Did you know, every time you say “rafael” you stab France twice lmao, “rafale” means “burst of wind” in French, so please PLEASE do not say some random name instead. Love your vids
The US not getting anything for Christmas is definitely not true to form. They haven't received the Hornet yet which seems like the next logical step before moving onto planes like the Raptor.
@@TheRiiiederner they will slowly migrate their dev work to another thing and in due time abandon warthunder. The grind is what milks cash for them, when that stops development will slowly halt.
Tranche 1 Eurofighters for Britain, Germany, and Italy. But the Rafale C *F3* for France, rather than the F1 or F2 that would be more comparable to the early-model Eurofighters? If this leaklist is correct, it's the Rafale to really get excited about.
@@brokengamer9675 While I really absolutely require F-18, I disagree on the Su-33. If you actually look at Su-33, it is a shockingly bad fighter jet. No R-77, only R-27/R-73 No precision guided munitions for CAS Has P270 Moskit antiship missile and an anti-radiation version Dumb rockets and dumb bombs. It's just a baseline Su-27 with stronger landing gear, engines, and canards (which limit max speed to Mach 1.75 down from Mach 2)
@superfamilyallosauridae6505 it's a naval fighter, same as the F-18 it doesn't matter if it gets certain things. It's just only right to get NATO equivalent.
My take from this. Purely speculation. The original plan was to add the F-18 for the Dec update, but due to the overwhelming superiority of the F-15E they decided to change launch priority. By adding the Eurofighters.
But why would russia get the su 33 (a slower and heavier aircraft than the 27sm), i believe that this isn’t the whole list since russia and usa would get shafted by these aesa and pesa radars, specifically russia with its lacking aircrafts
@@viktorberg1837 Early Typhoons use standard PD radars and are equipped with AIM120s. They don't get all the fancy stuff later models get. As far as Russia is concerned, I've been flying the Su-27SM out to good success rates. You just have to play to your strengths. Su-33 can do things the Su-27 can't. And R-77s are trash anyway. I have much higher kill rates using ERs and ETs.
@@jonathonspears7736yeah but it’s still just so tragic how bad Russia and the r77 is comparatively to other nations I only use the 77 defensively and now china is just getting a better flanker and the j10b glad I started grinding it
Ofc Germany won’t get a multi role Eurofoghter Typhoon because no CAS for Germany top tier… Can’t have nice things. At this point just play France: good air tree, good helicopter and leopards in ground…
They have to spread to Typhoon out to several variants ro keep the content pipeline running for months and years. Nothing new, it is just usual business strategy. Heck, they won't even add the best anti air armament to it because it is just too early for iris-ts and meteors.
German mains using an f4f while the last 2 patches were the F15C and then the F15E 2 of the best planes in the game. German mains see Eurofighter leak "YAY", US mains get one patch where the OP train stops for a sec “REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE”
@@jasona9212 and when you dare say anything against them they will bring the ground topic saying oh no Abraham tank suffer which is not related to air at all and also the US player suck . i play Abraham - leo and Type 90 - TKX tank and Ruski tank . they are way better to play with . ruski tank only advantage is lucky ERA amour some how work sometimes the rest of the time i play ruski tank it is painful - slower - lack gun depression and even lack gun penetration compare to NATO tank . at least they got lot of AA to play around but the decent CAS US main can smoke the entire team without problem
@@jasona9212 "Fr all the comments are U.S. Air mains crying from their throne of gold" Except it isn't, the F-15E will likely still be the best top tier plane. Their gripe is about the F-18 basically just being completely killed, there is no longer any reason to really add it other then for iconic purposes.
@@annguyenlehoang7779 "at least they got lot of AA to play around but the decent CAS US main can smoke the entire team without problem" So can the SU-34, it also doesn't have to face any SPAA that perform even close to the Pantsirs level. Also your joking if you think the Leo, Type 90 or TKX are worse then the Abrams. The TKX alone is significantly better then any Abrams.
A bit of a mistake I think. Rafale haven't been build to be a air defense fighter in the first place. Actually, it was part of the argue between Germany, England, Italy and France. Ger, Brit and IT wanted to have a mid weight air defense fighter where FR wanted a light weight multirole fighter. The Rafale had first air defense capabilities only because it is the most simple thing to qualify when buidling a multirole aircraft and also because the first rafale variant have been rushed in production to replace F8 on the aircraft carrier. But it is more of a ''fighter bomber'' itself than a air defense one. It's noticeable in its max speed, which is ''only'' Mach 1.8. Air defense was already carreid by Mirage 2000 C and Mirage 2000-5 at the time. And still today, our specialized air defense squadron is a Mirage 2000-5 squadron called the 1/2 Cigognes. Very good video and information stuff nontheless.
Great recap Never was the Rafale intended to be an Air superiority fighter like the typhoon was, and it clearly appears when you look at canards, far on the nose for more manoeuvrability, behind the cockpit for the rafale's pilot to actually see the ground + Considering we already had potent A/A missiles, why not make the rafale have them in the first place and then add the latest a/g ordinance ?
@@tukino9124 The variant we gonna have in WT can use AASM and GBU-12IRL, so if Gaijin don't forget that, we gonna have a wonderfull CAS platfom (specially with 6x AASM) that can defend itself from the air
@@tukino9124 you are right for the canard alltough i believe the placement of the canard on the rafale main objective is to create an air vortex on the extrados of the wing which greatly increase lift and thus slow speed performance. The canard of the eurofighter are too far from the wing for this but their forward placement allow for a better levering and better post stall maneuvering
@@goldeneaglemercenary7711 also it was already leaked with the rafale. also Sweden would get the finnish one since they didn't get anything on this list
@@marshall-yo5hothat or a Norwegian f16, but the hornet is more likely I think. They will definitely get something though to incentivize people to spam buy their new premium before it can go on sale… or another gripen, but I doubt that will happen until iris-t
What I wish they'd do is to start adding in more bombers and try to make them useful too in terms of adding vehicles. Hell, maybe give them their proper cockpits instead of placeholders. Then afterwards, it's game modes that should take priority, give us something new instead of just team deathmatch every time, or at least have it be a little diffirent than just our current system every once in a while.
F-35 tech here; just say “Ayeesuh” for AESA. Its a common thing for us in service and even on the civilian side for military aerospace and other applications to sound out abbreviations.
Gripen E is basically a necessity at this point, with how ahistorically bad Gripen C is. Agility is below even the most uncharitable sources, and the countermeasures are a joke. Radar is also underperforming. If they fix Gripen C, then it'd be okay to leave Gripen E for a while, but Gripen C at present is just hopeless in the face of new addition.
Based on that leak list the actual Jets to be excited about are the J-10B and the Rafale. The J-11B could be insane too depending on if they decide to have it be the later version with the chinese engines and AESA as well
As a German I would be more than happy if he Typhoon comes to the game, but getting it before the Hornet is ridiculous. Especially if the the russian tree gets the Su-33 Flanker-D. The Hornet would make much more sense and fills gaps in multiple trees. Side note: DEUTSCHLAND, DEUTSCHLAND ÜBER ALLEN - Rammstein
really? we have the mig29G and thats all, we need the eurofighter before f18 comes, if f18 get in the game before eurofighter the game would be sadly unbalanced for us german mains, we dont even have a good CAS yet :/
@ first of all, I am German and I absolutely love the Typhoon and I want that plane in-game, but the game is not ready for such a monster. The Swiss F/A-18C Hornet would fix this huge ahh gap and give ze German tech tree the needed boost for cas and air superiority. (The Hornet can carry up to 12 AIM-120‘s which is ridiculous by it self.)
There's pictures of the J-10B without its nose cone, I can't tell myself the difference between a AESA and PESA but what I've read some threads the general concensus seems to say it's an AESA
Gaijin be like: let's make a game dedicated to prop planes from WW2 Gaijin a few years later: wtf is a prop, I only know how to add modern jets every update
@@specc_s1452 "Air-to-air wont even be close. F-15E is too fat" Nope, not even close, the F-15E will still dominate by a decent amount, EF doesn't come close with their thrust to weight.
@aflyingcowboy31 it only has speed. As soon as it gets into a dogfight, it's too heavy, and you can feel it. The Typhoon is the closest fighter to the F-15E in terms of thrust to weight and is superior when both are fully loaded
The f 15e and f 15c will start to face some serious competition soon. Top tier will basically be everybody else looking in the skies as f 15s, eurofighters and rafales destroying each other.
Unlike the EF that was developed first as an air superiority fighter, it was not the case for the Rafale. It was made from start as an "omni role" : it can do everything from start, including CAS and more. Hence it's impressive loadout capability, this plane weight ~10T empty and can take off at almost 25T (so it can hold 150% of it's own weight with fuel and weapons).
Tried getting my friend to grind Germany for the euro, he got the tier 5 but didn't have faith and went to US tree now I have to tell the mf that I was right and it is coming😎
I will certainly be happy if the Eurofighter actually makes it to the game this next update. Firstly, Germany will finally be competitive at top tier, something that is a long time coming. Second, hopefully second, the game's tippy top at air battles will no longer be dominated by either the US or the USSR depending on the update. I say that, but the F15E exists, and I personally don't know how that compares to the early Eurofighters. Blessed be the Eurofighter, the nations of Europe can compete!
@@romane-ed5zj There is no specialised air to air rafale, this plane was, from the concept, done as a multi/omni role (specially for carriers ops first), not just an air superiority. Latter upgrade just gonna bring more toy for radar/EW/Missiles/CAS options
@@mathieu722 let me put it to you that way: Considering the high versality of the rafale arsenal, it is likely that gaijin is gonna release at least 2 versions. A first loadout being a "CAS" one (and some simple air defense), and a second one, being more focused on "air superiority". By no mean do i think gaijin not know the rafale is "omnirole", but maybe the size of the weaponery it can bring is too big. But idk tbf so correct me on that if you think your right.
Eurofighter is one of the most popular jets IN THE WORLD, and still one of the best. Heatblur is working on one for DCS which is also highly anticipated, can't wait for that, since I'll never grind enough to get one in War Thunder XD
It's no surprise that France has a strong domestic weapon industry given that it's very hard to impossible to work together with them and their stuborness on projects
And yet the French have completed more multinational projects than anybody else in Europe, or even the world, I'm fairly sure. Sometimes these projects fail, okay. But still, it's not like the Germans are easy to work with.
i am actually starting to wonder what they will do in like 2026 , at this point probaly both F/A 18 A-D and F/A 18 E/F will be added next year and thats kinda it...
I would welcome the Eurofighter very much, but I wonder why Gaijin wants to give the Soviet Tree the Su-33 but doesn't want to give the US Tree an F-18C. But Eurofighter sound to good to be true
@@zoega0850Well we do get the C F3. Thats also why I don't get why they only give us Tranche 1 Eurofighters. They are not even used for combat anymore as far as I know but just for display/air shows.
No idea why they're bringing Tranche 1s instead of T2/T3/T4/T4.5. The UK now only use T1s for air displays. All frontline jets are T2/T3. As WT goes though, it'll be much worse than it is IRL.
Most likely as an excuse to not give the British their meteor missile because that thing realistically outperforms most if not quite possibly all other modern air to air missiles.
i still in the "waiting for the mig-25" camp, i know alot of people never want to see it in game but i just think it would be so cool. especially if they ever decide to make the air RB maps bigger.
Dunno for the PzH 2000 but the EF was made by 4 country, of course 3 of them ingame gonna have them togeter, it's not a German plane, but an "European" one.
@@mathieu722 top tier is just gonna be Eurofighter spam now. The reason why i think playing germany is gonna be uselss once again is because more and more nations are getting for example Leopards. Why did France for example need to get Leopards? Now it has better top tier than germany because of them and the Leclercs.
@@kristapsjankavs9359 Oh as a French main don't worry, i 200% hate the leo in our TT while we have dozens of domestic (or original Belgium stuff) to add.
I dont know... For me it feels to early for eurofighter and rafale. F-18 would be the next logical step imo. If the eurofighter comes the next update i would easily guess F-22 next year in december...!
Imagine getting the F18 and the Su33 only for this December, Su33 vs Mirage 2000 is just unfair since the Su27SM and the Su34 are here with no equivalent in the other nations, we need to introduce them to balance the game
I am really excited for the Rafale, but are the really just skipping over the first ever production fighter jet to have an AESA radar? Justice for the F-2. Not only would it be really nice to have, but it would fix Japan’s top tier CAS issue. Seriously, I had to grind an entire other tree to finally use laser guided bombs and other CAS goodies.
@@derritter3873 In my opinion the f2 should be left last, it has the best of Japan if they put it in now I don't think they will put their best missiles in it and it would remove an option for these missiles in the future
@@blackbite6178 Why does that even matter? Why does it matter if they release the missiles now instead of later? and left last? you do know japan operates F-35s yeah? meaning you'd like the F-2 to be added after they finally in like 5 years add the F-35?
@ earlier rafale and typhoon was one sided, the time when rafale obliterated typhoons with their AESA and that thing made UK switch fast and buy AESA radars too
Well sorta, eurofighter will be miles ahead in BVR due to better engines and aim-120 while the Rafale would be much better close range due to better AOA and MICA.
@@lazer2238 Welp indeed Mica EM does not have the range advantage, but it sures have the NEZ advantage :) And man the Typhoon is purposely made for A/A i can't let you say that it is worse than the rafale in dogfight
@@maxpopkov1432 They are pretty equal indeed. But the French playerbase is not pretty equal than the others, usually if you look at the winrate over the years :p
mig31 would be miserable without the r37, and the absolutely cannot add that yet. either way its gonna be bad, but lets not break the game with a stupidly broken missile again
@@goliath3413 its not ok, by any means, but we do no, under any circumstances fight broken with broken. And anyway, russua had the r27er for a year and a half with no competition, and still have the et, so I would not say they have nothing.
Could be worst, France have a PESA radar in the game since few times (Super Etendard), but they never make it works like it should (neither it's PESA or ground radar capability).
I’d say the ICE would be the better spot as that’s the fighter line but I can’t be sure. As the ICE line is sorta the US Planes that they bought while the tornado line is the European planes.
@@thegermanmadman2873I’m almost done with the Ice. I’m grinding France and will probably get the Rafale first though. Tranche 1 could only carry 9m and aim120. Rafale f3 can carry everything from Magics to Meteors. I think we’ll see the Mica IR this update too.
@Anthony-whoop-whoop it could be like a f5 situation where the better version is tech tree and a slightly worse version is premium, and with them adding the premium viggen that is possible Or like the tornado where a premium was added when they was introduced
It’s in the name.. EUROfighter, well, the European are getting it obviously. Thanks France for quitting this crappy project and for making your own aircraft
Well, Mirage 4000 is a pre Rafale, it was abandoned after the first prototype of the Rafale so I’d guess it will come under the Mirage 4000 because of that
Rafale C (the one leaked) under the Mirage 2000-5F is the most logical choice since it's the fighter line. Then Rafale M could come after the "navy" line and Rafale B after the M4000 for making 3 lines withthe 3 main family of Rafales.
If the typhoon and rafale are added then I feel like the f-22 or a similar us vehicle should be added as most say the rafale and the typhoon are f-22 killers even though everyone knows the truth of the f-22
Frenchies be gaining all the information from britain in germany during r&d on both tornado and typhoon, then quit amd make a similar aircraft "all by themselves" 💀 then call it fully domestical
Tornado first flew in 1970. Mirage G8 in 1967. Eurofighter project proposed in 1979. Super Mirage 4000 flew in 1978. Not to mention, the aircraft ending up with vastly different aerodynamic choices when looking into detail. But i'm sure you have solid elements showing the french did not bring data, and just copied ?
No US top SPAA? Unless they make US aircraft cost less point otherwise they better add a good SPAA in top tier for the US, air power is a joke now with Pantsir spamming missiles right after you respawn. Also no f18 still, I hope it gets on the upcoming leaks otherwise US is suspiciously mistreated by Gaijin
Except that doesn't only apply to the US. But they should really balance the pantsir, even if it is just forcing it to have to deploy it's support legs before it can shoot.
It's time for the European answer to the dominance of America at top tier. A vehicle set that many have been looking forward to including myself
german mains rejoice
cas incoming
@@scripterzofindia HARM amen
Did you know, every time you say “rafael” you stab France twice lmao, “rafale” means “burst of wind” in French, so please PLEASE do not say some random name instead.
Love your vids
i think you got the title wrong: it's 2.43, 1.43 is a bit outdated
The US not getting anything for Christmas is definitely not true to form.
They haven't received the Hornet yet which seems like the next logical step before moving onto planes like the Raptor.
Eurofighter and PzH 2000 coming in the same update? Press X to doubt.
Yea doubtful for sure
Pzh 2000 just going to be a mediocre vehicle in game wish we had actually ways to use artillery but that would be too much of a dream 😮💨
Eurofighter is kind of overdue
why not? PzH2000 is just artilery pieace, its not a vehicle thats gonna change anything much.
its just popular
@@howtobenormal5497 Cant wait for them give better version of Pzh to other countries at same BR :D sigh
At this pace, F-22 before F-18A.
remember this, f 22 will be added in August 2025
@@doonder100sure they can do that but then make it so that it can only fight other F22s
@@ANUBISseyes2 We need to add weather balloon for the air arcade assault.
i actually wonder what they will do in like 2026 , at this point probaly both F/A 18 A-D and F/A 18 E/F will be added next year and thats kinda it...
@@TheRiiiederner they will slowly migrate their dev work to another thing and in due time abandon warthunder. The grind is what milks cash for them, when that stops development will slowly halt.
They're adding AESA Radar but not the first ever plane to enter service with it that being the F-2. Typical Gaijoob.
Nobody cares anime Bros
@@freeabrums8311 it's a considerable aircraft, go away
@@GridDelinquent in war thunder its just a better F16
@@freeabrums8311 just like half of the aircraft, indeed it's a better version of another with a considerable tech upgrade. go away
Tranche 1 Eurofighters for Britain, Germany, and Italy. But the Rafale C *F3* for France, rather than the F1 or F2 that would be more comparable to the early-model Eurofighters? If this leaklist is correct, it's the Rafale to really get excited about.
And as for the Kfir Block 60...it's a pity they didn't also upgrade the engine.
@@RedXlV Don't get too excited, especially after what they did to the Mirage 2000D RMV...
I wonder if they’ll model the spectra ew suite for the Rafale.
@Likeaworm No, atleast not yet
@@Likeaworm it will be probably just be categorised as a MAW and a RWR.
Still no JASDF F2
It’s a war crime at this point not having this jet for Japan.
@@TheGeekyOptics they don't even have jdams 😭
@@howtobenormal5497 and ? was the F2's purpose to bomb something ? 😐😐
@tukino9124 I'm saying the f15j an such is missing its Jdams lol. F-2 is multi role fyi
@@howtobenormal5497 the typhoon is multirole but was intended to be an air superiority fighter fyi
We should have the super hornet by now, but we don't even have the F-18A
We don't even have the normal Hornet. which is straight BS, if the Su-33 is actually coming this next update then it'd just be unfair.
@@brokengamer9675 While I really absolutely require F-18, I disagree on the Su-33. If you actually look at Su-33, it is a shockingly bad fighter jet.
No R-77, only R-27/R-73
No precision guided munitions for CAS
Has P270 Moskit antiship missile and an anti-radiation version
Dumb rockets and dumb bombs.
It's just a baseline Su-27 with stronger landing gear, engines, and canards (which limit max speed to Mach 1.75 down from Mach 2)
@@superfamilyallosauridae6505Who was it that said the Su 33 was Mach 2 capable?? Canards don’t always limit speeds lol
@@BARelement Su-33 is an Su-27 variant. Nobody said Su-33 was Mach 2 capable. I'm saying it's one of the things that changed from Su-27.
@superfamilyallosauridae6505 it's a naval fighter, same as the F-18 it doesn't matter if it gets certain things. It's just only right to get NATO equivalent.
My take from this. Purely speculation.
The original plan was to add the F-18 for the Dec update, but due to the overwhelming superiority of the F-15E they decided to change launch priority. By adding the Eurofighters.
Good take tbf...
Yea that actually makes this make sense
But why would russia get the su 33 (a slower and heavier aircraft than the 27sm), i believe that this isn’t the whole list since russia and usa would get shafted by these aesa and pesa radars, specifically russia with its lacking aircrafts
@@viktorberg1837
Early Typhoons use standard PD radars and are equipped with AIM120s. They don't get all the fancy stuff later models get. As far as Russia is concerned, I've been flying the Su-27SM out to good success rates. You just have to play to your strengths. Su-33 can do things the Su-27 can't. And R-77s are trash anyway. I have much higher kill rates using ERs and ETs.
@@jonathonspears7736yeah but it’s still just so tragic how bad Russia and the r77 is comparatively to other nations I only use the 77 defensively and now china is just getting a better flanker and the j10b glad I started grinding it
Ofc Germany won’t get a multi role Eurofoghter Typhoon because no CAS for Germany top tier… Can’t have nice things. At this point just play France: good air tree, good helicopter and leopards in ground…
as german maın ı am ın just jealous trees wıth top tıer cas at these moments
They have to spread to Typhoon out to several variants ro keep the content pipeline running for months and years. Nothing new, it is just usual business strategy. Heck, they won't even add the best anti air armament to it because it is just too early for iris-ts and meteors.
@ yeah Italy has better Leo for some reason, France has better Helicopter and Air tree
F4 ice is nice for cas but dont give up u will get the f18 too
I would just use the Tornado. But i agree, it isnt the best CAS ever
German mains using an f4f while the last 2 patches were the F15C and then the F15E 2 of the best planes in the game. German mains see Eurofighter leak "YAY", US mains get one patch where the OP train stops for a sec “REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE”
Really hate those US main . always yelling
Fr all the comments are U.S. Air mains crying from their throne of gold
@@jasona9212 and when you dare say anything against them they will bring the ground topic saying oh no Abraham tank suffer which is not related to air at all and also the US player suck . i play Abraham - leo and Type 90 - TKX tank and Ruski tank . they are way better to play with . ruski tank only advantage is lucky ERA amour some how work sometimes the rest of the time i play ruski tank it is painful - slower - lack gun depression and even lack gun penetration compare to NATO tank . at least they got lot of AA to play around but the decent CAS US main can smoke the entire team without problem
@@jasona9212 "Fr all the comments are U.S. Air mains crying from their throne of gold"
Except it isn't, the F-15E will likely still be the best top tier plane. Their gripe is about the F-18 basically just being completely killed, there is no longer any reason to really add it other then for iconic purposes.
@@annguyenlehoang7779 "at least they got lot of AA to play around but the decent CAS US main can smoke the entire team without problem"
So can the SU-34, it also doesn't have to face any SPAA that perform even close to the Pantsirs level. Also your joking if you think the Leo, Type 90 or TKX are worse then the Abrams. The TKX alone is significantly better then any Abrams.
A bit of a mistake I think. Rafale haven't been build to be a air defense fighter in the first place. Actually, it was part of the argue between Germany, England, Italy and France. Ger, Brit and IT wanted to have a mid weight air defense fighter where FR wanted a light weight multirole fighter.
The Rafale had first air defense capabilities only because it is the most simple thing to qualify when buidling a multirole aircraft and also because the first rafale variant have been rushed in production to replace F8 on the aircraft carrier. But it is more of a ''fighter bomber'' itself than a air defense one. It's noticeable in its max speed, which is ''only'' Mach 1.8. Air defense was already carreid by Mirage 2000 C and Mirage 2000-5 at the time. And still today, our specialized air defense squadron is a Mirage 2000-5 squadron called the 1/2 Cigognes.
Very good video and information stuff nontheless.
Great recap
Never was the Rafale intended to be an Air superiority fighter like the typhoon was, and it clearly appears when you look at canards, far on the nose for more manoeuvrability, behind the cockpit for the rafale's pilot to actually see the ground
+ Considering we already had potent A/A missiles, why not make the rafale have them in the first place and then add the latest a/g ordinance ?
@@tukino9124 The variant we gonna have in WT can use AASM and GBU-12IRL, so if Gaijin don't forget that, we gonna have a wonderfull CAS platfom (specially with 6x AASM) that can defend itself from the air
@@mathieu722 I know right the Ground Battles are about to turn in hell simulator, i wonder if they’d had both IR Laser and GPS guided AASM
@@tukino9124 you are right for the canard alltough i believe the placement of the canard on the rafale main objective is to create an air vortex on the extrados of the wing which greatly increase lift and thus slow speed performance. The canard of the eurofighter are too far from the wing for this but their forward placement allow for a better levering and better post stall maneuvering
Should i start to go crazy by not seeing the F-18 Hornet on the leaks? Because I'm already are, DAMNIT Gaijin
This is only a small start. There were other vehicles from last patch that were added, and were not on the preliminary leak list at first
@@goldeneaglemercenary7711 also it was already leaked with the rafale.
also Sweden would get the finnish one since they didn't get anything on this list
@@marshall-yo5hothat or a Norwegian f16, but the hornet is more likely I think. They will definitely get something though to incentivize people to spam buy their new premium before it can go on sale… or another gripen, but I doubt that will happen until iris-t
Drip drip drip goes the content feed. F-18 will get in, just not yet.
I really hope to see the Atlas cheetah now that the Kfir c.10 looks like it will be coming
since stealth has come anything is possible now, all that we need do is wait.
I wonder what War Thunder will be like when there is no more modern vehicles to add
We’ll see war thunder 2 and they’ll start back at WW2 vehicles but in this version it’ll be silver eagles and golden lions as the currency.
Far more concept vehicles
What I wish they'd do is to start adding in more bombers and try to make them useful too in terms of adding vehicles. Hell, maybe give them their proper cockpits instead of placeholders. Then afterwards, it's game modes that should take priority, give us something new instead of just team deathmatch every time, or at least have it be a little diffirent than just our current system every once in a while.
They'll start working on game modes and variants, different weapons, other countries
A good game mode
All the people talking about: not addin this or that, like guys its the first leak list 2 weeks after the last update💀. Have some patiance.
Next update is in less than a month. The current update was just super late.
We should start seeing Devblogs next week.
@jonathonspears7736 exactly there arent even dev blogs and they are already complaining
Damn the grinds got you cooked bro, the last update was only a week ago.
@PaxBritannica34563 i might be cooked
Was nothing even worth grinding for me in the recent update. Bought the F-117 for memes, but then went back to flying my Su-27
F-35 tech here; just say “Ayeesuh” for AESA. Its a common thing for us in service and even on the civilian side for military aerospace and other applications to sound out abbreviations.
You have the job i'm currenly studing for ❤
This is the same guy that calls the LAV-AD the “lavad”. Strange.
I'm Batman then
I really hope that Gaijin adds the Gripen E sometime soon
I wish! It wont be anywhere near soon though sadly
@ All I can do is hope, (cope, even.) and pray for the Gripen E’s release.
LOL, what's next, F-35A?
@@paulsteaven Wouldn’t be too surprised if the F-35 got leaked to be added lol
Gripen E is basically a necessity at this point, with how ahistorically bad Gripen C is. Agility is below even the most uncharitable sources, and the countermeasures are a joke. Radar is also underperforming. If they fix Gripen C, then it'd be okay to leave Gripen E for a while, but Gripen C at present is just hopeless in the face of new addition.
it would be amazing if the eurofighter would get meteors and storm shadows
it wont even have aim 120c 😂😂
@@Zx17OPv57i i will fucking cry ; (((
@@malteschön-123 no really it wont, only aim 120a
@@malteschön-123meteors would be too op in the current meta. With the eurofighters speed the 120 will be very sufficient.
Meteor denied, so EF and Rafale not gonna have meteor nor stormshadow/SCALP
Based on that leak list the actual Jets to be excited about are the J-10B and the Rafale. The J-11B could be insane too depending on if they decide to have it be the later version with the chinese engines and AESA as well
As a German I would be more than happy if he Typhoon comes to the game, but getting it before the Hornet is ridiculous. Especially if the the russian tree gets the Su-33 Flanker-D. The Hornet would make much more sense and fills gaps in multiple trees.
Side note: DEUTSCHLAND, DEUTSCHLAND ÜBER ALLEN - Rammstein
really? we have the mig29G and thats all, we need the eurofighter before f18 comes, if f18 get in the game before eurofighter the game would be sadly unbalanced for us german mains, we dont even have a good CAS yet :/
@ first of all, I am German and I absolutely love the Typhoon and I want that plane in-game, but the game is not ready for such a monster.
The Swiss F/A-18C Hornet would fix this huge ahh gap and give ze German tech tree the needed boost for cas and air superiority. (The Hornet can carry up to 12 AIM-120‘s which is ridiculous by it self.)
@-Atlas98 the problem here is, if they launch the f18 in the game, it would probably be an premium swiss sub tech tree for geman, still not fair.
This update is such a banger
Besides Russia with the booty ahhh su33
its really sad not seeing F18 on the leak. however, not only that, no SPAA for top tier USA made me way more sorrowful.
if russia does not get a new aircraft thats not the su-33 its jover for them as well
@@chrishansmatthews6260 At least America has the F15E Russia is just plain old cooked
I wish they would just add all the American vehicles so I can stop hearing us mains cry about not getting their new toy
Lol shadap US time is over now
Do US mains ever shut up
I DAMAND the f2 NOW gaijin
Pretty sure the J-10B uses a PESA radar but was originally supposed to have a AESA radar but that was given to the J-10C?
Pretty sure you're correct about that.
There's pictures of the J-10B without its nose cone, I can't tell myself the difference between a AESA and PESA but what I've read some threads the general concensus seems to say it's an AESA
Gaijin be like: let's make a game dedicated to prop planes from WW2
Gaijin a few years later: wtf is a prop, I only know how to add modern jets every update
US main not having the best aircraft for one update : Panik
F-15E will still be the best aircraft.
funniest part is the Typhoon will be at most even with it, the F15E and I will still probably be better lol
@batlax18 CAS-wise definetely, since this is just tranche-1. Air-to-air wont even be close. F-15E is too fat
@@specc_s1452 "Air-to-air wont even be close. F-15E is too fat"
Nope, not even close, the F-15E will still dominate by a decent amount, EF doesn't come close with their thrust to weight.
@aflyingcowboy31 it only has speed. As soon as it gets into a dogfight, it's too heavy, and you can feel it. The Typhoon is the closest fighter to the F-15E in terms of thrust to weight and is superior when both are fully loaded
already waiting EF2000 and Refale for 3 years since apex predator
Rafale*
US mains aint gonna like the fact that all their fighters are gonna get whooped
The f 15e and f 15c will start to face some serious competition soon. Top tier will basically be everybody else looking in the skies as f 15s, eurofighters and rafales destroying each other.
@@martinwellhoefer9159
Finally, AIR REALISTIC BATTLE
@martinwellhoefer9159 the J-16 will be able to vibe with those no problem. Kinematically superior to most of them and with longer range missiles.
Unlike the EF that was developed first as an air superiority fighter, it was not the case for the Rafale. It was made from start as an "omni role" : it can do everything from start, including CAS and more.
Hence it's impressive loadout capability, this plane weight ~10T empty and can take off at almost 25T (so it can hold 150% of it's own weight with fuel and weapons).
In my opinion, germany should get a polish f-16 since the german air toptier is lacking and leopard 2pl is already in the game.
The 2PL is in Germany because it was a modification made by Germany for the Polish forces
@@specc_s1452 so? does poland use the tank or not
(5:08) As someone who has grinded the entirety of the German air tree, I can say I used to pray for times like these
Tried getting my friend to grind Germany for the euro, he got the tier 5 but didn't have faith and went to US tree now I have to tell the mf that I was right and it is coming😎
if they add all these aircraft with AESA radar i expect getting the F2 as well
I will certainly be happy if the Eurofighter actually makes it to the game this next update. Firstly, Germany will finally be competitive at top tier, something that is a long time coming. Second, hopefully second, the game's tippy top at air battles will no longer be dominated by either the US or the USSR depending on the update. I say that, but the F15E exists, and I personally don't know how that compares to the early Eurofighters. Blessed be the Eurofighter, the nations of Europe can compete!
F-15e will still shitstomp everything I think. But skill diff+13 missiles might be enough to balance the scales a little
@@norske_ow3440idk Eurofighter has a great thrust to weight and can get up to altitude very quickly
The typhoon will be even better than than the f15
I mean Israel and Sweden are doing great in air rb too. Im getting consistent 3 kill games with the F15I
@@norske_ow3440 nah the typhoon will mog
How is 'Raphael' cooler than a 'Rafale', which means 'Gust' - a sudden and strong wind.
Not even 1 WW2 vehicle? Watch, there will be one, but it'll be another copy paste P-51 or something...
The block 5 tranche 1 have air to ground fully capable
RAFALE MENTIONEEEEEEEED RAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I believe the Rafael F3 series is air to ground compatible. It was the F1 that was mainly air to air.
I do think they are gonna add it as cas yeah. Maybe we'll get a more specialised air to air rafale later on tho
F3.2 is versatile
@@romane-ed5zj There is no specialised air to air rafale, this plane was, from the concept, done as a multi/omni role (specially for carriers ops first), not just an air superiority.
Latter upgrade just gonna bring more toy for radar/EW/Missiles/CAS options
@@mathieu722 i meant a specialised "loadout"...
@@mathieu722 let me put it to you that way:
Considering the high versality of the rafale arsenal, it is likely that gaijin is gonna release at least 2 versions. A first loadout being a "CAS" one (and some simple air defense), and a second one, being more focused on "air superiority". By no mean do i think gaijin not know the rafale is "omnirole", but maybe the size of the weaponery it can bring is too big. But idk tbf so correct me on that if you think your right.
Mig21LancerB with a10c type hmd voice warning, laser bombs with rafale pod and r73 would be fire for italy as 12.7 ground striker
I think Russia will be getting another vehicle too if China is getting two. Maybe a MiG29k or Su30?
Russia will get 4 or 5 while China will get 1 and if they’re lucky and get some good social credits they might see 2 during an update.
Eurofighter is one of the most popular jets IN THE WORLD, and still one of the best. Heatblur is working on one for DCS which is also highly anticipated, can't wait for that, since I'll never grind enough to get one in War Thunder XD
It's no surprise that France has a strong domestic weapon industry given that it's very hard to impossible to work together with them and their stuborness on projects
And yet the French have completed more multinational projects than anybody else in Europe, or even the world, I'm fairly sure. Sometimes these projects fail, okay. But still, it's not like the Germans are easy to work with.
Love from Colombia TEC
14 major updates ago, they promised the f-2 'in a few updates'
i am actually starting to wonder what they will do in like 2026 , at this point probaly both F/A 18 A-D and F/A 18 E/F will be added next year and thats kinda it...
5th gen and new game modes I imagine. Still a few years until the they run out of new stuff.
Often see euro fighters training above my house fantastic to watch 👌
I expect the FA18 to be in this release since like the EuroFighter you have a lot of cross over with other countries.
I wonder when they will fix sinking Ground targets in SIm air battles.
Germany might finally have a more competitive fighter than the F4
09:20 Indonesia mentioned 🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🦅🦅🦅🦅
Padahal blm dateng wkwkw
I would welcome the Eurofighter very much, but I wonder why Gaijin wants to give the Soviet Tree the Su-33 but doesn't want to give the US Tree an F-18C.
But Eurofighter sound to good to be true
Just watched the ground vehicle version of this video Love the content man
F-2 when gaijin
Fr
Yesterday
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if they add any plane with an AESA radar before the f-2 I'm gonna riot
South African Kfir's and the majorly upgraded versions when?
If this leaklist is correct, I would also expect the Gripen E or NG for Sweden
Why? They (or atleast the E) are more equivalent to the F35, Rafale C F3/4, Eurofighter tranche 3/4. Its too early for all these i would say
I would rather see the latest Gripen C with more functionality
@@zoega0850Well we do get the C F3. Thats also why I don't get why they only give us Tranche 1 Eurofighters. They are not even used for combat anymore as far as I know but just for display/air shows.
No idea why they're bringing Tranche 1s instead of T2/T3/T4/T4.5. The UK now only use T1s for air displays. All frontline jets are T2/T3. As WT goes though, it'll be much worse than it is IRL.
Most likely as an excuse to not give the British their meteor missile because that thing realistically outperforms most if not quite possibly all other modern air to air missiles.
While at the same time France gets the F3
i still in the "waiting for the mig-25" camp, i know alot of people never want to see it in game but i just think it would be so cool. especially if they ever decide to make the air RB maps bigger.
cant wait for the PzH 2000 and Typhoon added to almost every single nation in game, once again making playing germany uselsess
Dunno for the PzH 2000 but the EF was made by 4 country, of course 3 of them ingame gonna have them togeter, it's not a German plane, but an "European" one.
@@mathieu722 top tier is just gonna be Eurofighter spam now. The reason why i think playing germany is gonna be uselss once again is because more and more nations are getting for example Leopards. Why did France for example need to get Leopards? Now it has better top tier than germany because of them and the Leclercs.
@@kristapsjankavs9359 Oh as a French main don't worry, i 200% hate the leo in our TT while we have dozens of domestic (or original Belgium stuff) to add.
Thank god i just unlocked the f4 ice
If they put in all of this but not the hornet people are gonna be livid lmao
I dont know...
For me it feels to early for eurofighter and rafale. F-18 would be the next logical step imo. If the eurofighter comes the next update i would easily guess F-22 next year in december...!
Imagine getting the F18 and the Su33 only for this December, Su33 vs Mirage 2000 is just unfair since the Su27SM and the Su34 are here with no equivalent in the other nations, we need to introduce them to balance the game
I am really excited for the Rafale, but are the really just skipping over the first ever production fighter jet to have an AESA radar? Justice for the F-2. Not only would it be really nice to have, but it would fix Japan’s top tier CAS issue. Seriously, I had to grind an entire other tree to finally use laser guided bombs and other CAS goodies.
@@derritter3873 In my opinion the f2 should be left last, it has the best of Japan if they put it in now I don't think they will put their best missiles in it and it would remove an option for these missiles in the future
@@blackbite6178 Why does that even matter? Why does it matter if they release the missiles now instead of later? and left last? you do know japan operates F-35s yeah? meaning you'd like the F-2 to be added after they finally in like 5 years add the F-35?
Time to put the grippen in its place
I'm missing my Mitsubishi F2
Wonder if they'll let the Typhoon carry 14 AMRAAMs.
@@NeightrixPrime Hell no, the typhoon doesn't carry 14 amraam, it carries 8 and 2-4 ir missiles, a combination of 10 missiles in total
@@NeightrixPrime Please delete your comment before a main USA looses a screw
@@blackbite6178 It has 13 pylons capable of carrying missiles so yes it can carry 13
@@Vexxed1 No, air to air missiles can only carry 10, 3 pylons are for fuel tanks and optics pods
@@Vexxed1 Search on Google images, "Eurofighter Hardpoints" and you will see
Meteor missile would dominate, no shot they add it
Of the kfir comes only with 4 missiles they should give it the python 4 or the derby er
American mains complaining like they havent got complete dominance in AirRB right now
I wish they would put it only on US tree alone and no other tech tree. Tired of fighting mirror planes
The J10B has thrust vectoring😢
Hahaha only the tvc demonstrator
Super tomcat still gone dark……..
Any suggestions on which tree the Eurofighter will be in? I only have Mig29 and F4F 😂 I would like to get it right away
The maps for aircraft need to get bigger
Total Agree.
For once the f-18 isn't being clickbaited
I'm starting to wonder if they're going to skip the legacy hornet and just add the super Hornet
me waiting for gaijin to add the rafale to smash eurofighters
They’re pretty equal
@ earlier rafale and typhoon was one sided, the time when rafale obliterated typhoons with their AESA and that thing made UK switch fast and buy AESA radars too
Well sorta, eurofighter will be miles ahead in BVR due to better engines and aim-120 while the Rafale would be much better close range due to better AOA and MICA.
@@lazer2238 Welp indeed Mica EM does not have the range advantage, but it sures have the NEZ advantage :)
And man the Typhoon is purposely made for A/A i can't let you say that it is worse than the rafale in dogfight
@@maxpopkov1432 They are pretty equal indeed.
But the French playerbase is not pretty equal than the others, usually if you look at the winrate over the years :p
3:32 Kuwait mentioned. RAAAAAAAAAAAAH
We are getting AESA radars before getting the aircraft that introduced PESA...the mig-31..
mig31 would be miserable without the r37, and the absolutely cannot add that yet. either way its gonna be bad, but lets not break the game with a stupidly broken missile again
@@batlax18 when americans do it, its ok. when its russia's turn, its not. ))))
@@goliath3413 its not ok, by any means, but we do no, under any circumstances fight broken with broken. And anyway, russua had the r27er for a year and a half with no competition, and still have the et, so I would not say they have nothing.
Could be worst, France have a PESA radar in the game since few times (Super Etendard), but they never make it works like it should (neither it's PESA or ground radar capability).
nothing for japan, seems legit
betting this update is gonna be called something to do with canards
Gaijin is still afraid to add Hornet in the game?
Where can I read the leaks?
I bet they will give the euro fighter to Britain and Italy but not Germany
I dont give a f- about Typhoon (jk), its RAFALE TIME !
So where would the typhoon go in the german tek tree under the f4 phantom ice or under the tornado
I’d say the ICE would be the better spot as that’s the fighter line but I can’t be sure. As the ICE line is sorta the US Planes that they bought while the tornado line is the European planes.
@@bagelmaster2498 yeah i just need to use this Event to Research the tornado and the ice so im on the safer side
@@thegermanmadman2873I’m almost done with the Ice. I’m grinding France and will probably get the Rafale first though. Tranche 1 could only carry 9m and aim120. Rafale f3 can carry everything from Magics to Meteors. I think we’ll see the Mica IR this update too.
@@Likeaworm the tranche 1 can carry gbu‘s and the lightening 3 pod.
And it would be at 13.7-14.0
What's the chances one of those typhoons is premium
Probably 0 unless they decide to add the Saudi version in a later update for probably the UK.
@Anthony-whoop-whoop it could be like a f5 situation where the better version is tech tree and a slightly worse version is premium, and with them adding the premium viggen that is possible
Or like the tornado where a premium was added when they was introduced
Istg when tf will they add the MiG 31
do you know when premiums will ggo on sale
still no leak for the Avro Vulcan 😢
Nor the Mirage IV :(
Basicly whole nato has the eurofighter
It’s in the name.. EUROfighter, well, the European are getting it obviously.
Thanks France for quitting this crappy project and for making your own aircraft
rafale under 5f or 4000, cause I don’t want to research the 4000😅
Well, Mirage 4000 is a pre Rafale, it was abandoned after the first prototype of the Rafale so I’d guess it will come under the Mirage 4000 because of that
Rafale C (the one leaked) under the Mirage 2000-5F is the most logical choice since it's the fighter line.
Then Rafale M could come after the "navy" line and Rafale B after the M4000 for making 3 lines withthe 3 main family of Rafales.
If the typhoon and rafale are added then I feel like the f-22 or a similar us vehicle should be added as most say the rafale and the typhoon are f-22 killers even though everyone knows the truth of the f-22
F22 is overrated, even though it’s still equal to the Rafale, the « American air supremacy » is the most marketing thing ever.
@ the f-22 is only limited to be hide its true capabilities the wins are so rigged into the other planes favor yet the f-22 still wins in most cases.
@@keegengaj1158
« Still wins » they don’t even fighting each others, and the simulations are saying that the F22 is kinda equal to the Rafale
If the leak list is right, we got early Rafale and EF. F-22 is still ahead.
We need more modernized variants of thoses planes for the F-22 to come.
@ yet the f-22a would still have similar capabilities to the early rafale or typhoon. Or if the yf-23 or f-16xl.
"Rafay" 💀
STILL NO F-18!?
Frenchies be gaining all the information from britain in germany during r&d on both tornado and typhoon, then quit amd make a similar aircraft "all by themselves" 💀 then call it fully domestical
Tornado first flew in 1970. Mirage G8 in 1967.
Eurofighter project proposed in 1979. Super Mirage 4000 flew in 1978.
Not to mention, the aircraft ending up with vastly different aerodynamic choices when looking into detail.
But i'm sure you have solid elements showing the french did not bring data, and just copied ?
Lmao more like britain and germany struggling to make a competent aircraft after dassault left
Su 33 vs EF and Rafale
Gaijin is an absolute joke atp
i play us ussr sweden none of those will get eurofighter or rafale
No US top SPAA? Unless they make US aircraft cost less point otherwise they better add a good SPAA in top tier for the US, air power is a joke now with Pantsir spamming missiles right after you respawn. Also no f18 still, I hope it gets on the upcoming leaks otherwise US is suspiciously mistreated by Gaijin
No no no
Except that doesn't only apply to the US. But they should really balance the pantsir, even if it is just forcing it to have to deploy it's support legs before it can shoot.
You just got a very broken F15E and you're still complaining? Please 😂
no foxhound //sad noise..
Colombian Kfir? I’d be surprised if that thing went anywhere but into the Israeli tech tree.
two different accurate leakers have it going to Israel so thats for sure where i would expect it