Does Scent Control Fool a Deer's Nose? with Dan Infalt and Josh Teulker
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- This is a clip from Live Show #23. Dan Infalt and Josh Teulker discuss activated carbon and scent control for deer hunting.
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I’ve hunted since I was a kid and I’m about 65 years old now. I have used all kinds of gimmicks to try to cover my scent. I’ve used all the sprays, all the scent wafers, kept my clothes in bags of pine limbs, kept my clothes outside the entire hunting season, tried not to sweat walking in to my Stand, used scentless deodorant shampoo and laundry detergent, and I would still get busted by whitetails. Lesson for me is scent covers are a waste of money. So several years ago I stopped spending money on them. Instead I would concentrate on hunting the wind, watching how I walk into my stand, not touching anything, and eliminating unnecessary movement while I’m in the tree. This is what works for me. These scent elimination companies are making a lot of money off gullible hunters. Again this is just my experience and opinion. If you feel they work knock yourself out. But I’ve never had a deer smell me when I was downwind of it.
humans have hunted the wind for hundreds of thousands of years!
Agreed
Yeah that John eberhart thinks it works I don’t believe in it I had it and still got busted the wind is the key
Agreed
I think lowering the scent profile is the goal really, nobody really believes you can hide it - but you can make the deer think you are further away than you are. I only use Dead Down Wind and have watched deer come right down the trail I use and never bust me. I hunt natural elevations and ground hunt, make the wind my friend and it's all good - years now... just saying.
Two styles of hunting here. I use to do the John Eberhart method an ignored the wind. I now exclusively use the wind. Both can work, ( just look at the success on the wall of Dan an John). It's whatever keeps your desire an passion at a high level imo.
Fair
I respect that!!!
I was the exact same, recently just last year I stopped using Scentlok. I do think it does work. I think the whole thing is it's not completely eliminating odor but reducing it that you might be able to fool the deer on how close that deer might think you're at. I just found that I was spending so much time on the scentlok and to be honest I found other camo that is more lighter and warmer. So I'm with ya, just using the wind now.
yeah I caught the most fish on the crappy telescoping rod I keep in my truck - whatever gets you out there lol
John also hunts fairly high in a tree. In most cases his scent is probably blowing over the deer anyway.
I used to do all that stuff, washing clothes, bathing etc... now I just keep the wind in my face.
I would love to see Dan and John Eberhart have a conversation about activating carbon boy would that be a great video
Maybe one day!
civil war
Be even better to set both them loose on a single deer an see who gets it done first ha 🤣 new level of major league hunting
@@Louisiana8critter_getter John kills monster Michigan bucks regularly. Dan hasn't quite figured Michigan out yet. We are a tough nut to crack. Hardest hunted state in the nation.
@@FrogDad556John is a douche wagon
The show "Seek One" did a similar test with a dog a while back. The scent control didn't work one single time. The dog found the guy in all cases.
We’re not talking about scent control we’re talking about activated carbon I personally don’t use it because it is a lot of work but I do believe that it does work there’s a lot of scientific studies the back it up I do appreciate the videos Keep up the great work
As a canine handler for some 26 years it was good to see the video because some 30 years ago we experimented with having our dogs finding the decoy who was wearing scent proof hunting clothes and sprayed down with odor eliminating spray. The dogs found the decoy without any problem every time and the deer have better scent recognition then a domesticated dog. I believe the reason the dog in this experiment found the scent free guy first is because of the cover sprays/ odor eliminating sprays. Think about being outdoors and the dog is smelling chemicals that aren’t natural to the environment. Grass smell and human odor is everywhere, but now the scent eliminating chemicals is something new in the environment.
I want to say that dog went to the sent control guy first because he may have been producing some kind of odor that was new to the dog. The other two guys, he recognized their scent and the scent control guy was new and the dog was curious to find out what that new smell was.
Use scent control and the wind, what's the problem with that?
Great topic. For every deer you see hunting, 10 have smelled you and avoided you. I use scent control to bump the odds up a little. It’s important to try and fool more than one of the deer’s senses, not just their noses. Stealth and playing the wind kill a lot of deer each year.
How do you know 10 deer have smelled you and you never see them? If you never saw them, how would you know?
I’d say it’s an educated guess. Back in the 80s we hunted in leather boots, used kerosene heaters, and thought Ivory bar soap kept out scent down. I saw deer skirt me down wind, and heard several blow out. I don’t know how we ever shot any deer back then. Now, I rarely get snorted, and commonly have deer in close range. Must be doing something right
I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to sell wind🤣🤣
Oh boy I think u needed to bring John Eberhhart in on this conversation.. lol
Great work guys
Good stuff. I'm using milkweed this year. No sprays or lures. I wonder if my hunting clothes are bright. I've only ever washed them in All-Free and Clear and they are a couple years old
Use a cheap UV light in a dark room
The skunk is a good example. We can't stand being 5 feet from a skunk that has sprayed. Meanwhile we can tolerate a skunk that has sprayed 100 yards away. It's not important to eliminate your scent so much as hope that the deer doesn't think you are as close as you are, or to fool them.
Eberhart has accomplished what he has in Michigan. I doubt Dan could top him if he only hunted Michigan with his tactics. He would get busted more often. Moreover he hasn't come close to John's accomplishments even in a substantially less pressured state. My vote is for Eberhart. The mounts don't lie!
Nah John can't get winded. Take away a deers best defense mechanism is worse than baiting imo. Where's the sport in that.
I thought John hunted a lot of private land Dan mostly hunts state land that being said I've seen way more deer on private vs state way less pressure on private land
I think Seek One did a video testing a number of them out with a tracking dog. Dog found them right off the bat. The only thing I've ever found that has worked is when my Wife and I go camping and our bodies and clothes are smoked out completely from the camp fire.
I wear ScentLok because its the only brand that fits me correctly but I do know I need to be out of the wind.. I also dont wear cover scents..
Big fan of Dan Infalt, but I’d really like to see him show John Eberhart some respect. I think he’s earned it.
dan doesnt respect anyone! no one should take it personally
Great topic guys thanks for the advice
I have hunted for 50 years and have done 100 things over the years to lessen my scent including chlorophyll tablets which did help.
“If scent control doesn’t matter, I must be one hell of a hunter”, yes, yes you are Dan lol
I eat tuna fish and pickles.....I see huge deer no matter......they know I won't hurt them so they don't care.....the smell of a true wanton killer predator is much more dangerous 😁
I was about to go to Walmart to get scent killer washing detergent. Thanks guys
We sprayed 2 out of 3 apples with scent killer and put them under our corn feeder. I sat in my stand for a week. The first evening a deer ate the apple that wasn’t sprayed. The other two apples were untouched the rest of the week. No deer even went near them. Does scent killer work? Looked like it worked to me.
You sprayed an apple with baking soda and peroxide, I wouldn't eat it either man
@@tomellendorf7236 🤣 Maybe I should have added that they didn’t even SMELL the apples. Didn’t even put a nose near them. Btw, deer probably don’t eat baking soda very much, but I bet you do. You just don’t know it. 😋
Lol if I was a deer I wouldn’t eat it either
@@TheZinnmasteror whatever the scent was that the spray gives off was bad enough for them to not need to investigate further. That’s what’s ironic to me. I’d use “scent killer” sprays . Then I’d be in the woods and get a whiff of this unnatural commercially made smell, and then think “huh, this scent “killer” spray sure does have an unnatural funny smell “
Dan do you think big bucks bed in a 80 to 100 acre field of corn the majority of the time until the corn is cut and is that why you don't see the bucks earlier in the season?
I seen that episode and the dog found them every time even with the Ozone machine
only way us to play the wind, I've been busted with all the sent controls and shower soaps and laundry stuff I put it to the test today and I took a shower and used laundry detergent and dryer sheets and had clothes in bag and went to my spot put my sweat shirt on outside of the truck, and wiped my hair with the sent eliminator wipes and the spot I knew a buck had been using next to the road about 100 feet from it and I saw him walk right towards me and blew and took off.
If the deer isn’t down wind You stand a better chance of not being smelled with scent products on at close range than you do with body spray on. I don’t believe scent products are supposed to kill a deers nose down wind. I’m sorry I’m just not convinced I can soak my self in axe body spray before I go in and kill a deer at 20 yards if it’s not down wind it just isn’t gonna happen on a clam day of course. Just think about everytime you’ve smelt a woman with spray on in the room regardless if she was down wind or not her spray stinks up the hole area?
Doesn't work but it helps and any advantage when hunting is worth it. Don't ignore the wind and you'll be way further ahead.
I kind of tested this out myself this season. Before, i would shower in scent killer soap and shampoo, sprey myself down and still get blown at. After that, i tried not showering for days after hunting and just played the wind. It worked every time.
Scent control products are the biggest scam ever perpetrated on deer hunters.
Let me say this, if you can smell the scent control soap when you use it the deer can too.
Does rain wash away scent in the woods? I know it helps cover your sound.
I think it depends on the amount of rain. A light rain can help animals smell, dogs included...but a heavy rain or a rain that lasts a couple days definitely. I usually take advantage of a lot of rain to scout whenever possible.
For sure. For me I think t was just dumb luck I ran into many deer when it rains. Eventually I started to pick on their rainy behavior. That day I ran into the mature buck it had been raining moderately for a couple of days.
All depends on the amount of rain. A light drizzle makes the scent better. It keeps the scent from drifting away.
Look up seek one channel they did a show with a K9 and scent control cloths and all kinds of sprays and it was eye opening .
I'm sure activated carbon makes a difference, there's a reason the technology is used in so many other industries. But just because it works for those applications doesn't mean deer can't smell you or that it absorbs all of your odor. Just because it works doesn't mean it works completely. Unless the suit was completely sealed at the cuffs, collar, and waistline there will ALWAYS be air and body odor escaping, even if that scent signature is reduced.
If you believe it helps, by all means use it. I wouldn't be surprised to learn it helps by some percentage... but the logic simply doesn't add up that it absorbs all human odor. That's just not how it works.
Seventh Generation soap has no UV brighteners in it.
I do believe in using scent control but i don’t think it’s 100% effective. I believe if you legit do every step in the process it can give you an advantage if it’s an old mature deer it won’t be fooled. Ebenhardt fully believes he can eliminate all scent and he claims to not even hunt the wind. 🤷
We will never know if it does or doesn’t work because we will never be able to smell like a whitetail.
it doesn’t work lol it’s a fact
@@atcadam You're pretty adamant about that. Can you prove it doesn't work?
@@russelllangworthy8855 no he can’t. Just a keyboard warrior who knows everything about everything🤦♂️
Its all about wind direction
I respect Dan and the hunter he is, but I just can’t get on board with him being so anti scent control. You cannot deny the success that John Eberhart has had with his method. Obviously it works by his results. Both Dan and John’s methods work depending on how you want to hunt
Eberhart is 30ft up. At that height the wind isn't much of a factor anyway.
Scent control is the greatest marketing success in the history of hunting.
@@tomellendorf7236 it’s still a factor. I use his method and don’t get winded
@@TraditionalOutdoors not if you use it correctly
@@dualthreatoutdoors I assume you either sell or are “pro staff” (lol) of scent control. That are you have believed the marketing and are sold on fairy dust and unicorn farts.
Ozonics is worst gimmick of all. Not possible to have your scent covered up by a little machine. Common sense
I agree I don’t believe in ozonics
to me there were no other scents other than human sent. for why the dogs found the sent free guy first
You don’t want to tell Eberhardt the professional hunter this,lol
I bet you can find a surgeon to remove all your human scent glands. I watched a thing on human genes and a lot of eastern Asians are missing a gene the creates human scent in your armpits so I’m pretty jealous of that.
Ozonics?
How about the HECS?
HECS is what I think is the biggest scam ever.
*eberhart enters chat*
The thing I don’t care for about Dan is he has an answer for everything. That screams bull shit. Anyone with half a brain knows the scent control products don’t completely eliminate your scent. But what I imagine it can do is make a deer think you are further away than you really are. Your scent dissipate in the air and I can almost guarantee you that deer know how close you are compared to how strong your scent is. Why do you think deer go just out of shooting range at a known stand location? Part is cover, but guaranteed it’s also the smell as well.
The fact he is using blood hounds who are trained to find humans and a wolf deer in the woods just doing it’s thing is not the same AT ALL. Lmao
I use it to just try an minimize scent as much as possible but I've been building fires in the morning before I hunt an stand in smoke..I'd rather them smell smoke than straight human lol.. because I smell smoke roll thru the woods all the time
@@StealthTRD I’ve thought a lot about using smoke and I’ve thought what you said there at the end and I came to a different conclusion of that I actually don’t smell smoke much at all in the woods. The wild life department will burn every 4-5 years big chunks of land and I could see maybe using it if the area I was hunting was hit by a burn the spring before or something.
@@OklahomaLoneWolf when it'd colder I smell alot of smoke from chimneys an Camp fires.
@@OklahomaLoneWolfmaybe put a cloth out w smoke smell next to a feeder an see how the deer react..I may try something like that
Well any hunting personality is going to have answers, otherwise why would he have a show? The reason I’ll take his answers over most is because he does it on public not a property managed for hunting. If you want to go the scent control route go for it can’t hurt. As far as comparing dogs. What would be a better test? Deer are programmed to smell danger. Human scent is danger to them so to me that’s not a bad test.
Forget the wind. Just hunt
Forget ever shooting a deer while your at it
@@kalebmcdaniel9147 Yeah because John Eberhart can’t kill deer right?🙄🙄🙄
I have a scent control system that works for me. It has put multiple private and public land deer on the wall.
@@deputy2254 same here!
I thought he meant forget about which way the wind is blowing and don’t care about it
We get downwind of a bakery and smell breads a deer would smell all the ingredients. So why would you add anything sent. Anything you add is not what deer smells and I doubt they will be curious too come check it out
No
Not at all, hunters do the to make themselves feel better. If the wind is going their way you’re busted
John Eberhart claims he doesn't play the wind becuase he uses activated carbon. Lol
You sent control or don't you send control just get out there and enjoy the outdoors
In my experience (w/ 78 deer under my belt)...."scent control" products are a joke.
I've been busted more when I was religious about scent control than I have been without.
#1 is wind. If the wind is wrong for your "set"...stay home and do something more productive!
Well can't say it doesn't help a little to get as much smell as possible out of your clothes. And this dog you speak of. Must a been quite the dog cause in 25 years of law enforcement and tons of drug track, as soon as we entered a busy area the dog lost the track.
Go ahead and laugh but I swear by this and I kill multiple deer every season at close range.... but I put marijuana smoke all over my clothes and put them in a bin and leave the bin outside. There's no way I'm going to cover my smell so I might as well make it something they like and I keep my stash in there and these deer love that smell! So instead of trying to hide your smell just make it appealing
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I didn't get winded by the buck because I got high, I let a momma doe walk by because i got high...
I think scent control was more important years ago when people took 20 yrd shots. Now hunters take up to 50 yrd shots. The deer hasn't gotten close enough to smell you if he is up wind or even cross wind of the hunter.
A deers nose is better than a bloodhounds nose, you can use all the scent products in the world and you aint fooling a bloodhound....let alone a mature deer. The only scent control is wind direction.
Ask eberhart about carbon
I mean just use common sense … we don’t live in a perfect bubble. We come from the human world to the deers world . How do you no your not steeping in a gas or oil leak from the guys truck that leaks when your putting on your boots in the parking lot . I’ve tried the ( forget the wind just hunt ) and honestly it was hell and nothing but stress I wasn’t enjoying my self . It’s much easier when I see the milk weed go where I want to go . Enjoy be safe out there .
The spray down is such crap as well
I’ve used the carbon suits for years and had great success. They have to get way closer to smell you and then they aren’t sure. My kill rate doubled
How do you feel about using carbon lines base layers
everything dan says is true and everything john says is true too
1) there is no technoloy on the market that will fool a deer standing right next to you
2) scentlok is very effective at mitigating scent in the field
especially if the wind is in your favor! lol
but really I think the point with a full body scentlok suit is that it keeps most of your scent trapped inside the suit and the gas exchange as it breathes gets slightly treated by the carbon, but probably the biggest benefit is just being a well engineered full body enclosure system
scentlok is a company so obviously their only goal is and should be to push their product and I think its claims are probably some of the least dishonest and gimmicky in the market people are just misunderstanding the claims and testing it out of context with unreasonable expectations but its awesome the mythbusters played with it now lets see some people testing it with wild deer in the field using the proper protocols and documentation
Deer can only see blue and light green don’t wear those colors!
Someone watches too much TV
I like to bathe in sorghum. Old Amish trick
Dan is such a hater. Cutting down on your scent is never a bad thing.( for your mental or the deers nose)He hates on every stand he comes by in the woods, hates on people washing before hunting, hates on any tactic that he doesn’t use,hates on any product but his own...but say something about Mario using a crossbow and it’s “you should be happy he is out there hunting! We are supposed to be a community” it’s getting old...”i wAs MoBiLe bEfOre yOu”
Give me a break not that it matters because I hunt with a crossbow when I feel the urge and I’m perfectly healthy but Mario has a shoulder injury. You do you if a scent suit and some spray builds your confidence go for it. I never heard Dan busting anyones balls for the tactics they use. Who’s being a hater . Dan is not the only guy that has seen scientific studies that scent loc doesn’t work. Hell they even been sued for false advertising years ago because you couldn’t reactivate the carbon at the temp a clothes dryer gets. Dans just saying you don’t have to be rich to go deer hunting nobody has to drop 1000 bucks plus on scent loc suit to kill a whitetail when Wind and milkweed are free.
@@vintage30 Is a Scent-Lok suit $1000 now? I had no idea.
@@vintage30 not talking about sprays talking about activated carbon wait until the patent is up with scentloc You will see a lot of companies have activated carbon And their suits are nowhere near that
@@russelllangworthy8855 Darn close. At Bass Pro in Springfield, last year before inflation, just a top was a couple hundred bucks. Bottoms were similar. Then socks, boots, and balaclava, and you are looking at pretty close to 1000. Prices were similar at Academy and smaller local shops.