
2:50 Is that Astel on the ground?
Maybe that's why they're hunted so they don't grow up to a world ending size.
The snow map on monster hunter rise there is also a zorah magdaros corpse