Pocatello 2: Benchwork for the Pocatello Subdivision
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- In this video, we take a look at a new staging yard on my N-scale layout. i call it the Pocatello Subdivision.
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The Pocatello Subdivision on My N-Scale Layout: • Pocatello 1: The Pocat...
Nicely done Roy. Great idea from a viewer. I’m planning to move to my forever home in two years that’s when I’m gonna be setting up a spare bedroom with the layout similar to yours. I love when you run trains to show the new layout. Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much for your comment. I really appreciate it. Sometimes we have to build the layout of our dreams in a spare bedroom, when it's the only room available. I think the biggest constraint we model railroaders face is space, or lack of space. ...Roy
I'm looking forward to seeing the additional traffic through Green River. I prefer to use flex track on visible portions of a layout, but I used UniTrack for 2 large staging yards on a previous layout. I took my time before fastening down the tracks. That gave me opportunities to try different arrangements before settling on a permanent solution. I second the suggestion by southern207 to try the Kato extension tracks for making the connections with the lift out section. There may be a better option but I believe it would be worth an experiment.
Me, too, Jerry. That definitely should increase the traffic passing through Green River. After all, 45 to 75 trains pass through there on the prototype each day. I agree: it's a good idea to operate trains for a while before gluing the track down and ballasting it, because there's always the chance of discovering a needed change in the track arrangement while operating trains on it. I'm going to order those Kato extension tracks, because I think that may just be the best solution to crossing the cuts in the benchwork for the lift-out bridge. I'll need 8 of them. ...Roy
Hey Roy, that's awesome, never thought you could add that much more to your layout, thanks for sharing
Thanks, Randy. Yep, I'm finally working on what I lovingly call "Phase 4" of my layout, that part of the layout by the room and closet doors. I obsessed for a long time about blocking those doors, but i finally decided enough of that, because I've got a layout to build. ...Roy
thanks Roy for letting us follow along on your modeling and thoughts, they are very helpful and appreciated
For me, it's a real pleasure to interact with others in the hobby. Thanks for coming along with me on the journey, and thanks for watching. ...Roy
Another good video Roy. I consider the stub tracks on the staging yards as another opportunity for operations in that you have to attach different Loco's when running the trains back out onto the layout, thus releasing the Loco's trapped in the staging yards. As you say a loco holding track may be required but at least you would be varying the loco's used on your trains.
Neil W
Thanks, Neil. Exactly. I believe your suggestion is the most viable option I have right now. That is, have diesels on stand-bye in a separate storage track at the yard throat. These can be use to haul the train for its return run, and after the train has departed, the trapped diesels can move into the diesel storage track. ...Roy
Thanks for the cool run Roy.
Mike
It's always a pleasure, Mike. Thanks. ...Roy
You know if you were to add just basic scenery beyond the opening to the Pockey sub, the pass through wouldn't be as noticeable. With the bridge in front, hiding the hard lines of the opening, it would virtually disappear.
I don't know how many trains you run in a session but the crossovers at the throat would work. All you would need to do is run around each train between sessions.
Nice video Roy!!!
Very true, William. First, I have to put up the masonite backdrop there, and then I can begin to work on the scenery. The scenery that I do for Echo Canyon all along that side of the scenic divider should be the most spectacular scenery on my layout. I've ordered more turnouts. When they arrive, I'll be able to see how they work at the yard throat. ...Roy
Great work on the new staging area.
i like to see people enjoying their hobby. its nice to see someone who finds tranquility and joy in an occupation.
Yes, indeed, Rex, model railroading is a hobby that definitely provides tranquility and joy. Not everyone likes it, but I am convinced that model railroading really is the world's greatest hobby. ...Roy
i love it Roy. what about crossovers at the beginning of the yard to detach and run around the consist to go to the end of the consist to push the train to the end of the yard? also you could do the same thing to the end of the yard to untrap your locos if your train has to pull into the yard the whole way or have a dedicated yard switcher at the front of the yard where you could cut loose your big road locos and use it to push the consist back to the end of the yard the whole way. just a couple of suggestions my friend. i love your ideas for staging yards i do need one my self but am a little Leary of doing this since i am so far on the way with scenery. i dont have any more room to expand so i can only go down and that would mean a helix and a whole rearrangement of my track plan that i really don't want to change. oh well the constrictions of model railroading right. a fight to fight another day i guess. keep running those trains my friend. Jim Young
Thanks for your observation, Jim. I always appreciate it. I think you alluded to what will eventually be the solution to those trapped diesels, and basically, the solution includes a diesel storage track near the yard throat. Diesels waiting on the storage track can couple to a newly arrived train to haul it for its return trip, and after the train departs, the trapped diesels can move to the diesel storage track. I'm a really big believer in staging yards. They add operational realism and interest to our layouts big time. ...Roy
Roy..this comment was exactly my thought too.. either a series of crossovers stepping across from inside to the aisle ending at a dedicated run around track to untrap the entering locos.. and then push them the rest of the way in by either a dedicated yard dog or the engines you just detached. Your lift out is so simple.. that should work great. Tom
Very nice.
Thanks. I appreciate that. ...Roy
Very nice sir. Maybe instead of turnouts on the other end you could install a transfer table to move engines from one track to the other and should take up much space at all
Thanks, Robert. A transfer table is a good suggestion. As you might imagine, I'm considering all of my options right now, and your suggestion is one viable option. ...Roy
Nice work Roy! Looking forward to the updates on the new addition
Thanks, Tony. Those updates will be coming soon. I still have some work to do on the benchwork. I've ordered more turnouts for crossovers at the yard throat. Then there's the wiring and everything that needs to be done. I plan to share this work in progress. ...Roy
Hi Roy, the extension of the Pocatello yards is a great addition and long time coming. Your layout is taking shape nicely. After seeing your video, I wonder if you need some cross-overs as runarounds to back out the diesel units so they can be re-used on other manifests?
Thanks. I'm very happy with the extension myself. It's going to lead to a big improvement in operations on my layout.Yes, I'm going to have to do something to get those back out. I'm considering several options right now. ...Roy
Another suggestion would be Kato’s expander s, we use them on our modules, they work well. Cut the track as you need it and use the expanders to fill the gaps. Easy to insert and remove when needed.
That's a great idea, Mike. I love it. Thanks. I'm going to order those Kato expansion tracks today. ...Roy
Roy S., I would suggest to bring all 4 four tracks back into 1 tail track. That tail track could be a liftout bridge, that runs across in front of the door? Roy H.
Your layout looking good your off layout trains will be cool just like real thing but nice see this all done Taylor
Thanks, Taylor. I'm have a lot of fun with this extension of the Pocatello Sub. ...Roy
N-Scale Union Pacific Evanston Subdivision I am plessa for u Roy i wonder if bring around into your hole layout happy model railroad
Thanks, Taylor. ...Roy
Great work. I model in 3 rail O, and had a similar problem. I Testers glued my track to the bridge, and cut the rails at the joint of table and bridge. I also cut the ties back so I can slide the rail joiners back in toward the bridge side. Ballast would impede the table side. I haven't tried taking the bridge out yet, but so far no issues with electrical connectivity.
There are a number of ways to handle track on the bridge, Shawn. What I like about tour approach is that you glue the track down before cutting. I have to believe that holds the track in place as you cut it. What a great idea! ...Roy
Hello Roy, another inspirational video especially, as I'm in the process of building my 1st staging yard on my N Scale railway. Maybe you can answer a question for me (I live in the channel islands uk with no trains) why are double headed diesels coupled back to back? maybe it's a daft question for most. Many thanks and keep up the good work on your railroad. Julian
Thanks, Julian. It's a pleasure to hear from you. As you may know, I live here in Panama City, Panama. We actually have trains here. They are intermodals that travel from one side to the other side of the Isthmus, a distance of 50 miles each way. Yes, modern diesel consists normally run back to back (or rear to rear, as they say). That's so they can make the return trip without any need for switching the diesels around to face the correct direction. No question is daft. That's how we learn, and in model railroading, there's a lot to learn. ...Roy
Nice addition! I can sympathize about trying to use the maximum space available. My opinion: there's nothing wrong with moving the locos by hand as long as one is careful (clean hands, careful about details, etc)
Thanks, Gary. Right now, I have several options for dealing with trains having trapped locos, and I'm considering those options. I'm not sure what I'll end up doing, but I'll let you know. ...Roy
hi Roy... i think you're going to have to do what i am doing in my main yard & that is have one track designated as your arrival track with a turnout at the end to get your power over to the next track .. then you'll be able to run the power down to the other end & switch the train that just arrived to one of the other 2 available tracks... just my 2 cents... so basically you'll have 2 track for staging & 2 track for maneuvers.. vinny
Thanks for your comment, Vinny. As always, I appreciate it; I have several options for handling the trapped diesels, and I'm considering those options right now. Certainly, your suggestion is one of them. We'll see what I end up doing. ...Roy
Hi Roy and greetings from snowy England!!!!!
This looks like an other good addition to running your layout.
As it will obviously be necessary to lift your locos by hand, might I suggest a pair of white cotton gloves to pick them up, thus avoiding the dreaded finger prints on the locos. I now use white cotton gloves to handle all finished rolling stock to avoid finger marks.
Cheers, Bob
Thanks, Bob. I'm very happy with this addition to the layout. It's not finished yet, but it has greatly enhanced layout operations. I see what you mean about the gloves. I'm always reluctant to touch the locos unless it's really necessary. ...Roy
I got the idea from when I used to play premier league snooker :-) Bob
"There are not that many trees growing in this semi-arid terrain". We used to call the telephone pole the Wyoming State tree. lol
Haha! Good one, Bruce. I hope you don't mind if I use that quote in a future video. I love it! ...Roy
Bruce Giroux
Logging chins are used for wind socks as well.
ONLY IN WYOMING! !!!!
Lol. Agreed!
Very well done! I always enjoy your videos. When I get there, the upper deck of my layout will feature a large freight yard with nine tracks to hold 25 to 30 cars on each track. I don't have a staging yard but I hope this big yard will suffice. I've always liked the look of freight yards so I don't intend to have any hidden staging yards. I don't know a heck of a lot about operations but I think my plans will do well for what I want. Thanks for another great video. And congratulations on 2000 subscribers!
Thank you, Collin. I appreciate your comment. I look forward to watching the continuing progress on your layout. I agree: there is no reason to hide a staging yard. Hidden track only leads to problems. ...Roy
When are you gonna show us how you cut the track for the removable section? Looking forward to it!
GOOD SHOW Roy, this adds a lot to your operations, on a non-related subject, I was wondering how much space you have to work in for the other staging yard and do you feel is is enough or to much, as I'm thinking about adding one to my layout for better operations, thanks for sharing....Jack
Thanks, Jack. You're so right: the extension of the Pocatello Sub is a tremendous addition to my layout in terms of operations. By "other staging yard," I guess you mean the one under Green River. Well, it's 12 feet long and has 8 double-ended tracks. For now, it and the Pocatello staging are going to have to be enough, but I'm a big, big believer in staging yards and their impact on operations. I trust you've seen the video I did about the other staging yard. If not, here's the link: th-cam.com/video/j64i4uihCPA/w-d-xo.html.
...Roy
Hi Roy, Another great video. About how much weight can the vertical supports hold? II’m investigating all sort of possibilities on how I should mount my layout module once the room I’m putting in is ready. Your’s look very easy and might jut work for my needs. I’m modeling in HO and the first module is about 7’ long 18’ dep and will probably weigh around 20 pounds total once it is complete. I really like your videos,, please keep up the awesome work. Ron
Thank you, Ron. I appreciate that. To tell you the truth, I don't really know how much weight those L-brackets can support, but I'm sure it's a LOT. They are really strong compared to other types of L-brackets. It's a great way to support the benchwork and reduces or eliminates altogether the need to use benchwork legs. The ones I'm using are 12" long on one side and 8" long on the other side. There may be longer ones available, but I don't know. In any case, I think they should work for you. ...Roy
Hi Roy thank you for your reply. It does look very sturdy, it maybe exactly what I need. The room m going to place my room has to also double as a storage room. The lack of legs would make it possible for me to utilize the spare underneath for storage.
Ron
For the removable section, I'd suggest you watch Ken Patterson's Aug 2017 video where he built a removable section here - th-cam.com/video/4xda9jAdtbg/w-d-xo.html
Might give you some idea's on how to better simplify the section and do away with the bolts which you really do not need. Ken gave me the inspiration to build a pop out section across my closet door which I showed in my recent video, but instead of all foam and magnets which I did want to use, I just built pockets for the center beam to rest in, and let weight and gravity to the rest. Easily slides in and out without too much fuss.
Thanks so much. I'll check out Ken's video. As for the bolts, they essentially keep the lift-out from moving horizontally, which is necessary for track alignment. Of course, this can be done by other means, but in any case, it is very important. Well, we'll see, because it continues to be a work in progress. ...Roy
Use the kato expandable sections the ones that go from 3 and 1/2 in up to 4 inches
Yes, I thought of using Kato expansion tracks to cross the cuts for the lift-out bridge. In fact, I thought I already had one but couldn't find it. I'm going to have to order them. I will need 8 of them. This may indeed be the perfect solution. ...Roy
Awesome video!
Thanks, it's a pleasure to share. ...Roy
Hi, Roy! Are you going to install some type of type of a barrier along the edge of the bench work to prevent derailed cars/Loco from falling all the way down to the floor? I like your solution regarding the access panel to the closet. I'm looking forward to how you lay the track across it so that it doesn't impede the removal to get to the door. You could use your new staging yard as your fictional access point for BNSF trains as well as being the Pocatello sub division. Happy Railroading !
Well, Jim, I like to think such derailments won't occur, but that would be too optimistic. Better to be safe than sorry with those expensive Kato diesels. I probably will end up putting a very low strip of something along the edge, just enough to prevent any derailed diesels and freight cars from falling to the floor. Regarding the fictional interchange with the BNSF, I agree. That would be a perfect place to put such an interchange. Interchange ops are one of my favorite activities on the layout. ...Roy
Awesome, Roy! Your Pocatello staging yard is really coming along great. I like what you've done with it. What did you finally decide to do with the Unitrack on the edges of your lift-out section? Did you cut the track with a dremel tool as you suggested as one possibility, or did you find another way to separate the track from the shelf and the lift-out section? I'm curious to know.
Take care and happy rails to you!
-from Tom Pilling
Thanks, Tom. I'm very happy with the Pocatello extension and the operational interest it adds to my layout. A lot more trains can now run to-and-fro. I haven't really made a decision yet about the Unitrack on the edges of the lift-out. I'm still working on this and will have to describe what I decide to do in a future video. I'm also going to try one thing I didn't mention in the video, and that's to use Kato extension tracks which are expandable. I'm going to order them. That might work. We'll see. ...Roy
Hi, I'm from the Uk, I have an interest in US and canadian railways and plan to get a couple HO locos but fit then with UK couplings so I can use them. I also plan to build a deisels depot added on to the front of my layout. Basically, I also want a new gauge test track running along the floor of my room with a staging yard underneath my HO/OO layout. I know I have dragged on a bit BT I was wondering if there is any cheap n gauge starter sets you would recommend and would it be easier to use kato unitrack? Is there any chance you could do a video on how to start off in N gauge? Cheers, Adam
Thanks for your comment, Adam. I think laying track is always easier, more reliable, and more convenient when using Kato Unitrack. A beginner's video for N-scale sounds like a great idea. I'll add it to my list of video ideas. ...Roy
You could have put a hinge on the end the door swings out and added a connection to the main part of the staging yard to pick up track power so you wouldn't have to take off that section
That's certainly an option. I may still do that. ...Roy
I have an idea how you could get your engines to turn back around at the end of your yard if your interested but I love your layout and your videos sir. Thanks for sharing it
Rodney, if I remove the helix, I will install a reversing track where the bottom of the helix is now located. Thank you for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it. ...Roy
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Ohh okay then can't wait to see a video of it.
My idea was that on two to the tracks at the end of pochella (I'm sorry I don't know how it's spelled). At the end of the staging yard make a bubble loop that comes back onto it's self. From one track to another
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Hi, Roy
Nicely done sir!!! Makes me wants to get back into N scale. I have a question for you sir. Those L brackets where did you purchase them from?
I can always recommend N-scale because i like it so much. As for those brackets, I got them here in Panama where I live, but you should be able to find them at places like Home Depot and Lowe's or other home improvement stores. ...Roy
I no its few years late but what and the pieces of track you use wit no fishplates on many thanks sean in wales uk
I use Kato Unitrack. ...Roy
Roy Do you live close to Pocatello?
No, Tim, I actually live in Panama City, Panama. That's a long way from Pocatello. But I did travel through the area I'm modeling 11 years ago back in 2007. I guess it left a lasting impression on me. Do you live in that area? I really like to hear from guys who live in or who have traveled through the area I'm modeling. ...Roy
I live about 250 miles west, Near Twin Falls. In a small town called Buhl.
You can instal a turn table?
Thanks for your suggestion, Andrew. We shall see. I plan to upload an update, showing my progress at the Pocatello staging yard, this Saturday. ...Roy
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