Do ENGINE MOUNTS Improve Traction on the Honda Accord? [Motor Mounts, Engine Mounts, Torque Mounts]

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  • @thisguyfuc
    @thisguyfuc ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hey I have a question about the turbo, did you get any warnings doing 0-60 runs after adjusting the waste gate actuator nut?
    How is the car running with the Kuro Turbo? How has it done over the past few months?
    Would you recommend this upgrade? Because I’m about to order it I think but I would love your honest input.
    I don’t want the p700 turbo its too big.
    Is this a good option in your opinion?

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      First off, thank you very much for your support, and generous "Super Thanks", it's very much appreciated! I did not receive any warnings tied to the adjustment of the wastegate nut, once it was set properly, i.e. setting it within its functioning electrical range. I did receive a warning during a track day, and found from the datalogs that it was ever so slightly out of range, but after a simple readjustment I have yet to receive any additional warnings. I do enjoy the turbo, and feel as though it was a good option, for me. It provides more top end power, where the OEM turbo would die off, but at the expense of some low-end torque. Less than 2K RPMs is underwhelming, but >3.5K RPMs it really moves. I would not want to go to a larger turbo as although I'm sure they'd be great for 1/4 track times, I really don't think they would be as fun for day-to-day street driving. With that said, I would also consider the new FL5 twin scroll turbo as it seems like it would behave very similar to the Kuro. Regardless of turbo, any upgrade from the Accord OEM will result in a loss of that peak torque down low in the RPMs, so be aware of what you're giving up, in comparison to what you'll gain. Hope that helps. If you have anymore questions, feel free to email me (address found on the "About" tab on the channel page).

  • @garrettmiller5356
    @garrettmiller5356 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That’s crazy the difference between modded and stock. 2nd gear launches stock are usually better than 1st gear launches. But modded it takes a second to actually get up and go.

  • @jordanodom4439
    @jordanodom4439 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just installed upper and rear torque mounts from hasport in 62a. Vibes and noise are only really at idle or low rpm. The benefits are much better suspension feel in the front end. Much more responsive engine feel. Paired with the 27wom strut bar the steering wheel feels tighter and the car feels solid !! Traffic might suck but other than that it’s worth it !

  • @87gn93
    @87gn93 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had the Honda 6-speed upper/Hasport lower. Car felt more responsive and connected. The vibration at idle was not good. It went away when I started moving, but I hated it. It never went away as some people said it would. 5k miles later and it was still there. I did like how it felt when going to the floor at highway speeds. I eventually took the Hasport out and went back to stock on lower. Vibrations went away, but lost the "stiff" feel. I ordered the Honda 6-speed lower, but haven't installed yet. I bet the Honda lower 6-speed will be the best combo. I'll let yall know my results and opinion of upper/lower Honda 6-speed mount combo. Thanks for all the testing Chad!

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      I was planning on going the summer with the mounts, then testing the 6-spd lower mount as you are. I’d love to hear your experience - keep us informed 👍

    • @kidnman4605
      @kidnman4605 ปีที่แล้ว

      how is the lower mount 6 spd?

    • @desioasis2378
      @desioasis2378 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What was the experience with the 6 speed mounts?!!!

    • @87gn93
      @87gn93 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @desioasis2378 I went with 6 speed upper and lower. Vibrations gone.Not as responsive, but no wheel hop. I have Phearable Stage 3. Traction is an issue with too much throttle.

    • @desioasis2378
      @desioasis2378 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@87gn93 thats nice, i got phearable stage 4 and in at 90k miles now with stock mounts and yokohamas advan as sport plus, when i had the phearable stage 3, my stock tires use to spin all day but as soon as i changed to yokos, the grip was so crazy that i could go full throttle from a dig and the wheels wouldnt spin at all! 245 tire size but now that im at stage 4, and also my tread real low cuz i put 50k miles on these tires, the grip isnt as good, now about to get 255 tires and continentals dsw06 plus and hope that it remedies the situation, after running these 6 speed mounts for a while, would u say they are worth it over the stock mounts?

  • @redlawyers
    @redlawyers ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I installed the standard unflanged U62A Hasport upper torque mount on my '19 Accord Sport 2.0t and the NVH went through the roof on cold starts, in reverse, and when the AC is turned on. For reference, my car is BONE stock with NO tune, except for a Stage 1 PRL intake kit and a set of Continental Sport Extreme Contact dws06 tires on stock rims. I can tell you with absolute certainty that the upper torque mount has helped and made a difference in how my car behaves. Sure the NVH is obnoxious, but my launches are smoother and the car plants herself a lot better. Additionally, the 10spd auto shifts less going up certain grades because the torque is being better translated. I think it's worth it, but perhaps companies should offer different durometer choices to appeal to different tastes/driver expectations. Anyways, great video and I would like to see you do more comparisons with the lower mount removed to see if there truly is a difference or not. Naturally, the engineers at Honda had an idea in mind when they designed our cars, but is there room for improvement in drivability? Yes? I always believed the engine and transmission life expectancy could improve if the transmission can shift better instead of having the engine and transmission wobble and jiggle on their stock soft mounts. Just my opinion I guess!

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am hoping that if I go back to the OEM rear mount that it will drastically reduce the NVH while retaining a lot of the “feel” 🤞

    • @87gn93
      @87gn93 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It will. I went back to stock bottom and "mad" vibes disappeared! You can always slap the lower mount back on for track day.

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      👍

  • @BigKandRtv
    @BigKandRtv ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have the 62A units installed due to wheel-hop at the dragstrip. I haven't been back to verify they solved the hop, but I can testify on the vibrations: If you have any bolt, panel, or plate which is not fully tightened down, it will sing out to you at start up.

  • @davidgriggs3967
    @davidgriggs3967 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you have coilovers or plan on changing springs put stiffer springs in the rear as this will help with traction.
    On launch and hard acceleration the weight will shift and the rear will want to squat , reducing the weight on the front tyres .
    You want all the weight you can get over your front tyres on launch or hard acceleration.

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Squat is not a problem… we’ve upgraded to stiffer springs 👍

  • @x12t4qerxx
    @x12t4qerxx ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I used to have the hasport upper mount but I took them off after a couple of months because the mounts made the cabin so damn nosiy with an aftermarket exhaust. Something to consider for these mounts is that if you have any type of "loud" catback or mufflers, the cabin noise will definitely increase and cause more drone.

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can only imagine how much an aftermarket exhaust would accentuate the NVH 😟

    • @jmiles.
      @jmiles. ปีที่แล้ว +1

      U have noooo idea have catback borla exists for my 2.0 and had Kevlar motor mounts and anyone reading this don’t ! The noise is insane every start up and like this guy said house cabin .. have to have a window open when driving just to make the cabin noise go away ….

    • @jmiles.
      @jmiles. ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Takes 5 min when start car everyday for first rumbling to go away lol then there’s more while driving

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      I find the motor mounts incredibly annoying and I don’t even have an aftermarket exhaust 🤷‍♂️

  • @DuPhoReal
    @DuPhoReal ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I know I've bugged you about motor mounts on your other videos so I really appreciate your honest opinions and humility finally installing and doing a vid! I always figured when your modded out as far as you have, every tiny gain counts.
    P.s. did you max out on power mods already ? Now I wonder if you have the best turbo out of all the possible upgrades (living vicariously through your accord) lol

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      👍. Next step would be to bore out the fuel line and/or port injection in order to turn the boost up a little more and run a higher ethanol content for added power. I could also add meth to the setup 🤔. The “best” turbo is really going to depend on what you’re looking for. Are there turbos that can add higher peak power, sure, but at a slower spool up. I’m happy with the Kuro - it does take a little longer to spool than stock, but rewards you with nice midrange and high RPM power. I don’t think I’d be happy with daily driving a bigger turbo 🤷‍♂️

    • @DuPhoReal
      @DuPhoReal ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheLemonFactor definitely an answer I wanted to hear. 27Won product is high end and stylish too which is definitely a bonus.

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I will say that my second choice was the new FL5 turbo - I’d be very curious how the two would compare 🤔

    • @DuPhoReal
      @DuPhoReal ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheLemonFactor I think there's only one citrus man that can find out!

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      😉

  • @nuker215
    @nuker215 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you look like you enjoyed yourself this time.I didn't think the mounts would have much of a help but still surprised.Common setup up i see is from the manual mostly because of comfort.also i got a lot more grip after doing a full suspection setup.

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s always fun doing a little testing 😁😉

  • @herpderp1662
    @herpderp1662 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have the EXACT same weds, with the EXACT same dimensions you do and I went with yokohama AO52 tires. Our cars are almost identical, you wont have traction issues with the yokos, get those "summer" tires off there and put a real performance tire on.

  • @jonmcphee9662
    @jonmcphee9662 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been running with the upper torque rod (Honda's name) from the MT for a year now with no problems. I just installed the lower MT torque rod (50890-TVC-A21) and don't notice any difference in NHV. There must be some, otherwise Honda wouldn't have two different parts for the same function. The 10sp rods are plastic bodied, the MT are metal. The rubber parts (bushings) look very similar.

  • @ombmuzik871
    @ombmuzik871 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The lower mount is the one that causes all of the vibration issues. I know this for a fact because I've already tested them.

  • @chadsinthegarage
    @chadsinthegarage ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video!

  • @jefft2101
    @jefft2101 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am running Phearable stage 3 and I went with the 6 speed upper mount. I didn’t notice much of a difference. It still breaks my dws06’s loose as much as possible below maybe 30mph.

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did you upgrade the rear mount?

    • @jefft2101
      @jefft2101 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just did the upper not the lower.

  • @stealth2.0t
    @stealth2.0t ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should do both mounts and let them break in properly for a month, it will still have vibrations but you are well above stock at 400whp+. You won’t have a good time at the dragstrip or track which it looks like you will take your car. Personally I got used to it for daily driving now 3 years.

  • @philchin3713
    @philchin3713 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Perhaps the stiffer mount benefits the MT not on terms of traction but rather for shifting? I had the gen 9 accord in 6MT and they are cable shifters right? So just my 2 cents.

  • @delpsdayoff3372
    @delpsdayoff3372 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video again. I'm thinking about going manual trans mounts as I'm sick of the bouncy bouncy in the lower gears around town.. hasport would have too much vibration for me I think

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      The vibration is difficult to ignore, even with the added benefits of the stiffer mounts 😕🤷‍♂️

    • @delpsdayoff3372
      @delpsdayoff3372 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @The Lemon Factor! LLC pretty noticeable huh? Yea if it was a weekend car I could deal.. but not a daily

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s definitely noticeable 😕

    • @delpsdayoff3372
      @delpsdayoff3372 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheLemonFactor 😔

  • @desioasis2378
    @desioasis2378 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hey chad, can you tell me the part number for the lower torque mounts from the 6 speed manual!! I cant find it anywhere

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don’t, but if you call a Honda parts center such as College Hills Honda, I’m sure they will help 👍

  • @NicoRitondale
    @NicoRitondale ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ty for the video

  • @willi7173
    @willi7173 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I had your setup. The best is both manual mounts. No vibration whatsoever…

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      Is the rear manual mount even different from the Accord 10 Auto mount 🤷‍♂️

    • @willi7173
      @willi7173 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, it is different. Part # 50890-TVA-A21

    • @aito8467
      @aito8467 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@willi7173 thank you sir

    • @cesarbullitt174
      @cesarbullitt174 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi, this is the part of the lower mount??

    • @willi7173
      @willi7173 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cesarbullitt174 yes, for the lower manual.

  • @4CDMA
    @4CDMA ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please make a video if you have any opportunity to test FK8 turbo + phearable st5/6

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      If you’re going to spend all the money and go through all the effort to upgrade to an FK8 turbo, don’t cut corners and cheap out by using an OTS tune - spend a little more and get a proper tune 👍

  • @desioasis2378
    @desioasis2378 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For the rear mount, im definitely going with the 6 speed one but for the upper mount, should i go with the hashsport or the 6 speed!!!

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I swapped the OEM rear mount back in - I couldn’t take the NVH. However, I kept the OEM manual upper mount.

    • @desioasis2378
      @desioasis2378 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheLemonFactor is it there still a difference? Would u say its worth it to getting a manual upper torque

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @desioasis2378 personally I wouldn’t buy them again… but that’s me 🤷‍♂️. Checkout the last video on the motor mounts in which I give my final verdict.

    • @desioasis2378
      @desioasis2378 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheLemonFactor definitely makes sense. Im going type turbo wilth full bolts on and e, hopefully the stocks can take it😭, if not imma jus get the 6 speed ones but definitely not these now!

    • @desioasis2378
      @desioasis2378 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Its time for a bbk upgrade brodie, the 27won looks promising

  • @eshbuket6764
    @eshbuket6764 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello. I have a honda accord 1.5 turbo. Is it possible to pour oil into a Honda 0-20 ultra leo Japanese engine in an iron can?

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not exactly sure what's you're asking?

  • @ombmuzik871
    @ombmuzik871 ปีที่แล้ว

    They definitely improve performance

  • @bensonsteven82
    @bensonsteven82 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just an upper torque mounts solved my wheel hop after I lowered my vehicle.

  • @kskip4242
    @kskip4242 ปีที่แล้ว

    After installing stiffer mounts, I noticed less traction in the rain and harder to make turns in the rain.

  • @stephaniedizon7663
    @stephaniedizon7663 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi lemon factor are u considiring doing a brakes on your 2.0 touring?

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Brake maintenance / replacement, or brake upgrade, ie Big Brake kit?

  • @AG-yv8yb
    @AG-yv8yb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Want to do this to my 21 sport 2.0 but I have ocd and any little noise from cabin. Like it quiet. Is there another option besides the haspro without vibration?

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not that I’m aware of … if you’re stiffening the mounts, it will naturally transmit more NVH into the cabin 😕🤷‍♂️

    • @BigKandRtv
      @BigKandRtv ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In my experience, you probably won't benefit much from the mounts until you cross the 280-300 HP threshold. And/or, you want to drag race on a prepped surface. If you are not experiencing wheel hop, I wouldn't do the Hasport 62A units. I have not driven with the factory six speed manual mounts, so I can't compare them. I have significant vibration and rattles right now, (Hasport) and I am not going to be able to live with this long term.

    • @AG-yv8yb
      @AG-yv8yb ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BigKandRtv good info. How long have your had your haspro in? Also I'm stock. I'm getting some from aggressive driving from a stop. Eventually I plan to go stg 2.

    • @BigKandRtv
      @BigKandRtv ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AG-yv8yb About 3 weeks / 1,000 miles.

  • @Honda.69
    @Honda.69 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow that beauty was holding on in 1st for the amount of power you got on it 👏🏻. Stock form in 1st is smoking the tires lol 😂

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With the power coming on later in the RPMs with the Kuro turbo, it gives it a chance to grab some traction in 1st gear.

    • @87gn93
      @87gn93 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These cars should have gotten the CTR turbo from the factory. Power is immediate and stock tires go up in smoke. The Kuro solves that issue!

    • @87gn93
      @87gn93 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      On Accord stock turbo, immediate power.

  • @brandonlee9003
    @brandonlee9003 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you think this helps make the downshifts better?

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      I would imagine that it would improve the feel when shifting 🤔

  • @ransessanchez4304
    @ransessanchez4304 ปีที่แล้ว

    there is the problem with the melody the second speed is not giving the maximum power

  • @samiyounaki3177
    @samiyounaki3177 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doesn’t brake boosting hurt the car?

  • @iiAzT3Cii
    @iiAzT3Cii ปีที่แล้ว

    I had 70a upper & bottom. Took them off because its just another one of those useless “mods”. Kinda like an air intake, only thing it does is increase noise

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      70a must have been really harsh 😮

    • @justwingingit1
      @justwingingit1 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m not sure about the air intake on the Accord 2.0t but I know that the stock air intake on the Type R works the best according to all of the tuners I spoke with.

    • @BigKandRtv
      @BigKandRtv ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Indeed, "useless" until you are well above stock in power. Lem's car is in the 430 WHP if I remember correctly. Running 400 WHP with the stock torque mounts on this car would be negligent. I think the threshold is more like 300 HP. Around there the engine, transmission, and assorted connectors would take a beating with the engine dancing around.

    • @404errornamenotfound6
      @404errornamenotfound6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BigKandRtv Do you think it's necessary to do both mounts? Or could you do fine with just the upper mount upgrade? I'm planning to get more upgrades as well but wanted to avoid doing the lower mount if possible.

    • @BigKandRtv
      @BigKandRtv ปีที่แล้ว

      @@404errornamenotfound6 This is what I think, and if someone knows better please chime in. I THINK the lower carries more of the duties than the upper. I have tried mine with just the upper Hasport, and just the lower. I still had too much engine movement, and wheel hop on hard acceleration. I have a bigger turbo / inter cooler / plumbing / exhaust / ethanol, and a tune. Maybe it would work on a car that isn't as far down the path of modifications. You can always try it with just the upper. If you still get wheel hop, order the lower and drive easy until the lower arrives.

  • @kentcurrie7326
    @kentcurrie7326 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wierd weather to work around.

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I left the house the other day to run some errands. I was gone about an hour and only 15-20 mins away from the house. My wife was concerned when I returned thinking I was caught in the hailstorm that hit our house - it was sunny and nice where I was 🤷‍♂️

  • @matthewmcdonald9107
    @matthewmcdonald9107 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When you launch the Accord in this video, are you brake boosting? Or do you just stomp on the accelerator? Just curious about your particular style of launching & what you find to be the most effective.

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Brake boosting at 3,000 RPMs 👍

  • @alexgerstmann3007
    @alexgerstmann3007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First of all you need to contact the people that are running low elevens 2012 they got the traction figured out it is a delicate balance remember the 60-foot on the accords sucks non LSD so so far the best 60 ft is 1.8 1:45 to 1.90 but in that in mind they're still running good Good times there is a guy in Florida running 1130s at 127 miles an hour with a pure 55 Turbo with methanol and ethanol is methanol contact is 45% what the fuel pipe drill mod catless downpipe midpipe motor custom tune by Derrick Robinson making around 550 horsepower but they're getting the car's down the trap those are the guys you need to talk to him find out what their secret is it's not like a rear-wheel drive car where you can put sauce on it and figure it out yourself it is a fine wine to get it to hookup

    • @TheLemonFactor
      @TheLemonFactor  ปีที่แล้ว

      You know better than that, Alex! You've been around the channel long enough. We here to test out various modifications to see what works, what doesn't, pros & cons, etc. all in an effort for people to decide what's right for them! This video is on just that, taking a look at the claim that stiffer motor mounts will improve traction...

    • @alexgerstmann3007
      @alexgerstmann3007 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheLemonFactor I was saying that in trying to help you figure your car out and why it's not running the potential it should. Your car should be running low 12 highway 11 I simply told you to reach out to the people that you put on your channel for the top 10 fastest record and see how they make their cars run as good as they did that's all