Hell yeah, almost 2 hours of TG greatness! Awesome bro, good work as always. Very well thought out and put together. I really appreciate the work you put in man. This had to take a while, I hope you're proud of it, you deserve so much praise.
The thing with Kakuzu is that you can't really push him above pre-Hebi Sasuke, since after defeating Kakuzu's strongest/fastest form, Naruto still feels he needs to catch up to Sasuke, and Kakashi as well thinks to himself that Sasuke is pushing Naruto to grow stronger. And then you have Deidara, while inferior to Sasuke in physical stats, being able to at least give him trouble. For lore reasons Sasori kinda has to be next to Deidara, and we have the scaling chain from Sasuke blitzing Sakura, who was previously able to perceive Sasori's movements and later on adapt to his attack patterns to the point she didn't need Chiyo in order to dodge his puppets' attacks anymore, while Deidara wasn't able to compete with Sasuke in Taijutsu. Therefore the more reliable interpretation being: Sasuke > Deidara/Sasori > Jiongu Kakuzu > post-training Naruto/Kakashi > base Kakuzu > Sakura And if you want to discuss arsenals, Deidara's flight speed is superior to his combat speed, so he would be able to avoid Kakuzu's hearts, and also destroy them since his C2 missiles were able to tag CM2 Hebi Sasuke and the hearts themselves don't have any durability feats to suggest they could withstand even C1. Regarding Diamond Morph, I do believe Kakuzu could tank the C1, maybe even C2 bombs. Maybe saying he can tank a C3 is streching it too far. But regardless, he dies to C4 because he can only harden his skin, not his insides. He isn't as fast as Sasuke and doesn't have a Sharingan to see the cloud of nanoexplosives. Vs Sasori I think it gets more subjective. Can the Iron Sand pierce Kakuzu's hardened skin? Even if it can't, Sasori can freely manipulate the shape of the iron particles, while Kakuzu can't move the parts of his body that are hardened, and he can't win just staying on the defensive. The hearts definitely have enough AP to destroy Sasori's puppets, but you could also argue the puppets are either fast enough or in greater numerical advantage so that they could also tag them and destroy the masks. Plus, I doubt any of Kakuzu's elemental jutsu would be able to pierce the Iron Sand if Sasori chose to use it defensively as Gaara does. Next, Kakuzu can't be harmed while he's using Diamond Morph, but at some point he has to attack, specially if his hearts start getting destroyed. When he does, he is vulnerable to Sasori's attacks, and all he needs is a scratch. Even if Kakuzu could endure the effects of the venom some time and keep fighting (as Chiyo did), he will eventually start to get weaker and then lose consciousness. Also, what if he choses to harden his body in order to tank, say, the Iron Sand attacks, but Sasori traps him in a similar way he did to Sakura, and launches his poisonous gas towards him? He has to deactivate Diamond Morph in order to be able to move and break free, but in doing so he is again vulnerable to being stabbed or scratched by the Iron Sand or any of Sasori's puppet weapons, and he has to escape the gas cloud without breathing any of the poison in. Add to that the fact that the scaling suggests Sasori is faster than him. So both via pure physical scaling and via arsenal match-up, I don't think you can put Kakuzu above either Deidara or Sasori. He CAN win, sure, but he loses more often than not.
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I've always felt like the statements about Itachi sandbagging vs. Sasuke have been way played up, and/or have been retcons. People act as if Itachi could have beaten Hebi Sasuke with the same ease that he beat Kakashi or Part 1 Sasuke and I think that's absurd. I think Itachi tried his ass off to wear down Sasuke, holding back only enough so as not to kill (the same way Sasuke would hold back not to kill Deidara, and yet no one thinks Sasuke sandbagged against Deidara) and was truly, genuinely taken aback by Kirin. Imo the fight has Itachi in the lead, then on the backfoot as Sasuke is much better than he anticipated, then in a check position when he thinks Sasuke is out of chakra, only to realize that Kirin is THAT JUTSU that literally might kill him if he doesn't go all out to defend against it. Anything else to me is either a retcon, or a misconception about Obito's words. Words which are heavily biased and that come from someone who generally has really shit power-scaling takes, such as when Obito believed Amaterasu-only Sasuke could take on the 5 Kage at once with ease and take hostages. Even Itachi isn't fucking doing that. Obito, what crack were you smoking to think that was ever a possibility?
Well, a two hour long video means my wall of text would be too long, so I won't type one out. Good job on putting this all together, it was a great podcast for my daily commute. I'm sure this was a ton of work. We disagree on some points and have some massive differences in interpretations of certain characters, but after listening to your full thoughts and organizing my own, our lists are pretty similar overall. No need to bring up our different interpretations of Sasuke and Jiraiya again, but I found we disagree pretty heavily about Kisame and Danzo here. Kisame is extremely humble and respectful of his peers and opponents, to the point where I think you're downplaying him and overhyping people he talks about. He somehow managed to give a compliment to Suigetsu of all people. I personally think Itachi and Kisame are relative, but I think Kisame comes out as the more impressive one at several points in the series and I generally list Kisame first unless referring to Edo Itachi. Having Danzo above Tsunade is just incorrect, and putting him above Gaara and Onoki is an incredibly tough sell. The entire Leaf village, including Danzo, recognize Tsunade as the proper Hokage. The entire narrative for his character is built around him not being cut out for the job and always living in Hiruzen's shadow, whereas Tsunade's is built around the exact opposite. Your point about his Vacuum Wave dealing impressive damage to Sasuke's Susanoo made me reconsider him a bit, as I previously had him below Mei and A4, but I think you make a pretty solid case for him being equal to them. Something else I realized at the start of this video is that it might be wrong to consider Itachi and Kisame as above Deidara and Sasori during the Kazekage Rescue Arc even though it's obviously that way in retrospect. I couldn't find any explicit statements stating anything about it, and Deidara and Sasori both have showings the scale far beyond what we've seen from Itachi and Kisame at that point. You can extend this to other people who scale off of Deidara and Sasori as well.
Naruto is way stronger than people give credit for. Only reason most think sasuke is better is because naruto has to fight enemies he's not prepared to best just yet. Haku pre kyuubi amp. Orochimaru. Etc. When he does best someone it shows how far he is as a person.
Yeah, that’s actually fax Naruto is actually way stronger without nine tails from a baseline perspective he was literally Nerfed the entire series until he linked up with Kurama so the people who say Naruto is nothing without Ninetails don’t know what they’re talking about Sasuke/rock lee fans💀 so the fact that he was able to learn rasenshiriken/Sage mode Naruto while nerfed is actually insane
This isn’t true sasuke generally has the tougher opponents and is put in tougher situations than Naruto. Even in one of the examples you used haku, which was a fight sasuke was stated to have to constantly adapt and grow within the fight so much so haku was on the losing end and had to attack Naruto knowing sasuke would sacrifice himself. There’s also fights like itachi , Deidara (since he also had the help of obito in the beginning), literally running a kage gauntlet in the 5ks arc etc. Not saying Naruto is never in difficult situations but sasuke isn’t the person to compare him to when making your case.
@@TRJ42It only nerfed his Chakra control, his physicals actually got a massive amp from acclimating to nine tails Chakra throughout his life. So I'd say the two cancel out
Yoooo, love to see a new video, got excited when it just popped up like that, thought I might be waiting a while for this one. Super long so I already know this was a PROJECT for you. Thanks man, boutta get some popcorn and watch this absolute MOVIE.
Good video but in the Deidara vs Sasuke fight Deidara loses track of Sasuke and Tobi has to warn him that he’s behind him. He also says right after Sasuke is to fast and he’ll have to fly to mitigate the speed advantage. He also wasn’t trying to kill Deidara as he wanted info on Itachi so he’s probably slightly above.
Deidara still reacts and can create an explosion close range so the way it seems Base 3T Sasuke >~ to Deidara with CM2 above that pretty outright, I agree Deidara is faster in the air it’s his whole shtick similar to the Gaara fight he’s a long range fighter after all.
Nah not gonna front, that was the craziest Yap session I have ever heard. But real talk great video man! (One thing I want to note is you MIGHT be able to use some Minato above Hiruzen scaling to potentially say at least at THIS point in the series he might be stronger than Madara and Hashirama as A, we don't know Hashirama has sage mode. and B, we don't know the perfect susanoo exists. And there are crazy statements for Hiruzen being the GOD OF SHINOBI and shit so it really depends on if you wanna include that as Minato would just scale above a younger Hiruzen than what we saw in Part 1 as the Hokage is meant to be the strongest in the leaf at that time based on narrative. Just another way I wanted to mention that you could interpret Minato. Though it is a little more dubious in my opinion.)
Yeah it’s extremely dubious I mentioned in P1 a lot of prime characters can’t be used due to them being hard af to scale compared to what we know from Hashi & “Madara” in shippuden
@@ThunderGodTG The Absolute best you could say is that "Minato as Hokage beat a younger 'Madara' as Hokage, and he was considered stronger than the Third Hokage who was thought to be stronger than the previous hokage before him." But even then there are some problems with it. But if we are only using knowledge we had at the time it could work.
Just finished. I’m glad there’s someone like you still making Naruto content, a lot of people live off hot takes. You see the series correctly in my opinion
u misinterpreted. the sasuke and itachi fight especially the tsukuyomi ,sasuke does not break out of tsukuyomi ,following zestu assessment because of its skill. Tobi notes this by saying you couldnt see through any of the illusions he created thats why itachi was disappointed saying what can you see with those sharing of yours?
S tier video. also more stock for naruto being equal to sasuke during the summit, sasuke is blind at that point but naruto is poisoned as well so they are both nerfed at that point. so whether it's full power or both are nerfed (which they both are, sakura's poison was meant to kill) they are = fighters.
Agreed I think you can make a valid case I think Minato is the most consistent route but, if you said Pain over or something I think that’s justified af
Great video loved the whole thing! Cant wait for the movie that's gonna be part 3 covering the war arc; hope you even decide to do a part 4 of the post war arc content. Also love how Swag said in your SM Naruto vs 5 Kage Summit video he was working on a video, and in that time you've posted like a dozen: Including this 2 hour masterpiece.
@@ThunderGodTG The fact that he didn't even tap into a partial transformation. The fact that he didn't use the majority of his lightning techniques. The fact that his sword draw and blocked strike against naruto's back side were animated to be slow and Sai's block was animated to be fast because he didn't to kill Naruto only wanted it to seem that way. Sai couldn't perceive Sasuke's speed, but was able to block Sasuke is ridiculous to me. Even if I were to grant Yamato was able to track Sasuke with his eyes which is contentious doesn't mean he has the feats to counter that speed. Sasuke was in complete control during that fight, not once needing strategy or his more powerful jutsu or more powerful form. Sasuke wanted to make Naruto give up on him, that was his objective.
How do you know about more lightning techniques or partial transformation? Oh they come later? Yeah you skipped the intro clearly rewatch that for me I can’t use future intel at least watch that b4 you comment. Also there’s no contention on Yamato tracking Sasuke lmao he just does
Yeah, Naruto's Rasen Shuriken training is WILD. I think my second ever video was saying Naruto grew like 400 times stronger during it, which might be cap, but it's still an insane boost to his base stats nonetheless any way You look at it.
Incredible video my man! The editing, the clean formatting of your script, the pixel art! I look forward to seeing you get the recognition you deserve. I watched Sage of Thick Calves' video on Naruto canon recently and I'm kind of sold on using the novels. Would you consider doing a video on your feelings about them?(sorry if this already exists and I missed it, I've been catching up on your videos. Also, you weren't on my second monitor but you were in my pocket(on the first watch) for the first two hours of my overnight shift. My job is killing me and your video helped a lot so you might as well have a bit of what I earn lol.
Sasuke feels like he should be higher when he isn't because he's the only character to lose abilities from one arc to the next. He has to start from basically scratch with MS and the loss of his Curse Mark. People love to rag on Sasuke because of how he compares to Naruto, but dude lost his main fighting style that he perfected over 3 years and had to work on one that was COMPLETELY different while Naruto gained a literal 1000x speed boost to training, and they're STILL equal in the end.
They aren’t equal at all in the end. Sasuke is drawing on 8.5 tailed beasts chakra in his chibaku tensei and Naruto is nerfed by only having half of kurama. Sasuke loses that fight without the tailed beasts which he never uses again
@@cadenellis3455 Saying that Sasuke is using Tailed Beasts while Naruto is not is extremely disingenuous. And I find it hilarious that you say Naruto only has 1/2 of the Kyuubi as if that isn't already stronger than every other Tailed Beast combined and while Sasuke inherently has *none* of them. Naruto has access to every Tailed Beast's powers within him at all times, regardless of their freedom. What's more, Sasuke stomps Naruto if he is allowed access to his abilities, but is nerfed by the plot. I have called them "equal" out of pity for Naruto fans and nothing more.
Hard to say for me if Asuma is below Hidan because all Hidan needed to do was scratch Asuma and he was pretty much done. Hidan’s style grants him the ability to beat people stronger than him. It never seemed like Asuma couldn’t keep up with what Hidan was actually doing prior to the curse taking effect.
Kakashi HAS to be on the list in 5KS for being able to Kamui Sasuke’s susanoo arrow. It’s a blitz level above Sasuke who evolved sm compared to early characters introduced in the 5KS. Ik it’s hella nutty to say that because of this one showing he’s over like Kisame or Bee, but if we follow Kakashi Kamui = Sasuke Arrow >= Peak MS Sasuke = SM Naruto >> SM Jiraiya, this one ridiculous feat and how OP kamui is in general should warrant a placement = or > Bee and Kisame
Saskue should be at a higher ranking than Naruto during the Immortal Duo arc since Naruto thinks he still hasn’t caught up to Saskue yet which would suggest that Saskue is stronger than Naruto, Kakuzu and Kakashi
The thing I appreciate the most about this series is how based you are with Itachi, far too often you see people completely downplay him and like drop him from the top 10 entirely when the series very clearly portrays him as being this beyond Sannin tier character and obviously when he's Reanimated he reinforces this by fighting against other beyond Sannin tier characters without being nerfed anymore, I actually am on the side that he can be argued to be a little bit higher but I also cannot at all be mad about where you've had him placed so far, bro really is the strongest non-Sage Mode non-Six Paths non-Reincarnation non-Hashirama cell character lol
Hebi sasuke should be bare minimum at a sannin level. He was confident on taking itachi after conceding he couldn't do so at start of shippuden. So this isn't some "I will win no matter what scenario arrogance". He knew his limits then, knows it now and the bare minimum he knows of itachi is that he is stronger than a sannin. So if he still considered himself weaker than a sannin he wouldn't go after itachi. Sasuke tends to downplay himself in front of the rest of hebi so that statement should just be taken as that, downplaying himself to shut up a nagging woman. Even with limited knowledge of the third databook upto itachis truth,itachi can still be above pain. He is said to have the strongest dojutsu. Pain only has a similar statement later on I belive in the last pages of a manga chapter(which may Or may not be correctly translated) and an anime retelling on naruto website(itachi has a similar statement in an episode summary of the website). Itachi then has a form that surpases this strongest dojutsu, the susanoo. Pain and Itachis statements about being invincible are also different. Itachi is called muteki which is invincible in its truest sense. Pain is called fuuhai which just means invincible because of an unbeaten record, a record that can be broken. Itachi and sasukes battle is called the ultimate battle after pain and jiraiyas is done. At the very least Sasuke can't be weaker than jiraiya if this is true or Itachi has to be above pain. The strongest man in the akatsuki is ambiguous as to who it is referring to but even then how are you sure this is the correct translation? Viz makes mistakes but so can fan translators. I don't know how you are using a guidebook that was released later to explain past events(you use rtn guide which was released after all these arcs)but if you are using it, Itachi should be definitely be above pain and maybe hebi Sasuke as well. Kirin is said to be the ultimate technique right next to a picture of chibaku tensei in the 2nd fanbook. Itachis power is said to surpass everything in this same fanbook during his fight with Sasuke. The kirin statement is somewhat wonky as the same fanbook calls kirin mediocre compared to susanoo but nothing really contradicts the Itachi statement. It only builds on what we know before. Kage summit Sasuke is said by the "current madara" to be the fastest and most powerful only in his v3 susanoo. If you belive even the current madara is above pain then Sasuke is as well for sure by the kage summit especially in full powered armoured form. Also zetsu makes no such statement about pains defeat being inconceivable. The original just states madara prepared a scenario for that. All in all Itachi is definitely above pain and Sasuke can also be depending on how you interpret certain statements. Even using only feats and statements about events referencing until the kage summit.
He can be stronger than armless Oro & weaker than FP, he doesn’t have to be stronger than a Sannin just stronger than the version of Oro that was going to have his body, you’d never be able to extend that to the Sannin’s Full Capabilities. If you have Itachi over Pain you can have that I don’t really care although Itachi’s upper ends are impossible to quantify at this point in the series imo. Pain is called invincible not only in DB3 but, also Obito himself so it’s a consistent trend compared to Itachi who only ever has the statement made with the Yata Mirror & Totsuka Blade. Again don’t really care about Itachi vs Pain but, at least be fair to the Pain side. The pain statement could be a mistrans for all we know, we don’t have the Kanji or RW for editors statements. If you’re gonna claim it is then show that otherwise “it could be a mistrans” is a game you can play with literally every piece of text in the manga and is just a nonexistent argument . I’d also have to cite the invincible statements for myself as no offense fan translators can be unreliable or flat out wrong as you stated. The RTN Guide was only used to cite the specific scene it shows in the 5KS I didn’t use it to cite scans from later in the series. I didn’t say they couldn’t be released later I say they have to pertain to the time frame of the series or point to something current. Current Madara is also just blatantly above Sasuke idk how you extend that to him, Current Madara could out react a Kamui barrier creation which is almost two speed tiers above Sasuke’s Arrows, they’re not the same in speed. Idk where you’re getting he’s stated to be the fastest and most powerful Shinobi in his V3 Susano’o or how that relates to all time and not the specific situation. I’m fine with Itachi over so it’s whatever like ball out king it just seems like you thirsting for it off these arguments a bit like sip some water you G
@@ThunderGodTG Well leaving Itachi vs pain aside, Obito mentions chapter 479 page 13 that Sasuke is pressuring danzo with the fastest and most powerful susanoo (常に最速最高の"須佐能乎"で, Tsuneni saisoku saikō no "Susanoo" de). He isn't talking of the susanoo forms as he knows there are forms stronger than this, which Sasuke awakens. So he has to be talking about Sasuke in v3 susanoo itself. If you are talking about kakashi kamuing the arrows, they aren't contradictions as that would be reaction speed and this also pertains to strength not just speed.
Don't mind me but honestly I like to scale Chiyo above Kakashi until the Akatsuki suppression arc, he just doesn't show anything too much impressive until that Kakuzu fight
HONESTLY lowk super fair take that was something i was really thinking about when doing that section i just think it’s really hard to measure and i think Guy ~ The Akatsuki who Kakashi scales to is more solid, but I deadass went back and forth crazy on this same thing
A hypothetical part 2 hiruzen is weird to scale since I go by too interpretations either he gets way weaker then his part 1 self or he trains himself to become stronger than part 1 orochimaru, the first one is very bad considering that hiruzen wouldn't be able to compete against danzo unless he uses certain techniques to beat him otherwise base to base he loses the second one would have him being much more relevant in part 2.
Deidara reacts outright to Sasuke’s Body Flicker on him initially and can escape from his attacks from behind the way it’s presented is 3T Sasuke >~ Deidara with Deidara needing to get into the air to contest Sasuke (Deidara is faster in the air as he’s a long range ariel fighter)
@@ThunderGodTG he barely reacted and saved his neck. He had to go in the air because of the fact, he barely survived on the ground and would have likely died. He had tobi plant bombs everywhere to limit the movements of Sasuke thus impeding his speed. This seems self evident to me.
Okay so we see him react to Sasuke’s Max Speed Charge / Swing initially & at close range, with the rest of the fight being Deidara trying to limit Sasuke from moving around with aerial assaults, idk why any of this doesn’t mean Sasuke has a slight speed edge, if Sasuke was massively faster the body flicker which is his max speed would have cut Deidara in two? None of what you said actually means Sasuke was an entire speed tier above Deidara just faster than Deidara (but not to the point Deidara can’t react) this is pretty self evident from the fight, I’d recommend a reread friend
@@ThunderGodTG are you saying the distance between played no factor, the fact that Deidera only reacted when Sasuke was face to face with him considering the distance between them demonstrates he is a whole level below in terms of speed feats than Sasuke. This argument is also further supported by the fact, he needed Tobi to warn him of Sasuke's position shortly after and his insistence to keep Sasuke at a distance, impeded by land mines and with a barrier of not just distance but altitude.
No this distance actually doesn’t matter since Sasuke used BF to actually get close to Deidara & Tobi. You can’t attack & use BF at the same time it’s just a short term travel speed boost, SO what Deidara actually reacted to was Sasuke’s Combat speed + Sasuke using BF to get close. Another example to how the Raikage used BF to dodge Amaterasu but, can’t actually attack with it which is where Sasuke notices him. You don’t understand how body flicker functions in the series and are ignoring it entirely in this instance.
@ He blitzed Yamato and Sai and nearly low diff’d team kakashi with kirin had orochimaru not intervened. Yamato then returned to konoha, told kakashi what happened, to which kakashi responded by saying sasuke is more powerful than him now. It’s really not implied sasuke got much stronger from tenchi to the time he fights deidara/itachi aside from him absorbing orochimaru’s white snake powers.
Yeah so Yamato was still tracking Sasuke on his blitz on team 7, his eyes were still tracking him. Brother the rest is info that contradicts the premise of the vid & not available to use for Tenchi Bridge, rewatch the intro you skipped it obviously I’m not allowed to use future info to dictate the placements it’s just based on what’s available at the time which is why I don’t mention ANY of that about to make a pinned comment cause mf’s about to make me crash out skipping the intro.
@ so based off your premise of “his eyes were still tracking him”, you’re saying he just lets this man Sasuke stab him in the chest? Make it make sense. My brother in Christ, I did watch the intro. You stated anything from the DBs fan books etc. Were fair game. So are the feats and statements made during that specific arc NOT APPLICABLE TO THE SCALING????? Been a fan for years and really respect all the work you do believe it or not. You’re carrying the Naruto fan content on YT right now in my opinion. With that being said, usually, if I disagree with your opinion that “X character is stronger than Y character because Z.”, if the scaling is close, then I’ve always just given you the benefit of the doubt out of a mere difference of opinion. This however, is far too egregious for me to keep quiet about because Tenchi Sasuke scaling to Yamato is not anywhere near close enough to be considered subjective.
Question if becoming a jinchuriki of the 9 tails gives you regenerative abilities then why didn’t minato heal from kurama stabbing him through the chest after sealing the 9 tails into him. And we know minato was a jinchuriki at this point because he went directly into kcm immidiately after reviving
The pixel art of these characters is sick
this is my absolute fav scaling vid on yt. and you were not on my 2nd monitor this is main monitor worthy for sure. cant wait for part 3!
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So much effort in the script, editing, and thumbnail. Not condescending at all, great replayability thanks TG!!
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Hell yeah, almost 2 hours of TG greatness! Awesome bro, good work as always. Very well thought out and put together. I really appreciate the work you put in man. This had to take a while, I hope you're proud of it, you deserve so much praise.
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This video is so well made. I hope this goes viral
i had hoped my boy kakuzu woulda been a little higher but im not tripping about it
overall W vid you make naruto powerscaling seem very interesting
The thing with Kakuzu is that you can't really push him above pre-Hebi Sasuke, since after defeating Kakuzu's strongest/fastest form, Naruto still feels he needs to catch up to Sasuke, and Kakashi as well thinks to himself that Sasuke is pushing Naruto to grow stronger. And then you have Deidara, while inferior to Sasuke in physical stats, being able to at least give him trouble. For lore reasons Sasori kinda has to be next to Deidara, and we have the scaling chain from Sasuke blitzing Sakura, who was previously able to perceive Sasori's movements and later on adapt to his attack patterns to the point she didn't need Chiyo in order to dodge his puppets' attacks anymore, while Deidara wasn't able to compete with Sasuke in Taijutsu.
Therefore the more reliable interpretation being: Sasuke > Deidara/Sasori > Jiongu Kakuzu > post-training Naruto/Kakashi > base Kakuzu > Sakura
And if you want to discuss arsenals, Deidara's flight speed is superior to his combat speed, so he would be able to avoid Kakuzu's hearts, and also destroy them since his C2 missiles were able to tag CM2 Hebi Sasuke and the hearts themselves don't have any durability feats to suggest they could withstand even C1. Regarding Diamond Morph, I do believe Kakuzu could tank the C1, maybe even C2 bombs. Maybe saying he can tank a C3 is streching it too far. But regardless, he dies to C4 because he can only harden his skin, not his insides. He isn't as fast as Sasuke and doesn't have a Sharingan to see the cloud of nanoexplosives.
Vs Sasori I think it gets more subjective. Can the Iron Sand pierce Kakuzu's hardened skin? Even if it can't, Sasori can freely manipulate the shape of the iron particles, while Kakuzu can't move the parts of his body that are hardened, and he can't win just staying on the defensive. The hearts definitely have enough AP to destroy Sasori's puppets, but you could also argue the puppets are either fast enough or in greater numerical advantage so that they could also tag them and destroy the masks. Plus, I doubt any of Kakuzu's elemental jutsu would be able to pierce the Iron Sand if Sasori chose to use it defensively as Gaara does. Next, Kakuzu can't be harmed while he's using Diamond Morph, but at some point he has to attack, specially if his hearts start getting destroyed. When he does, he is vulnerable to Sasori's attacks, and all he needs is a scratch. Even if Kakuzu could endure the effects of the venom some time and keep fighting (as Chiyo did), he will eventually start to get weaker and then lose consciousness. Also, what if he choses to harden his body in order to tank, say, the Iron Sand attacks, but Sasori traps him in a similar way he did to Sakura, and launches his poisonous gas towards him? He has to deactivate Diamond Morph in order to be able to move and break free, but in doing so he is again vulnerable to being stabbed or scratched by the Iron Sand or any of Sasori's puppet weapons, and he has to escape the gas cloud without breathing any of the poison in. Add to that the fact that the scaling suggests Sasori is faster than him.
So both via pure physical scaling and via arsenal match-up, I don't think you can put Kakuzu above either Deidara or Sasori. He CAN win, sure, but he loses more often than not.
Feels like i've waited so long for this video
Thunder God I’m on the road to 2K. Once I hit 3-4K I’ll start doing Naruto content. Looking forward to a future Thunder God collab, gaming content is just my niche for now.
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Starting my morning off with some good Thunder God content. Today will be a good day.
Excellent to start my day, my man!
I've always felt like the statements about Itachi sandbagging vs. Sasuke have been way played up, and/or have been retcons. People act as if Itachi could have beaten Hebi Sasuke with the same ease that he beat Kakashi or Part 1 Sasuke and I think that's absurd. I think Itachi tried his ass off to wear down Sasuke, holding back only enough so as not to kill (the same way Sasuke would hold back not to kill Deidara, and yet no one thinks Sasuke sandbagged against Deidara) and was truly, genuinely taken aback by Kirin.
Imo the fight has Itachi in the lead, then on the backfoot as Sasuke is much better than he anticipated, then in a check position when he thinks Sasuke is out of chakra, only to realize that Kirin is THAT JUTSU that literally might kill him if he doesn't go all out to defend against it.
Anything else to me is either a retcon, or a misconception about Obito's words. Words which are heavily biased and that come from someone who generally has really shit power-scaling takes, such as when Obito believed Amaterasu-only Sasuke could take on the 5 Kage at once with ease and take hostages. Even Itachi isn't fucking doing that. Obito, what crack were you smoking to think that was ever a possibility?
Well, a two hour long video means my wall of text would be too long, so I won't type one out. Good job on putting this all together, it was a great podcast for my daily commute. I'm sure this was a ton of work. We disagree on some points and have some massive differences in interpretations of certain characters, but after listening to your full thoughts and organizing my own, our lists are pretty similar overall. No need to bring up our different interpretations of Sasuke and Jiraiya again, but I found we disagree pretty heavily about Kisame and Danzo here.
Kisame is extremely humble and respectful of his peers and opponents, to the point where I think you're downplaying him and overhyping people he talks about. He somehow managed to give a compliment to Suigetsu of all people. I personally think Itachi and Kisame are relative, but I think Kisame comes out as the more impressive one at several points in the series and I generally list Kisame first unless referring to Edo Itachi.
Having Danzo above Tsunade is just incorrect, and putting him above Gaara and Onoki is an incredibly tough sell. The entire Leaf village, including Danzo, recognize Tsunade as the proper Hokage. The entire narrative for his character is built around him not being cut out for the job and always living in Hiruzen's shadow, whereas Tsunade's is built around the exact opposite. Your point about his Vacuum Wave dealing impressive damage to Sasuke's Susanoo made me reconsider him a bit, as I previously had him below Mei and A4, but I think you make a pretty solid case for him being equal to them.
Something else I realized at the start of this video is that it might be wrong to consider Itachi and Kisame as above Deidara and Sasori during the Kazekage Rescue Arc even though it's obviously that way in retrospect. I couldn't find any explicit statements stating anything about it, and Deidara and Sasori both have showings the scale far beyond what we've seen from Itachi and Kisame at that point. You can extend this to other people who scale off of Deidara and Sasori as well.
Danzo is clearly stronger than Tsunade, what would she be able to do against Izinagi
This video was goated like a power ranking movie 😂. The images and your explanations make the TH-cam video great.
Naruto is way stronger than people give credit for. Only reason most think sasuke is better is because naruto has to fight enemies he's not prepared to best just yet.
Haku pre kyuubi amp. Orochimaru. Etc. When he does best someone it shows how far he is as a person.
Yeah, that’s actually fax Naruto is actually way stronger without nine tails from a baseline perspective he was literally Nerfed the entire series until he linked up with Kurama so the people who say Naruto is nothing without Ninetails don’t know what they’re talking about Sasuke/rock lee fans💀 so the fact that he was able to learn rasenshiriken/Sage mode Naruto while nerfed is actually insane
This isn’t true sasuke generally has the tougher opponents and is put in tougher situations than Naruto. Even in one of the examples you used haku, which was a fight sasuke was stated to have to constantly adapt and grow within the fight so much so haku was on the losing end and had to attack Naruto knowing sasuke would sacrifice himself. There’s also fights like itachi , Deidara (since he also had the help of obito in the beginning), literally running a kage gauntlet in the 5ks arc etc.
Not saying Naruto is never in difficult situations but sasuke isn’t the person to compare him to when making your case.
@@TRJ42It only nerfed his Chakra control, his physicals actually got a massive amp from acclimating to nine tails Chakra throughout his life. So I'd say the two cancel out
Yoooo, love to see a new video, got excited when it just popped up like that, thought I might be waiting a while for this one. Super long so I already know this was a PROJECT for you. Thanks man, boutta get some popcorn and watch this absolute MOVIE.
Ahhhh appreciate it my man ✊🏻🔥
Bruhhh that edit after the yap was cold af omg
My goat is back at it again.
Nagato revived Kakashi
TG revived the songs from the old Naruto games
"Part 2 to my little mini series" MINI SERIES? THIS IS A WHOLE TV SHOW 💀
😂😂😂
Most underrated Naruto TH-camr
Ahh my man ✊🏻
Superb video dude, worth the wait!
Banger video! Can't wait for part 3!
Was watching the entire time only me main sreen. Love the sprites for this series!
MY MAN ✊🏻🔥
Putting “Rise Tsuyosa!” As the music for 5 Kage Summit was chefs kiss 👌
Good stuff my guy, I can see you locked in!
MY GOAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Great video, you make some of the most well thought out and reasonable power scaling content in the anime/manga space
TG good work bro. Clearly a lot of work went into this.
My man appreciate it ✊🏻🤝🏻
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TG do you plan on doing a dragon ball power ranking series after Naruto?
Good video but in the Deidara vs Sasuke fight Deidara loses track of Sasuke and Tobi has to warn him that he’s behind him. He also says right after Sasuke is to fast and he’ll have to fly to mitigate the speed advantage. He also wasn’t trying to kill Deidara as he wanted info on Itachi so he’s probably slightly above.
Deidara still reacts and can create an explosion close range so the way it seems Base 3T Sasuke >~ to Deidara with CM2 above that pretty outright, I agree Deidara is faster in the air it’s his whole shtick similar to the Gaara fight he’s a long range fighter after all.
Nah not gonna front, that was the craziest Yap session I have ever heard. But real talk great video man! (One thing I want to note is you MIGHT be able to use some Minato above Hiruzen scaling to potentially say at least at THIS point in the series he might be stronger than Madara and Hashirama as A, we don't know Hashirama has sage mode. and B, we don't know the perfect susanoo exists. And there are crazy statements for Hiruzen being the GOD OF SHINOBI and shit so it really depends on if you wanna include that as Minato would just scale above a younger Hiruzen than what we saw in Part 1 as the Hokage is meant to be the strongest in the leaf at that time based on narrative. Just another way I wanted to mention that you could interpret Minato. Though it is a little more dubious in my opinion.)
Side note, how did you do the pixel art animation in the video?
Yeah it’s extremely dubious I mentioned in P1 a lot of prime characters can’t be used due to them being hard af to scale compared to what we know from Hashi & “Madara” in shippuden
@@ThunderGodTG The Absolute best you could say is that "Minato as Hokage beat a younger 'Madara' as Hokage, and he was considered stronger than the Third Hokage who was thought to be stronger than the previous hokage before him." But even then there are some problems with it. But if we are only using knowledge we had at the time it could work.
Just finished. I’m glad there’s someone like you still making Naruto content, a lot of people live off hot takes. You see the series correctly in my opinion
u misinterpreted. the sasuke and itachi fight especially the tsukuyomi ,sasuke does not break out of tsukuyomi ,following zestu assessment because of its skill. Tobi notes this by saying you couldnt see through any of the illusions he created thats why itachi was disappointed saying what can you see with those sharing of yours?
@@ITACHITHEGOAT-gg4ky that part is highly debatable no matter how you look at it. I tend to agree with you though on that.
S tier video. also more stock for naruto being equal to sasuke during the summit, sasuke is blind at that point but naruto is poisoned as well so they are both nerfed at that point. so whether it's full power or both are nerfed (which they both are, sakura's poison was meant to kill) they are = fighters.
The Minato, Pain, and Itachi 3-5 gap for each arc is interchangeable as hell, but cool video
Agreed I think you can make a valid case I think Minato is the most consistent route but, if you said Pain over or something I think that’s justified af
Great video loved the whole thing! Cant wait for the movie that's gonna be part 3 covering the war arc; hope you even decide to do a part 4 of the post war arc content. Also love how Swag said in your SM Naruto vs 5 Kage Summit video he was working on a video, and in that time you've posted like a dozen: Including this 2 hour masterpiece.
Man this just reminds of how flawless that Kazekage-Kage Summit run was smh. Legendary 💯🔥
Gave me something to watch at work
Sasuke was at 20% at max in Tenchi Bridge
What scaling does he have at Tenchi Bridge?
@@ThunderGodTG The fact that he didn't even tap into a partial transformation. The fact that he didn't use the majority of his lightning techniques. The fact that his sword draw and blocked strike against naruto's back side were animated to be slow and Sai's block was animated to be fast because he didn't to kill Naruto only wanted it to seem that way. Sai couldn't perceive Sasuke's speed, but was able to block Sasuke is ridiculous to me. Even if I were to grant Yamato was able to track Sasuke with his eyes which is contentious doesn't mean he has the feats to counter that speed. Sasuke was in complete control during that fight, not once needing strategy or his more powerful jutsu or more powerful form. Sasuke wanted to make Naruto give up on him, that was his objective.
How do you know about more lightning techniques or partial transformation? Oh they come later? Yeah you skipped the intro clearly rewatch that for me I can’t use future intel at least watch that b4 you comment. Also there’s no contention on Yamato tracking Sasuke lmao he just does
Yeah, Naruto's Rasen Shuriken training is WILD. I think my second ever video was saying Naruto grew like 400 times stronger during it, which might be cap, but it's still an insane boost to his base stats nonetheless any way You look at it.
Watch the whole thing , pretty good considering the reasoning. I would have complained about Itachi at 5 but the p3 music took it out of me.
Very fun video. Keep it coming 😜.
Thanks for the movie, cant wait for the war arc and maybe even Boruto!
I plan on doing Boruto for sure War arc about to cook me fr
@ThunderGodTG Pace yourself with the war arc. Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
You cook nice Naruto video
pulling out all the stops amazing breakdown
Shoutout, great video, couldn’t find much to disagree with honestly. We’ll see in the war arc though 😂
I’m cooked
@ Strive to cook 🫡
Yo actually cooking, bruh. 2h is way more than i expected. Ain't no powerscalers doing it like you (except maybe virtue i have him at #2)
These scaling vids are essentially my regular thoughts but organized and backed by evidence. Love the content.
Incredible video my man! The editing, the clean formatting of your script, the pixel art! I look forward to seeing you get the recognition you deserve.
I watched Sage of Thick Calves' video on Naruto canon recently and I'm kind of sold on using the novels. Would you consider doing a video on your feelings about them?(sorry if this already exists and I missed it, I've been catching up on your videos.
Also, you weren't on my second monitor but you were in my pocket(on the first watch) for the first two hours of my overnight shift. My job is killing me and your video helped a lot so you might as well have a bit of what I earn lol.
Just started the vid & will leave a better comment after but I see you using Jack a dandy as a BG track 😏 respect 🤝
Aww man this amazing!!!
When the world needed him most he returned !!!
I waited so long for this
Just subbed to you like 3 days ago been watching all your videos was hoping you'd put the part 2 of this out soon lol
Ahhh my man appreciate tf out of that ✊🏻🫡
Pain starting the Naruto equivalent of Infinity War is so right XD
finally some actually unbiased scaling
Sasuke feels like he should be higher when he isn't because he's the only character to lose abilities from one arc to the next. He has to start from basically scratch with MS and the loss of his Curse Mark. People love to rag on Sasuke because of how he compares to Naruto, but dude lost his main fighting style that he perfected over 3 years and had to work on one that was COMPLETELY different while Naruto gained a literal 1000x speed boost to training, and they're STILL equal in the end.
They aren’t equal at all in the end. Sasuke is drawing on 8.5 tailed beasts chakra in his chibaku tensei and Naruto is nerfed by only having half of kurama. Sasuke loses that fight without the tailed beasts which he never uses again
@@cadenellis3455 Saying that Sasuke is using Tailed Beasts while Naruto is not is extremely disingenuous. And I find it hilarious that you say Naruto only has 1/2 of the Kyuubi as if that isn't already stronger than every other Tailed Beast combined and while Sasuke inherently has *none* of them. Naruto has access to every Tailed Beast's powers within him at all times, regardless of their freedom.
What's more, Sasuke stomps Naruto if he is allowed access to his abilities, but is nerfed by the plot.
I have called them "equal" out of pity for Naruto fans and nothing more.
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The ninja storm music is hitting my nostalgia hard
2 hours of yap is insane 😂
this is way too much i think ima just consume it as entertainment rather than a bunch of arguments 😭
Yessir🔥🔥💯
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this is 🔥
Nah bro, I got you on my main monitor, ain't no way I am missing this greatness of the Frog God of Thunder
2 HOURS! Holy!
Yeah this video is really good.Will you also go up to boruto?
I plan to yeah
Ayee! Can't wait! I can't emphasise this enough, but this video is beautiful. Great video 👍
Thanks a ton my man ✊🏻🙏🏻🔥 I fucking appreciate it
Can't wait til the war arc
Hard to say for me if Asuma is below Hidan because all Hidan needed to do was scratch Asuma and he was pretty much done. Hidan’s style grants him the ability to beat people stronger than him. It never seemed like Asuma couldn’t keep up with what Hidan was actually doing prior to the curse taking effect.
2nd monitor? Brother I've been sitting here for 2 hours watching the same clips I always see in the vids and I still loved it
Kakashi HAS to be on the list in 5KS for being able to Kamui Sasuke’s susanoo arrow. It’s a blitz level above Sasuke who evolved sm compared to early characters introduced in the 5KS. Ik it’s hella nutty to say that because of this one showing he’s over like Kisame or Bee, but if we follow Kakashi Kamui = Sasuke Arrow >= Peak MS Sasuke = SM Naruto >> SM Jiraiya, this one ridiculous feat and how OP kamui is in general should warrant a placement = or > Bee and Kisame
Love that sandal joke lol
*grabs popcorn*
cool af
Oh ya
Saskue should be at a higher ranking than Naruto during the Immortal Duo arc since Naruto thinks he still hasn’t caught up to Saskue yet which would suggest that Saskue is stronger than Naruto, Kakuzu and Kakashi
Damn, just damn
Lemme get my 3D goggles and nachos
The thing I appreciate the most about this series is how based you are with Itachi, far too often you see people completely downplay him and like drop him from the top 10 entirely when the series very clearly portrays him as being this beyond Sannin tier character and obviously when he's Reanimated he reinforces this by fighting against other beyond Sannin tier characters without being nerfed anymore, I actually am on the side that he can be argued to be a little bit higher but I also cannot at all be mad about where you've had him placed so far, bro really is the strongest non-Sage Mode non-Six Paths non-Reincarnation non-Hashirama cell character lol
Hebi sasuke should be bare minimum at a sannin level. He was confident on taking itachi after conceding he couldn't do so at start of shippuden. So this isn't some "I will win no matter what scenario arrogance". He knew his limits then, knows it now and the bare minimum he knows of itachi is that he is stronger than a sannin. So if he still considered himself weaker than a sannin he wouldn't go after itachi. Sasuke tends to downplay himself in front of the rest of hebi so that statement should just be taken as that, downplaying himself to shut up a nagging woman.
Even with limited knowledge of the third databook upto itachis truth,itachi can still be above pain. He is said to have the strongest dojutsu. Pain only has a similar statement later on I belive in the last pages of a manga chapter(which may Or may not be correctly translated) and an anime retelling on naruto website(itachi has a similar statement in an episode summary of the website). Itachi then has a form that surpases this strongest dojutsu, the susanoo.
Pain and Itachis statements about being invincible are also different. Itachi is called muteki which is invincible in its truest sense. Pain is called fuuhai which just means invincible because of an unbeaten record, a record that can be broken.
Itachi and sasukes battle is called the ultimate battle after pain and jiraiyas is done. At the very least Sasuke can't be weaker than jiraiya if this is true or Itachi has to be above pain.
The strongest man in the akatsuki is ambiguous as to who it is referring to but even then how are you sure this is the correct translation? Viz makes mistakes but so can fan translators.
I don't know how you are using a guidebook that was released later to explain past events(you use rtn guide which was released after all these arcs)but if you are using it, Itachi should be definitely be above pain and maybe hebi Sasuke as well. Kirin is said to be the ultimate technique right next to a picture of chibaku tensei in the 2nd fanbook. Itachis power is said to surpass everything in this same fanbook during his fight with Sasuke. The kirin statement is somewhat wonky as the same fanbook calls kirin mediocre compared to susanoo but nothing really contradicts the Itachi statement. It only builds on what we know before.
Kage summit Sasuke is said by the "current madara" to be the fastest and most powerful only in his v3 susanoo. If you belive even the current madara is above pain then Sasuke is as well for sure by the kage summit especially in full powered armoured form.
Also zetsu makes no such statement about pains defeat being inconceivable. The original just states madara prepared a scenario for that.
All in all Itachi is definitely above pain and Sasuke can also be depending on how you interpret certain statements. Even using only feats and statements about events referencing until the kage summit.
He can be stronger than armless Oro & weaker than FP, he doesn’t have to be stronger than a Sannin just stronger than the version of Oro that was going to have his body, you’d never be able to extend that to the Sannin’s Full Capabilities.
If you have Itachi over Pain you can have that I don’t really care although Itachi’s upper ends are impossible to quantify at this point in the series imo. Pain is called invincible not only in DB3 but, also Obito himself so it’s a consistent trend compared to Itachi who only ever has the statement made with the Yata Mirror & Totsuka Blade. Again don’t really care about Itachi vs Pain but, at least be fair to the Pain side.
The pain statement could be a mistrans for all we know, we don’t have the Kanji or RW for editors statements. If you’re gonna claim it is then show that otherwise “it could be a mistrans” is a game you can play with literally every piece of text in the manga and is just a nonexistent argument . I’d also have to cite the invincible statements for myself as no offense fan translators can be unreliable or flat out wrong as you stated.
The RTN Guide was only used to cite the specific scene it shows in the 5KS I didn’t use it to cite scans from later in the series. I didn’t say they couldn’t be released later I say they have to pertain to the time frame of the series or point to something current.
Current Madara is also just blatantly above Sasuke idk how you extend that to him, Current Madara could out react a Kamui barrier creation which is almost two speed tiers above Sasuke’s Arrows, they’re not the same in speed. Idk where you’re getting he’s stated to be the fastest and most powerful Shinobi in his V3 Susano’o or how that relates to all time and not the specific situation.
I’m fine with Itachi over so it’s whatever like ball out king it just seems like you thirsting for it off these arguments a bit like sip some water you G
Bro itachi is not over pain what series was you watching 😂
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Well leaving Itachi vs pain aside,
Obito mentions chapter 479 page 13 that Sasuke is pressuring danzo with the fastest and most powerful susanoo (常に最速最高の"須佐能乎"で, Tsuneni saisoku saikō no "Susanoo" de). He isn't talking of the susanoo forms as he knows there are forms stronger than this, which Sasuke awakens. So he has to be talking about Sasuke in v3 susanoo itself.
If you are talking about kakashi kamuing the arrows, they aren't contradictions as that would be reaction speed and this also pertains to strength not just speed.
Finally without Haku and Zabuza. But when you mention Chiyo I'm like Oh. This is part 2 Haku. Thank fully you leave her
PEAK!
Don't mind me but honestly I like to scale Chiyo above Kakashi until the Akatsuki suppression arc, he just doesn't show anything too much impressive until that Kakuzu fight
HONESTLY lowk super fair take that was something i was really thinking about when doing that section i just think it’s really hard to measure and i think Guy ~ The Akatsuki who Kakashi scales to is more solid, but I deadass went back and forth crazy on this same thing
You know, first 50 minute was good too
I had to take some breaks, but I got through it
King shit
Nice video. You should add timestamps tho.
I'm about to BUST!
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Are you going to do a boruto power ranking
Yeah I plan on doing that
@ let’s goooooo
Hiruzen getting cut from the list gets a like from me already🔥. RESPECT🗣
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A hypothetical part 2 hiruzen is weird to scale since I go by too interpretations either he gets way weaker then his part 1 self or he trains himself to become stronger than part 1 orochimaru, the first one is very bad considering that hiruzen wouldn't be able to compete against danzo unless he uses certain techniques to beat him otherwise base to base he loses the second one would have him being much more relevant in part 2.
slight speed edge over deidera, are you crazy? Tobi had to warn Deidera multiple times during the fight.
Deidara reacts outright to Sasuke’s Body Flicker on him initially and can escape from his attacks from behind the way it’s presented is 3T Sasuke >~ Deidara with Deidara needing to get into the air to contest Sasuke (Deidara is faster in the air as he’s a long range ariel fighter)
@@ThunderGodTG he barely reacted and saved his neck. He had to go in the air because of the fact, he barely survived on the ground and would have likely died. He had tobi plant bombs everywhere to limit the movements of Sasuke thus impeding his speed. This seems self evident to me.
Okay so we see him react to Sasuke’s Max Speed Charge / Swing initially & at close range, with the rest of the fight being Deidara trying to limit Sasuke from moving around with aerial assaults, idk why any of this doesn’t mean Sasuke has a slight speed edge, if Sasuke was massively faster the body flicker which is his max speed would have cut Deidara in two? None of what you said actually means Sasuke was an entire speed tier above Deidara just faster than Deidara (but not to the point Deidara can’t react) this is pretty self evident from the fight, I’d recommend a reread friend
@@ThunderGodTG are you saying the distance between played no factor, the fact that Deidera only reacted when Sasuke was face to face with him considering the distance between them demonstrates he is a whole level below in terms of speed feats than Sasuke. This argument is also further supported by the fact, he needed Tobi to warn him of Sasuke's position shortly after and his insistence to keep Sasuke at a distance, impeded by land mines and with a barrier of not just distance but altitude.
No this distance actually doesn’t matter since Sasuke used BF to actually get close to Deidara & Tobi. You can’t attack & use BF at the same time it’s just a short term travel speed boost, SO what Deidara actually reacted to was Sasuke’s Combat speed + Sasuke using BF to get close. Another example to how the Raikage used BF to dodge Amaterasu but, can’t actually attack with it which is where Sasuke notices him. You don’t understand how body flicker functions in the series and are ignoring it entirely in this instance.
"Madara is Obito". 😱😱
thank you for the movie tg or thundergod !!
Video isn’t fully over but I will be disappointed if sakumo isn’t on any lists.
I mention him in the vid
Licking the floor of it 😭
Bro tenchi bridge sasuke is low kage level easily. Having him neck and neck with Yamato is craaaaazy.
What does he do with Tenchi Bridge knowledge only no databook that puts him there (no future scaling)
@ He blitzed Yamato and Sai and nearly low diff’d team kakashi with kirin had orochimaru not intervened. Yamato then returned to konoha, told kakashi what happened, to which kakashi responded by saying sasuke is more powerful than him now. It’s really not implied sasuke got much stronger from tenchi to the time he fights deidara/itachi aside from him absorbing orochimaru’s white snake powers.
Yeah so Yamato was still tracking Sasuke on his blitz on team 7, his eyes were still tracking him.
Brother the rest is info that contradicts the premise of the vid & not available to use for Tenchi Bridge, rewatch the intro you skipped it obviously I’m not allowed to use future info to dictate the placements it’s just based on what’s available at the time which is why I don’t mention ANY of that about to make a pinned comment cause mf’s about to make me crash out skipping the intro.
@ so based off your premise of “his eyes were still tracking him”, you’re saying he just lets this man Sasuke stab him in the chest? Make it make sense.
My brother in Christ, I did watch the intro. You stated anything from the DBs fan books etc. Were fair game. So are the feats and statements made during that specific arc NOT APPLICABLE TO THE SCALING?????
Been a fan for years and really respect all the work you do believe it or not. You’re carrying the Naruto fan content on YT right now in my opinion. With that being said, usually, if I disagree with your opinion that “X character is stronger than Y character because Z.”, if the scaling is close, then I’ve always just given you the benefit of the doubt out of a mere difference of opinion. This however, is far too egregious for me to keep quiet about because Tenchi Sasuke scaling to Yamato is not anywhere near close enough to be considered subjective.
me when im in a top 10 strongest ninja contest and my opponent is minato D:
TG can you do a vs battle of Might Guy vs Itachi?
Respect for having Sakura over Naruto in Kazekage Rescue
agreed
41:31 okay this is based
locked in for this one ngl
Ayeee shouts out to Arid Sands @3:00
Question if becoming a jinchuriki of the 9 tails gives you regenerative abilities then why didn’t minato heal from kurama stabbing him through the chest after sealing the 9 tails into him. And we know minato was a jinchuriki at this point because he went directly into kcm immidiately after reviving