FRIEREN VS. DEMONS?!! | FRIEREN: Beyond Journey's End EPISODE 7 | New Anime Fan! | REACTION
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It's so interesting how demons are depicted in this
You: What a mellow anime.
Frieren: I must be giving off the wrong impression.
If you ever feel like your job is impossible you could be Fern trying to change the behavior of a 1000+ year old elf with positive reinforcement.
But at least it's kind of nice job.
😂😂
Tanjiro : stop, demons have a heart too
Frieren : yeah, that's what i aiming now shut up. Zoltrak
Aura got traumatized by Himmel that she literally hid until his death😂
Oh, that makes so much sense...
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Yup. He gave her intense ptsd. Xd
I think it’s a bit harder to recognize Frieren because photos are really that common in this world. While statues of her do exist, statues do not capture one’s looks to the same fidelity as photographs or videos. Add to the fact that most people who might see her in person are dead and her tendency to not want to stand out, it makes a little bit more sense that regular folk don’t quite realize who she is most of the time. This is especially true for demons younger than 80 years as they don’t really live in places where statues of Frieren would be.
Also, Qual is the “Sage of Corruption” so not part of the 7 Sages of Destruction.
Ah makes sense!
The reason why Frieren does things methodically is because she’s been conditioned that way. Part of it is her nature as an elf, but also her master’s teachings, adventuring with Himmel, and more recently with Fern. She probably would have blown up the mountain side instead of levitating each boulder out of the way if she hadn’t been influenced by Himmel.
22:10 "They don't seem *evil*"
Correct. It's just what they do. A bear eating someone isn't an act of evil, it's an act of being a bear. That said, they have the capacity for learning, and I wonder what would happen if a demon were to live long enough to learn that leaving humans alone, or even working alongside them, would get them greater returns in the end than the alternative.
Well you can try to plant a seed in salted earth and even with plenty of love, care, and knowledge it would never grow.
It would result in a world like "The promised Neverland" but with a world that instead of being half controlled by humans and half by demons, it would be all demons.
Remember that Fern was complaining a few episodes ago that Frieren never woke up early by herself and she had to wake her every day.
I do remember... 🤔
The thing with the demon race in Frieren is that they are a basically a convergent species when compared to humans. They are basically monsters that adapted and evolved to be able to act and appear like humans in order to more easily prey upon humans. Thus they dissolve into mana when killed like every other monster encountered. The difference is they are intelligent and they can speak with humans just fine, but the problem is they do it to lower their prey's guard and to take advantage of their emotions and morals. They are a predator hunting prey, and thus in that regard they do not feel guilt for it. Does a hunter feel guilty for the animals they have killed? Are hunters not willing to trick an animal they are hunting if it means they can kill it more easily? This is why these demons are uncanny. They are human-like beings who can do horrible and cruel things to humans, but they feel no guilt and they have no malice. Their human facade hides the fact they think in a way that is alien to humans and they prefer it that way.
It's not "convenient" that she runs into a commemoration of the hero's party's achievement because she is journeying along the same exact path so would be arriving at the same spots approximately at around the same time, assuming that she travels at approximately the same speed. So if she runs into one festival (anniversary of the hero's party's achievement there), she will of course arrive at the next town at around the same number of days the hero's party got to the same next town and saved that town.
I love how they depicted Demon as emotionless emphathyless creature in this. It makes them more of a monster rather than a character, not like any other anime.
Yeah, you kinda feel bad for them, and at the same time, you don't. Demons are born psychopaths and there's nothing they can do about it. There are several instances in the series where demons tried to reach out and bridge the gap but are unable to because they have no empathy and are incapable of truly processing and understanding emotions.
Exactly just wait until he sees how powerful frieren truly is
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@@GOTGames amm sorry if you feel spoiled about what I said 😔
@@gowther1973do be careful but it's not really a spoiler. We haven't seen her strength so it's clear everyone is waiting for her full strength
Yeah, I would imagine almost all demons, who have seen Frieren, have died shortly after. And it's not like they had a camera to snap a picture of her, or the internet to spread it around. Demons aren't even that much of a society tbh. So at best, a demon would know that "A hero party had an unknown elf mage who really didn't like demons".
I'll be looking forward to the next 2 episodes, they're gonna be banger
Come to think of it, Himmel was such a gigachad that Aura had to wait until he died to even dared to came back.
I came to the conclusion that the demons are like ai text generators. The ai doesn't have any feelings about the words it generates. It just creates what will fulfill the request the best based on an algorithm.
The best analogy I read about the whole "demons can speak but not communicate" is that they are like hunters who are able to whistle to attract birds and hunt them. They don't know what they are saying when whistling to the birds, they only know what kind of sounds make them do things we want them to do. It is just that since human speaking is a little more complex than whistles, the demons sound like they can comunicate, when they really don't have a good concept of what the words they say mean
Aura is one of the Seven Sages of Destruction. The previous guy was an "Elder Sage", but not one of the Seven.
As far as "why 7", I am guessing it ties to Japanese mythology. The Seven Sages, plus the Demon Lord, would make eight, so could be a reference to Orochi the Eight-headed evil dragon of myth.
also Christianity, 7 is the number of God, just like 3 is perfection, 6 is the number of man , hence why 777 is the Perfect God, the Holy Trinity and 666 is the perfect human and why it would be the antichrist
The number 7 represents completeness, 7 days in a week with the 7th day being significant. So 7 gets associated with God and God’s plan in the Bible. But in other cultures too 7 gets significance possibly because it’s a prime number.
The title is historical, it actually originates from Antique Greek, referring to set of pre-Socratean philosophers, statesmen and mathematicians. They are not talked that much due to Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, but they are nevertheless an interesting piece of history.
Also, the antiquity was fascinated with number seven, there were seven seas, seven metals, seven planets (actually five plus Sun and Moon, you can't see everything without telescope) and seven day week.
Not explaining why seven but SPOILER :
There was another demon between the seven sages and the demon lord, so they were 8 without the big boss.
The sages of destruction all have very unique magic that work well for destruction.
If I had an infinite lifespan I'd also be pretty lazy about doing things. Why hurry when you got all the time in the world?
"It's always 7" is not something I've really thought about before, but yeah, it's odd how that number keeps popping up out of japanese media. The Dragonballs, The Chaos Emeralds, all the references to the 7 Deadly sins (including the show that took that as its namesake). And knowing how they treat "4" (shi/death) over there, part of me wonders if it's not the same sort of linguistic thing. That or something religious, Buddhism, Toaism, Shintoism, Christianity which has its imagery used a lot, (See also: Death Note, Evangelion, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherood, etc.).
I love the demons in this series. The way they're introduced to intentionally lead you to believe that the war with the Demon King led Frieren to have a negative bias towards them, implying that they're just another misunderstood race of fantasy people like elves or dwarves, like most fantasy anime...only for it to be revealed that NO, Frieren was RIGHT to try killing them on sight, they're literally monsters that look and talk like people as an evolutionary act of mimicry to exploit ingrained human vulnerabilities, that her experience as someone who spent so much time fighting them SHOULDN'T be discounted because this isn't a world where the trope of evil demons exists to be subverted, and your genre awareness isn't an advantage here. If you find yourself empathizing with them, their trick is working and while you should always try to extend that empathy in times of uncertainty, it's also important to harbor some reasonable suspicion lest you be preyed upon.
This story is so well thought out. Not in an FMA, Attack On Titan, perfectly plotted out, closed circle kind of way, more in a Tolkien way, where the world is full of things that make sense and have their own context and history. There's an in universe explanation for the evolutionary psychology of both Elves AND Demons. It's awesome.
Short Info: Lord Lügner is german for Lord Liar, Draht means wire, Linie ins line
I can't wait for your reactions of the next episodes
Love this show
Yea anime, but this one especially, really likes their German words.
Even frieren is German for freezing.
Qual was actually not a Sage of Destruction. He was a Great Demon. All the Sages of Destruction are Great Demons, but only seven of the Great Demons are Sages, those selected as major pieces of the Demon King's army.
-Opening suggestions:
1. Ergo Proxy, "Kiri" by Monoral
2. The Big O, "Big O! The Show Must Go On!"
3. World's Finest Assassin, "Dark Seeks Light" by Yui Ninimiya
4. Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress, "Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress" by Egoist
5. Mobile Suit Gundam, all openings
6. Schwarzesmarken, "White Forces" by Fripside
7. Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex & 2nd Gig, "Inner Universe" & "Rise" by Origa
8. Moriarty the Patriot, "Dying Wish" & "Twisted Hearts" by Tasuku Hatanaka
Himmel left many stone statues for future Freelen.😭❤
That's love.
It was subtle but Himmel had a visible reaction to Fieren saying she was probably the one who knew what Flamme looked like. For a merchant he didnt seem that smart but then again who would believe that they had stumbled across a legendary hero who was now clearing a landslide for you for pay.
Most demons are something similar to a complete sociopath, except they are also completely ignorant of how humans think or how our society works.
Himmel's such a gigachad, his mere existence kept the demons at bay.
I love that ending. "I'm stronger than your boss"
I think it’s necessarily convenient timing but that we just see the interesting parts of her journey. So all the towns she hits where there aren’t festivals or grimoires or such don’t make it onto the anime/manga
yeah the chief adopting the demon right in front of the parents that got their child ate by said demon is mad disrespectful..
Frieren remembering her master like they just met yesterday and Himmel noticing that she felt alone then proceeds to state that they existed and this time people will remember us was just too sweet
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Yet even sweeter was the idea that Frieren won't be feeling so lonely seeing the statues of her friends here and there, not being the only one who knows their faces. That's another level of empathy - knowing how a person would feel in many decades in the future.
7:25 Think of it like the conversation between Gandalf and Frodo, "A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins, he arrives precisely when he means to!" He said it jokingly, of course, but Frieren as a long-lived mage gives me a similar vibe and it makes me think she uses that unfathomable memory of hers to intuitively navigate as she is reliving the 10 year journey she to with Himmel and the others.
"She's not really gonna stay there for two to three years, right?"
I mean, the way this story does timeskips, would it really surprise you? :p
Listening to the Demons in this episode gives me a very nero-divergent vibe. I think the closest thing I can think of is the actual definition of Psychopath, or Sociopath, it's really interesting listening to their form of logic, even though it's not ours. Maybe it's some uncanny valley effect? That said, you're in for a treat with the next few episodes.
7:30 when you arrive in the first place and there is festival, i think the all next journey will be festivals too, because they literally took the same way as Hero party take, so like... If the first place is held festival to celebrate hero or something, the next town will too, because hero party will likely come at same time
I love how the Demon's name is German for Liar.
Frieren learned that the real treasure in life is the demons you kill along the way,
7:37 Only a couple. The first because they spent months in the area before (the beach) and now because they are following the same route that they did the 80 years ago, so they arrived at a similar time.
oh yeah the hype arc has begun
Frieren is the best new show of the year for me, fight me.
Oh man Spy X Family gets A LOT better this season. The first episodes of the season are just aperitives but the rest of it OMG it's amazing.
My plan is probably to do a stream to catch up with spy family
31:00 (no spoilers here) next episode... will have a chilling scene. The name of the anime was translated wrong into English... But don't research that now Luke, only after seeing a certain scene in the next episode hahaha
Frieren will continue to surprise you. And I mean that in both ways. Frieren the show, and Frieren the sl- I mean character.
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21:20 I'm glad to see for the 1st time, someone having the exact same interpretation of this scene as I had.
There's not really a definition of good or bad on a demon's head. They just decide to do something and go forward with it.
In this case, it seemed she just wanted to live peacefully, and so decided to try to "reconcile" with those 2 that hated her. But her means are obviously "evil" in the eyes of humans. So there's just no telling when a demon will do something problematic on whim.
Literally everything Friren does, she does slowly unless urgency is demanded by the situation. When your lifespan is that long, you never feel like you need to rush anything.
frieren is recreating her journy with the original party, she deliberatlly arrives at thos specific times if she is able.
You’ll learn more soon, but let’s go with “any demon that has seen her fight seriously is dead”.
4:13 The little smile when she can criticize Stark, after Fern already criticized her XD
This episode builds to the best showdown in episode 10 and all throughout you get to points where you think it can't get any better but it does.
There're no social media or picture in that era and you have to be more than 80 years old to see her face and I'm pretty sure that most of them is dead right now, so that's quite normal for poeple to not recognized her.
Raw magic power is dependent on inborn talent/affinity, training and age.
Frieren has all of the above far exceeding humans, but for an elf she is actually still young.
6:50 It even makes a lot of sense in evolutionary terms. The animals that reproduce most are the ones that live in constant danger (like rabbits), while every animal that has high chances of surviving and living a long life (whales) reproduces a lot less. If a species gets to the point where they're almost immortal, and also extremely powerful with magic, it doesn't make sense for them to also want to reproduce a lot.
This episode and the next few are incredible.
Next 3 episodes are the best so far. Also the flex...
Are u stronger than me?
I am stronger than your boss'es boss
@@Dintsay I didn't ask for one
You saw Qual, he was a demon as well. Out of all monsters, those who can imitate (learned) human speech are categorized as demons.
Demons are essentially wolf in sheep's clothing sort of. Though they never pretend to be human as they are arrogant and proud. Humans are still beneath them as their prey.
It's essentially a ploy of deceiving their food into letting their guard down.
9:18 and that scene hit me so hard cuz it was just like the lyrics of the opening “ Yuusha”
25:51 The number seven has significance in basically all cultures across the globe, deep into history and prehistory.
There's probably some biological basis for that, but it's not clear what that might be.
Another consequence of that significance that you may never have really thought about is the number of days in a week.
Grahnt(or whatever his name was): Do you think you are stronger than me?
Freiren: Nah, I'd win
this show is so beautiful!~ fkn love it
I love the interpretation of demons in Frieren. It's not that they're 'evil' per se, but their thoughts and morality are so utterly *alien* and incompatible with humans' that the two species are completely incapable of coexisting.
Your analysis of Demon's demeanor is correct.
Let's goo ! ! ! It's a good setup episode.
Frieren is a brilliant show, but it is not underrated.
Currently, it is the highest-scoring anime on MyAnimeList, with a score of 9.10...just ahead of FMA Brotherhood.
"Most underrated anime of the year".
No it isn't, it took 1st spot on MAL from FMA:B. It's very much rated perfectly. If they keep up the quality, it's going to be single biggest disruptor of status quo in the last what, 5-10 years?
It's not that the events were conveniently timed, it's that when you go on such a long journey and stop by so many places, you are bound to have a few reminders here and there of the enormous feat your party had achieved. Especially if you were to journey on the exact same route that you took before. You are bound to chance upon a few of the yearly celebrations (of the world being saved) at some of the spots you pass by.
Demons in this anime give me the same feeling I get from talking to crazy people. They are like sociopaths with grandiose delusions incapable of empathy with humans. Make my skin crawl.
Himmel death and Aura regain her power at the same time, for what we know, it's just coincidence and without relation.
Also, Frieren is an elf and has lived longer than any human can imagine. The merchant who accompanied her to town, for example, is possibly between 50 and 70 years old, meaning he never lived during the time Himmel and his party ventured out and defeated the Demon King. He only knows the stories of the hero and his group. Plus, It is like @rediciclepop4639 commented, statues never accurately capture people's features. Frieren is known by name, but will very rarely be recognized physically by people, especially those who were born during the period of peace (she is known without being known). The people who knew her 80 years ago and know who she is, most of them have already passed away. People can even see the similarity between the statues and Frieren, but that is all, as everyone only knows her by name and the statue is nothing more than an imperfect representation of the real person. It's different for us who have pictures and videos of famous people of 100/200 years ago, for example.
Another thing is that young demons don't recognize her, only older demons who encounter her and survived.
It's not just a coincidence, She hid until his death. Himmel was the only person to have such a strong will that he fully resisted her magic and managed to take a swipe at her. She was terrified of him.
@@Hy3jii the anime suggests that it was Graf Granat's son who briefly achieved this feat, perhaps they changed it in relation to the manga (I haven't read it, so I don't know).
Spoilers from ep 10.
You can literally see in a flash frame, Himmel sliced up Aura. ;)
@@jaideepshekhar4621 this is literally 3 episodes ahead. Saying this after we all have seen don't say too much, since I'm weekly and waiting for episode 14.
@@MalufMatheus I edited it. I don't think it was too much of a spoiler though. **shrug**
Also, pretty easy to figure out anyway.
Demons come in many forms, but many of the higher ones look really closely human.
Yeay! Frieren time❤
Most fantasy treats other species as humans who are short or humans who are green or humans who have point ears. Freiren is not human. She doesn't have the same biology, psychology, social expectations, emotional or biological imperatives (or at least not operating along the same scale of time) or anything really except for the common language they speak. I'd say an inability to get going in the morning is a pretty mild difference given how hard some humans find that. She isn't built to be part of a hustling species of short lived fast paced humans. As long as she eats enough, sleeps enough and enjoys her time, what does it matter if half any given day is "wasted"? While her days are not truly limitless in number, she will have so many of them, that there truly is no reason to rush. Given their numbers even before they started dying out, they just don't do anything on at a reasonable speed by human standards except killing their enemies or engaging with others as they encounter them.
It's possible she may have even come to feel more than fondness for Himmel given a century or twelve but that wasn't going to happen and given the scarcity of elves at this point in the world's history, there aren't enough of them anymore to build a population. There are humans who do not develop serious attractions unless they have an established relationship with the other party. Whether this is due to reticence or a cognitive difference from the mainstream doesn't really matter. Perhaps Elves in general, or at least Frieren needs that long established emotional connection to take anything beyond friendship or aquaintance.
Also, demons in this world are evil in the sense that they prey on humans and are well adapted to doing so. From what I understand they preyed on elves before the elves fell into decline also. They are simply a different type of being, equally intelligent to humans or elves or dwarves but mimicking humanoids in form and speech to varying degrees to lure their prey and divert danger wherever possible.
the demon kid actions is indeed logical, the problem is their goal, they do all that to eat human as far as i know
The next couple reactions will be fun
You should check out the ending theme of the final Evangelion movie, it's called One Last Kiss by Hikaru Utada. It's really good.
Ps, if you ever want to get into Evangelion, I recommend skipping the TV series and going for the rebuild movies (Eva 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, and 3.0+1.0) The first two basically re-do the original series and extend the ending from an unsatisfying one to an actual ending.
Frieren really said AroAce rights 😂❤
These next few episodes reinforce a couple things especially how Frieren isn't well known. I also like that this series is popular for two big reasons. First, it's classical fantasy not the bog standard isekai spam we've received. Second, the antagonists (the demons) are objectively bad and are shown as such. What I think is interesting about it and that it'll get into later is why the Demon King was waging war.
unfortunately the anime won't get far enough to cover the macht, solair, and the city of gold. at best the anime will end with the magic exam. because they can't cut out the magic exam to skip to the city of gold arc because the magic exam is the arc that introduces the characters of the city of gold arc. they would need a third season to get to the city of gold arc.
@@dawnseeker176 It actually will. The first 4 episodes released at once were considered one and it will have two seasons aired right after so no wait. Considering the last episode we should see those arcs.
@@Butane9000 the math doesn't add up if you look at the rate and how much each episode adapts. we are getting 28 episodes aka 2 seasons not three seasons. the magic exam arc is long and seeing as how the adaption hasn't been cutting things out yes we won't get the city of gold. we still have one arc before the magic exams. magic exams arc covers 24 chapters then we have 2 more arcs after with a combined total of 16 chapters. and the city of god arc covers 27 chapters if they want to fit it in they will need to cut content
edit the anime has in 11 episodes adapted only 23/24 chapters of the manga. you do the math.
Used to have more festivals in the UK, but then Puritans, etc. (Eventually many of them headed off to America to impose that sort of thing there...)
Qual (demon in the stone) was NOT one of the 7 sages of destruction. It'll be a while yet till see some of the rest of them.
Wasn't he an Elder Sage?
@@ChrisH43 yes, He was an elder sage of corruption. not of the seven
@@ChrisH43 Yes, but that's not one of the 7 sages of destruction. They are different. We see pictures of them in the manga, as well as most their names. Qual is not one of them.
Frieren is TAOY
Pretty funny calling Frieren the most underrated anime of the year when it is the all-time highest ranked anime on MAL.
7 is one of the magical numbers, I think they are 3-7-13 :O
In Hebrew, 7 also means "complete".
Hebrews (and Egyptians) counted in base 12, rather than base 10, which is one of the reasons that there are 12 hours on the face of a clock.
I love this anime but some plot of it is contradictory. Demons use language to deceive people yet they also use the same language to communicate with one another that is bit odd. Great reaction!
Also elves use the same language.
@@jaideepshekhar4621while that is true, it's more than possible that elves invented the language or created it alongside humans.
As far as we know, in Frieren's fantasy world, humans, elves and dwarves come from the godess but demons don't, they descend from monsters.
You could argue the same about dwarves but the three races; Humans, Elves and Dwarves are intelligent because they were created from the goddess.
Demons... They descend from not very intelligent monsters that used to cry for help in dark caves to attract humans as well as the fact that they only prey on humans, and if I had to guess, they were probably created by an evil god or a real demon.
Damn, I was late! Time to chatch up!
I'm sure your wife enjoyed the conversation between Fern and Stark because it's actually about politeness levels in Japanese conversations. Fern pretty much speaks in written formal Japanese.
Next episode: "sousou no Frieren"!
いつも楽しく拝見させていただいてます！
@23:41 Now would you recognise famous people from 80 years ago without wikipedia, internet...
Paradox Live op reaction??
Why are you saying Ura, the subs say Aura, they are saying Aura.
About the seven, seven is widly seen as a lucky/unlucky number. And about the sins i think the cristianity believes there are 7 capital sins(that is where those of full metal alchemist where based on)
Greed, gluttony, envy, avarice,pride,wrath and lust.
While it is a common trope I do think it makes sense that this long living beings would seem lethargic. They have more than enough time to do things over a few days that should only take 1 and also would just to live this long with the same general body humans have there be a need for the body to work slowly and therefore last longer
Ps.: it is funny how the duke screams lügner to a person he has n that moment outs as lügner. Naming him lier was made for that scene
Just so you know, freiren is hotter than aura
"Young girl a"
Another Japanese song
Seeing people first impression on demon after the story tell by Frieren is pity was very rare.
There's also one character in later(won't appear in this course of anime) will feel pity to a certain demon. The similarity between the character and you might be understanding the inability of demon to understand humanity's emotion and moral.
Code gean on main channel
there is one anime about going to heaven you recently reacted to opening of and it was the one nsfw opening you almost didn't watch :P
Pls react to all the Pokémon Japanese openings 🙏
React to EVE - Avant ❤
She is not so famous as Himmel, she has hidden her light under a bushel, so to speak
what i really like about this show is that not only they portray Demons as all powerful, but also as evil coniving beings... there's no redemption to them, there's only pure evil
Just so you know, I'm strong😁
13:10 Qual was a demon
Day 2 of reminding you to react to the Japanese Beyblade openings. Unlike in the English version, here you get multiple openings per season in any generation. Thanks for checking out!
It's always 7 says in literally ep 7
Como ¾
Soon you will understand why is she lazy