The original Vanguard EFI engines used an O2 sensor and closed loop fueling. The Kawasaki competition used open loop. There is no doubt closed loop is more sophisticated and can more precisely adjust for every situation, but this Vanguard rep is trying to sell the new open loop as an improvement when it’s not. It’s a cost savings for Briggs and Stratton.
If it's easy to use then.. It's mowing so the engines must work when the operators are suffering from cesspit-fever. If your State offers an OSSF map then keep your kids off the cesspits.
O2 seniors have à finite life but gradually decay. I doubt sensors got replaced regularly. Thus the engine didn't run right after a few years and people didn't like it.
@@brianhillis3701 I'd say that's nonsense. The O2 sensor is automotive grade and probably the part number crosses to a car. The ones in your car usually last at least 10 years. I'd expect the same from a mower O2 sensor. By then, the mower is possibly at the end of its useful life. If not, a new automotive O2 sensor is probably around $100. Not a big deal.
@@tylermacconnell217 I don't think the lawn mower seniors make it that long and 100 dollars is enough to make people trash the machine and the brand. It looks like planned obsolescence to most people. The change makes maintenance much easier and less frequent for the average person.
I would steer clear of the vanguards. The guy acts like what they have done is brand new tech in this area of small engines but its not, other companies have done this. Out of all the things I have heard and seen on them being in the landscaping business 70% of people dont like them and have opted if given the chance to go with Kawasaki. The Vanguard at one time was a decent engine but its having issues now and briggs as a whole has fell as a company, one of the leaders in small engines. Briggs use to have great dependable, durable long lasting engines, not anymore, they have sub par stuff on many levels now.
Nah, I disagree. The current Vanguards are the cream of the crop when it comes to commercial small engines. They are built just as well as any Kawi engine; oil cooler is standard even on the non Oil-Guard models, and they run just as many hours. Many of the top manufacturers are using Vanguard even when cost is no object because they are the most powerful engines on the market. The Oil-Guard system has been out a few years now and its not offered on any other engine manufacturer in the class. Whether its really worth it or not remains to be seen but if nothing else the oil filter is easier to change and its a larger filter. "Transport Guard" is a nice feature but it doesn't apply to EFI engines.
I completely disagree. The vanguard engines that have been out for at least the past 10 years, are right about equal to the Kawasaki engines. I’ll happily take either of them before a Kohler.
@@Jdspitz2 Had better luck with Honda and Kohler over any Briggs engine, flathead or Vanguard. Vanguards are no longer made by Daihatsu, they come out of the same factory that makes the deplorable Briggs only brand engines. Also, if Briggs really believed in its Vanguard line, why is it that a Briggs company, Snapper puts a Honda GXV160 engine on its top of the line walk behind mower?
@@WJCTechyman It doesn't matter that the Vanguard engines are no longer made by Daihatsu. Unless they now look completely different, they are still made from the same molds and materials as they always have been. They will still look fit, and work exactly that same way, with no difference in performance. And your note about the Honda GXV160 on top of the Sanpper 21" walk behind, is so silly, I'm not even going to waste my time explaining that.
They are nylon but that tells me the rest of that engine is problematic as they continue to make junk and try to tell us it's the next best engine when we know it's just high priced garbage
Agreed. The non-Oil Guard models are still quite easy to change the oil on; you can do an oil and filter change in about 15 minutes or less unless the engine is buried down in the equipment.
I am not up-to-date on the tech. 10/10 on this Vanguard tour. I like seeing the battery engines on a table, it's interesting to visualize the change. Lithium is still very expensive, it costs over $1 in depleted-lithium per 20 minute flight for a mini-drone & $.25 per minute for a fancy-fast-drone. So I imagine mowing with lithium is wildly-expensive still. The batteries don't get endless cycles before they underperform.
@@andyvonyeast332 The Harley, like Briggs, are incredibly loud, noisy engines and Harley vibrated so much you could track one by the bread crumb-esque trail it left down the highway. Harley's engines are now made by Zongshen, the same company that makes PowerMore and Champion's Honda clone engines and generators. Strangely, I find it interesting that both Briggs and Kohler make in essence Honda clone engines. Also, the only reason I can see Vanguard using a dry sump and a large oil tank is because all Briggs engines I have had somehow either eat or leak oil constantly. So something tells me that's still an issue and instead of making an engine to Honda's precision specs, they put the engine literally on life support.
Why the nylon gears Kawasaki had them no good had to replace why dont you make a good reliable engine you use to the old brigs were good so was the old Wisconsin. With the magneto they run no problems used them all day on farm equipment hay conveyors only changed oil once end of each year adjust points in magneto
Had one of the GOOD Vanguards, you know, the ones made by Toyota Group company Daihatsu. I would rather have it than the crappy American made Briggs Vanguards made today. Give me Honda or Kohler over these.
Well, I came to the crude realization that Wallenstein, a fellow Canadian company has changed all of its machines to Vanguard. They used to have exclusively Honda on them and the current model pictures show them with said Honda engines (the key features being the red recoil and fan housing, white fuel tank and black air cleaner and mufflers.
B.S.: Briggs and Stratton, Breaks and Scrap 'em, BullS**t. The Vanguards are no longer a re-badged Toyota Group engine, they're made in the same factory as their other failures pretending to be engines. I still find it interesting that Briggs and Stratton power equipment still uses Honda and Kohler engines. Snapper has a Honda commercial GXV160 on its top of the line walk behind mower.
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The original Vanguard EFI engines used an O2 sensor and closed loop fueling. The Kawasaki competition used open loop. There is no doubt closed loop is more sophisticated and can more precisely adjust for every situation, but this Vanguard rep is trying to sell the new open loop as an improvement when it’s not. It’s a cost savings for Briggs and Stratton.
If it's easy to use then.. It's mowing so the engines must work when the operators are suffering from cesspit-fever. If your State offers an OSSF map then keep your kids off the cesspits.
O2 seniors have à finite life but gradually decay. I doubt sensors got replaced regularly. Thus the engine didn't run right after a few years and people didn't like it.
@@brianhillis3701 I'd say that's nonsense. The O2 sensor is automotive grade and probably the part number crosses to a car. The ones in your car usually last at least 10 years. I'd expect the same from a mower O2 sensor. By then, the mower is possibly at the end of its useful life. If not, a new automotive O2 sensor is probably around $100. Not a big deal.
@@tylermacconnell217 I don't think the lawn mower seniors make it that long and 100 dollars is enough to make people trash the machine and the brand. It looks like planned obsolescence to most people. The change makes maintenance much easier and less frequent for the average person.
Still running a 12 hp flathead, splash lubrication Kohler Magnum for 34 years and counting. Simple, effective and reliable.
I would steer clear of the vanguards. The guy acts like what they have done is brand new tech in this area of small engines but its not, other companies have done this. Out of all the things I have heard and seen on them being in the landscaping business 70% of people dont like them and have opted if given the chance to go with Kawasaki. The Vanguard at one time was a decent engine but its having issues now and briggs as a whole has fell as a company, one of the leaders in small engines. Briggs use to have great dependable, durable long lasting engines, not anymore, they have sub par stuff on many levels now.
Nah, I disagree. The current Vanguards are the cream of the crop when it comes to commercial small engines. They are built just as well as any Kawi engine; oil cooler is standard even on the non Oil-Guard models, and they run just as many hours. Many of the top manufacturers are using Vanguard even when cost is no object because they are the most powerful engines on the market. The Oil-Guard system has been out a few years now and its not offered on any other engine manufacturer in the class. Whether its really worth it or not remains to be seen but if nothing else the oil filter is easier to change and its a larger filter. "Transport Guard" is a nice feature but it doesn't apply to EFI engines.
I completely disagree. The vanguard engines that have been out for at least the past 10 years, are right about equal to the Kawasaki engines. I’ll happily take either of them before a Kohler.
@@Jdspitz2 Had better luck with Honda and Kohler over any Briggs engine, flathead or Vanguard. Vanguards are no longer made by Daihatsu, they come out of the same factory that makes the deplorable Briggs only brand engines. Also, if Briggs really believed in its Vanguard line, why is it that a Briggs company, Snapper puts a Honda GXV160 engine on its top of the line walk behind mower?
@@WJCTechyman It doesn't matter that the Vanguard engines are no longer made by Daihatsu. Unless they now look completely different, they are still made from the same molds and materials as they always have been. They will still look fit, and work exactly that same way, with no difference in performance.
And your note about the Honda GXV160 on top of the Sanpper 21" walk behind, is so silly, I'm not even going to waste my time explaining that.
Great information.
You can't ask him wtf do they need to put a plastic gear inside their so called top of the line engine?
No plastic gears ⚙️ ..
They are nylon but that tells me the rest of that engine is problematic as they continue to make junk and try to tell us it's the next best engine when we know it's just high priced garbage
These guys act like mowing 10 acres a week is nothing but changing the oil on a mower twice a year is unbearable. 🙃
Agreed. The non-Oil Guard models are still quite easy to change the oil on; you can do an oil and filter change in about 15 minutes or less unless the engine is buried down in the equipment.
Ok don’t get it what are they doing with this engine or the battery?
Breaks and scrap 'em
I am not up-to-date on the tech. 10/10 on this Vanguard tour. I like seeing the battery engines on a table, it's interesting to visualize the change. Lithium is still very expensive, it costs over $1 in depleted-lithium per 20 minute flight for a mini-drone & $.25 per minute for a fancy-fast-drone. So I imagine mowing with lithium is wildly-expensive still. The batteries don't get endless cycles before they underperform.
Club Car new battery tech just dropped...
Yeah plastic gear. Nope.
NO THANK'S.
Been in this industry 35 years. Once again the cookie has been over complicated.
nylon gears? hard pass...
Dry sump is not new has been used for years. A good example is the Harley Motorcycle.
Exactly correct, it’s nice to see Briggs has found the new, 1936 Harley Davidson technology! The 1936 Harley Knucklehead used a dry sump system.
@@andyvonyeast332 The Harley, like Briggs, are incredibly loud, noisy engines and Harley vibrated so much you could track one by the bread crumb-esque trail it left down the highway. Harley's engines are now made by Zongshen, the same company that makes PowerMore and Champion's Honda clone engines and generators. Strangely, I find it interesting that both Briggs and Kohler make in essence Honda clone engines. Also, the only reason I can see Vanguard using a dry sump and a large oil tank is because all Briggs engines I have had somehow either eat or leak oil constantly. So something tells me that's still an issue and instead of making an engine to Honda's precision specs, they put the engine literally on life support.
Why the nylon gears Kawasaki had them no good had to replace why dont you make a good reliable engine you use to the old brigs were good so was the old Wisconsin. With the magneto they run no problems used them all day on farm equipment hay conveyors only changed oil once end of each year adjust points in magneto
Had one of the GOOD Vanguards, you know, the ones made by Toyota Group company Daihatsu. I would rather have it than the crappy American made Briggs Vanguards made today. Give me Honda or Kohler over these.
Just get a honda, never look back.
Well, I came to the crude realization that Wallenstein, a fellow Canadian company has changed all of its machines to Vanguard. They used to have exclusively Honda on them and the current model pictures show them with said Honda engines (the key features being the red recoil and fan housing, white fuel tank and black air cleaner and mufflers.
Batteries……..Fire fire fire
I wouldn’t have wasted my time with his B.S.
And I didn’t with this video.
B.S.: Briggs and Stratton, Breaks and Scrap 'em, BullS**t. The Vanguards are no longer a re-badged Toyota Group engine, they're made in the same factory as their other failures pretending to be engines. I still find it interesting that Briggs and Stratton power equipment still uses Honda and Kohler engines. Snapper has a Honda commercial GXV160 on its top of the line walk behind mower.