The Newest PDW Sucks | Strike Industries SMC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ม.ค. 2025
- I just realized Strike SMC is redundant. SMH my head.
Yeah, I dunno. This review was quite the roller coaster ride. Bad, good, bad good.
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My Tp9 also broke.
PDW USERS ARE MALDING RIGHT NOW.
What happen?
Bro. Flux has solved their logistics issues. They’re IN STOCK and getting more weekly.
Just users of this POS. No one here is sure why anyone would believe that strike industries thing is going to be of any quality at all.
PDWcels on suicide watch
@@bljdeep your alternative is this POS? Flux had 22k attempts to buy. No fading any time soon. Especially with trash like Strike around.
Reject modern PDWs. Return to stocked artillery Luger.
I really wonder how good it would be with an forward mounted reddot... But its kinda sakrileg to do so.
@@uwesca6263 Go for it, it's the Gigachad way!
We got to go back even further. Stocked revolvers baby
@@BlueJayWaters we gotta go back even further. Stocked knives
@@RosaParksWasWyt stocked knives are called spears
I really don't understand why nobody can get this right with larger production and a lower price point. Good video; thanks for testing it so much. Headed out to the outdoors to shoot on Friday. We only have a flat range but we can run up to 50 yards on the pistols and shooting at 25+ really puts a spin on things.
The raider is in stock right now and restocking again tonight. They fixed their mold issue they are mass producing them now
*Recover Tactical!*
$60-$100, standard or large frame, pick your Glock. Combined cost + extortion tax (if you choose), still costs less.
Lighter, fraction of the cost, and ZERO issues.
@@WhiteDragonSecurity I own several, and they definitely have issues. Most of all with holding zero with optics, or being accurate out past about 25yd since the gun wobbles so much in the clamshell. I would like to figure out a clever way to get rid of the wobble because they are fun to shoot, but as soon as I got my hands on a B&T USW320 the Recover rigs got thrown waaaay back in the pecking order.
@@innercityprepper I could definitely see the plastic-to-plastic-to-optic add-on option causing the wobble issue, but if your optic is slide mounted, the issue is non-existent.
@@WhiteDragonSecurity I've got with with the plastic optic mount and one with the "GB20" which is a metal glass breaker front end, but the actual flex that causes zero shift out past a certain range seems to be less the material than the fact that the gun can wobble inside the frame, and the frame is what the optic is "zeroed" to (as it's attached to the brace itself) -- all that said, yes slide-mounted optic would solve that. However when you count the price of an optic-cut slide and a decent optic there goes the savings from going with a Recover. At that point you could go with a (now finally available) Flux and a cheap/good optic like a Romeo5 and have a better setup all around for roughly the same price.
It's so nice to find someone who reviews firearm stuff without a bunch of memey bullshit to fill in the holes left by conjecture. Well done!
Awesome review! SPOT ON!!! I have one of these too and got 600 rounds thru it with ALL the same issues. You forgot to mention the Charging handle that comes with it and how that will break every 200 rounds! Strike has sent me 2 replacement charging handles and both have broke. Same issues with the tiny rear screws for me and the back milling of the slide/optic plate… I REALLY wanted to like this setup, but the fact is that it is just a good prop for IG pics lol😂 Strike has loss my trust after this failed money grab project😢
My friend bought a PVS14 from nightline and loves it. They have great savings on high quality units.
Talking about PDWs, does anyone else miss the Magpul PDR?
Magpul, take my money!
The desert tech mdrx micron seems like it's the next closest thing now.
Dude I forgot about the PDR, that was what like a a decade or more ago? I see dude rock airsoft versions once in a while.
Note to all: Magpul fmg9 type is the only correct pdw ☝️
It was my favorite PDW when Battlefield 4 was in its prime. Why do video games have to torture us with such cool weapons that end up getting discontinued, let alone don't make it past the experiment phase?
That Republic Commando reference tho 👌
Republic Commando's helmet HUD was awesome.
It's as horrible as Deus Ex 2 😂@@agentoranj5858
When?
When you realize Czech tankers had the peak PDW 60 years ago.
If only it was in 9mm or even .380 acp…
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 the one true caliber bois are gonna be mad at you lol. Good thing they’re packing such an anemic round
@@Matt-xc6sp I had an opportunity to buy a VZ61 in great condition about 5 years ago but the .32 cartridge made me walk out of the deal (I would be ok with .380acp). But I loved how small it was. It’s so incredibly compact next to a Uzi or MP5! To this day I still wonder if I should have bought it, but if I ever get my hands in a proper 9mm PCC like a B&T, I know I’m never going to shoot that .32acp and I’m not much of a collector.
@@VincitOmniaVeritas7 they make em in both 9mm and .380
@@nono-jj9rr I’ve heard about the .380 but never came across one. Are sure about the vz61 in 9mm? Wasn’t it the Skorpion evo 2?
Not interested in the PDW. Here for the dog footage.
Seriously tho, this is why I love you and Hop. You guys bring real gear. Including a lot I've never seen before. Makes me consider other options. Not just the same Aimpoint, Nightforce, JPC, blah blah gucci crap everyone else reviews. It is appreciated.
Easily becoming one of my favorite channels, great work
Better PDW is something purpose built with a holster in mind, like the vz61 scorpion.
It does fit a holster with the 10rnd mag, and also has options for 20/30rnd mags.
They make modern versions in .22LR, .32ACP and even .380 ACP.
I need a vz61, bad
@@BrassFacts In Czech republic they're *everywhere* and *cheap* (400CZK=190USD) Import wouldn't make them that much more expensive, so maybe look for who who exports these states-side? like CZ-USA
@@foxtrotunit1269 Czechpoint import them. The go for around $850, but are always out of stock. They currently have the .380 in stock though
@@DFogify Ah nice. But 850$ is funny money seriously, who would pay *that* much for this "soviet lada" of guns lol
Where’s your cape from? Also, the safety absence made this a no go for me out the gate. 😮
I was seriously considering buying this setup, I am so glad you have a video on this
Those were a lot of R&D points that have to be corrected. And no pic rail, too? It makes me wonder if the prototype version file was loaded into the CNC instead of the rollout file. Nice to see Nova still has some pup in her!
Raider is in stock right now Up in the restock again today at seven pm mountain time Flux got their mold problem fixed they are pumping them out on the right now
Republic Commando played a huge part in my upbringing to be interested in firearms lmao
I remember getting toy guns from the dollar store and making my cousins larp out Republic Commando tactics with me
Did anyone else burst out laughing when he just sploinked his pdw into the snow at 5:25 lol
Bro was like nah I’d rather glock
Would love yo see you do a video on the upcoming SMC Bravo, it's a one peice polymer version sans optic mount.
Republic commando was such a good game, that helmet hud view was super annoying though and seemed to exist only to showcase the visor-wipe animation.
You shut your whoee mouth. That was a worthy sacrifice for for the visor-wipe animation.
The bloodstains and windscreen wipers were the best parts. I wish more games would think about continuity and immersion like that rather than having the blood effects just fade away.
Damn was actually looking to get one of these over the flux raider because of the brace mounting options and their planned "alpha" version/conversion that adds a top rail. Might just wait for a gen 2 version instead
Thanks for the honest review and for giving it more than a fair shake.
Another example of Strike Industries' form over functionality design
Now that they have the Bravo model of these, and supposedly a Charlie model at shotshow 24, I wonder if the issues Brass identified have been remedied?
Had me worried with the Nova stuffed animal last video with Hop. I love the Nova clips at the end, definitely your trademark
I was just looking at your pdw videos like the TP9 and Flux. I just now ordered the flux bc it's in stock
please do the bravo version. 🤣🤘🏻
Good video hopefully strike industries takes your review to heart and works on the problem
haha. Ha... :(
@@BrassFacts lol I know right
Concise, detailed, and well-explained review as always. Opinions on using that Steiner MPS vs. an ACRO when the optic has to be that close to your face? I know the T-2 is a better option but the gun I'm using pulls out of the bag much easier with the pistol optics.
I thoroughly enjoyed your videos on the civilian PDW concept and the get home bag! If I may contribute something: In addition to on-body concealability, one of the criteria you mention for a PDW is that the gun be able to fit into a bag without becoming the predominant object in said bag. With that in mind I posit that a bag with a separate, dedicated laptop compartment is ideal.
A separate compartment with its own zipper or buckle allows the user to access the rest of the bag with no chance of accidentally revealing the gun while still maintaining rapid accessibility. There is a greatly decreased risk of the PDW snagging on another item during deployment. Laptop messenger bags and backpacks are also quite common in many places and thus do not stand out. Finally, the gun can be more quickly (and safely) stowed if one wishes to return to the covert state and on-body concealment is not an option.
Your definition of a PDW as having a
Great thoughts, thanks dude
@@BenfromFlux Appreciate it Ben! Coming from the guy who thought up the Raider, that’s a real compliment! I understand that you’re focused on the production of existing product at the moment, but I’m really excited to see what you do with the P365 Raider when that comes
@@shootinbruin3614 me too, it’s going to be dope. Smaller and yet still as shootable, made for on-person concealment.
@@BenfromFlux Looking forward to it! For ultimate concealment, I'm putting mine in a diaper bag and calling it the Baby Raider haha
@@shootinbruin3614 😂 noice
Just ordered their newest version. Fingers crossed
That is crazy you had so many issues, I have 2 of these and love them. 0 issues and tons of fun. Granted I loc-tited everything from the get go nothing has come loose even once. I did not drop test and don't think it has ever taken a fall aside from recoil . Kind of sounds like you got a lemon, I found the grip comfortable and easy to hold. (even my mom likes it) no sharp or hot spots. 🤷
10:15 what is that towel thingy youre wearing called?
Don't trust the guy at the end of the video. Reminds me of that one who shows up at the dog park without a dog. No dog fun without having to pick up poop. Put in the damn work.
As someone who JUST played Republic Commando for the first time yesterday, I know EXACTLY what you mean.
Again some of the best content around.. thanks for the info!!
Have you taken a look at the side charging MPA defenders that accepts glock 17 mags. As far as a PDW goes you have to spend money to add a mounting point for a stock and its heavier then the TP9 but it competes in size. It also has 1/2 - 28 thread pitch making it easier to suppress. Id enjoy to see a video on one given you get the chance too.
*Recover Tactical!*
$60-$100, standard or large frame, pick your Glock. Combined cost + extortion tax (if you choose), still costs less.
Lighter, fraction of the cost, and ZERO issues.
Tier 1 citizen has some great info on this subject. Optic mounted on the brace is a bad idea.
it works when it works. But a lot of companies half ass it.
Alright man. I’m starting to really enjoy your pep talks and contrasting them with other TH-camrs. Very thought provoking and makes for some interesting conversations.
Can you do some more of this urban/shtf/bug out scenario videos? Ie: with zombies, foreign invasion, 3rd world demotion, while Asian, in the mountains, snow, rural - while maintaining your load out theme.
Slick pistol transition when your primary pistol went down.
Is it possible to use a p320 with a safety with this or the flux?
Can you review the SMC Bravo version? One piece chassis and angled brace so you can use a slide mounted optic. Maybe a budget alternative to P365 raider? Not polymer and slightly bigger due to being 320 based but also half the price and actually available
Hey just wanting to let the gang know. The flux raider is in stock right now
Great timing on this video, I was considering getting one of these.
You can find RMR cut picatinny rail sections. How well they work, I have no idea... but they exist.
but then you're playing adapter tetris. And no one wants to play adapter tetris
Could you not mount an optic to the slide and just remove the brace mounted option?
I was going to say this
Brass Facts and Hop = best reviewers.
Thanks for the review, had a P320 I never shoot and was considering getting this.. maybe gen 2 will be a winner.
Update to this now a year later, a new version of this chassis has hit the market and looks to be one giant piece instead of split with those small screws, it is currently available at midway
>And no, there are already a couple holsters on the internet [for the TP9/Flux Raider] that you can't realistically buy.
I bought a holster for my Raider from Strike80 that works just fine.
that literally just came out.
@@BrassFacts IDK what to tell you, man, I bought it last July
Any chance you’ll be doing a T&E on the new Ruger LC Charger in 5.7? This seems like the PDW I’ve been waiting for. I might even jump through the hoops and sbr one.
You just 'f-this trash' ditching the SMC at 5:27 is hilarious, awesome, and seems to pretty much sum up your review.
Love the grip module. I don’t want to run the stock on it just the 1911 grip
Brass facts always be shooting at my shooting spot
Is that thing made in US?
Congrats on almost getting to 75k subs, i can remember when you had 9k n it wasnt that long ago. Good shit!
not even that long ago. Kinda weird.
I'm not blowing up like some youtubers. but I'll take steady growth as well. Means my viewers are more hard earned/loyal.
So happy I went with the flux raider
That's to bad 😒 strike stop putting form over function. I appreciate the honest and thorough review
Love the sasquatch footage at the end.
1. When you start the video with 'in theory' or 'on paper' it all goes downhill from there lol. You said partway through the video that you were going to get to the bad stuff, I was like 'wait, how much of the stuff before this was actually unambiguously good?'
2. PDW concept now batting below or at Mendoza line.
3. It's also not red anodized, which is just a disappointment to IronsightED
That's a badass car range! I wish I had something similar around my area.
Yeah your right. Just here for the doggo 😂😂
You should cover the USW 320
WHY CAN'T WE JUST HAVE A COOL PDW THAT WORKS AAAAAAA
PDW gang just taking straight Ls
B&T USW? I'd love to see that on this channel.
@@BrassFacts no cap fr fr 💯
*Recover Tactical!*
$60-$100, standard or large frame, pick your Glock. Combined cost + extortion tax (if you choose), still costs less.
Lighter, fraction of the cost, and ZERO issues.
@@WhiteDragonSecurity that flimsy plastic brace that doesn't allow you to use anything but a red dot? No. Lol.
“Here on the ass facts channel…” bwahaha 😂😂😂😂 hilarious
Hey Brass Facts, do you think someone will make a pdw chassis system for a 5.7 caliber pistol?
There used to be one for the ruger 5.7 but I believe it’s no longer produced
@@MyLonewolf25 I just think that with the resurgence of 5.7 in the form of pistols, a pistol chassis kit like the SMC or Flux Raider for 5.7 pistols further closes the gap between dedicated PDW and pistol platforms if you get what I mean.
@@bullpupgaming708 I agree. I think the pdw concept is better for large framed pistols anyway shooting rounds like 357 sig, best MM (10mm), or 45
yes, but why. Atm the caliber is stupid expensive, anemic, and we can't really get the correct round for it.
@@BrassFacts Quit being poor. All pistol calibers are anemic, at least you get more round capacity in 5.7. Get the proper round for it :).
Nova derp - love it
PS - someone find me a designer who can make a Halo 3: ODST SMG chassis using P320 parts.
@BrassFacts any thoughts on the SMC Bravo, the polymer frame version?
What if they put the optic above the muzzle? Way out there in front.
Sounds like a perfect pair, Sig also half designs their stuff and essentially sells you an engineering sample that may or may not make it too an iteration that will be a quality reliable firearm.
Sigs are quality and reliable. Stop listening to cheap internet gossip.
They are neither. I am going off experience, both first and second hand.
@@Mitsurugi2424 They are both. Case closed.
would you ever consider trying something like the 3d printed invader? i know 3d printing stuff isnt exactly great but the options for this class of PDW are few.
I think if you go 3d printing, the 3011 design, it uses a 1911 slide with a AR trigger group.
@@zedhiro6131 you should look up the invader it's literally flux raider at home but the only downside is the additive manufacturing, if you could injection mold it an argument could be made it might be better than the raider
You're the best guy on the internet singing the praises of the pdw chassis you've sold me on the idea, have you tested out the CAA micro roni yet? I'm torn between that and the recover tactical.
Neither of those are more than range toys. If you want to get one, get one, just don’t trust your life to either.
please do the bravo one. Seems to me most issues are solved on that one
i could see a pic rail optic mount being released in the future
Thanks for a honest review
how about the b&t pdw? yeah its spendy but if its reliable might be worth it?
Sweet poncho lol - appreciate the honest review
Man, just replayed republic commando cause I'm rereading the Karen Traviss novels right now. Great soundtrack
Strike Industries seems to be the company that says "we can sell it to you cheaper but..." Because I just bought a +5 extension for a P-mag vs the 40 bucks from Taran Tactical and so far it's holding up but considering how their handguard for the Benelli M4 is stupid, I am doubtful this inexpensive extension is actually going to work
I shouted you out in the latest Nutn'Fancy, Brassy, only like a couple hours into it being dropped. Hopefully you can do a soldja boi, maybe even Hop and Risky??? GUNTUBER SOLDJA BOI IN EFFECT WOOP WOOOOOOP
To avoid the whole brace issue I’d rather try the mag holder on the front(extra place for grip) with a fiber optic sight for close range and upgrade barrel length
Lol... just watched your year old Raider video and left this chassis as a comment. You can use a manual safety with this chassis. So, YOURS might not have a safety, but mine does.
Glad you wasted your money and not me lol I was looking into those and glad I held off!
Hey the helmet HUD of republic commando was cool as shit. I played that game all the way though just recently.
Could always 3D print a Pic rail for it. 😬
How about the B& T version?
Opinion on the scalarworks mount for the eotech? I just recently saw it when visiting scalarworks, nd was curious about it versus the unity mount
looks neat.
@@BrassFacts potential review coming along?
@@jeremyfigueroa1683 maybe, maybe not
Thanks for the review
Still no look at the USW-G?
I got the republic commando reference 👌🏻 Nauce! I just saw this at the NRA convention; strike industries definitely has the aesthetic vibes down with their products
idky PDWs are in love with the 9mm or try to shrink the 556 to 7". We have a caliber that would fit the PDW framework, 10mm. controllable with the extra weight and rifle-like format. With more interest the cost of 10mm would come down too.
i prefer this setup with an X13 personally, that 24 rounds Xten extended mag and Lima6 grip wrap make it teh meta
Thanks for the review as always. I had an Endo adapter when the Brace rule occurred so I was able to Sbr my Glock for free. Do you have any time on the bt usw Glock chassis?
So here’s a take that I’m sure won’t get a favorable response:
What about 3-D printed PDW’s? There’s LOADS of these pistol based PDW designs out there, including those that work with the FN FNS, Sig 320, and most importantly: Glock. Check out Digital Nimbus’s Invader designs, for example.
From everything I’ve read, seen, and heard, when printed with the right settings and filament, these frames are plenty durable enough. I don’t know if I’d necessarily say ‘just as good’ as factory mold injected frames, but I would say ‘good enough’. Especially when printed out of either glass filled nylon or carbon fiber filled nylon in a proper manner.
This opens up the world of PDW possibilities, especially since many of these are Glock-based designs. For example: you can print a small framed design and put a G35 slide on it, with a simple barrel change you can shoot 357 Sig, 40 S&W, or 9mm. Or if you print the large framed Invader Heavy, you can put a G41 slide on it and shoot 45 ACP or 10mm with a barrel and mag change. Or if you REALLY want to get crazy with it: 460 Rowland.
Plus, these all have a stationary Pic rail on top for mounting optics, and most feature a rail mounted brace like the Flux Raider.
Just some food for thought, thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
if you could make a durable enough one sure. And one day that will happen.
But, personally for me. None of them seem to hit the threshold yet. They seem to hold together for 200-500 rounds tops.
You also run into issues where any (and I mean any) flex results in loss of zero. Unless you have a very expensive 3D printer, the materials you have access to just don't really work for the task at hand imo.
@@BrassFacts Appreciate the response, I'd have to agree with what you're saying.
Would you have any interest in testing one out if it were made of a suitable material, say glass or carbon fiber filled nylon? I have a Bambu X1 Carbon coming in the mail tomorrow and a roll of PA6-GF that just came in the mail today, destined for such builds. I wouldn't be able to provide an entire/complete build (simply can't afford that, sorry), but I would be able to send a complete frame if that's of any interest to you. Of course, it'll be a bit since I still have to setup the printer and get the hang of it, but I'd be very willing to send a frame or two for testing if you have the time/interest. I also intend to try some carbon fiber filled nylon, I'd like to see firsthand how they both hold up over time.
@@That_Guy5575 I'd have to see it. Though I generally have to focus my guns/reviews around stuff that people can buy.
@@BrassFacts Fair point, I hadn't really considered that aspect of it. I get so caught up with like-minded people who like to print pews that I forget just how tiny of a percentage we are, especially when accounding for the Venn diagram overlay of gun owners in general.
In the meantime, I'll do some testing to the extent that I can (ie: afford) and if things go well, I'll try to contact you later if you're still interesting in tinkering with one or two.
Thanks for continuously lacking the self-control to not post videos, I greatly enjoy your content and learn a lot from it.
PS: moar Nova plz :)
Love my CAA MCK for my Glock. Love the top rail for my old Trijicon RX06. Now I have a small truck gun or backpack gun that I can shoot out to 100 yards. Best at 25 and 50 yds but I can still hit the target at 100 with that 4 inch barrel. :)
Your flux video ended with you talking about tuning it for your suppressor. Is there any update on that?
THE DOG FOOTAGE!!!❤
sad to see posts about this thing sucking leave my instagram feed, great video!
I got the reference! God I feel old... But what a great game.
you're really old... god my back hurts
@@BrassFacts Don't worry strike industries is working on a back brace, but the padding is rigid and sharp because it looks TACTICOOL. Sure it gashes your back with every breath, but hey you look like your rocking an exoskeleton!
Good video, as always!
Nice work & data
I have the smc and the flux. I like both.
I like it as a grip module for the P320. Just slice off everything behind the beaver tail and you have a AXG grip for way more money lol
Edit: just saw you can remove the rear part that’s attached to the back strap, but that’s not worth much when they don’t offer a back strap in the kit to convert it strictly into a pistol