The more I think about how to improve my animals welfare, the more I think that I shouldn't keep them in the first place. Life is such a double edged sword
I have the same thought about once a week. What I always end up concluding is not everyone thinks this way. There will always be people that want to keep these animals, so I should help contribute to figuring out how to improve their lives in captivity.
@@ericzeddies4471 I agree with you, and I've tried, but many platforms are too negative. There's a few groups with nice people, you'll see some of them in videos on this channel as well, but the majority of people aren't even willing to listen. I've quit all reptile related social media because I was just getting wind up all the time. I do really enjoy AAH and MPR podcast :)
I also avoid most reptile social media. I am lucky enough to have a 2 reptile shops near me and a reptile mini zoo ( similar to Clint’s Reptile Room), so I have the benefit of asking people in real life.
go learn about their natural environments. Learn how the governments, gangs, cartels, slums destroyed their natural environments and learn about their breeding season and habits so you can see we already destroyed their chances in the wild. This guy has nice enclosures but they aren’t as nice as people say the sizes are actually too small this channel is full of peta and vegan loons that don’t know about the animals or how to keep them let alone breed them😂.
I would appreciate it if you explored this topic again, but stayed a little more focused on the title. Don’t get me wrong, it was a great interview, but it felt like the frogs were the main focus with the occasional sprinkle of some common health issues from improper care. Again, great interview, but you can go so much deeper. Should we be able to own a tortoise that will easily outlive us (I have heard of people passing them down like a family heirloom)? Why do we say an enclosure should be long enough for a snake to stretch out fully, unless it’s past 10ft where 8 foot enclosures magically become long enough? A leopard gecko can live up to 20 years, but so can a house cat and plenty of people are keeping those just fine. I know that all the examples I just gave were mentioned in this episode, but they felt like a brief overview. How can you talk about large reptiles and not mention iguanas or most monitors?
Will do! However, those are definitely topics we’ve mentioned on the show quite a lot. So if you go back through the catalog, you likely find most of the examples you provided. I will definitely make sure to cover the topic again at some point in the future! I’ll try and link so episodes below
Here's a few episodes that cover these topics! Again, I will do another episode on this in the future. Thanks for watching, cheers! :) Dealing with animals that outlive you: th-cam.com/video/BLKKWcAS-EM/w-d-xo.html The issue with Iguanas: th-cam.com/video/WetO9S47T1k/w-d-xo.html The ethics of keeping large species: th-cam.com/video/aJqyCj-SfUs/w-d-xo.html How to properly keep large constrictors and anacondas: th-cam.com/video/Dg1_r20KH08/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for providing the links. I didn’t know you had an episode for each of these topics already, although I did watch the one about large constrictors when it came out.
I have been of the opinion we shouldn't be keeping large reptiles for a long time. My largest reptile is an adult female ball python, after upgrading her to a 4*2*2, I realize that this new minimum standard still does not cater to her size and activity level. For anyone concerned abiut reptile lifespans, consider adopting. I got my Crested gecko when he was 10yrs, same with my BP.
I don't disagree with the tortoises not being allowed in Canada. I have 2 sulcata in Georgia (USA) and our winters are very mild but there's so much less movement and normal behaviors while they're inside for colder temps.
1:07:34 it is annoying how easy fecals are to do, and how cheap they are. It is hard to get the meds for parasites now, but it is still cheaper than waiting for the vet to do it
I liked what he was saying about the frogs I. The first hour, but I think his assertion that people don’t want a reptile for 40 years is based off of, according to his own word, only seeing the sick and uncared for animals. But otherwise I found his opinions really lacking in accurate context. To the extent I can’t even consider it an argument due to logical fallacies, it’s just his opinion.
Well, yeah. When you're a vet, and only ever see sick or neglected animals as part of the practice, that will be the only side of it they will ever see.
You've clearly got points/narratives you're pushing about the hobby, perhaps expressing your guilt in a kind of gatekeeping or exclusionary message. The doc sounds much more hesitant to echo your sweeping claims and is more interested in describing how and where you tend to see problems in reptile care.
The title reflects one of the topics Alec and I discussed in this episode. It also happens to be one that HE asked to discuss on the podcast. If you listen to the episode, you’ll hear him bring both of those points up, not me. I happen to agree with him on both those points, but to consider my agreement with him “narrative pushing” or “gate keeping” is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. I’m not sure what I could possibly personally gain from “pushing” an ethos that focuses on improving captive husbandry.
"We Shouldn't Keep Large OR Long-Lived Reptile Species". This channel has just become progressively more radical lol. It's soon getting to the point where you'll argue that we shouldn't own pets at all as we can't give them 120% absolutely tip-top perfect nautralistic conditions. I'm 24 at the moment and I got my first Royal Python aged 11 who I still own to this day. Respectuflly, unsubscribing as it's incredibly ignorant to think that anything larger or longer shouldn't be kept as pets. It's particularly narrow-minded to suggest that people who own lots of reptiles simply get bored of the ones they have and will get rid of Royals (particularly) after 5 or so years.
did you even watch the video? This comment reads like you just read the title, didn't hear what they had to say, and instantly labeled them as "radical" and "ignorant". The vet was asked about things he does differently after becoming a vet and he said he explained hat he doesn't keep large or long-lived animals anymore, because it's much harder to provide enough space and impossible to predict your situation 20 years into the future. He didn't really say anything radical, he just said that most (not all) keepers don't consider these things as much as they should. Now i would get if you were a bit annoyed at the title being kinda misleading but there are literally time stamps in the video at least skip to the 10 minutes that they talk about it for before calling them ignorant.
100% perfect conditions does not necessarily mean naturalistic. But of course you should not seek to own any animal that you cannot provide 100% perfect care for. That's not radical ,just rational.
Sorry to disappoint you! Your subscription was appreciated but I can certainly that you no longer want to support content that you disagree with, no hard feelings. However, I would pushback on the accusation that this channel is becoming “radical”. This is a conversation with a vet, who has used his experience to determine that most keepers are not adequately keeping species that have long lifespans/are large in size. This is firsthand experience from someone who has to constantly deal with collateral damage from our community. If you spend years of your career treating tortoises who are sick due to poor husbandry, it’s not radical at all to come to the conclusion that most species do not make good pets. Since you’re only 24, I assume you aren’t a vet and therefore, aren’t having to deal with sick animals on a daily basis. If you were, you may have a different perspective on which animal should be kept and which ones should not be.
You may not agree, but you have to agree that it is a valid point. Most large snakes live under horrible conditions. Say an elderly couple living in the city want a dog. You wouldn't recommend a boxer or a husky for them. Those are high energy dogs that should be kept by high energy people. That's not radical to say. Most people don't have the means to provide proper care for a large snake. Much less an anaconda regardless of species. It's not radical to think that something like the Tiger King shouldn't happen.
“Radical” is an extreme statement and I’m curious if you watched the full episode? Or any of it? Dr.Brown spoke from his own experience and although he said some specific statements about what should and shouldn’t be kept- he was clear in saying that’s just from his opinion and like so many other of Dylan’s guests still agree that those in the hobby can police husbandry while still seeking to improve it. Statements like this end dialogue and our goal should be to keep improving as a community.
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The more I think about how to improve my animals welfare, the more I think that I shouldn't keep them in the first place. Life is such a double edged sword
Yeah, I definitely hear that!
I have the same thought about once a week. What I always end up concluding is not everyone thinks this way. There will always be people that want to keep these animals, so I should help contribute to figuring out how to improve their lives in captivity.
@@ericzeddies4471 I agree with you, and I've tried, but many platforms are too negative. There's a few groups with nice people, you'll see some of them in videos on this channel as well, but the majority of people aren't even willing to listen. I've quit all reptile related social media because I was just getting wind up all the time. I do really enjoy AAH and MPR podcast :)
I also avoid most reptile social media. I am lucky enough to have a 2 reptile shops near me and a reptile mini zoo ( similar to Clint’s Reptile Room), so I have the benefit of asking people in real life.
go learn about their natural environments. Learn how the governments, gangs, cartels, slums destroyed their natural environments and learn about their breeding season and habits so you can see we already destroyed their chances in the wild. This guy has nice enclosures but they aren’t as nice as people say the sizes are actually too small this channel is full of peta and vegan loons that don’t know about the animals or how to keep them let alone breed them😂.
I would appreciate it if you explored this topic again, but stayed a little more focused on the title. Don’t get me wrong, it was a great interview, but it felt like the frogs were the main focus with the occasional sprinkle of some common health issues from improper care. Again, great interview, but you can go so much deeper. Should we be able to own a tortoise that will easily outlive us (I have heard of people passing them down like a family heirloom)? Why do we say an enclosure should be long enough for a snake to stretch out fully, unless it’s past 10ft where 8 foot enclosures magically become long enough? A leopard gecko can live up to 20 years, but so can a house cat and plenty of people are keeping those just fine.
I know that all the examples I just gave were mentioned in this episode, but they felt like a brief overview. How can you talk about large reptiles and not mention iguanas or most monitors?
Will do! However, those are definitely topics we’ve mentioned on the show quite a lot. So if you go back through the catalog, you likely find most of the examples you provided. I will definitely make sure to cover the topic again at some point in the future! I’ll try and link so episodes below
Here's a few episodes that cover these topics! Again, I will do another episode on this in the future. Thanks for watching, cheers! :)
Dealing with animals that outlive you: th-cam.com/video/BLKKWcAS-EM/w-d-xo.html
The issue with Iguanas: th-cam.com/video/WetO9S47T1k/w-d-xo.html
The ethics of keeping large species: th-cam.com/video/aJqyCj-SfUs/w-d-xo.html
How to properly keep large constrictors and anacondas: th-cam.com/video/Dg1_r20KH08/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for providing the links. I didn’t know you had an episode for each of these topics already, although I did watch the one about large constrictors when it came out.
I have been of the opinion we shouldn't be keeping large reptiles for a long time. My largest reptile is an adult female ball python, after upgrading her to a 4*2*2, I realize that this new minimum standard still does not cater to her size and activity level.
For anyone concerned abiut reptile lifespans, consider adopting. I got my Crested gecko when he was 10yrs, same with my BP.
Yeah that’s a great point about adopting!
Nice to see Dr 'Alec' featured! Great episode 🐍🦎🐸💚
Thanks, Rick! 😁
Great episode. Would be great to see more of Dr Brown's setups, especially the Lygodactylus.
Glad you enjoyed it! You’ll have to check out his Instagram, I think he has a few good pictures of his Lydodactylus enclosures 👍🏼
@@AnimalsatHomePodcast Good shout! I have done that!
Another Educational Banger ,,, it was well enjoyed '
Thanks man!
Best episodes are rhe perspective from vets. Alot of great stuff this episode. 👏
Thanks, Mikey! 😁
Great episode!
Thanks for watching!
I don't disagree with the tortoises not being allowed in Canada. I have 2 sulcata in Georgia (USA) and our winters are very mild but there's so much less movement and normal behaviors while they're inside for colder temps.
Imagine being a frog and all you get is crickets,flies, meal worms,
Are there some other prey items you recommend?
Great topics and guest! 👍
Thanks for watching! :)
Go Dr. Alec Brown!!! He’s got some really amazing frogs.
Yes he certainly does!
1:07:34 it is annoying how easy fecals are to do, and how cheap they are. It is hard to get the meds for parasites now, but it is still cheaper than waiting for the vet to do it
Where do people get those species information lables like Dr. Brown has on hi vivariums?
cloudforest.design/
I liked what he was saying about the frogs I. The first hour, but I think his assertion that people don’t want a reptile for 40 years is based off of, according to his own word, only seeing the sick and uncared for animals. But otherwise I found his opinions really lacking in accurate context. To the extent I can’t even consider it an argument due to logical fallacies, it’s just his opinion.
Well, yeah. When you're a vet, and only ever see sick or neglected animals as part of the practice, that will be the only side of it they will ever see.
You've clearly got points/narratives you're pushing about the hobby, perhaps expressing your guilt in a kind of gatekeeping or exclusionary message. The doc sounds much more hesitant to echo your sweeping claims and is more interested in describing how and where you tend to see problems in reptile care.
Can you clarify what you mean? (I.e., “sweeping claims”).
"We shouldn't keep large OR long-lived reptiles", for one. @@AnimalsatHomePodcast
The title reflects one of the topics Alec and I discussed in this episode. It also happens to be one that HE asked to discuss on the podcast. If you listen to the episode, you’ll hear him bring both of those points up, not me. I happen to agree with him on both those points, but to consider my agreement with him “narrative pushing” or “gate keeping” is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. I’m not sure what I could possibly personally gain from “pushing” an ethos that focuses on improving captive husbandry.
Turtles are just a different kinda breed
"We Shouldn't Keep Large OR Long-Lived Reptile Species". This channel has just become progressively more radical lol. It's soon getting to the point where you'll argue that we shouldn't own pets at all as we can't give them 120% absolutely tip-top perfect nautralistic conditions.
I'm 24 at the moment and I got my first Royal Python aged 11 who I still own to this day. Respectuflly, unsubscribing as it's incredibly ignorant to think that anything larger or longer shouldn't be kept as pets. It's particularly narrow-minded to suggest that people who own lots of reptiles simply get bored of the ones they have and will get rid of Royals (particularly) after 5 or so years.
did you even watch the video? This comment reads like you just read the title, didn't hear what they had to say, and instantly labeled them as "radical" and "ignorant". The vet was asked about things he does differently after becoming a vet and he said he explained hat he doesn't keep large or long-lived animals anymore, because it's much harder to provide enough space and impossible to predict your situation 20 years into the future. He didn't really say anything radical, he just said that most (not all) keepers don't consider these things as much as they should. Now i would get if you were a bit annoyed at the title being kinda misleading but there are literally time stamps in the video at least skip to the 10 minutes that they talk about it for before calling them ignorant.
100% perfect conditions does not necessarily mean naturalistic. But of course you should not seek to own any animal that you cannot provide 100% perfect care for. That's not radical ,just rational.
Sorry to disappoint you! Your subscription was appreciated but I can certainly that you no longer want to support content that you disagree with, no hard feelings.
However, I would pushback on the accusation that this channel is becoming “radical”. This is a conversation with a vet, who has used his experience to determine that most keepers are not adequately keeping species that have long lifespans/are large in size. This is firsthand experience from someone who has to constantly deal with collateral damage from our community. If you spend years of your career treating tortoises who are sick due to poor husbandry, it’s not radical at all to come to the conclusion that most species do not make good pets.
Since you’re only 24, I assume you aren’t a vet and therefore, aren’t having to deal with sick animals on a daily basis. If you were, you may have a different perspective on which animal should be kept and which ones should not be.
You may not agree, but you have to agree that it is a valid point. Most large snakes live under horrible conditions. Say an elderly couple living in the city want a dog. You wouldn't recommend a boxer or a husky for them. Those are high energy dogs that should be kept by high energy people. That's not radical to say. Most people don't have the means to provide proper care for a large snake. Much less an anaconda regardless of species. It's not radical to think that something like the Tiger King shouldn't happen.
“Radical” is an extreme statement and I’m curious if you watched the full episode? Or any of it? Dr.Brown spoke from his own experience and although he said some specific statements about what should and shouldn’t be kept- he was clear in saying that’s just from his opinion and like so many other of Dylan’s guests still agree that those in the hobby can police husbandry while still seeking to improve it. Statements like this end dialogue and our goal should be to keep improving as a community.
People should just have to have a license to keep any exotic animal. Your shouldn't just be allowed to buy and sell reptiles.