Exercise Scientist Critiques Dorian Yates' HIGH INTENSITY Training
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0:00 Dorian Yates
1:40 The Game Changer
6:43 Training Frequency
10:21 Dr Mike's Plan
14:52 Beyond Failure
17:10 Take Home Points - กีฬา
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You had a video glamorising Brad Shoenfeld, a "scientist" who studies volume and HIT failure training while not even knowing what true failure is...
Look up his failure videos. It's pathetic.
Now you're criticizing Dorian Yates/ HIT lol. Why should this video have any credibility?
Next video look at Nicholas Meregali's training as he recently posted his lifting.
If you lift 2x per week... you left too much in the tank the first time.
oi oi bruv fish an chips moit innit!!!
@@yipperdeyip His criticisms were very mild, though. It was more of a fanboy vid, really lol.
This was before the Internet was mainstream. He didn't do much press interaction. He'd basically show up, mog everyone, refuse to elaborate, and return to his dingy basement gym doing his batshit crazy high-intensity training.
That's why they called him "The Shadow"
Train, showed up, win, repeat.
It worked. Lol. How many Olympias did he win?
That just had a lot to do with him being from England. Until very recently bodybuilders not based on North America just didn't get much exposure.
Dorian breaks Chris Cormier in this video, its epic:
th-cam.com/video/iJt_AJ80N_I/w-d-xo.html
Dorian Yates not knowing how many days he trains in a week reminds me of the classic bodybuilding forum fight about the length of a week
8 day weeks are goated for training
lmaooooooooooo I just read that post
I've always just done rolling weeks depending on what my split needed. Usually it ended up a "8 day week" with something like gym, gym, gym, rest, gym, gym, gym, rest.
7 is just such an odd number to work with.
"3.5 days a week? What do you do, a half workout or something? lol"
Not as good as the argument that 45 lb plates aren't 45 lbs because of the hole in the middle.
Dorian was pressing so smooth that you could have drawn a Smith machine around him and it would have looked that vertical
At first i thought he used a Smith machine. Then he racked the bar :D
@@fabianhubner5007 hahaha even his breathing sounded like a chain moving up and down a frame
Chuck Norris once incline benched even smoother than that and a man named Mr. Smith paid Chuck to let him call his machine the "Smith Machine" and not the "Norris Machine".....
@@Simon-talks
Nice try.
that was exactly what went through my mind when i saw that , perfect pressing.
I got to meet Dorian when I was 22 (1997) and in the best shape of my life. I went to a meet and greet in Sacramento with a couple of really jacked dudes and he simply dwarfed us all in comparison. But, he was incredibly personable and pretty humble for who he was at the time. They say “Never meet your heroes” but I was glad I got to meet Dorian at his peak. Super cool dude and really fun to talk with.
Dorian's ability to transition to a health life post-bodybuilding may be one of his most impressive qualities. He's managed to stay in shape, age well and maintain mobility, meanwhile most of his contemporaries either died tragically young or developed terrible joint issues.
That's crazy, I can't imagine the feeling and the next training session you must've had!
@@JordaanM there’s a youtube video where he’s interviewed about steroid use and he details how he cycled properly rather than just smashing it and how guys today are taking multiples of what he used. It’s interesting viewing.
Dorian's training partner has the most swole vocal cords with all the yelling.
Leroy
Never skipped vocal day!
Leroy is the best workout partner of all time
Dude was a LEGEND
NASTY CHRISTMAS TREES! IT'S CHRISTMAS TIME, C'MON!!!
Didn't Dorian refused to share information about his training because he thought it would give even a slightest advantage to his opponents. Dude was crazy competitive
Rightly so. He knew he wasn't as genetically gifted as some of the other pros at the time. Needed every advantage he could get.
@@AScaryOrange123 bullshit all of them were genetically gifted competing with each other their genetic potential was super close barely any difference between em.
"Come On Diesel, Let's Get Busy!!"
@@QuartzTech He doesn't mean in size, He mean insertions and bone structure.
@@asdfgasdfgasdfgq i didnt say size
That clip of Dr. Mike doing a Birmingham accent in a Peaky Blinders cutout costume belongs in some kind of hall of fame. A+
That doesn't sound like anyone from Birmingham who I've ever met! 😆
Sounds more like a scouser
It's not a brummie accent. It's not even the piss poor imitation of a brummie accent that we hear in Peaky Blinders. BTW, every, but every, hard man in Britain sewed a razor blade in the peak of his cap. Scottish soldiers used to sew them in their glengarries.
Imagine how many Olympias Dorian could have won if only he had known about the Science of 52 sets of lengthened partials
😂😂😂😂
Mike's so arrogant. He criticized Colemans workouts and also said if he had trained properly, he'd be bigger and have won more. Like ronnie is the goat dude. There's so many flaws with science backed training and the studies they conduct. Certainly they have their place but for this dude whose 5'5 on tons of peds apparently the most knowledgeable guy in the world to insinuate that guys like Yates, Coleman, and LeBron James don't know how to train is so egomanical
😂😂😂😂😂 was waiting for that - you nailed it straight !!
@@sammyttheg412are you okay? They arent gods they're human, Mike always says that these guys are WAYYY better than him but could be better, thinking that theyre infallible is crazy. Edit, nvm youve been commenting on mikes videos for a while now saying the same shit because you have nothing better to do 🤣
@@sammyttheg412 take a chill pill, there is no way to know that what Mike is saying is true or false, we cant re-run the Ronnie Coleman experiment in a different universe. So you're just as "arrogant" for saying he's full of shit. This is just bullshitting on youtube. Who cares.
DR MIKE WE NEED THE TOM PLATZ CRITIQUE!!!! Need to know what you think of the Quadfather
Yes!
Yes!
And if he’s doing Tom Platz, then let’s go with Lee Priest (before the tattoos 😁)
I think there is a video regarding platz and the low volume training. If i remember correctly it goes something like this: if muscle gain and hyperthrophy is the goal: train more frequently, and more than one or two working sets..
Agreed
Mostly he’s full of shit and gear
Just an interesting story I heard from my work manager. (he used to compete on an amateur level in the 90’s and actually trained with Cormier, Shawn, Serg Nubret, etc.) He said in the 90’s he went to see Dorian guest pose. He never seen him in person and only saw him in magazines. When Dorian came out he said Dorian didn’t look anything “crazy” or “wild”. (This was offseason btw). BUT, when Dorian hit his first pose, my manager said “it looked like pose after pose he was blowing up and turning into this freakish monster”. My manager was shocked and in awe. The best way he described it as was “seeing a gorilla full of muscle with all his fur shaved off”. Crazy to think how dorian must have looked. I’m too young to have seen the 90’s guys in person but man crazy shit.
I saw them all at muscle beach & Marina athletic club in 1994-6 and it was wild. I was working out hard and given respect and then these huge monsters would walk up and I’d be in awe. (Update: Like, mouth hung open, Lee Haney or Yates or somebody mind-blowing like that just getting a workout in or doing a top photo shoot. I’m flashing back now!)
Meet many of them in Cleveland at a NPC shows. Got to talk to him and others and got a signed photo. He was the guest poser, was just huge beyond your imagination. I believe his weigh was 280. But just huge.
You guys are damn lucky. I’m 30 and was just a baby when these legends were competing. I wish I could have seen them in person. It must have been breathtaking.
@@giovanir69 sorry yeah you missed a hell of an era. I started training back in 1969. I started buying and collecting magazines from the 70-80& 90s
I had, Mr America. Muscle Builder,
Strength & Health. Muscle Mag.
MD-Muscle Development, Flex,
Iron Man, so many. I still have a collection from 1989 about 2015 then most if not all stopped being printed.
Some of the greatest photos and training routines ever printed.
Unfortunately now the past. It’s all You-Tube stuff just not the same anymore!
When I was a kid, I was obsessed with Conan the barbarian. I wanted to look like Arnold.
But the first time I saw Dorian on the cover of a bodybuilding magazine at the bookstore, I couldn't believe a person could look like that. Instantly hooked on bodybuilding. Legend.
Doc, please give the editor a raise. Idc how much he's making, you + him is just gold😂😂🙏🏿
"size of an industrial refrigerator" and "dildo curls" were great 💀
intro had so much aura
aura what the fuck
Hell Yeah
@@RePaperBag New type of brainrot, you get used to it
@@RePaperBag +10000 aura skibbidy ong no cap
We’re not doing that here. Gtfoh
Dude's posing was on point. Somehow he made all that absurd mass look graceful.
Dorian Yates was genetically gifted, gym owner offered him free membership to encourage further workouts. He was poor, living in subsidized apartment, had criminal record,
had to work hard physically and then train while not having much money to eat. Dorian's training methods came from life reality and limitation on time and resources. He gave
us a glimmer of hope, that with hard work, discipline and maximum effort one can improve his physique immensely. For over 10 years he lived like a monk, not interacting
socially, not seeking pleasures of this world. He maximized everything to achieve a success and to become a living legend of bodybuilding.
Thanks for telling us the story he has already told us
I’m nitpicking now, but I believe he’s said he had girlfriends back then? So not quite like a monk.
@@davidiglesias9549 why didnt you just say you Hate White people.
Dorian's Blood & Guts" is the greatest training video of all time. I have it on VHS. (I bought it when it first came out)
"Come On Diesel, Let's Get Busy!!" Leroy is awesome.
"SHOW DEM WHY YOU"RE NUMBER ONE!"
What a training partner to have.
Squiiize!!
Exactly just finished the 6 weeks protocol
Let's get nasty!
Next Tom platz leg day review please
And Ronnie Coleman workout review
This
It would also be awesome if he reviewed Kevin Levrone.
Ronnie Coleman review... as Ronnie Coleman.
MORE!!!! KILL ME!!!!
Branch Warren review
I’ve met Kevin Levrone in person at Exile Fitness in Maryland. He’s real chill. An amazing presence when he’s in the gym. Gonna see Ronnie Coleman this weekend. True inspirations.
What's that got to do with this?...
He has written down and published every training session from 83 to 97.
- He was first stuck at some point and when he lowered the volume down he started to grow again.
- When he tried to increase the volume later on he got stuck again.
- He did bicep-back tricep-chest in different training days, so he was still training biceps and tricep 2 times a week in his interpretation.
- He got the biggest calves ever training it once a week with very very heavy weights.
That is basically doing scientific experiment on one self. I have found the same things to be true.
So you say that reducing volume helps @@joojotin
Blood and Guts video: Dorian Yates
Blood and Guts audio: Leroy Davis
Dorian Yates is my favourite bodybuilder ❤
Introvert, just grinding his way through towards greatness
Would love for Dr. Mike to do a full 90s bodybuilding series maybe even 2000s, to shine a light on all the heroes of old
Like Louie Simmons said: "If you're a crazy person, you have to go crazy in the gym!".
Not everybody is like the average gym goer: do what works for YOU!
Dorian is the GOAT no matter what current science says. He basically mastered technique and intensity, he is the pinnacle of discipline that almost no one has anymore
He is a trailblazer but Ronnie is the goat. Of course we talking about something very subjective
Your opinion < modern science. Nice try though idiot.
@@keithlilly6242ronnie is not goat because he trained super heavy like an idiot and became disabled at old age. I would say the goat is Either lee haney or Dorian.
@@Historian4real the Real Goat is still Schwarzenegger
@@Historian4real tbf, the HIT training Dorian did literally ended his career to the point he had to stop weight training entirely.
He had an insane pirate training buddy.
I think people dont understand that when doing hypertrophy training (failure/near failure)with 400lb- 500lb plus weights set after set you cant recover easily. Absolutely the bigger and stronger the harder to recover.
I've met Dorian and this is what he was saying all the time. The more advanced you are the more you need to recover. Your cns doesn't increase but it gets used just a bit
Exactly. But you have gymbros going "Dorian trained like this and he's the GOAT so fuck your evidence-based training" and they're rowing like less than half of what Dorian is. Powerlifters for decades have known that bigger, stronger lifters do way less volume than smaller ones, not because they want to do less, but because they can't or they'll die. Somehow this is still a mystery for hypertrophy guys.
@@MicheldiedWeightlifters too. Chinese protocol is ..... women train more frequently than men, and small men more frequently than large ones.
Women train less than men for a whole different reason, get a man and a woman with identical genetics (in theory) and experience/weights, she recovers faster, estrogen does that @@dp70939
Also...the pro bodybuilder's definition of muscular failure (maybe powerlifters and strongmen too) may be a lot different compared to a person who pursues lifting weights as a past time.
I never even thought that it'd be possible to have your gym shirt drenched in sweat from merely lifting weights (unless training for endurance) but it somehow is a thing.
Twist that T-shirt which is drenched and somehow sweat just pours out of them
Dorian was one of the all time best. He thought outside the box and figured out what worked best for him regardless of what everyone else was doing.
Leroy Davis' vocal training partner style has gotta be a factor. Those videos are amazing.
Blood and guts, regardless of efficacy, has most likely been used to amp up millions of guys before their workouts over the years. Dorian is a legend, great podcast guest/host, real gem of a guy 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I like his views on WW2.
Truly Based historian.
HIT works... most don't do it correctly
What? It’s been my best program to follow
@@steveb6718 Though also keep in mind that there's so much variation between people. Like in some studies, people with similar backgrounds had diff reactions to diff amounts of volume. Some did just as well with low volume, while others needed higher volume. Plus, how strong is someone, how long have they trained, how physically large are their muscles, how well are other parts of their recovery like sleep, are they on gear, etc.
Like Dr. Mike says here, for someone who is huge already their biggest muscles maybe can be trained 1 or 2 days a week, but smaller muscles may be a diff story, and also potentially diff for smaller/weaker people. And some people just plain recover better than others do. IMO, the best thing is just being open to trying diff techniques and adjusting as needed.
@@ShawnFumo but, since 99.9% of people are not professional athletes, and are not going to run multiple compounds/gear at the same time, train for fun and enjoy it and get results as fast as possible... so, if 1 set can do it, why bother with 3 or 6? if 1 set gets you 90+% of all the gains, why bother with more? you're not becoming Mr O and not running trent/dbol/deca/anavar/winstrol etc...
Dr Mike runs loads of gear and with all his science, loaded up on the covid vaccine, so, as studies have shown us, you can prove anything with the right money backing you
Just read his shadow book. Not massively into bodybuilding as a whole I just like to train but the blokes my hero. Just his work ethic and his working class routes. I love how he sees bodybuilding as going to work. You walk into a gym and it’s like being on love island. Women walking round with hardly anything on posing and videoing themselves and the blokes are even worse. Standing with a string vest and permed hair. I love Dorian’s approach of going to the gym, busting a gut covered up no massive ego or vanity. Just go in train and get out. It’s his honesty I follow. I want to add the reason he didn’t train more than 3-4 days is because he said his training declined when he did.
Dorian was out there like " AND THIS IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!!"
I fricking love this channel. So many variations to try out now just from this critique
I just started following this plan just a few weeks ago crazy to see you upload this now, im ready to hear the whole thing get shit on
Been on your channel about 2 months Dr Mike, the info you impart and the quality of the content is unrivalled. Very much helping me in my training.
All he does is name drop other successful people to get clicks to sell ad space while his own physique is mid. He puts out a critiquing Sam Sulek video every week.
I had the exact same experience and I’m not at all a bodybuilder, just a 37 year old dude who took a long break from working out. I’m getting back into shape and I’ve started owning hypertrophy training and am getting the best, quickest results for me that I’ve ever gotten. Thanks dr Mike! I recommend this channel to everyone.
@@michaelshine6060you'd get it without watching him lol. He's changed nothing in body-building. It's just marketing.
@@libertarianpunk8558 grow up
@@James-vv9dp ah yes, the infallible unquestionable big-brained Dr Mike, aka the White Yakub of fitness! Even 6x Olympian Dorian Yates should know his role in the presence of Dr Mike!
My favorite story is how the guy who took those famous black and white photographs actually worked for Joe Wieder and basically took the photos as a favor to Dorian. Then they turned out so great that when he got back to California he'd leave the photos out on his desk, and every time an Olympia-level bodybuilder would visit that building where Joe had his office the photographer would just go "Hey have you seen these photos i took of Dorian a week ago? Turned out pretty good if i say so myself" and those guys would just think "... Well, gotta train harder to make sure i got a shot at 2nd place"
Interesting take. I was lifting during this time period and this was a great ride down memory road. Dorian was always touted for his legs and lats from what i remember. Great inspiration.
Actually, Dorian HAD ALREADY BEEN TRAINING 5 DAYS A WEEK , for a YEARS, then he met Mike Mentzer, and Mike recommended him to stop working out 5 days a week. And when Dorian STOPPED, and went to 4 days a week, HE BLEW UP!!!!!
I am not Dorian Yates and this is purely anecdotal I have also blown up from going from 5 to 4 days a week. It's the biggest single difference maker I've ever tried. I've also put about 12kg on my working sets for bench press in three months. Would recommend it for absolutely anyone who is 2+ years in the gym.
Nope. He blew up because he took more drugs at that point.
@@rowananderson8318Sure...sure...😂
@@Rob-qn6odnope
@@sirjerryson4349 Yep. Facts don't care about your feelings.
I love your channel, dude, thank you!
Sports science of Dorian is as achilles would say..there is no pact between lions and men,he was on a totally different stratosphere...period
Dorian said himself that he did increase his training to 5 days and his progress slowed then came to a halt. When he went back to less volume he got bigger and stronger again.
I did Dorian's style of training for years, obtained/watched "Blood And Guts", saw Dorian guest pose in 96'(oh shit!) and met him twice!
Love the humility and respect for Dorian’s results.
I love how dr.mike is so eloquent and articulate, english in not my mother tongue but it's pleasing hearing him form those sentences while keeping a sense of humor.
I think Dr Mike confuses symmetry and proportions with a "nice shape". Dorian was symmetrical and proportioned in all three dimensions. His competitors often had discrepancies like narrow shoulders, short legs or high lat insertions, etc...but often had a more "pleasing shape". Injury and illness certainly took their toll on his form at the end, though.
0:35 this kind of optimism is truly inspiring
Yes, I saw Lee Haney & Dorian Yates in person and it was phenomenal. You could see every fiber.
This is one of my favorite RP videos in awhile
Another great vid from Dr Mike! Keep em coming. Cant wait to see more. Hey, could you do a video about CT Fletcher?
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS 🎉🎉
The same reason so many legends in the 90's didn't win a NBA championship....Michael Jordan 🥇
Awesome breakdown. Perfect balance of respect for a pioneer with appropriate critiques and insight. This easily could’ve sounded like you were bashing a legend but, like always, you hit the sweet spot. Thanks for the awesome content, as always!!!
Agree 100% with this. When I was training in the 90's, Dorian was my hero. I was never nearly as big, but for a guy who ran his whole life into his 30's THEN started the muscle thing, I got a lot of gains following his plans in Muscle and Fitness magazine. I was a fan of all the body builders mentioned in this vid, but it was Dorian who stood out for his physique, commitment, and authenticity. Props.
Blood and Guts is hands down THE best pro bodybuilder training video ever produced. From the choice of it being black and white, the awesome training displayed down to the yelling of his training partner..... heck if we had someone like that at our sides we all would be training way harder..... "We are going to WAR!!! No mercy, no prisoners!!!"
As always great video sir.
Great intro btw😂😂🔥
Your approach to this was extremely humble and very informative. As always, your content is fantastic 💪🏼
what a great vid! loved the comments in between the dorian exercises
Love to see a video on that dogcrap (sp?) style of training that kinda took off in the mid 2000s. Seems like an offshoot of Dorian’s style of training mixed with deep stretching.
th-cam.com/video/03p5JZ4ViIA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=T_UpBK-jPcOigc07
If that link gets deleted, type in dusty hanshaw dc training
I get symmetry wise the genetics comments, but he was muscular before he touched a weight. Definitely blessed.
Dr Mike, I love your channel bro. Keep up the great content👍🏿
One of your best videos out of many bangers⚡️Big ups🇬🇧
I’ve been doing full ROM , controlled eccentric , asynchronous and autoregulated training Since I started going to the gym 20 years ago. Good to know I was on to something. Thanks for a great channel ❤
Briefly, if Dorian had better shape in arms and belly he would be the greatest by far... and it's almost quite right being honest... if "shape gods" trained more like him for period of times they would have won... everyone should do both training styles Dorian and the others...
P.s.: dorian is not my favourite bb... shawn kevin flex and chris i prefer way more... but I'm simply being objective
Hah just came back from Marbella where Dorian is and you post this. Very nice!
I've been waiting for this 🏆
damn what an intro
A bit cringe to say but, the intro give me goosebumps.
listening to his audios from soundcloud in the gym keeps me sane
There are audios of D Mike in soundcloud?
@@kasperisaukkonen doriyan yates, idk why someone would put dr mike in a song or edit
@@seam13ss :(
@@seam13sscry
I was looking for the latest video to comment you should do a vid on this topic....
Thanks for doing it in advance! :)
Doesn't mention Mike Mentzer ONCE 😅
Hey folks Dr Mike here with the Arby’s strength app
Help you look like roast beef for the competition.
YES! Thank you! I was hoping for this video for a long time! Hope you guys keep doing content on pros and legends like this. So much better than watching Marky Mark doing one legged skips on a ball or whatever.
Love your videos!!
12:52 Yeah man I think he had at least 2 reps in him
If only you had no picture and no posts lol
Hey, I try to watch your videos while I'm in the gym.... but you make me crack up 😂 in the middle of a set. 😂 Not safe bro. 😂
Haha been there. Safety bars have saved me from Dr Mikes jokes at least a couple of times.
Very good and informative video. I have learned a lot. Thank you very much.
The commentary on this video is legendary. I really needed the laugh today more than anything else. Cheers lad 😅
I've been waiting for this! Everyone talks about Mentzer but Dorian won the Olympia, to me Dorian figured out HIT training
I suspect that Mentzer was so tied up in his theory that it slowed his adaptation into what worked. Yates wasn’t defending a theory so much as training like a madman.
@@steelmongoose4956 From what I've seen on youtube, it seems Dorian incorporated some of Mentzer's training concepts.
@@MrLokky87 Yeah, there was a definite influence. Yates just took the intensity to another level of insanity.
@@steelmongoose4956No, Yates took it to a next level of SANITY. Meaning, he took the best of Mentzer and adapted it to his own optimal program. Mentzer recommended so many rest days after a workout that you'd only hit each part once every two weeks depending on your split. Usually 1-2 days per week, depending on which video you see because he changed his ideals over the years, which is understandable. But the older he got, the more rest days he added after a workout.
Yates did it 4 days a week basically. So, he still got decent volume.
Most of Yates videos I've seen actually look a bit LESS in intensity than the videos I've seen of Mentzer training someone. Not a lot less, but enough that you'd recognize it. Yates did not seem to do as many forced reps, static holds, negatives. He did them, just a bit less than Mentzer trained people on
Dorian’s 45 minutes works better than your 45 minutes because he had a full time training partner.
German Grand Prix 96 - when I saw pictures and footage of him back then I fell in love with the sport. Idc if he hadn't had the best structure or workout plan but his fking mindset ... he was just raw, pure animal instinct when he was in his gym.
Finally i was w8ting for this video for a long time 🎉
👊 *I remember Kevin Lavrone stating He or Wheeler could have been made Mr Olympias but Weider needed to build up the UK market with Dorian.*
Lots of corruption in the "subjective" judging and operation of the Olympia. As with all things, follow the money. Dorian was awesome but should he have won all those years? Maybe or maybe not. We are just mere morals to be judging 😅😅
A lot ppl have said seeing him in the flesh is completely different from footage/pics
@@dan1elsutton Like more or less impressive?
@@dan1elsutton yes, seeing any of those guys in person is very different
@@SweepTheLeg2023 impressive
Btw your videos have really helped me through out the years with my training 💪🏻 really appreciate what you do
i was hoping for this after watching a few of the dr mike reviews mentzer and dr mike delivers! 👍🏽
Dr Mike. You’re welcome in the UK my friend. Top video on the Shadow!
Something else I'm surprised you didnt talk about is Yates kept extremely detailed logs of all his workouts. He planned and wrote down every workout in excruciating detail
He did talk about that...
He literally talked about exactly that at the end of the video. You must've been in a rush to comment before watching the entire video.
One point to add, when you talked about him being able to be mostly sufficiently trained with fewer sets at low frequency because of his strength and size, is that he actually did train with more sets early on in his career. The evidence is in his training journals that he published
I’ve been waiting for this moment for a long time
Great job dr Mike your best one so far really enjoyed it
If you’re not on TRT or Roids don’t do high volume training. You won’t grow. Most people don’t have super human T. Train 2-4 days a week 30-45min super high intensity to complete failure. That’s the key
I am 50 and only do a few exercises per muscle and do one set per exercise and I am growing in strength and size and I am a experienced lifter. Some People would say how can you get gains doing and I think answer is simple it's the intensity I use. I am growing more than when I did about 4 sets per exercise doing each body part twice a week yes I did look very toned but wasn't growing. I grew more when I was training less. Doing less sets for me works better maybe when I thought I was a hard gainer I was just over training.
I started lifting weights at 36 y/o. At that age most men would say your natural T is fairly low. I have gone from 73 kg to 97 kg in three years using high volume training.
Arnold trained 2-2,5 hours 6 days per week according to Jerry Branium
I get a Mind-Muscle connection everytime i watch Dr. Mike
Damn... I'm 3 on 1 off currently too and I like to think I'm doing a "Dr Mike" when I train, that's crazy...
Thanks for letting me know Mike. Appreciated 💯
got it boss. I learned a lot from this vid! thanks a lot.
shopping for a tennis rocket rn!
Pretty sure im too tall to do curls like that on a flat bench but ill try it on a massage table you damned mighty mite
I feel like Dorian somewhat falsely has claimed and is accused of doing very low volume. Yes, he emphasized taking one set to failure, but if you look at some of his workouts, he may be picking 8 different movements for the same muscle. If you watch his training with Mike Thurston, some of his warm-up sets are probably working sets for most people. He will even occasionally throw in a second set as needed. Some of his body parts were getting pretty close to the lower end of the 10 to 20 sets per week recommendation. He didn't take HIT training to the extreme that Mike Mentzer had done towards the end of his career and coaching. So yes, Dorian did lower volume, but every set he did mattered. He still probably trained better than most people do in the gym because they underestimate their intensity. Taking 5 to 8 sets per body part per week to beyond failure is probably more effective than taking 15 sets to an RPE 6.
Mike mentzer also exxagrated his low volume. Forgot the guy but he was also a legend from golden era nd he said he rembered mike doing 5 sets nd then later switched to fewer sets
"Yes, he emphasized taking one set to failure, but if you look at some of his workouts, he may be picking 8 different movements for the same muscle"\
No he's not, he was doing around 3-4 exercises per muscle group. For chest he did 4 in the blood and guts video
For bicep he did 3.
"If you watch his training with Mike Thurston, some of his warm-up sets are probably working sets for most people." Doesn't matter, because it's not a working set for HIM, his body and his level of advanced lifting - experience - muscle mass - strength.
You can't compare yourself to anyone else, am I going to compare my deadlift sets to Larry Wheels and then make up some irrelevant argument on warm up and working sets? no, because it wouldn't make any sense.
I'm sorry but going from 60kg as a starting set on an incline bench to 190+kg in a matter of few sets is a clear cut sign of warm up and weight progression. Doesn't really matter if 60kg is a working set for...someone else. It wasn't for Dorian.
@@dj_m1999 This seems a bit nitpicky, but when I weighed on Mike Thurston's videos, I didn't assume some of those warm-up sets were working sets because of the weight, but because of the effort put forth by Mike Thurston. It's been a minute, but in one of those videos, I believe he had even stated a working set was challenging, but don't quote me.
While there may be muscle groups that got less total volume, which was why I specified in my original comment that "some" muscles would approach the lower end of that 10-20, others got a bit more. There is a workout of his online where during his back day he has 8 movements for his upper back. So i know he did train with multiple movements per body part. 3-5 exercises per body part may have been more common for every body part per workout, but he was also on a six day cycle. He also does occasionally do a second set, and I will reiterate, that some of his warm-up sets look intense based on the effort being put forth.
All of this does means his total weekly volume is higher than people tend to give him credit for and can approach the lower end of the volume recommendations. I did not state it was high, nor did I deny it was low. It is not, however, ineffectively low and I'm guessing why people still see results using this style is because intensity is what is commonly lacking.
@@mrmap4875 Franco Columbo had stated he had started with higher volume. It's hard to say if he is a reliable source, I have heard they didn't get along, but I'd probably guess Columbo is probably right.
@@kylehass1089 8 movements for his upper back?
yeah I'm done here
Alright mate, that wus a bloody good video!
Great video , loved the impressions , I've never heard anyone fuse liverpudlian , Scottish and the birmingham accent into one .... impressive , they should give you a key to each of these places for that contribution
Not the best use of the term "genetics" in this video. Dorian clearly had incredible bodybuilding genetics, just not muscle insertions/shape. The size he could get to, the leaness his body could tolerate, his response to drugs etc. These are all genetic factors as well as probably hundreds of smaller things. Seems like the word "genetics" was substituted for "muscle insertions" in this video for some reason
Tremendous video! Do more!!
Dude the intro alone, captivating!
"a bodybuilder who's won nothing critiques a 6 time Mr. Olympia"
He literally said that.