The Biggest Myth About Playing Bass With a Drummer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2020
- Unleash your inner drummer!
That’s the feeling you get jamming along with your favourite drummer - bass amp cranked, laying into every kick drum pattern. But some bass players don’t do it properly.
In this video Ian Allison and Steve Goold break down some common misconceptions about the concept of “locking in” with a drummer. They’ll also guide you through some rhythm section challenges that will sharpen your focus and help level up your sense of rhythm. The trick is to think like a drummer!
As always, see you in the shed…
Scott :)
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3:20: The old "know when to not play" technique. I use it so much, that most of the time, I just stand there. In fact I just stand there at a very high level of ability. It's really the best part of my bass playing.
Lol!! That's the best comment I've seen in awhile!!
😂😂😂
Yup ! we say less is more (I sometimes joke our silent gaps are the most musical bits we play).
Also does no harm to miss out the bass in just the entry chorus or verse - it adds texture to the mix
I wondered why Scott was doing a fake American accent for far longer than I should have
it's not Scott
😂😂
Same! For real 😭
lol beat me to it.
And lost his glove.
Got me too. 😂😂
I just wanna point out that Ian's energy in all of his videos is so great. Like he's crazy positive and open.
Ian's enthusiasm and energy are incredible. So positive and also so intent on communicating good content. Not just a love fest but always an actual lesson.
agreed! i vibed with him the whole time!
I’m lucky enough to know Ian personally and what you see in these videos is basically what he’s like all the time. Could NOT be a nicer guy...always brings a wellspring of positivity and good vibes along with him.
Conversation between musicians, no matter the technical level, is always fasinating. And with the right attitude, it feels like building something great together.
“I totally felt that, and enjoyed it”
May I reach around and...
Ikr.
Love it! More videos about the bass player - drummer relationship please! I feel this topic isn't discussed enough. The key to a rock solid rhythm section is being one with your drummer, and not every bassist/drummer are compatible. When you and a drummer lock in, it is a special thing! Keep up the great work guys!
I guess you didn't get the point they are trying to show...
Seems like the drummer can also lock in with the bass player or either one can step out and come back in as long as the other one knows what to do in those situations. Very interesting video. I'm still learning.
@@donh5794 absolutely, it goes both ways. Every relationship is a give and a take and the Drummer/Bassist one is no different. Knowing how and when to do either is when you really are grooving.
Couldn't agree more. I've had some drummers be like "Dude, lock into my kick drum. The reason you exist is to accent my kick and make my kick more punchy." And I'm like, either:
A: "Dude, how am I supposed to lock in when you're not keeping a consistent beat?"
B: "Dude, that rhythm closes off the resonance of the bass, or is more tricky to count on bass than drums."
or C: "You know, I don't feel that serves the song or the groove."
It's not a hardfast rule that should always be used. It has its time when it is exactly what is needed, and other times when it is not what's needed.
So many of the best bass lines don't follow any of the "rules" we always hear. Take the bass line from the Beatles' "Something" for example. It doesn't lock with the kick, it doesn't lay down a rhythm foundation, it doesn't stick to the lower strings. Instead, it acts more as a melodic instrument. And it adds so much more to the song that way.
At the same time, you can break the rules so much more effectively if you know what they are and can function in that way, too. The more versatile you are as a player, the more you can add regardless of what else is going on.
Eso es cierto...
@@iplaysdrums I totally agree with you. You have to know what you're doing and that comes with experience. You can get experience through practice, study, or listening to and imitating others. But you don't want to be flailing about.
The possibilities are endless!
@@rome8180 failing about is ALSO what makes experience and discovery.
If you want to get your own thing, you got to try and find it. And finding 'right stuff' also means finding 'wrong stuff' along the way. It's ok to try, it's ok to fail. If you're ot making mistakes it means you're not trying. Don't be afraid to fail.
as a drummer that has been playing bass for a couple years, this is really really helpful. Not to mention for people who haven't had experience in a band or played music with other rhythm section players, this is an awesome video to crack it. I'm hoping that I'll be able to catch a couple more of these sessions in the catalogue. Great content here.
The Barrett brothers in Bob Marley's band are a perfect example where the bass and drums don't always play off each other, Carlton Barrett (drums), Aston Barrett (bass). Reggae with its off beat riddim. GREAT VIDEO
Finally someone giving respect to reggae bass players. One of the styles people think it’s easy to play.
Umm Hmmmm!!!, oh YEAH! They were SO amazing!
This is really on the money. So often as a bass player you hear these 'lock with the kick' comments leaking through in interviews etc, and yet in real life situations we're all just thinking 'yea but that's just not always possible or practical'.
spot on
Gotta say, you are usually my go-to address for everything bass-related, but this combination and the perspective you are giving has been one of the best rhythm-section lessons I've had, so thanks for that. Also you guys seem to have a really good understanding of one another, musically speaking. More of that, please!!!
The dialogue while live playing really drove the feeling of the lesson. Please, more vids like this!
Ian and Steve were so in the pocket and Creative at the Same Time Genius indeed way too Go Scott 👍
More. 👏🏻 Ian. 👏🏻 Allison. 👏🏻 Videos. 👏🏻 PLEASE. 👏🏻
Loved this representation of rhythm section issues. As a bassist, it can be difficult to "sync up" with a drummer you don't normally play with, or have never played with. This demonstration of having more than one option is a great reminder of how amazing playing together can be
I could listen to these two talk about music for hours.
It structures what I always felt that there should be options. Have to admit I looked angry at a drummer when he wouldn't be consistent. Now I know how to react and what to do. Very practical lesson, it improved a lot for me. thank you Scott!
Really pleased with the course this channel has taken. I appreciate it, keep up great work!
Great show Scott as always, the lads have added ingredients which are forgotten about quite easy and a great help to our younger maestros. The rymthm section as always been a divide and rule for me a time and place for unity and a time and place to shine.
Oh I am just super early, just want to say Scott is probably what turned me into a music nerd and made sure I didn't quit bass as an impulsive 14 year old
As both a bassist and a drummer I find this so enjoyable. I love rhythm sections working together! Now, I'm just off to work out who I am.
Thanks Scott, cited your video yesterday to my band who thinks the bassist must lock with the kickdrum and drummer pattern.
I love this channel. I learn so much watching y'all and occasionally get the pat on the back (like on this video) confirming that something I've been doing instinctively is, in fact, a tried and true approach. I think that locking with the kick or not is really about what feel you're going with for the song, as you ably demonstrated. When I'm working up new songs with my drummer there's always a bit of push-pull as we figure out where thingsare headed and what suits the song best.
I love Ian! Really enjoyed his videos that he did breaking down his parts on Eric Hutchinson's album from a few years ago. So positive! So upbeat!
Really enjoyed the drum to bass perspective. It helped me better understand the possibilities of rhythm changes and solo options from the drummer's point of view. Great job!
I gotta say this dude great. Probably my favorite guest on this channel.
Great video. So many ways to play in and out and listening to each other is key. Drums and bass can get almost telepathic - so one of you leaves space the other fills it. Or dynamic one of you brings things soft a staccato and you both head that way. Love it.
Who are these guys?!? They're cool teachers!!
HI! I’m Ian and the drummer is Steve Goold. If you’re ever on Instagram, both of us are super active on that platform.
As a longtime drummer who is a prospective bassist, these videos are awesome and beyond helpful!
Thank you so much for making this so easy to understand. You guys are awesome!
There are drums & bass jam videos on youtube but none of them are having as much fun as these two, even by playing only a couple of bars of seemingly simple patterns...
Pretty Please with Sugar on Top publish a video Ian and Steve playing, improvising, having fun, switching roles supporting the other and using the expressive space.
These guys are so good. They explain some really great concepts very well. Plus their groove is so darn good. Awesome video.
Great video. I can't wait to do this course!
Excellent examples and explanations. I'm a bass player and most of the time I play with my son who is an awesome drummer. We know how each other thinks and feels the rhythm. We make a great team.
These guys are great. I could watch and listen to them talk and play all day!
This is the course I’ve longed for. It explains a bunch!!
Oh shoot that's my old drum teacher! He is an AWESOME guy!
This was incredibly cool and helpful; I'd definitely love to see more videos about playing with a drummer and about the drummer - bass player interactions (maybe how to sync up fills or something like that).
They’re so cordial to each other to the point it looks like they’re being sarcastic
hey guys, great lesson. thanks for adding context to the relationship between drums and bass!
Love the conversation, boys. So many times in my early years of learning to play bass, the guitarist would tell me I HAD to match the kick drum. If it helps the bassist and/or the drummer keep time, that's one thing. But this was more of an assumption that it's how things SHOULD be. It's not as though neither me nor the drummer could keep a beat. We had a piped in ticker in our earpiece to help us with the rhythms.
That was a great video i' have had coversations with my drummer about this subject, really cool to see my ideas on this vindicated! and it sounded awesome guys!
Thank you. I always felt it was not necessary to lock in totally.
Love these guys , Thanks for this
I am a drummer and I was the one who had to follow the bass line with my kick
Most the bass players I had played with (not sure if it was selfish or ego) had a attitude that I had to follow them
I thought the opening bit saying that the bass had to follow the kick was sort of strange but at the same time wonderful to hear.
Knowing now it’s a mix of both drummers and bass players that make it groove.
I am a easygoing drummer and like to listen and play along with a bass line, if the bassist suggests some part for me to emphasise, I enjoy their feedback and try to work that into our combined rhythm line.
Most the bassist’s I played just demanded I follow and do exactly what they want.
A good rhythm line was played but no groove or enjoyment was felt while playing the song.
Just listening to these two I understand now what can be accomplished when it’s cooperating rhythm section.
Now to find a unselfish and less egotistical bass player to grove with.
And before you slam me for that last bit
I know not all bass players are like what I had to play with
I just had bad luck with always finding the players who dreams and egos where bigger than their talent at playing their instruments (I definitely can add guitarist’s too that as well)
I’m not the greatest drummer or amazing in my playing, just I simply enjoy playing music and like to know that the ones I jam with are similar.
I leave my ego in my snare case and just play.
I know that there are musicians out there who are the same.
That was eye opening. I've carried that lock in rule with me for way too many years.
Great content Scott, this is soo spot on...concepts not rules!
Best lesson I've seen on this subject. So important.
great topic ideas
a lot to talk about, guitar & keyboard conversation, playing inside and outside, thank you for this simple and powerful concept
Lol this is so pleasant. It's like the homies jamming on some molly 😂
Such a great video. Will look the course up 👍
This is great. It’s stuff I’ve been doing naturally now it has meaning:)
Thank you. I used to play in a band where the self proclaimed band leader always insisted that I should follow the kick drum, but I've always thought that the groove comes from playing against drum patterns and creating new rythms. Unfortunately he wasn't very fond of discussions. I don't play with them anymore.
smart move
So inspiring!
Would click multiple times for this one. Great teachings here! Thanks guys!
I always enjoy Ian’s videos 👍🏻
Great topic. Great talk on such. TY
Such a great lesson!
That was awesome. I will watch anything with Ian Allison! He is fantastic! Just joy when he plays. I loved the "Adam Clayton 8th notes" comment. I love Clayton's bass lines and he was a big influence when I started playing. Absolutely nothing wrong with playing 8th notes the whole song. And as was pointed out, it allows the others in the band to shine. That's fine with me. I didn't pick up bass to do solos.
I want a million of these bass & drum videos. Please , a million! : D
I am a drummer who can’t play bass. I was told, very early on, NOT to play exactly what the bass player plays, as it just muddies up the bass line. Instead, find something that compliments it - usually something a bit simpler, but not always…. I nearly came to blows in one group with a bass player who had the solid conviction that I must play exactly what he plays and he screamed at me “every time I play the pattern - you change it!”. That was many years ago…. I trust we’ve both wised up a bit, now.
I gotta watch that full video. I've been blessed by playing with some great, flexible drummers, and some.... not. It's good to understand your options.
Oh man, I miss playing with a drummer... it's been four years since I've played in a band.
That was so useful....thanks from the UK
Really enjoyed this one!
I've been playing bass for over 20 years and this entire time I thought "locking on with the kick" was exactly what you guys were doing in your examples that defy that principle. Never thought it was a 1/1 thing, just a "sync the rhythms, start the time segments together" thing lol
Explained soooo many things ..Thank you
Yes! Meshing with a drummer outside of the "lock with the kick" mentality is such a beautiful thing!
Another option is letting the bass player choose the tempo, beat and feel and then the drummer has to lock with them - that can create some very interesting power-duo type grooves.
Scott looks, Different.
I'm aware it's not scott just play along.
Finally a break from “duuuuuuudes”
he does, it must be the glasses
Seems like they have a fairly strict dresscode for bassplayers in SBL
he's not wearing the gloves
It may be the glasses....🤣😂
Great video you guys should do more of this
I hate Scott's american accent. I used to love him when he sounded English, I guess its all those New York trips :)
🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
This is great! Well explained, well felt.
More of these!
Nice and good to refresh how to play with other musician Thanks
Excellent.
I started with metal. Formative years filling every crevice and opportunity with furious note runs. Drums were there to be locked with, but I was so busy keeping up with the songs identifying the kick specifically to lock with was not on the radar let alone writing bass lines around the drums.
Kinda cool now, decades later, to be able to use kick lock as a "trick" in song writing. I guess I approach it differently than most. Above vid starts with the kick lock and shows how to branch off from it where I will occasionally simplify down to it. I certainly lock with my drummer in general, but the spots I drop to or come out of just thumps on the kick thumps creates neat intentional vibe shifts in songs.
Thank you Ian and Steve
I always wonder if the drummer is liking what I'm playing as a bassists this helped me to know there are options
I actually like following the hi hats when needed. So when it does a galloping rhythm, I’ll follow that on Beats 1 + 4 whilst still going away from locking completely with the drums
Hot topic, thanks guys, simply done and how efficient!
great and helpful
I love this video so much, just like listening to them talking and jaming
I'm not a musician but a Newby pianist trying to improve on my left hand technique. But I wasted a lot of time learning jazz chords without having a complete understanding of triads and music theory. And I discovered the Rule of the Octave, and that led me to learning Thoroughbass. I'm probably preaching to the choir, but Baroque music was taught from the bassline. I'm going back to the beginning to learn my basics. This sounded like a great lesson, and I'll apply it to the cadence exercises I'm trying to learn.
Guys, you just made me really want to be in a band, or have a friend who can drum.
Would be groovy!!! :)
That may be the coolest looking jazz bass I've ever seen. And that drum kit is sexy as hell.
I'd probably buy this course as a stand alone if it was made available.
I'm not much in to (because I'm still trying to learn more musical concepts) the advanced musical topics. But this relates 100% with my average Joe bass player experience. Makes me want to go jam with just a drummer. Cheers
Awesome video by both they really understand one another 🎸💜
These guys have given me so many light bulb moments. You guys are such a great help, keep them coming
Loved thisepisode. Learned a lot. So hard to find information specifcally about this subject. Would like to see you do that same thing with Solo and Rttym R&B/Funk guitars, Latin Percussion Players, etc.
I’m a drummer turned bassist. Great video. Always felt them two are a partnership. Depending on the music, and how it feels, it’s great to compliment or lock in with each other. Without the rhythm section clicking, the rest of the band falls apart and loses the groove and feel.
Amen
Drummers turned bassists are the best bassists.
The chemistry is adorable. Also, top, top content. Really great stuff.
The biggest thing to learn here (imho) is the super respectful and supportive way these guys are communicating! ❤️
It's much more fun to play with nice people, although not really beasts as musicians, than "great musicians ", who aren't so nice people...
(Of course you can't always choose with whom you're playing, especially if you need to make a living by playing...)
EDIT: these guys, of course, seem to be both great musicians as well as awesome dudes!
Morecambe and Wise have found funk - love it
What I rarely see covered well is beat placement between the drummer and bassist. It would be great to hear what it sounds like when, for example the bassist is laying back on the beat or is on top of the beat relative to the drummer and how decisions like that affect the feel of the rhythm section. And most critically, how to learn to hear these subtleties and really dial that pocket in.
All in the course!
@@IanMartinAllison Excellent.
Great video!!!
This is why i love music and playing with friends
Edit: I didn’t notice that it wasn’t Scott until I read the comments
I think it has to be a choice. I sometimes lock with the kick drum because it makes sense in context, but often i will just play 16th notes and let the drummer loose. But also sometimes they'd play something consistent and I use the mentality: I'm always with the drum but the drum isn't always with me.
Love that!! need more I think for me at least, so do whatever but thanks that was super cool :)
You are amazing!
Nick Lowe once said when he was getting started as a bass player he would play a note every time the snare was hit.