After the mutiny on the ‘Bounty,’ what happened to the mutineers who fled to the island of Pitcairn?
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- Author and travel writer Brendan Presser reveals new details of that infamous mutiny and, after a month on modern-day Pitcairn, he finds the descendants on that island are still haunted by the sins of their forefathers.
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Bligh was a brilliant navigator. He sailed and rowed the 3,000 miles using the stars. I don't believe the mutineers gave him a compass. He was a Cornishman from the border of Cornwall and Devon. Lived in London. A true hero caring for his crew if they got sick. Pitcairn is a British territory. Great video. A very inhospitable coastline and well chosen.
You don’t need much of a Compass in the ditch the water funnels up the east coast straight to the reef and Arafura sea and he wisely stay well aside of it as when the tide runs the troughs become bigger than the waves. Ive seen Corvette sized destroyers perhaps 80 feet to the radar and barely 100 yards away completely hidden in the troughs of a cranky Tasman sea South of Jervis. The roaring forties induced swells bend around the continent and the water pushes up the east coast so hard you can sea it in the wave function. You have the near constant cloud signifier of New Zealand; you could sail it with a white stick .Polynesians Melanesians etc. used wave function pattern recognition Mats to navigate there extremely well for centuries; waves reflect off the land masses in recognisable interference patterns.
Bligh was a superlative helmsman, he only needed a compass to pray to Mecca. Logs a chronograph and a Sextant would of been handy for the information the Sun couldn’t give him but he was in a bit of a hurry I’d imagine on a proverbial “bums leeward lads, Broad Reach, kite dragging goose wing hell bent for “ let’s not not die out here it will look poor on my CV ville” It’s a very popular resort for disenfranchised seamen.
Love him or loath him, he was a magnificent Sailor. He zeroed her in on the Dutch East India company’s Southern Operation like he was out to buy a paper.
WHAT? You forgot the Breadfruit?
Yeah, sadly all those guys ended up dying anyway from yellow fever. I don’t think a single one made it back to the UK from Bligh’s boat. He got himself back to UK though.
He learned from the best.
He was given a compass, he was denied any maps….in addition to compass he was given a ship’s clock and a sextant…. So he was able to take noon observations and calculate his position….. and with his ability to remember key locations FROM the maps he had helped to create as captain Cook’s navigator ….. maps without a compass or compass without a map…. If i were trying to find a location in town its alot easier to be able to get within a ten block radius of it and look around than it would be to know its exact address but have no idea of my own location or in what direction to travel
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There is so much more to the story.
Over the past year I have become obsessed with obscure and isolated geographic locations. 😁
Thanks for the book recommendation and interesting interview.
😊❤
One of those "what if the world go insane" scenarios. The community on the island or any of these smaller islands i think would remain intact. Might become a sanctuary!
Sheer luck? No Bligh guided them there with his superhuman skills of navigation
AND, he kept them all ALIVE!
Excellent step by step great out line of what really happened .
Thank you for the video Mr Maxa. This is a wonderful interview with Brandon Presser!
Thanks must read the book, my Mum was born on Pitcairn.
Great interview so interesting Thank you
LOVED this video. I will by Brandon's book, as I have always been fascinated with the Bounty and Pitcairn stories.
Check out The Bounty by Caroline Alexander, if you haven’t already.
Really enjoyable and fascinating, thank you.
Absolutely fascinating interview. Did not expect to find this insightful gem. Look forward to reading Presser’s book after I finish Rob Mundle’s book on William Bligh.
I've been there, for two days, in 2018. Why wouldn't anyone want to go there? I can understand that there may be a certain veneer going on, both in terms of the locals' interactions with each other and with visitors. I met half the population. Universally friendly and normal. Spent half a day in one of the more famous resident's house with a few other people on our cruise. Just walked right in! Pitcairn is gorgeous and not the least bit "strange". The homes are huge, well-kept and just like any other tropical homes (except they are huge and well-kept). I fully understand that my 2 days there was not enough to understand the true dynamics of this isolated space. The main issue floating around whilst I was there was whether the U.K. would continue to be willing to subsidize the island as a residential space. They are trying to attract immigrants, not just tourists, but with limited success.
I guess you didn't hear about the sex abuse of the place.
Great video
I had a long long ago relative - John Mills / Gunner's mate - who Mutinied on the Bounty. He was a brother to my 7th Great Grandfather.
Great interview unusual stuff.
The many Islanders described the place as the worst small town in the World. And sexual abuse of women and girls was out of control for generations. The women knew to keep their mouths shut about it when there was visitors around. The real story is that the Mutineers kidnapped their women and a few of the islander men. By tricking them onto the ship. It's no paradise in reality.
Yep, this detail wasn’t portrayed in the movies either.
Again, when it comes to women, Love or Lust, will drive a man to murder. Men has always exerted sexual desire over women since the dawn of Humanity.
Very interesting loved it
"the Cape of good horn" 🤣🤣
It's near Viagra falls. 😆
Mixing in that manner. That's a very polite way of referring to in breading.
Limited Gene pool..
@@marknewton6984 Well, if you of the mind to retire early...
what a great idea !
Just got done reading this book and it’s fantastic! Highly recommended. It’s not a happy tale though.
This is fascinating, but not once that it was mentioned that some of the people of Pitcairn ended up on a tiny island called Norfolk Island in 1856. I listened to this story and realise that he may have been "Iced out" by the islanders on Pitcairn, as he is not the first and not the last to write a story and when these people do write their story, they often do with an intent to make it look bad or look good, this dependent on the audience they want to sell to. Isn't that what a good story is all about? Mix fact with writers fiction and you create a story that people are drawn to.
I am a 7th generation living on Norfolk Island, and while I find this interview great, this interview it does not give time or has the time to tell the full story. Some of the information is speculation and with no evidence.
It needs to be mentioned that Bligh was a brilliant seaman, he also faced two mutiny's in his time the second in NSW where he hid under the bed.
Stories and interviews are set to sway opinions...on Norfolk Island we had murder take place which was so out of place for us..but all media could harp on about was how the islanders clamed up and said nothing... potential visitors crying "it is not safe" the fact is we do not have murders every day and nor do we have to lock our doors and fear for our lives. Yet these same visitors live with it every day and then proven in the courts that the person who committed the crime was from overseas and not an islander.
The power of media is strong!!! Tell a story as you want it to go...
I must add...don't get me wrong, I loved this and his interview touched on many facts...but at the same time when anyone reads any book, media or story. Keep an open mind that is all I am asking.
Islanders are batshit crazy.
@@Spgonahan aren't we all 🤣🤣🤣
The story about Bligh hiding "under the bed" has been proven to be pure fiction. Brilliant seaman to be sure, perhaps one of the greatest in recorded history, but the Captain was a complicated and conflicted man and none of us will ever be sure if he was a villain or a victim. It's part of what makes the story live on to this day and the endless fascination of the event, the people and the aftermath. You just can't make this stuff up.
Brilliant Book! What happened on that little island is just a micro cosmos of what happened right through world history. People live together in harmony, then someone has something someone else wants…
Do people really ever live in harmony?
@@johndeagle4389 some peeps do but not many .
@@johndeagle4389 I think it can be done, but with a small population.
“Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil’s pawn. Alone among God’s primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother’s land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours."
In the case of the mutineers and the tahitians on pitcairn there was no harmony from day one. There were more men than women and the men began immediately to kill one another to gain access to feminine companionship. Eventually there was only one guy left alive.
As, for the cause of the mutiny its hard to say. Of course those that were involved in the mutiny would say Bligh's harsh treatment was the cause. But, those that knew him well stated he was considered easy going compared to other senior officers of the time. For example, in cases where hanging was justified for certain offenses, Bligh would order whippings instead. From the known facts, the crew in question were not experienced long serving navy crew. In fact, Bligh was the only commissioned officer. And, what I mean by experienced they had never been at sea for as long as it would take and never dealt with the hardship that they had to. Further more, because of the late departure and arrival they had to stay five months which was longer at Tahiti. Further, Bligh made the mistake of allowing them to live during their stay on the island and mixing with the native culture. There was no military discipline until after they were ready to sail again, couple with Bligh's wanting to circle navigate by means of going around the Horn again, added to it. That was never their mission, but Bligh wanted to make a name for himself and hopefully move up in rank to Captain. As, for the later murders on the island, from what had been stated by the survivors it started with treatment of the Tahitian men and women by the English mutineers. To begin with the Tahitian men were tricked into coming along and were treated, as simple slave labor. And, both men and women were abused, verbally and physically. And, they killed them, starting with Fletcher Christian. And, according to Adam who was the leader of the island afterwards, four of the mutineers were alive and no Native men. And, out of the four one died by being drunk and jumping off a cliff, one was murdered by Adam and Young, because they claim he wanted Christian wife and would kill her and their children, if he was refused. And, Young died of either age or illness. When the island was discovered in the 1800s only Adam, 23 native women and several children were left.
Sex was the number one cause of the mutiny.
A Convenient suicide eh?
Dhuu right
After 230 some years people can surmise any motive or cause. Only the dead crew knew why they did it! 😅
I believe that Bligh was ordered to round the Cape. It wasn't his personal choice.
Awesome
Im getting this book
Bligh was almost certainly a victim of circumstance, human weaknesses and slander. The Bounty first of all was a poorly selected craft for it chosen purpose. A 230 tonne square rigger when he need a football pitch AND MARINES. Having checked as much as documentation as possible including the mutineers 7 volume expose of visits to the free clinic ( yes doctor it stings, these foolish things remind me of you), it seems obvious that it was unverified slander that sank Bligh and Semen that foundered the Bounty. If he indeed was loose with his tongue in a manner distinctly reciprocal to his crew which has no certified evidence to speak of merely hearsay he was definitely the most y punitive Captain of his era, and there we do have certifiable evidence; the Bounty’s log (pardon me, no reference to Fletcher’s dallying member dripping like metronome but a legal document serving as an inventory of the ships activities social and “otherwise” ( it burns it burns these goggles are no protection at all) Corporal punishment was at perhaps the lowest level in history UNTIL an obvious pecker obsessed crew had to leave their South Sea bordello and go back to the work they had agreed to perform, near all mutineers exhibiting the such levels of the Clap one might be more inclined to call it a standing ovation.
In fact the neglect of the cat was his greatest mistake. As philanders and pudendum obsessed infantile are seldom honest, can justify homicide it being common knowledge that among the most common creatures a standing member is void of conscience, and always quick to betray even their families this is their penchant for playing Doctor ( doctors it’s burning it’s Blighs fault why didn’t he stop me being a lecherous animal with no high qualities of human discipline. I’d love to see how many of these noble mutineers were also already married and just left the wives for Jane of the Jungle and a lifetime box of penicillin; what wife, what children, what duty, that’s not my signature Bligh forged it.
The man’s character was slandered without his OR HIS COUNCIL’S input while Edward Christian, a man with huge dogs in the pit, planted evergreens of discontent in his absence. Christians relatives also seem obsessively emotionally ( upset the letch didn’t write home advising of the acres of untouched wahine that Bob faster than a hydrodynamic desk ornament) involved whilst having no reliable narrative but all of Blighs family showed the control and dignity over these emotional waters in both conduct and profession.
It is obvious the Bligh was a man slandered and treated abominably by those he aided immeasurably and selflessly.
Basically their major gripe is “ he called us names or thief, when objects were in fact missing and Fletcher Christian still had half a woody for Tahitian vahine. Sounds like Fletcher would have sought work getting about in the San Fernando valley industry and it’s reliably documented.
In the end a well executed hatchet job on a man that had spared these philanderers the cat, which seems to me his greatest error.
As usual with heathens and layabouts they took his kindness as sign of weakness, then performed the great “ RUN AWAY RUN AWAY BURN THE EVIDENCE.
Then these “noble” mutineers as soon as one of them lost his wife fought and killed each other to a man over what? MORE POONTANG. !!
Join the Navy and bonk pecker falls off is not in brochure. I’d of thought the Admiralty might of shown a bit more reverence for a gentleman that had served them so well but men that easily swayed by hearsay alway Captain perfectly level ships!
".....the acres of untouched wahine that Bob faster than a hydrodynamic desk ornament...." You have me laughing. Quite good, brother...
Really interesting. I plan to read the book.
I’ve been to Tahiti several times it only rains short time of the day.
Read Peter Hayworths book.
The video isn't bad. Too many inaccuracies though. Among other things (some of them mentioned in previous comments): John Adams, the last surviving mutineer on Pitcairn, didn't "change his name to John Adams" as Brandon says, his real name was John Adams and he went by Alexander Smith while in hiding on the island.
They all got jealous over the woman and started killing each other
Lol. To explain things in the shortest way possible, that might be accurate, yes.
Although it's also fair to say, more seriously, and from a 21st century perspective, that there most likely was a racist mentality (just the usual and "respectable" mentality actually for 18th century europeans...) among those mutineers, who couldn't understand why these "inferior" native men wouldn't simply accept their situation and be happy with seeing their fellow native women being treated has private properties by us european thieves... But that's just my 21st century perspective. A little understanding and empathy goes a long way...
Thanks for your summary of all human history 🤦♂️😂
@@brunobailly7013 On top, Fletcher was an aristocrat and for the mutiny he could only get the low live on board. Some of them quite disgusting, with bad teeth, breath and manners. so even the woman rejected them!
Murder was bound to happen.
@@heinzmaier2739 And it did!
@@brunobailly7013 That has always been the down fall of many so called leaders/cultures. Thinking they were superior. The issue is, any fool can learn, Any savage can learn! And when they do, it equality time. Anyone of us can look, research and read history and see the same pattern in different era/cultures/tradition and see the mistakes and follies. We do it to this day!
The author was "frozen out" as he went to write a magazine stort but his questions, understandably, will have been frequent and involved.
These peeps will have agreed to house you and be pleasant... it sounds like they performed that role.
The BIG mistake the mutineers made was letting Bligh and his men who stayed loyal to him, survive! They should have been thrown overboard out at sea. Dead men tell no tales. Arrrrr
Bligh me, your a real pirate
That would have brought Murder Charges as compared to Mutiny.
Why would anyone stay loyal to such a bad man in the faith of certain death at sea ?? Of cors a woman who thinks with the underbelly, won't understand, but rather fall in love with Marlon Brando. Reality might be different.
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They weren't found again until 1814, 24 years later. It would have been unnecessary murder.
@@shable1436 It doesn't pay to be nice back then.
Not agreeing to the theory that captain was tyrant, it was low important mission so he simply didn't have proper guard. He was great navigator, he simple wanted all crew to stay alive.
If not by the many "hus" its a nice narrative.
The island has only one small beach that cannot be reached except by climbing down a cliff.
why destroy yet ANOTHER PLACE WITH cell phones
Spoke to islanders who say this is BS
Why would anyone want to go there for more then a day? Sounds dreadful. And I'm sure we don't know the real story of what happened to the men since only Adams tells the story...It really is a fascinating story..What Bligh did was incredible.And supposedly the ship that was taking the captured crew who stayed on Tahiti back to England sank. And the survivors ended up doing a Bligh rowboat journey themselves? Wow
Actually, the women also told the story which was recorded and stashed away in admiralty archives. They weren't discovered until the 1990s, they were originally dismissed because they were women and weren't European. The women all said they killed the remaining men because of the constant rapes
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Thought this was about muntainy on the bounty paper
Now I know where the term "Bounty Hunter" came from. Captain Bligh searching for his lost ship the Bounty....???
Fascinating conversation and I will buy the book. The locals probably appreciated the tourism ... but didn't trust a Western journalist who was likely asking too many questions.
Always been fascinated by The Bounty and Pitcairn Island…very interesting video, loved your guest! May I suggest something? I believe it’s pronounced ‘PitCANNE’ the way the film festival is called “Cannes”….thank you for your work, great!
problem was, the slaves in Jamaica didn't like breadfruit.
Reason for Mutiny varies, however, when it comes to women, things changed. Consider the social status of the crew, at best, were peasants. And of course taking care of yourself and prospect in England were extremely scant. So here, on Tahiti, they found wives, at least the ones that were consider decent, and when it came time to depart, they weren't allowed to go with.
What did they have to gain returning to England without their wives? And knowing they never return to the island?
Food, women, freedom, no worries.
Hell, everyone seek that nowadays!! Bligh, who had his ways, was not amendable to the crew wives, and people constantly grumble, bitch and moan. Not hard to extrapolate what may have occurred, as many incident in history, occurs over the love of a woman.
The Trojan War on a smaller scale. Human nature doesn't change.
Completely understandable from both sides.
Cape of Good Horn?
the presentor is ignorent.
A real world Lord of the Flies
The ghost of "Spencer Fletcher" appears to the left of the interviewer @ 29:27! 🙂
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Im Fletcher Christians great great great great grandson.
I have to say this- this guy is so handsome!! What a cool well travelled sexy man!! Where have you been all my life???
.....I've been to France,,,,,and,,,places.....
Please dont talk w hands.
It's very distracting.
Sure it was only about women? Even with one woman for each man on the island, there still would have been serious trouble thanks to the hard characters of most of the Englishmen. Some of the worst men in the Royal Navy--Martin, Mills, Quintal, McCoy, especially--were in Christian's party. They would have had no trouble finding excuses to start trouble.
All ok BUT what actually happened to Fletcher Christian did he die with his wife on Pitcairn,
Don't Go To Pitcairn! Marathon - Island of Tears REVISITED
The Captain Bligh Conspiracy
Mel Gibson would have revelled in the role of Fletcher, he hates the English and loves making anti-English films (Braveheart etc).
Has it ever crossed Brandon's mind that it wasn't 'Xenophobia' why he felt 'Iced out' ? It could simply because the locals thought he was a dickhead 🙂
More like more of the flies
Xenophobia?
How do you get that from just because you didn’t want to do stuff with you?
That’s a stretch
They didn't want to hang out with him everyday, they just wanted his money. That's what he means when he says they actually don't want toursim.
...They didn't want.....they sound like people in small villages , still . " There's nothing for you , here".
Not "Cape of Good Horn", just "Cape Horn". A world travel guy ought to know that. The Cape of Good Hope is at the southern tip of Africa. On their original passage from England to Tahiti, the Bounty gave up getting around Cape Horn, not the Cape of Good Hope, and turned east, passing Africa, the Indian Ocean and into the Pacific. You seem unsure of your geography, narrator.
Pitcairn not Pitcarn. Founded by the British. Britain is located in France and they have a moon there too. Bligh didn't find his way 'by sheer luck'.. He has a master mariner and knew his target port precisely. This video is junk
Yeah, your TH-cam video on subject is far more accurate.
@@machupikachu1085 You are lost at sea too eh ?
@@SunofYork I and others wouldn't be if you stepped up and created a more informative video on the subject instead of just complaining how other people's works are "junk."
@@machupikachu1085 You invented that I called anyone's video "junk" Now stop lying or jesus will punish you after he banishes childhood cancer
39:46 All the inhabitants of this island.
This island would be ideal for solar panels
How's the pizza delivery on this island?
Bligh me
A couple of things not mentioned in this interview: The population is now small and aging, so they need to attract young people, but their Xenophobia, which he touched on, has led them to only recruit among those who have left. There was a pedophilia scandal on the island some yers ago, and so among many who left their is bitterness and no desire to return. Probably their best bet would be to recruit among other nearby Polynesian islands: Tahiti, the Tuamotus, the Marquesas, etc.
British mutineers
Hmmmm 40 minutes of 'talking heads'? No thanks.
40 minutes and no boobs? WTH right?
PitCAIRN! Not Pitcarn!
It was blighs actions that got cook killed he was as we say in 🏴 a total bam
I have just recently taken a larger interest on this entire story. I am a retired law enforcement officer and security contractor and more recently I own a military antiques and firearms company and received a Masters in Military History so this story has really peeked my interest. I plan on purchasing a large security vessel so maybe I will learn how to properly treat a crew.
You did all that and still don’t know how to treat people ?
So these Americans take 'movies' as historical sources. Hopeless. Bet they can't wait to make a Disney fantasy about their heroism in Afghanistan. Where things are somewhat worse than at Pitcairn. Ongoing.
Good horn your an expert IT'S GOOD HOPE...AND IT NOT PITCARN IT'S PITCAIRN....
Cape of Good Horn?