Arcane 1x9 'The Monster You Created' | First Time Reaction
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Maple and Arianna reach a pivotal moment in their journey through the vibrant yet tumultuous world of "Arcane" with their first-time reaction to Episode 9, "The Monster You Created." This season finale brings to a climax the intricate tales of power, betrayal, and redemption that have woven through the heart of Piltover and Zaun. Witness Maple and Arianna's reactions as the destinies of Vi, Jinx, Caitlyn, and the rest of the characters converge in a dramatic and emotionally charged conclusion. "The Monster You Created" masterfully ties together the series' themes of family, identity, and the consequences of ambition, leaving viewers on the edge of their seats. After the reaction, join them for a deep dive into the episode's narrative twists, character arcs, and the stunning visual storytelling that has defined "Arcane" as a groundbreaking series in animation.
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00:00 - Intro
00:20 - Reaction
25:17 - Review - บันเทิง
When silco said, "there's nothing so undoing as a daughter" he's admitting to vander that he was right. Silco had already decided he was willing to give everything up, all his goals, for Jinx, just like vander had when he found vi and powder on the bridge.
Right, I think they missed that bit. I thought Silco’s death would have hit them a lot harder.
I don’t really think he was admitting Vander was right. He was admitting he understood why Vander threw his life away for Vi.
To be fair the first time I saw that scene, even though I knew Silco wouldn't give Jinx up, I understand how someone would think that after the "what do I lose but problems?" line. But yeah, after he says "I would never given you up to them, you're prefect", yeah nah, he really loved her. (At least as much as Silco was able to love someone)
As a father of two daughters, that line hits hard. And holds a lot of weight.
I think the main reason so many people misinterpret that part is because Jinx misinterpreted it while she was listening. You forget that she is a troubled and irrational person so you just go with it.
Not believing Silco is crazy, even the moment he was offered the deal by jayce he immediately tried to sacrifice himself instead of her. I dont see why you wouldnt think Silco is telling the truth.
Definitely
You can just tell they didn't like him from the very beginning, I knew they would see it the way they did before even watching the reaction. They also said vi had unconditional love for her when she was the one that saw her as nothing but sweet little powder, and was hoping she would go back to being that way. The reason I also think jinx picked the jinx chair is because she saw the difference in how vi and silco treated her after her biggest mistakes, vi got pissed off, punched her face, called her a jinx, and walked away, while silco wasn't even mad and told her she was perfect in the moment when she just shot him, and I think she finally was able to believe silco actually loved her as much, or maybe even more than vi herself
@@xUNLUCKYxSEVENx I mean he's clearly evil and a bad guy and honestly was terrible for jinx but Silco definitely cared about her and put that before pretty much everything.
@praisethefirstborn6226 @praisethefirstborn6226 I never said he was good, but I don't think he's completely evil either, more like a "the end justify the means" and the "ill do whatever, it takes" kind of evil guy at least. In my opinion jinx is more evil than silco ever was, all the fucked up things silco did (except for going after vi and also covering for jinx) were evil with the purpose of freeing zaun. In the other hand, Jinx did whatever she felt like doing to whoever she wanted (she killed at least 11 people in episode 4) just to be seeing as useful and out of jealousy. As you can see in episode 9 silco was even ok with giving himself up to free zaun instead of letting jinx take the fall, or offering anyone else up, at that point he wouldn't even get to enjoy the freedom, but he knew at least his people would. I just think people take pity on jinx because we got to see what she went through, and silco gets the "he's straight up evil" cause we never get to see everything he went through in his own childhood
Because these women are "modern". XD
i.e. they're suspicious of men as a rule, particularly if they're making their own decisions. Like not even deathbed confessions are ironclad but...LMAO the fucker got shot to death by Jinx and he still said he wouldn't give her up. But these chicks can't accept that.
Silco is a villain and a fucked up broken person, but in his own twisted way he definitely loved Jinx.
Silco is exactly who he says he is
He values loyalty above all else, which is why he'd never have given Jinx
And why Jinx got so attached to him, from her PoV everyone stopped loving her when she fucked up, but Silco never did
I don't find anything twisted about it. He loved her. She was a daughter to him.
Yeah I definitely read it as he is a messed up individual, doing his best to raise another messed up individual. He isnt trying to corrupt her, he just is trying to show her what worked for him.
@@cos0 yes because enabling someone's psychosis is totally not twisted.
Yeah he did in the end he kind of understood why his brother never act on any of his plans because it became bigger than just him after the last war he's the reason why but for their parents died so he became a Sarah good father And what came with that is the choices that changed him as a individual He changed from being a fighter to being a father And now silko in his own way gets it
i can't see why Silco would lie while he's dying, there's no reason to, he's been showing clear signs since episode 8 that he actually cares about her, she might have been a tool to start with, but in the end, he felt precisely what Vander felt. He doesn't wanna fight for the cause if Jinx is the price.
I think you’re right that he cares about her, but wrong that he wouldn’t have reason to lie and manipulate here if he didn’t. He knows he’s dying, and she’s the only hope of carrying out his plans when he’s dead. I don’t think Seveka or anyone else knows about the new weapon.
@@chrisadraheimwhat plans? Jayce already said he’d give Silco everything he wanted in exchange for Jynx. He had nothing to gain by lying
Silco doesn't know anything about the weapon either
@aven1489 What? Lol. Silco mentions in the story that he needs her to complete the weapon. Jinx tries to pawn it off, "Just give it to the doctor". To which Silco replies something to the effect of, "It has to be you. You're the only one that can do it." Of course he knows about it. That just wasn't his greatest concern anymore in this last days.
@@LockeNarshe He didn't know she finished the weapon.
The irony of Vi's final mistake is so good. She's holding onto the idea of Powder, who is effectively long dead, and Jinx is constantly haunted by the memories of the people she let down, who Vi thoughtlessly invokes, burying Jinx in her own PTSD. She's pushing Jinx away as hard as she possibly can and doesn't even realise it.
Don't think you read Silco quite right though. He's been devoid of morals for so long, he runs things hard and brutal in order to pursue the cause of Zaun at all costs. He loses respect for Vander when Vander grows a 'weakness' in attachment. In the space of the time-skip Silco inadvertently falls for the same 'weakness', becoming genuinely attached to Jinx. He gives her all sorts of leeway not because she's an asset, but because he's more attached to her than anyone else, his ashtray in his office is covered in her childish doodles. By the end of his life Silco came to realise that he and Vander were always the same he just never had anyone like Vander had the kids.
Cherry on top, Jinx catches him waxing poetic to Vander's monument, misinterprets the situation, acts without the full picture and ultimately causes his death. Pretty much exactly like she did with Vander, Mylo and Claggor. The more things change, huh?
She literally jinxed it.
I think a lot of people miss that PTSD aspect of the penultimate scene. I'd argue that Silco is the only one there who understands what Jinx is going through at that moment, so when Silco draws the gun on Vi and tells Jinx not to listen, not because he's afraid of losing Jinx, but because he knows Vi is hurting Jinx in a horrible way.
@@singlespace "not because he's afraid of losing Jinx, but because he knows Vi is hurting Jinx in a horrible way."
I strongly disagree with this interpretation. He's definitely worried about losing her, that Vi's words are getting through to her and he tried to shoot Vi because of that. Supposing that Silco's trying to stop Vi from 'hurting' Jinx, I think is giving Silco a little too much credit
@@chrishaven1489 There's no inference to be made--it's what happened. Silco lied to Jinx earlier in the series and intentionally manipulated her to stay closer to him when he said, "Your sister's back for the crystal, not for you". If that had been your comment, it would have made sense. In the final scene before he was shot, Silco recognized that Vi was hurting Jinx by trying to remind her of her past and was trying to defend her by being the voice of reason to protect her. He tried to shoot Vi because she was hurting her to the point of being curled up in a ball on the floor and crying out to stop. He already pleaded with her moments before against Vi and was being truthful from his perspective. It's not an interpretation that he was genuinely concerned, it's just logical given his character growth.
When Silco originally tried to manipulate Jinx, he hadn't fully admitted to himself just how attached he was to her and was concerned with the weapon she was building--that realization wasn't let out until Jayce's ultimatum, i.e. Silco's breaking point. So we can 100% affirm that he was being sincere in his final scenes.
@@chrishaven1489It makes sense as part of Silco's arc: throughout the vast majority of the series Silco is worried about losing Jinx, about himself, about his righteous causes, regardless of the human costs, but as events progress he comes to understand why Vander went from someone who was willing to do horrendous things for a cause to someone who just wanted to live a peaceful life and take care of the people around him. It's important because Silco ends up not only making the same choice that Vander did, but realizing that he scorned Vander, killed him, for making these same choices. It contrasts Vander dropping his gauntlets at the beginning of the series after beating a man to death and realizing that all his actions lead to Vi and Powder's parent's deaths. Silco's realization comes too late, which leads directly into Piltover's council finally doing the right thing, but also too late. I think the narrative, the way the political failure of Piltover is presented in intercut, makes less sense if Silco never had that realization, if he never changed.
Silco loved Jinx despite Jinx being bad for his plans repeatedly. His organization represented through Sevika in this case, repeatedly tried to get him to let her go for progress towards their goals.
That's what makes it hit so hard. Silco can easily see Jinx isn't perfect in the literal sense. She's all kinds of broken, and a liability in many ways. But she's his daughter and he wouldn't want her to change. In THAT sense she's perfect.
@@morlock2012 I definitely agree but it's not like Vi knows Jinx, she just knows Powder
@@morlock2012 The actor, Jason Spisak also had a really interesting perspective in an interview he gave. He said he views Jinx as the embodiment of Zaun, being broken and chaotic but having a beauty and strength from those traits.
@@thepiousskeleton6046 Knowing what I know about league lore, that perspective makes sense. A quote from the game: 'The city calls for chaos. She is but the first to answer.' It kinda implies that Jinx is the first monster of many that Silco's Zaun will produce in the near future.
Silco always protected Jinx. Even when she ruined his plans. When Sevika and Finn were talking shit about Jinx, he brutally put them back to their place. When Jayce tells him he wants Jinx, Silco spontaneously offers himself (and Jayce refuses). It's obvious he loves her and would do anything for her. Even when he's dying, his first instinct is comforting her, not blaming her. He's her father.
I really wasn't surprised when they didn't understand that silco loved Jinx as a daughter, and he cares about her and wouldn't sacrifice her for the nation of zaun
Zaun
@@animusnocturnus7131 😘
“It all makes sense now brother” is maybe the deepest and best line in the show. In a flash, Silco realizes why Vander’s dream for independence changed, because he had something more important that wasn’t worth losing. Silco never had this and so he never understood, but now that he loves Jinx, he found himself going down the same path that Vander did.. he might even regret killing his brother now that he understands…
Silco also says in Episode 3: “I knew you still had [the ability to fight] in you” referencing the fact that he thinks Vander forgot what they were fighting for i.e. fighting for a better future for the kids. So Silco knows that Vander is willing to part with his ideals to protect his daughters, but he doesn’t think that he would sacrifice his own ideals for Jinx… but he does..
Wow never seen anyone so completely misread the relationship between Silco and his love for jinx, its actually kind of impressive lol. In the end he loved her unconditionally, this scene even parallels the last time Jinx accidentally killed her family and Vanders final moments were caring about her. Silco truly was in Vanders place now.
Yeah it's a complete 180 of what the show actually shows.
@@LoyaltL It's really not. If it was a 180 then Jinx wouldnt have misinterpreted his motivations.
Yeah, Silco's final words "You're perfect" is probably what made Jinx realize, and accept, that Vi would never say that to her - which is what she means by "love me like you used to."
Jinx just wanted Vi to love and accept her the way she is, not as the memory of who she was. Meanwhile Silco loved and accepted her unconditionally.
Silco loved Jinx. Like, Vi and Powder had a sisterly relationship which is why they could open up to her, but Silco filled the role of a father. When he was angry at her, when he was happy with her, when he thought she might die, go back and look at those moments and think about if he really looked like his love was conditional. I think it's easier to search for reasons for his feelings for her to be in some way transactional than it is to acknowledge he had a redeeming quality. His whole thing was about loyalty and at no point did he ever go back on that. He just happened to also be a villain, and like it or not, parents are going to nurture the parts of their children they value most.
Show creators: Let's make it reeeeal aesthetic and pretty. Nevermind angle accuracy. Big and bold!
Internet reactors: ... is she shooting the moon?
Yeah the amount of people who reacted and thought she was shooting the moon is kinda crazy
I actually thought it was an animation error, that they just kept in because the scene was already past the point of change.
@@journey9411 no lol
When Jinx says “I thought maybe you could love me like you used to” she means she thought maybe Vi could love her unconditionally, *flaws and all* - just like she loved the clumsy, scared child who botched jobs when they were younger. But the thing is, Vi *can’t* seem to love Jinx that same way, because Vi views the entire Jinx persona as some broken delusion that needs to be “fixed” or “snapped out of”, rather than a complete new identity that’s already existed for years.
Vi spends the whole final scene calling Jinx by her old name and trying to essentially convert her back to her former self - telling her to “remember” their dead family, as if she isn’t haunted by them every waking moment.
Well the thing is, this is the first time Vi is really confronted with Jinx as she is while Silco groomed her for YEARS, I'd say everyone would have a hard time adjusting their perspective after reuniting with a clinically insane person for like 2 days. I don't know why people think this should be super easy and chill for Vi.
@@SelineSnape Oh I agree, it's definitely not an EASY thing - it's only natural that Vi would struggle to wrap her head around it, and fight to bring back the Powder that she knew and loved. Please understand, I'm not blaming Vi for the way she behaves towards Jinx - I'm just noting why Jinx feels so convinced that Vi can't love her new self as unconditionally as her old self. That's what makes it a proper tragedy: both characters have a valid perspective based on their own experience, but those two perspectives are unavoidably in conflict with each other.
silco was definitely not just “using” jinx. he did see her as a daughter
22:18 well considering hes about to die Silco had no reason to lie about that. He was completely sincere in his statement that he fell into the same trap Vander did and his love for his daughter figure overrided his main desire.
You guys didn’t really notice. But the reason why Jinx chose to be Jinx and not Powder was because Vi wanted Powder and not Jinx, while Silco just said she was Jinx, Silco’s quote of “you’re perfect” was him saying that in the end it didn’t matter if she was Powder or Jinx, SHE was perfect. He genuinely cared for her and wasn’t going to give her up for anything.
I don't think there ever really was any choice between Powder and Jinx; the entire dinner party setup seems to me to have been one elaborate "test" for Vi, to try to see if Vi could accept her as Jinx and love her "like she used to."
First, she brings out the silver platter, just before she make the grand reveal, she looks to Vi to gauge her reaction, and (just my interpretation) she doesn't seem pleased, or amused, that she "fooled" Vi into thinking that was Caitlyn's head on the platter - she looks disappointed, that Vi actually thought she was "that crazy".
Second, she said she "made [Caitlyn] a snack", which she reveals to be a cupcake with the Hextech Gemstone on top; to me, this seems like a peace offering - she is offering Vi her "cupcake" (aka. Caitlyn) and the Gemstone - if Vi can accept and love her.
Third, she asks "where should I sit?" nodding to first the Powder chair, then the Jinx chair - but she positions herself on the side of the Jinx chair (a bit of an interpretative stretch perhaps) - I suspect she wanted Vi to tell her to sit in the Jinx chair, or at least choose whichever chair she liked.
Fourth, she tells Vi to "make her go away, and you can have Powder back," but must know it's not that simple, and probably realizes Vi would never hurt Caitlyn - her hope is probably, that Vi will respond, that she doesn't want Powder back, she wants Jinx to stay as she is.
Fifth, when Vi says they can run away, Jinx is hopeful that Vi is actually accepting her, until a voice in her head presumably points out that she wants to leave with Powder, not Jinx, which is why she gets agitated and responds "she's not saying that!"
Sixth, and finally, when Silco points this out, she turns to Vi and asks if she's lying - as in "lying about leaving with Jinx, as she is - not try to get Powder back."
Of course, Vi is aware of none of this - and I don't even think Jinx really planned it out that way. It seems to me, that she is just really, really bad at communicating her feelings and this whole dinner party was basically her way of screaming at Vi: "This is who I am, can you accept me like this?" - to which Vi's answer, tragically, was "no."
"I thought maybe you could love me [Jinx], like you used to love [Powder], even though I'm different... But you changed too [you no longer see me as the same person]"
Just my interpretation, though.
They definitely misinterpreted what Silco was saying to Vander’s statue
I think it's mischaracterising Silco to say that he's just using Jinx. He takes her in out of a twisted sense of loyalty to what he and Vander used to have and sees in her a sense of loneliness and betrayal. He connects with this because that's what has defined him in his own life. Many people seem to think he has some insidious, ulterior motive but that doesn't correlate with his actions in the last episodes. It's exactly in his interests to distance himself from Jinx to instill trust in his associates/underlings as well as settle on a peace with Piltover, but he seems very resistant to the idea throughout.
He might seem like an untrustworthy person because of how he treats others, but most of the people he turns his back on are people willing to betray others for coin or status. Those aren't exactly people you want around if your main guiding principle is loyalty.
Yall are really missing the relationship between Silco and Jinx. if you think he viewed her as an asset yall were either not listening or projecting.
And that would be the worst asset ever, since she's always messing up the plans and pretty much causing silcos own people to turn against him lol
well considering they've doomed him since day 1 with prejudices, I think it's safe to assume projecting as a mean to not listen
I've watched multiple other channels reaction to this show and this was the first one that truly felt like the nature of Silco/Jinx relationship completely went over their heads. I mean it's not even like the story was subtle in what it was trying to show the viewers.
@@Papadoc1981 Ya, I feel kind of bad here because I really like these 2's reactions on the majority of their vids, but I couldn't even watch their entire reaction to this show because I felt like they missed a lot in this show for some reason. I still like a lot of their reactions, but I'm so confused as to how they interpreted this show. I've not seen any other reactors miss so much here.
Hey just because he's a bad guy doesn't mean he can't love, dude 100% cared for her
Silco really meant that and thats the thing, he really loved her just the way she was, he isn't using her, actually he defend her multiple times from their own people
Silco absolutely loved Jinx. I think to him Jinx was who she really was. He wasn’t trying to change her for his needs, he was trying to free her.
Silco loved Jinx more than she loved him. I think Silco wanted Jinx to let go of Powder so she could truely live him back.
There's very little reason to lie once you are dying. The consensus is if a character is dying, their last words are usually the truth. Silco truly loved Jinx ... in his own messed up way.
I think there’s a few pieces of pretty solid evidence that Silco means his final words to Jinx. The biggest is when Jayce gives his requirements for the peace deal, and Silco offers to turn himself in in Jinx’s place. There’s also the fact that he visits Vander’s statue, and talks about how he finally sees where Vander was coming from, implying that he now understands Vander’s desire for compromise now that he also has something to lose (the fact he describes her as “undoing” implies he is straying from his goals for her). And, of course, when he brings her to Singed to save her life, Singed knocks him out because he thinks that seeing the torture of the medical procedure performed on her would be bad for Silco’s sanity.
Certainly we see Silco manipulating Jinx on multiple occasions, but to my recollection he only does so in the context of keeping her away from Vi, and in those contexts presumably he is worried about Jinx leaving him for Vi. Plus, it just makes Silco a more interesting character if he means it. Every major character on the show has a complex, shades of gray morality to them, and if you take away Silco’s love for Jinx he becomes a more stereotypical black and white villain.
It’s almost ambiguous enough to read either way, but I think there’s enough evidence sprinkled in to support Silco being authentic here.
Agreed. He is only manipulative with Jinx when he's afraid of losing her. There's some real unhealthy codependency there. But I think he genuinely wanted to be a good parent to her, and he definitely loved her.
Silco did, in fact, have a point. Vi absolutely didn't know who Jinx was and still thought of her as that child. She invokes the names of the demons that have haunted her, completely unaware.
Daamn, first reactors I see that are completely blind to what the series is trying to show with Silco. And saying Vi has inconditional love for her lmao hahaha. Vi was never accepting that Powder changed, and she was big part of that. Along with that she never understood her, saying the names of Claggor and Mylo she was causing Jinx a panic and anxiety attack (The drawing monsters), and when Silco realised that, it was when he snapped because Vi was hurting his daughter and got free and try to shot her to shut her down. Silco really loved Jinx as a daughter, he even accepted he was wrong in front of Vander, and a daughter really matters more than whatever other stuff you have, even when is really big and important.
Idk how you were able to see the shoow and just ignore all of that haha
I was so confused on some of their takes lmao I guess it takes a rocket scientist to understand character development now
Perfect summary of what's going on
to be fair, Vi has had very little time to process what is going on with her sister. It's been what, maybe 3 days? And she's only gotten to speak with Jinx for a few minutes at best. She's been separated from her for years and she hasn't been privileged with the insight into her psyche that the viewers are given. We know she has PTSD, psychosis, and paranoia. Vi has no idea. And up until the end, Jinx wasn't beyond hope of being able to turn a corner and improve. Maybe she'd never be Powder again, but she didn't have to be Jinx either. I don't think that Vi will ever stop loving her sister, even if she reaches a point where she gives up on not just Powder but on the possibility of a better Jinx. It will just become the kind of love that only ever hurts. It will probably be that way for both of them.
Oh, the same Vi that has been around her sister for like less than an hour? And yet Silco who has been around Jinx for years and STILL doesnt get her trauma and what needs to be done to fix her?
I find it funny Vi is held to this impossible standard despite having been held against her will away from Jinx. But Silco somehow is handwaved time and time again and he's the adult who should know better what a child needs. People forget that Vi is effectively still a child. She was 14ish when she got put in prison, and hasn't had a life since then.
@@lockekappa500 Neither Silco nor Vi are trained psychiatrists; they both try to help Jinx (or Powder, in Vi's case) the best way they know how - and neither of them are really getting it right. Silco offers her love and support that she desperately needs, but his own paranoia bled into how he raised her, resulting in toxic behavior, such as telling her she can't trust anyone except him, to look for betrayals at every corner, to always be on edge and ready to fight.
Meanwhile, Vi cannot understand how Powder has changed, that she's no longer the little girl she used to know, and that the memories of that little girl is a source of trauma to Jinx. Vi means well, but her repeated deadnaming of Jinx, her attempts to "change" her, only leads to Jinx concluding that Vi doesn't love her. That Vi only loves the memory of who she used to be.
LOL so you all missed the obvious plot point that Silco was sitting on a statue of Vander admitting that Vander himself was RIGHT. Why would he say "there's nothing more undoing than a daughter" if he was planning on giving her up? That starement means Jinx has compromised his feelings and he can't go ahead with his treaty and Jayce's demands. Also... Like why would he, why would anyone pretty much, lie as their last words? It just doesn't make sense? Also, as bad as Silco is, he really never has lied to anyone. He's usually brutally honest. And he loved Jinx as a daughter... Was pretty obvious.. By the end.
Silco was 100% sincere when he said, "I never would have given you to them. Not for anything." Silco loves Jinx. She's his daughter--period, full stop. Jinx's greatest desire is to be accepted--everyone around her, whether Mylo in her childhood or Sevika later, never thought she belonged. It's Silco who accepts her: "Jinx is perfect." "You're perfect." And Silco is the embodiment of loyalty. It's just that he was tested as never before by Jayce's offer. Edit: also note: Jinx concludes that Vi wants who she WAS as Powder, not who she is as Jinx. You could say that Powder sacrifices herself to save Vi, and only Jinx remains thereafter.
I ain’t never seen two people misinterpret silco this much bro.
Ahhh the last scene of this will never not prove to me that writing emotional and mental distance can be done so well. There's an overly sarcastic productions video on it, but the show does "I love you but-" when it comes to writing characters switching alliances. Jinx and Vi obviously still love each other but neither are able to reach the step of being on the same side. VI has been gone for ages, mostly due to her being in jail but also partially because she seeks out fights (something Vander already warned her wouldn't solve all her problems) Jinx has been dug into such a mentally taxing and emotionally taxing hole and then sets up an intervention for herself where there is no win situation because one person refuses to acknowledge that this is harming her mentally and the other person can't acknowledge why she'd be emotionally connected to that person anyway.
Jinx killing silco just validated to her that she is a jinx, she kills her family and people she cares about. This is the third father figure she's lost, the second of her own fault as far as her guilt is concerned
Silco was dying, he had no reason to lie anymore. He really really loved Jinx as his daughter.
I still tear up over the fact that Vi tries to make Jinx remember everyone, but the memories are corrupted, haunting her, eating her mind alive while Silco is shouting at Vi to stop, because he can see Jinx hurting. If that isn't true father behaviour, then i don't know what is.
I highly recommend anyone in the comments to check out Georgia Dow's breakdown of Silco s and Jinx's relationship. She's an actual therapist and Studio Fortiche did a great job of animating facial quirks that she breaks down.
Silco took Jinx in because he saw himself in her. And then grew to love her as a daughter. But the bad part is that Silcos projected his issues onto Jinx and didn't approve that she still had hangups regarding her family.
You have to remember that Jinx was equal parts Mafia Princess, junkyard dog, and loose cannon in Silcos organization.
It's not the complicated champ.
@@chand911 it's still a good watch. Really breaks down how Silco is desperate for Jinx to stay by his side
@@chand911 it’s still fun to watch champ.
Jinx's line "I thought maybe you could love me like you used to." Isn't that she's wrong and that Vi does still love her. It's the opposite in fact. Vi has been lying to herself this entire time, deluding herself with the idea that they can just go back to the way that things were before, that Jinx can just go back to being the girl she remembered, back to Powder.
Jinx is acknowledging the truth that Vi hasn't yet been able to face. Jinx isn't that girl anymore, she can't go back and undo all the monstrous things she's done, the people she's killed, the destruction she's caused. Vi has been chasing the idea of Powder, but every time she sees the "real" Jinx, the one who revels in the pain, the destruction, the killing... it terrifies her.
It's why Jinx said "Things changed when you left. I changed." in episode 6. Because she knows what she's done, the monster she became, the suffering she CHOSE to cause, not because Silco forced her to, but because she wanted to. She was broken, and in order to bury the guilt for the death of her family, death had to lose its meaning. KILLING had to lose its meaning, because if killing didn't matter then it wouldn't matter that she killed her family. She had to embrace the killing, or the guilt would overtake her, that was how she tried to cope with her trauma.
Jinx realized in that moment, after killing her father-figure for the second time, that she can't go back to being Powder. She can't take back the choices she's made or rewind the life she's lived these past number of years. Jinx is who she is now, and while Vi still cares for her and loves her for who she was, she's never going to be able to accept who Powder became. Jinx is scarred and traumatized, and we should sympathize with that, but at the end of the day she IS a bad person who's done many bad things to people who didn't deserve it, and she did it willingly.
You can learn the tragic reasons for how a monstrous person became the way they are, but at the end of the day we can't go back in time and change those things. Like it or not, they're still a monstrous person who has done many monstrous things, and they need to be held responsible for what they've done.
So, the Hexcore did make Viktor better (we saw him run in the last episode.) When he threatened it and it zapped him, it basically turned off the abilities it gave him.
That was the Hexcore's retaliation.
@@theblackowl555 correct, it was showing Viktor who was in charge.
I'm face palming myself so much watching Arianna's reaction. Silco is telling the truth there, all of his actions can tell you how much he cares and loves Jinx. I think your own biases are getting in the way you are interpreting the facts here. Please more Maple reactions!
Action speaks louder than words. Silco might've gotten angry with Jinx, they have argued, he had said she was a problem. But the only consistent thing in their relationship is Silco always defended her never gave her up (whether that's a good thing or bad):
1. Sevica reports how Jinx was a liability in their mission and says she's a problem, Silco redirects the blame to Sevica.
2. Marcus suggests arresting Jinx will be doing Silco a favor, he pushes Marcus to frame the Firelights, even though he can see it puts a strain on their partnership (such as it is). He even comments on it after Marcus left.
3. His Chembarons almost had a mutiny because they see he can't(or unwilling to) control Jinx and is costing them their 'enterprise'. Silco didn't even deny and turn it on them. He just gassed them to keep them in line.
Those are only three on the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few more instances of Silco always choosing Jinx.
So yeah, in the end I believe him. He would never give Jinx up. It makes his character consistent.
Vi loves Powder Silco loves Jinx. Everything y'all said about Silco is valid, but Silco did love Jinx like a daughter but Vi also has a disconnect, she kept ignoring Jinx as she is now, she kept calling her powder when Jinx literally isn't powder anymore. That is why she doesn't love Jinx like she used to bc she's not trying to fix the relationship with the current Jinx but that Powder.
Silco was a revolutionary who was willing to do anything, but he would have sacrificed himself to protect Jinx. Vi just kept thinking of her as a little girl AND how many times did Vi say "I wont leave you" but left anyway. ON the bridge she absolutely choose Kaytlin over Jinx.
Everyone is the hero of their own story.
Nobody makes bad decisions on purpose.
This is one of the reasons I love this show, you can trace back every action to the conversation that inspired it, and the decision that prompted that discussion, and the conversation that prompted that, on and on and on, back to the beginning. Watching it backwards, or, now knowing all along what Mel's motivation was, you can see exactly how everything started and why.
Good run on a fantastic series, although it constantly felt like these reactors never wanted to understand Silco. They wrote him off episode 1 as "the bad guy" and never got to the point of understanding him as a person and a father figure, however flawed.
It made some of the best and most nuanced scenes in the show, well, completely meh, due to the constant, "Well, he doesn't love Jinx. He's just using Jinx. Etc."
Being so skeptical always results in seeing only the worst in someone. It's not just this show, either. It seems to be a running theme with this channel.
/soapbox
Silco did love Jinx as a daughter and wanted what was best for her. He did however not really understand what was best for her and so he projected what he thought would be best onto her. "You have to let Powder die" is what he thinks would work because that's how he became what he is.
Take a look at the conversation between Jayce and Silco again. The moment Jayce tells him it's either Jynx or Zhaun, silco knew he had no way of winning. If he didn't betray Jynx, he would lose savika, his supporters and the best deal he would ever get for independence. But he would also betray the one virtue he held sacred; loyalty. He would prove himself no better than Vander if he handed her over. The reason Silco is such an amazing villain is because he isn't one-dimensional. He is capable of great evil to achieve his goals. But that doesn't mean there is no good in him. And in the end, the best parts of him won out.
Silco never lied to Jinx, and actually, never lied to anyone in the show. He does, however, speak from his own version of reality, morality, and trauma. As viewers we may not agree with his version of events but he only speaks *his* truth.
He was absolutely compassionate and truthful with Jinx to the point where he didn't even blame her FOR SHOOTING HIM. His final words were to console her and let her know that he accepts her exactly how she is. She didn't get that from anyone, not even her sister. It's beautiful, and tragic, and incredible writing that it comes from a villain.
Season 2 of Emotional Damage is out in November 😉
Look at Silco's eyes when dealing with Jayce, the eyes are looking forward always and confident... but look when he said jinx's name
It wouldn't be a "Flawless victory" if VI took damage.
lol true
Fully disagree about Silco. In his mind, wanting Jinx to let go of the person she used to be wasn't transactional. It's what he did to get over Vander betraying him. He sees it as what made him who he is, and gave him the resolve to do whatever it takes to liberate the undercity from the oppressive rule of Piltover. She was the only person that made him feel like he wasn't alone, and he would pay any price to protect her; even giving up on his dream of Zaun becoming an independent nation. That's what makes him a truly three dimensional character, and not just the big bad that the heroes need to defeat. From the start of her adopting the name Jinx, he thought she was perfect, because when he looked at her he saw himself. That doesn't excuse the evil things he did, but just because he did those things doesn't change the fact he really did love her as best as he was able.
Thinking that Jinx was 'on a side quest' all season while she's working to weaponize the gemstone is wack. The main plot line from the start of act two through to the end is about the gemstone she stole (of her own volition) and what the ramifications will be for both sides of the city if she's able to weaponize it.
Jinx became like a daughter to Silco, that's why he was talking to Vander statue because he finally understood why Vander changed for his daughters. He couldn't give up Jinx even though he was offered everything he wanted.
Silco loved her. He finally understood why Vander was willing to throw away the safety of the under city just to save the kids. I can only assume it meant he was feeling the same
Vi's mistake is not accepting Jinx as her and still thinking of her as powder
How can she after being confronted with her true self for like the first time at length? You guys are weirdos to think that you can just be fine with a personality switch of the person you love after being apart for about 7-8 years, lol. What makes you think she'd just immediately be chill with a murderer who also switched identities?!
I'm begging people to remind themselves that Vi had not even a glimbse of what the audience saw over all the episodes, let alone other people in Jinx' life for years. How the fuck is she supposed to know how to handle this??
You're forgetting that Vander wanted the SAME thing Silco wanted. Silco was never upset that Vander wasn't like him. They were clearly different, Vander was the physically strong one, but as he said they SHARED a VISION. Silco felt that Vander sacrificed their collective dream for some kids. Silco is textbook utilitarian in his mind the literal lives of 2 children DO NOT equate to the freedom of hundreds of thousands to possibly millions of other Zaunites. Silco IS the hero fighting for freedom from his perspective. He's doing what is necessary to achieve that no matter how heartless he has to be. But over and over the he out right tells us he does not view those sacrifices as trivial. He has CLEAR disdain for the complacent under city "council" literally playing at what they are supposed to be fighting against. Content to pretend they had even a sliver of freedom living off the runoff of Piltover, letting that fantasy make them weak. But when he talks about the people that followed him and Vander in the beginning he speaks with them as brothers and sisters, he RESPECTS them all DEEPLY, especially for their dedication in the most hopeless of situations. He even tells Vander he kept his respect for him until he gave in and stopped fighting. Full stop YES Silco IS EVIL but his motivation is 100% GOOD. This is why him monologuing at Vander's statue is so telling. Silco is outright admitting that Vander made the right call to abandon their dream for hundreds of thousands to millions of people to have their freedom for 2 little girls. Silco is NOT conflicted at this moment he's not like "oh not sure which way I'm going to go..." He's literally that first time parent finally understanding what ALL his friends that had been parents would say about how having children changes you. When he says "Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?" that's him being in on the "joke". The joke that ANY father of girls ( I have 2 myself ) would get. They are simultaneously the most infuriating and annoying creatures I have EVER met and the reason I would maim, kill, suffer and die just to protect them in an instant.
The long and short of it is he had already made up his mind not to turn Jinx in before he even talked to Vander's statue.
So no Silco doesn't love Jinx because she's just like him and only because she's just like him. Does it get them off on a similar shared experience of trauma and betrayal, sure but that's just one small piece of it. What gets missed a lot is this is a textbook Greek tragedy. We like the audience watching one of those old plays get to see the NEAR misses of things actually working out. Powder walking away after hearing Vi agree with Mylo but before hearing Vi berate Mylo and stand up for Powder. Marcus hides Vi in prison FROM Silco. When Sevika finds out due to that ole KNEE to the FACE, Silco is SURPRISED his response is "From the DEAD?!?!" Then Sevika tells Jinx that Vi is after the Crystal (though I think she just wanted to see Jinx hurt). Jinx internalizes this ALL that Silco deliberately hid Vi from her. When that was never the case. That's why when Jinx says "You wouldn't lie to me, not again." its NOT Vi she's talking to even though Vi responds to reassure her. It was for Silco because despite the reality WE as the audience know that he never lied, to her he is a liar. The final tragic missed happy ending is that Vi does not understand SHE is causing Jinx pain. Everything Vi invokes is linked NOT JUST to trauma but to the scared little powder hiding inside Jinx. Silco screaming at Jinx to not listen to her is he knows her trauma he knows from first hand experience it will eat you from the inside if you let it. Silco isn't trying to invoke anything or anyone like Vi is he's simply trying to help Jinx GROUND herself. THIS is why he tries to shoot Vi not really to kill her to be the villain and win, but to get her to SHUT UP! His daughter was hurting and he was willing to do anything to alleviate that
When you've waited that long for your nation of Zaun, what is a little longer? Silco would never have given over the one, last person he loved. He would go to war before betraying his daughter. Because for him, that was more precious.
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I get not liking Silco, he's the bad guy, BUT HE'S LITERALLY DYING. He has no reason to lie! It irks me to no end when people can't acknowledge the complexity of a villain.
It’s so obvious! I felt like I was losing brain cells listening to their take
It's been clear through this whole series to them Silco just means bad guy nothing else, they've constantly referred to him as one and completely ignored any scenes where he actually shows worry for Jinx, because he's clearly faking it or something.
I think they misread Silco through the entire series. He's consistently defending Jinx and undermining his own goals for her sake from Episode 4 on.
Yes, he uses her and involves her in dangerous and criminal behavior. Most of that is just the reality of living in Zaun. He's certainly still a villain by his other actions, but his relationship with Jinx is the one thing that makes his character more grey.
I've seen several female reactors (but not all) that seem to do this. I think it's harder for them to relate to fatherly expressions of care. (That's not a daddy issues joke, just an observation on female psychology).
I think that Vi's fight foreshadowed what's going to happen to the council. The Atlas Gauntlets produced a shield and saved Vi from a killing blow, it surprised even her. Hextech seems sentient and like it's capable of defending it's self and it's wearer. The part of the Hexcore that has hijacked Viktor's body will likely protect him, and if it's symbiotic with him, it might empathize with Viktor and protect Jayce as well, Viktor sees Jayce as a brother. So I think at least two council members will survive. Also the decorative plates on Mel's back were glowing Gold, not Blue or Green which was the lights coming off the rocket. I think Mel's wearing a sort of body armor that was reacting to the attack, and will protect her from the blast.
Agreed. Those are the only three Council members who will survive.
If that were true theyd show it now. You don't set up that kind of foreshadowing and wait 3 years to show it.
@@chand911 That's...... literally how cliffhangers work lol
@@procrastinator99 Possibly also Bolbok (the robotic?/environment suit? councillor) , we don't really know how armoured he is.
Silco tried to protect Jinx from Vi
Silko know what he was doing becouse the some thing has happend him physic and mentality.
And when you re-watch scene when he took Jinx on some place where Vander almost killed him.
And them you can see that she was mentality better, she did make a weapon and then after Sevica tell her about VI. You can see in that moment mindset change/reset back.
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Silco loved Jinx and tried to protect her. He knew about her mental illness and what triggers it. When Jinx remembers her family she has ptsd. And he realy cares for her. When Jinx kills the firelights and ruin his work Silco blames and yells Shevika but with Jinx he tells her calmly that she was wrong.
When Jinx kills the enforcers Silco is angry but he wasnt going to hurt her. And Jinx didnt afraid him. He wanted to impess him.
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As with crystal when Jinx tried to creat the weapon she had ptsd of her dead family. After the scene in the river when Silco told her to get over the past it worked.
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Jinx continued to make the gun without any problems.
All was fine unltil Vi came. When Jinx saw Vi she remembered what she did. Vi didnt know about her traumaand or how to handle it. Vi wants the best for her and keep her safe but she hurts her.
I dont blame Vi. She thinks Silco is a monster and he manipulates her in his favor and she has every right to believes. Vi only know that Silco kidnapped Vander and caused his death.
And that we can see it clear in the final scene. Silco gave up everything he wanted to protect Jinx. And he didnt get mad when she kidnapped him because he understand how she feels. Vi tries to make Jinx remember but she only make things worse. Silco sees jinx suffering and tries to help her by shooting Vi witch leading to his death.
I dont say Silco was right and Vi was wrong the one. And thats the good with Arcane. There are not black and white. Silco tried to kill 4 children to avenge Vander and done many evil things. Also he feared that Jinx would abadon him and thats why he told her some lies. But in the end Silco wasn't the clice villain. He was a complex character with issues and weakness. And Vi wasn't evil or totally wrong. Ηer intentions were good but in the end she would make things worse because she doesn't know the real Jinx.
Not believing Silco is wild, I guess they just held on to the idea it was “fake” from initially seeing them after the time skip and never put a lot of thought into what was being shown. The show goes to great lengths to show how much Silco cares for Jinx despite him being a bad person, to the point of having him decide to throw away his life goal just to keep her safe.
Powders last action was to avenge her father and Jinx's first action was to avenger HERS.
Its quite nice
Yeah.. not surprised they missed the point entirely
What??? How do you not believe Silco??? The whole show he's shown how much loyalty and love he had for Jinx. He saw her as his daughter.
Silco is trying to teach Jinx the lessons he had to learn, at cost, as any parent would, and he's also trying to build a new world in which children like her don't have to forage for scraps like Vi and Powder did. He teaches her to use the darker parts of herself, and to survive - he doesn't wrap her in cotton wool. I don't agree it's transactional, she is repeatedly a liability to him, but he always forgives her and always stands up for her, even when it's costing him the loyalty of his crime bosses.
He's a complex character, I can imagine it's a struggle to take in the fine pieces when trying to also react for an audience.
“Silco is the pageant mom of crime” is simultaneously the wildest description of him I have heard, and spot on.
You might be the only reactors that I have seen that agreed with my thinking when I watched it - that Silco groomed her and that him saying "I would never have given you up." was his final manipulation of her. It solidified her into fully embracing Jinx, keeping a hold over her even after he died. It is a very classic abuser move.
Silco didn't know how to be a good father figure, and he wasn't, but I do think he loved Jinx unconditionally. He gave up everything he was working for for her.
Silco truly loved Jinx just as how Vander loved Vi. It was Jinx's trauma that made her think she's not "good enough to keep around" that made her think Silco would give her up for his ambition. The moment Jayce demanded Jinx as part if the exchange, Silico's demeanor changed. Even while keeping a tough persona hisnown words betrayed him. And in the end he understood why Vander gave up his old life for the kids as his own love for Jinx grew. And in his final moment, Powder shows up and Silco gave her what she was denied her whole life: affirmation. And Powder truly died the moment Silco died.
Vi, on the other hand, was so stuck with wanting Powder back that she could never accept nor acknowledge the existence of the Jinx persona. "It's gonna be okay", she said. But it's no longer okay. Jinx really is the monster Vi created.
The Undercity villians often represented a corrupted version of healthy things. Silco and Jinx was a corrupted version of Vander and Vi, Silco and Marcus is a corrupted version of Grayson and Vander. Savika was what Vi could have easily wound up looking like if she had grown up in the lanes.
Silco absolutely loved Jinx completely, but it doesn't mean their relationship was healthy.
I really enjoyed when Viktor told Jayce he 'had to destroy it' that Jayce looked back at the hextech hammer before saying 'I know', referencing that he had decided to destroy the hextech weapons.
I'm really interested in season 2, will Mel's mother try to get revenge on Jinx, or will she try to partner with her as a source of hextech weaponry? I'm super stoked for the next season.
i dont even think silco is a bad guy, i dont know why everyone says he is. its only cuz of him that the undercity has a chance to be free. they never took them seriously before that.
Viktor's VA is the actor that played Daenerys's brother in Game of Thrones..😮😮
The first season was a master class in story telling. Every character has depth, motivation, flaws, everything. They make you care what happens to them; they even make you care about Silco. I don't know how they can top that. Who will the villain be? Silco was such a good villain.
Such a great finale! Awesome watching the reaction to each beat and appreciation for the last episode. LOVE this show and can't wait for S2. Cheers for covering this one!
Vi was trying to get through to Jinx by reminding her of their family but all that did was trigger her PTSD.
Silco tried to shoot Vi to stop her from hurting Jinx, and Jinx shot Silco on reflex.
Jinx told Vi to choose between Powder and Jinx, but Powder was gone, and Vi constantly referring to her as Powder just reinforced the fact that she didn't accept Jinx for who she is now, unlike Silco who accepted her for who she was, and was the first one to do so.
Someone put it great:
Powder saved her sister by killing Silco.
Jinx avenged her father by killing Powder
NO wait i just realized if vi never told the council about jinx then they wouldint know she existed , they hardly know anything about her they , i also think they dont know that shes like 17 - 19
the fact that you don't believe silco just shows you don't understand his character or what he was saying when he was talking to Vander's statue.
dont understand the hate for silco. He definetly loved jinx like a daughter for who she was not who other people to be. In his final words after being killed by her he says your perfect and dont cry. Exactly what jinx needed vi to do after the first mistake to kill her family. the guy just wanted his people to not be enslaved be rich people. He is a good guy, underdog story that never gives up in the face of annihalation.
U laadies dont give Silco enough credit for trying to build a better world and after having been betrayed by Vander he still stood up for Jinx and would never betray or doubt her despite her craziness. His heros arc just becomes undone close to the finishline because he cannot betray Jinx as he was betrayed by Vander
why do people not understand how angles work during the last minutes 😂
It's a bad sequence. The framing is off.
It's not a bad sequence, it's a stylistic choice. The neat thing about animation is you can choose to ignore reality for a really cool looking shot. It's probably the most wallpaper worthy screengrab in the show.
I'll give you a hint about why that moon shot mattered. It's not even purely a stylistic choice, but a call back to something we've seen before. Think back to Episode 2 and recall Heimerdinger's flashback during Jayce's trial and it all comes together quite nicely.
My read on Jinx here is that she hates Powder and never wants to be her again. Weak, full of doubts, responsible for the worst night of her entire life. But Jinx is different, and she loves being Jinx. She just wants to be in a world where she gets to be Jinx and have Vi still love her
And maybe that could have happened back with episode 1 Vi who despised the enforcers/topside and was so very angry and ready to go to war. But since then Vi has learned to be a better person thanks to Vander and learned that maybe she can get along even with her old enemies thanks to Cait. She's changed into someone who could only ever love Powder, not Jinx
When Silco told Jynx to get rid of Powder he was trying to guide and mentor her. In his eyes, Jynx potential is on being more Jynx, and Powder is a weakness she has to overcome and get rid of, just like he got rid of his former weak self who was friends with Vander. So he was loving her, and molding her to be "better", as he saw it. I agree with you that it's twisted, but that's the only way Silco can love.
Silco and Jinx had a toxic relationship in many ways, and yes, he is consummately manipulative, but he wouldn't have given her up. Not even for Zaun. He needs her. She's the only affection in his life. She listened to him and cared about him. He cared about her too. It's a dysfunctional, codependent love, but it was still love.
Saw the theory mentioned... Powder (out of fear for VI) shoots and kills Silco, which causes Jinx to "kill" Powder (in revenge for killing Jinx's father) and totally embrace the Jinx persona.
silco wanted jinx to get rid of the powder in her cause he believed that would help her with her trauma, so she wouldnt be burdened with it, just like how he did when he let the weak man inside him die after vander almost drowned him
you two gotta stop talking and trying to guess things when crucial scenes are going on, please, just enjoy what's in front of you! not trying to be rude or anything though
yeah they completely missed that the council was voting for Zaun to be indapendent too
at least they could pause the scene if they wanted to had a conversation.
Vi couldn’t accept jinx for who she was anytime they talked or they bought her up she called her powered powered when she specifically told her stop calling me that my name is jinex
Would you be able to accept it right away if your sis turned out to be a clinically insane murderer who switched personalities? Especially after being gone for years with THIS being their first real conversation? You people are just as crazy as Jinx for thinking anybody would be super chill & fine with this after a hot minute.
@@SelineSnape if my sister changed her name and told me her old name wasn’t her name anymore more and told me stop calling her that yes I would stop calling her that especially when it clearly upset her when she calls her that vi was never gonna accept jinx no matter how long it took all she wanted back was powder back and jinx realized that “I thought you could love me even tho I’m different” vi does not love jinx she loves powder
Damn…y’all are emotionally uncalibrated lol
And so it begins…..
Can’t wait for season 2 this November!
Jinx: If I had a quarter for every time I killed my adoptive father, I'd have two quarters... Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Silco is the closest thing I've seen to a truly nuanced take on what an abuser looks like. They often victimize those that they love, in their own malajusted way. And people wonder why it's so hard for many people to leave their abuser. It's incredibly difficult when that abuse becomes intertwined in family. Mel"s mother is the same. What we can see as her abuse of Mel is what General Medarda thinks of as a deeply necessary expression of love for Mel. Exposing her to horrors of war, to "harden" her young heart.
Silco would have burned the world for Jinx. He would have never given her up. In the end, she was his undoing.
ah the ravens are always watching :) also cant wait for season 2 this november bet we get a trailer soon.
Silco sees Powder like he saw his old self: Weak. It wasn't until he embraced that raw will to survive and allow his naive side to die that he truly became him. He wanted that for Jinx.
Fun Theory(#possible spoilers): my theory about "whos left" at the end of this season has much to do with the ages of characters in the show that are in the game League of Legends.
Jayce and Victor will survive. In the game Jayce is like 40years old....so he will survive and Victors condition in the game shows he has a lot of progression to go through still. If im not mistaken, he becomes a evil scientist and i think becomes immortal too.
Catlyn and Vi survive. Again, they are much older in the game. Jinx still has some progression and character changes to take on where Jinx takes much more control......she really turns into a female Joker character.
Heimerdinger and Eko survive. Eko in the game discovers how to use hextech to time skip......so he still has to discover that.
Dr. Singe survives, and i think in the next season we will see Warwick (atleast they hint at WW in the ending scenes)
But other then that........ EVERYONE else is fair game for being killed.
I just dont think they will kill ANY of the characters from the game.....1:they had chances to in S1 and didnt. 2: that would throw off the game lore drastically......and i dont think they intend to do that.......they are trying to build a world story that can be the back bone of the MMO RPG game Riot is developing........so it wouldn't work well to kill main and beloved characters before hand.
I had the same theory.
@@theblackowl555 right?! It only makes sense. Im interested to see how they introduce the rest of the world and LOL characters too. Demacia for instance
Love the comment section sticking up for Silco...we must all be so fudged up
So the thing with Jinx saying she wished Vi could love her as she was is something I definitely resonated very deeply with. I grew up pretty sheltered and naïve and that led to be me being bullied to the point I tried to unalive myself when I was young. Been doing fine for almost two decades since then (sometimes pretty great, so 👍) but it left me with a lot of baggage to deal with, and changed me a lot as a person.
A few years after that, I remember something my mom said to me - when I was going through a pretty bad, depressive funk - that was honestly pretty hurtful and stuck with me for a long time. She told me "Why can't you be like use to be?" That's a pretty insensitive thing to say to someone when they've gone through a traumatic experience that has changed them.
Now, I'm well aware that my mom didn't mean for it to be hurtful (and that she loves me very much), and she grew up in a country that doesn't really believe in the idea of mental health so she's not always the most informed about the subject (though she's learned a lot since then), but that didn't really change how those words felt to a teenager who was suffering from some pretty serious mental issues.
As someone else says, Vi invokes a lot of memories that trigger some pretty serious PTSD for Jinx. And she keeps talking about going back to the way things use to be and getting Jinx to be Powder again, not understanding that Jinx can never be *that* Powder again, not after what she's been through. Her trauma has changed her, and that's a part of Jinx now, and that's something Vi doesn't understand yet. In Jinx's head, Vi doesn't love Jinx as she is now, she loves the Powder she remembers (which I think Maple gets into in the after thoughts).
Now, none of that is justification for Jinx's definitely toxic and violent actions or pushing Vi into a lose-lose situation of deciding if she's Jinx or Powder by killing Caitlyn, but it is context for what's going through her head in a very high stress moment. And yeah, maybe given time and the right situation, Vi can come to love a different (hopefully less violent) version of Powder, but they weren't given the time and the situation to do that, which is honestly the real tragedy.
"He's very malleable" this is hilarious because word malleable literally means it can be flattened using a hammer. Which is appropriate for him
My hypothesis is that the whole council will survive, or few casualties. Here is why. In the scene where we are looking over Mel's shoulder as they are voting and JAyce Smiles at her. Just to the right you see a blue light move. Mel see's it. She is in a shock of surprise. Then when we are looking over her shoulder again. Gold thing starts to glow (The last time we saw a yellow glow was in the battle with Jayce, and Vi. Jayce's Hammer made a gold colored shield.) Mel's face as she turns is cool calm and collected.
Mel have a golden protection that is called solari shield, so she obviously will be protected, Jayce and Viktor as well.
I think Caitlyn's mother will died.
I think when Jinx says "You changed too", I you have to remember that while VI remembers a younger Powder that doesn't exist anymore, Jinx also remembers a younger Vi that doesn't exist anymore. She grew up with the Vi from episode one full of anger and hatred enforcers (like the one that killed their mom). In Epi 1, Vi wanted Vander to stand up for Zaun against Piltor more aggressively. When Jinx says, "You changed too" she talking about that sister that she grew up with which is the sister she last knew. One that probably would have been a lot more ok shooting an enforcer on the bridge the way Jinx did in Episode 7. The Vi that we see in the Imagine Dragons music video as an angry child older sister Powder looked up to. I don't think Powder would have been to conceive of the Vi she grew up with actually choosing an enforcer over her or wanting to work with Piltover to find peace. The truth is that night did change Vi too. It made Vi as much into someone much more like Vander and it made Powder into someone much more like Silco. One of the symmetry's of how Vander/Silcos relationship mirrors Vi/Powder. It's why right as Jinx says "you changed too" the show flashes for a second to Caitlyn on the floor.
Silco didn't love Powder, Silco loved what he saw of himself in Jinx, which is why he actively nurtured that in her while aggressively trying to stamp out any source of happiness or stability that might threaten to divert her from that. He was the ultimate narcissist, and even his dying words 'you're perfect' were intended to dissuade her from changing what he had made her into, an image of himself. Love - ACTUAL love - is selfless and tends to promote empathy. If Silco had truly loved her as a daughter, it would have created at least some degree of empathy in him for the children of others, which it clearly did not do. The fact that he made her invulnerable from the criticism of others, even well-deserved criticism, was just him protecting and excusing his own actions and existence. In the end, he wouldn't give her up for Zaun, not because he loved her too much, but because he was more about being the leader of the cause than seeing the cause succeed and Jinx was his vision of himself personified. He would never give that up. Many revolutionaries throughout history, regardless of their initial motivations, fall victim to their own cult of personality and lose sight of what their goals had once been. Just brilliant, brilliant writing of a villain imo.
Why does everyone thinks she shot at the moon 😂 . Also Silco wasn't lying