Another great video/review John. Thanks for sharing all the new RCF/DB-technology products. Your videos are so informative & really get into the heart & soul of each box you review. By far my favorite You-tube Ch !!! Thanks again..
Thanks so so much for the video. I have a question, I am thinking of buying ES503, for the celebration of my upcoming wedding. Am not a DJ, and it is so much expensive to get a DJ over here in Germany. Can we use the ES503 or ES602 for 75 persons in a restaurant? My second question is, can the ES602 or ES503 be connected with a Laptop and play with it? My last question is, which of the ES602 or Es503 will you recommend base on my situation? Thanks so much once more
Yes , the ES503 in stereo mode would work well for PA and music or dancing... not quite DJ with one , but it will get the job done...you can connect the ES series with ¼" or XLR to 3.5mm mini plug and off you go... no need for a separate mixer ... low end will be acceptable , not quite full on DJ but will work..2 will be better.
Great Vid thank you. (dB Tech marketing take note, nothing comparable on TH-cam to how helpful this video is especially on dB's own channel) Question : Could I pair an ES802 with an ES503, the 503 (Left) would send the 802 the Right hand signal, this is for 2 reasons, 1) I can take advantage of the 503's Bluetooth and therefore have a stereo bluetooth signal in both subs, processed and split in the 503. 2) reduces the cost, the 802 has slightly more power but I can just reduce the 802's output surely, it also costs less than the 503 ? We're a wedding band and so the Bluetooth is really handy as it would save the clients paying for a DJ. Thanks in advance
The BT output on the ES503 is going to be mono only and you can not tell it Left or Right on the output, it is summed. So, yes you can, but will be mono only and not stereo. American DJ and Denon and Marantz make nice BT receivers that are not too costly that would be a better option. The BT on the ES503 is good reliably to about 20 feet. I would be uncomfortable going any further.
Thanks a mill for the prompt and detailed reply and insight, I will check them out. Subbed and liked, fantastically informative videos and knowledge, Thank You !
We would have to bring one in, but it is not much different than the ES503, more power and only mono output... drivers are all the same in the boxes, just a bit more SPL output, but same sonic sound as the ES503
Yes, just daisy chain signal in / out with XLR cables .... you will not want to run them side by side as causes comb fiter issues, but separate into left/right config and run mono or 2 channel L/R
Hello guys, i write from Argentina, great videos! I would like to know how this speaker system works with a live rock band, does it have enough power? thanks!!!
+Venus It would for a smaller setting. Used for a 5 piece band, Roland V Drums, Bass direct, Guitars , Keys and Vocals, good for around 300 indoors and works very well
So I have already 2 dB ES602's, I love them and get many compliments how great they sound, especially for such small units, I love how portable they are and easy to set up, they are limited though due to their size obviously, now for my Dj gigs I'm looking for another set to use for gigs up to 300 people in medium size indoor locations, because of my experience with the 602's I'm now looking at either 2 of the 802's or 2 of the 1002's, I'm not fussed about the extra features of the 503's or 1203's, Portability is a big thing for me, so I want to take 2 sets with me on the road that will do the job for a max 300 people, I don't want to take extra subs or 4 systems with me, I am leaning more towards the 1002's as I'm not sure if the jump up to the 802's from the 602's would be that much of an improvement, also the 802's don't come with protective bags included like the 1002's, once you add the cost of bags on top of the 802's there is very little price difference between the 2 set's, though the 802's look far more portable and less cumbersome that the 1002's.....................so what's your opinion on these options ? Cheers Mike ;-)
I think a pair of 1002's will work great. No frills, the 802s are nice but for 300 peeps or so you will need the 1002's or similar to get the low end coverage you may be looking for. The 802 for that size of crowd when loud will be pushed to the max. I have used a pair of 503's for 200 peeps and a band, but had to augment with a dedicated SUB15H to get the low end we needed.
Depends. The 615 is a true subwoofer, the 1002's LF section is quasi subwoofer/LF driver. 160 Hz is the crossover freq. so it is doing low end all the way up to 160hz . The 615 is a true sub and has a crossover for the tops so you can let the subs do what they need to do....keep in mind it is a 15" sub and 15's are limited to how low and how much output they can produce. for 300 peeps 2 x 615 and 2 x opera 12 can give you more setup options than the ES1002, as you SHOULD NOT RUN THE LF by itself without a top set of speakers plugged into it. that said, the 1002 is more sleek looking and has amazing output for its size.
Hello, I'm a bit torn between RCF 310A and dB ES 602. i sing in an acoustic folk trio in venues for up to 50 pers from time to time. in between gigs I would use them in the house, conected to the TV, so low hiss noise would be a plus. Witch one yould you recomand?
My guess is about 600-700, with the 1000 peak rating split between the highs and lows...typical of the digipro 2 way amps. 500 to lows and 200 +/- to HF
Yes, sure can, only real difference is the ES503 can separate the tops for 2 channel L/R mode. Speakers are the same. ES503 has a bit more power for the 3 channel amp.
Hi, great video and review! Well done! Would you advice 2 x ES802 for a 5 piece? Would the 2 x 12" sub drive the bass drum nicely? Also, I would connect the 2 x ES802 into a Mackie Mixing desk for LIVE gigs. Would this work fine sound wise? Sorry for so many questions but it seems that you really know your stuff and I would trust you entirely. Thank you in advance for your help and advice!! Leo
yes, we have a church with the ES503's installed and has Roland V Drums, Bass on a SansAmp, Yamaha Keys, Acoustic Gtr, Electric Gtr and 4 vocals going through it for 225 peeps and sounds amazing, tons of volume. That system is run from a X32 mixer. the Mackie board will work fine. The ES802 has more power than the ES503 so yes, should do well for up to about 250 peeps.
Here I am again, the rcf 7 dj. I would like to use this for small parties, 50 > 70 pax. Would i not be dissapointed in quality of the Sound being used to my rcf?? Everybody keeps steering me to evox8 but that would be much. I love the Price of these.
Great video! Thank you very much! - I rack my brain about a decision. Maybe you can help me. Which solution would you recommend? Two ES 602 or one ES 503 in stereo mode? We are a duo using electronic drums, stage piano, vocals via TC Voicelive and a synth for bass. We don´t need Bluetooth. I like the fact that two ES602 don´t need additional stands. But the low frequency response seems not as good as the ES 503. We play for about 150 guests. Many greetings from the countryside of France.
The ES602 has been end of lifed, as the sell qty did not meet up is what I figure...A set of the ES503 running each in mono is going to be your best option. Those will do 150 no issues and would say you could do up to 250 with a pair. The output from a single ES503 in stereo or 2 ch mode, i think you would be lacking trying to cover 150 with acceptable levels. Thank you for watching the videos.. ! Glad to help anytime...
Currently running a pair of Evox 5 for a jazz duo (vocal + piano/organ) playing soft music in medium sized venues for up to 350 seated guests or so. However in a few venues where the room is deeper-shaped I find that the Evox 5 doesn't throw far enough, with sound at the back more indistinct and reverb-y. Will the ES503 or ES802 1) give me more SPL to reach 400-450 guests and 2) throw further to reach the guests at the rear? Am also considering between evolve 50 and ES802, with the ES802 being more affordable. At this point I'm trying to avoid adding more speakers to the setup.
Iansoh - the ES802 will come closed for doing what you are asking. more power going to the tops and both tops of an ES 802 will give you more vertical coverage than a EVOX 5. The best to get at the rear is extend the tops as high as possible on the LF floor units. Don't waste your $$$ on the Evolve 50, it does ok close in, but away from the unit it drops off quicker than a comparable ES802 system. A pair of ES802 will do 300 at decent levels no issues with a full on band...but for what you are doing, they should provide good coverage and sound.
Can you do another video with comparing this unit with the RCF Evox 8? I am interested in both units for my dj setup, but I just don’t know which one to go with and there are no reps or dealers for dB Technologies around me (Seattle, WA)... in your opinion: What unit has better bass response and overall ‘fullness’ of sound? Thanks for the awesome videos and love when you do demos of the speakers.
The EVOX8 and ES802 are very similar in sound and output. The main difference is the construction of the cabinets. dB is plastic tops and wood bottom, RCF is wood and wood. The RCF packs up nicer IMO, but the ES802 has additional features the EVOX does not. We have cycled the EVOX8, ES503 as in this video and the FBT CS1000 through a local small church for evaluations and all 3 systems have performed very well for live and playback. Keep in mind that the low frequency driver is not SUBWOOFER , it is a LF driver with some extended low end. We have sold all 3 to DJ and they do a great job up to a certain point where they run out of output for larger events. Nice thing is , you can always add a dedicated subwoofer to the system to get the dedicated low end for dance, etc in larger events. Either of them will be good for up to / around 200-250 peeps and produce good sound and decent low end, but all of them IMO lack what a dedicated subwoofer can do for you/event/venue. They do offer a very full sound, but asking a 12" driver to do decent low end duty at higher volumes will push any of these systems to limiting, not quickly but you will see the limit light on the rear come on when too much is being required of the low end. High end from the tops, no issues. Hope that helps...message back with any questions.
Thanks for getting back to me. Most of my work is smaller event (150 or less) and I am just wanting to move away from my mackie 450’s they are showing there age and I like the column arrays systems for the design and sleekness.
Very interesting review, thanks for sharing. Do you think one ES503 could be enough and adequate for small Dj partys ( for 50 - 70 people). I´m between this or 2 Yamaha DBR10 plus sub.. Greetings from Spain.
Finally I got it, good bass and delicious mid & highs. I agree with this review, the dynamic range of this set is amazing! Also surprisingly loud. Very happy with this purchase. Do you know what type of speakon cable is suitable for the top 2 or 4 pins ?? Thanks
Great videos ! What can you say about sound quality? I'm looking for a system for band rehearsals at home , 5 piece band, bass, keys, guitar, vocals and v drums . Would you recommend ?
+Marcosmatamoros10 Evox 8, db tech ES503 or EVOX 12 if you can swing it... we have a church using EVOX 5 for same type of band setup and works great...and they are covering 200+ peeps
Hello Trinity Man! I'm playing in a jazz trio always acoustic, only bass amp and piano amp, sometimes sax acoustic the drums as well, lately we play in small 50 to 80 people gigs, in close enviroments and open spaces, my question is THIS: in the open spaces we find hard to reach acoustically the audience sit at the bottom end so "only with one" ES503 you think is possible to expand our sound? I'm talking about all instruments playing soft and drums very nuanced with only one mic at bassdrum and an over, we can't afford two units of any options (we play jazz) and this unit its in a near store in good price should I get it?? Also love the stereo feature to listen music at home, would you believe this stereo sound will work live?? or should I wait to save for a RCF evox jmix8 made of plastic for about 2 years jejeje Thank you in advance, nice work revealing the secrets of the highsound enclousures.
A single ES503 will get you by..2 would be better. but i have used the ES503 for lower level background music and it will provide a good full sound for 50-80 with no issues. The optional stands and separating the speakers will give a better fill in stereo mode IMO. The JMIX or others in this class sound very similar for EQ and output/tonality.
You mentioned that the 802 is a more powerful set and better suited for a larger number of peeps. However, if you had to chose between 2 x 802 and 2 x 503 for a mobile dj setup would you rather have the more power of the 802s or the dsp of the 503s? I'm asking for parties like weddings and such of no more than 150 peeps. Also, a good friend of mine is a sound engineer, that's why I asked about the dsp since he can set it up for me.
The 503 and 802 have the same amp and DSP, just a bit more power, since the 802 is not a stereo or dual channel system. I would certainly go with 2 of the 802 for the added power vs. a split of the ES503's.
I was asking because on the db technologies website, the 802 seems to not have the oled display for the dsp as seen here www.dbtechnologies.com/en/products/es/es-802-p2670.aspx
You are correct, they do the DSP a bit different with the rotary encoder. They did take away the integrated mixer like in the 503, but does not degrade sound or output at all. Just not as many inputs, thus the removal of the DSP. The new www.dbtechnologies.com/en/products/es/es1203-p3817.aspx ES 1203 with dual 12" bass LF drivers does have the OLED DSP built in.
i was looking to get 2 of this but having second thoughts for Ld system dave 18 im using them for big mobile dj event. :( any honest tips? thanks db looks very modern though..
curious if you would recommend ES503 over the Evox J8 in a sequenced/sampled small dance group . .similar to DJ but live vocals, guitar and keyboard with mostly sampled/sequenced drums/bass. Interested in a pair. Thank you. love the channel.
Phil....they are about the same in output and response, the EVOX has the ability to store the top box in the back , where the ES503 does not. Evox has a nice cover option, ES503 is OK, but output wise, don't think you will notice a difference. The ES503 is a dual channel unit and also look at the ES802 single channel unit. My only gripe is the coupling technique used for connecting the two ES top boxes together ... if they get dropped the coupling legs will break..learned that a few days ago....
yes we do, anywhere in the continental USA and we also work with freight forwarding companies for international sales from time to time. in the US Alaska and Hawaii are freight challenges
They will be close, the 602 with the small LF driver will do a good job. The tops will be equal for sure. You will have better results with a "Pair" of 602 vs. 1 503 or 802 and can always add a subwoofer 12" or 15" as needed.
The DB Tech SUB612 or SUB615 would be a nice addition to the 10" 602's , the 602's do ok for low to mid level playback but for DJ or band they need a bit more low end umph!
I loved his video and decided to subscribe to your channel!!! ...I own a couple of ES602 and are spectacular... with my band we are planning to start a tour in squares with about 300 persons... I have the opportunity to buy from a friend 1 more couple of ES602... do you think 4 x ES602 can work good to amplify a rock band (4 musicians) in external areas? ...or better to go for 2 x ES802?
4 of the 602 will do well for around 300 persons, but you will have a bit better low end with the ES802's 12" driver for LF. I would set the 602's side by side so low end couples then aim 2 of the tops straight out and angle the other 2 at a 45 degree angle, maybe a bit more...
hello, your videos are great! i need a advice, here in Argentina i can buy ES602 or ES802. im mobile DJ i play reggeaton and latin music, i own DB tech 18d and 15d subs, paired with opera 15 and qsc k10, but im looking for a setup for small weddings or birthday partys, less 70/80 guests. maybe i can use my QSC k10 tops too if event is bigger. question is... 1 unit ES802 (around 1500u$s) or two ES602 ( U$S2000 both).- Thanks!!!
I would go for the (2) of the ES602, your sound will be more uniformed with 2 units instead of 1 trying to cover .... and your guests will like it better too. It is always difficult to get good coverage with one unit IMO unless for small coffee shops, etc. with acoustic performers, etc. 2 of the 10" woofers will do a nice job in the ES602
Hi trinityprosound, I like your video and I got a lot of information. Thank you very good! I want to buy two of the 503. There is one question I have and I hope you can help me. I can use two 503 as a master slave system or I use it as two mono systems (one left, one right). What is the difference? I can‘t find anything for the second possibility in the manual or is this not possible? Thanks in advance, Thomas
Yes you can set the 503 up in mono out mode for the speakers, there is a socket on the back to do that and sends power to both top boxes, the 503 is a great system and have used a pair of them for live band for 200 peeps with on per side. Run them mono and send you Left /Right to them , if you need more low end, we have used a SUB15H with them with good results.
yes you will have better low end response for the es802's , the Promax is great speaker, but you would need a sub to go with them to produce the low end a pair of the es802's can do.
thanks for quick answer! but promaxx12a has 900 watt each, es802 has 500.. do you think 802 can do the same gain or less? I play often with about 100 guest in front of me (insine and outside dancefloor). thanks so much!!
The 802 has 600W RMS power, but they have nearly same SPL level output , so yes , i think it would work very well and better than 2 Promaxx on stands...
I beg to disagree that this is in between RCF Evox 8 and 12 in terms of output. Evox 8 has a 128 db max and 1,400 watts amp while this unit is only 121 db max and 1,000 watts peak amp.
1400 peak as well, 700 watts RMS severely limited to HF box on top and split between drivers. Read the specs on RCF and DB, only 200 watts difference in the amps, as they use very similar technologies on their amps. SPL is relative, we don't know what frequency the max was taken at for either of the systems. One could be at 20K and the other at 1000Hz who knows? Listening to both system puts them neck and neck on output and clarity. Do a side by side, you wont be able to tell the difference in output.
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+cuate rivera YES we have been dealers for a long time...they are up a newer company here in the states that is starting to get the recognition they deserve, many great products.
+Leonidas Limnios No only comes powered and part of the total system, so you can not even buy separate. They do have a S08 sub 12" and also a SUB12D you can look at, but all powered.
hello and congratulations for your videos, just a question, what do you recommend the system is ES503 or system ES 802?,unless the 602 does the work too (I'm talking for a pair buy) I'm already dj and I want to reserve power without too much abuse either, thank you for the urgent answer thank you I have to buy one :-) ...
ES1203 is the winner for the loudest and price point. Next in line is the ES802 for mono or single channel applications where you are running a left / right system. Then the ES503 which is a 3 channel unit. They all do very well , but the LF driver is trying to do both sub and LF driver output so there is a bit of a compromise on the low end. You can always add a subwoofer for more low end output. A pair of ES802 can do a really great job for 300 peeps. The ES602 is discontinued now.
+njflipsqd we are not huge fans of Turbosound....as they have copied RCF and FBT, along with the ES systems from db Tech. Looking at the specs, it is going to be limited in output as it might be 500w max RMS but it does not state what type of amp and power it is....but thanks for watching our other videos !
Can you please suggest which is better for small conference and get together party RCF Evox 8, dB ES503, dB ES802 or FBT CS1000. I am confused which one to go for
It depends on budget and needs, but the ES503 or ES802's will work great, and the price point they are at compared to others will get you into two for what possibly one of the others costs....The ES802's , a pair will do amazing things and sounds great and has sufficient low end to be heard very well.
Thank you so much for your suggestion. Budget is not a problem I just need the Best pair of speakers for my show and i am looking for compact and portability. After doing a lot of research i am confused between FBT CS1000 and dB ES802.
The CS1000 is easier to pack and go vs. ES802. One notable thing is the CS1000 you can stack two per side and they have settings to do so for your larger events if you ever need to go bigger...construction of the CS1000 is better IMO. Hope that helps in your decision.
The LF driver goes from effectively from around 70hz to 206hz, it is a LF driver and not a subwoofer, even though it does go low, a dedicated sub would be recommended if you need more SUB LF output.
Which db column is loudest or best price per loudness. As in some are dearer but u dont get much extra volume or fullness. What do u think of es802 model 600 rms or 1200 peak is it louder than this how many people wud 802 do
ES1203 is the winner for the loudest and price point. Next in line is the ES802 for mono or single channel applications where you are running a left / right system. Then the ES503 which is a 3 channel unit. They all do very well , but the LF driver is trying to do both sub and LF driver output so there is a bit of a compromise on the low end. You can always add a subwoofer for more low end output. A pair of ES802 can do a really great job for 300 peeps.
@@trinityprosound so on 802 on its own not as good. I had turbosound ip2000 did u compare that with any of the db 802 etc. I found it good but if people near it the would block the middle part of the speakers and I'd here more bass less top clarity. Whereas theses have just a pole between and get up over peoples heads if needed
We tried and demo a iP2000 and found the same with all the drivers up and down that column, same with the 3000. the 802 does much better and with the top boxes having all the drivers where you can get over the crowds heads, does much better than turbosound units. 802 will do a lot better than iP2000
the ES1002 is fantastic, the low end from it will blow you away compared to others, even the iP3000, ES1002 and ES1203 is almost like getting a subwoofer in the package.
Hello, Thank you for this video. It is complicated to make a choice !!! My goal is to animate evenings (50/100 people Max) and other indoor / outdoor events ..... I need the Blutooth. Between SYA 15 and ES503..Or other things ? Is there a big difference? In terms of quality of materials, sound power and punch in the bass? Because in terms of price, necessarily the SYA is 2X cheaper than the ES503 .... So 2XSYA 15 or 1X503 or 1/2XES802 (Not Blutooth ?) or 2XES602 (Not Blutooth ?) other choices ? thank you for the answer
You will get a bit more low end from the ES503, but you will need a pair of them, also look at the ES802's they are a mono box, vs. "stereo" box of the ES503. Overall we have used ES503 for 200 peeps and works well and that was a live band. If you find you need more low end , add a dedicated subwoofer to the system. With the SYA you are going to need subs for low end duty. The ES boxes are low frequency drivers and a quasi sub configuration, but not a true subwoofer per se. We still have a pair of the ES503 we use and still going strong. If you do need blue tooth, get a good blue tooth receiver. Alto PRO makes some that plug in to speakers with XLR connections and can be paired to Stereo signal.
@@trinityprosound thank you for your comeback. Finally, I had the chance to come across 2X almost new RCF 715 Mk2 speakers + the RCF cover + the feet ... at half price. I bought a small mixer T-Mix 201 for the blutooth and power I hope I have not made a mistake !!!!
The 715s are great speakers...not familiar with the T-Mix here in the US. Just be carful to not red line them with the limiters coming on, you will need a subwoofer for low end for DJ work.
We have used these in events with 200 people and have run a full band through them, and the output could have really going much higher... not sure where you are getting your info, have you ever used a pair of them? and if so what was the application and were you really needing a bigger system? we find many people that purchase these types of systems dont understand the limits of a 12" driver LF box that is trying to cover low end and kind of sub woofer duty. these are not subwoofers at all, and that is where the confusion lies with many buyers.
trinityprosound what’s the difference?......I just bought a HK nano lucas 608i with intention to use it with a small jazz band! I bought this unit because it’s not heavy and I already have a nano 302. I haven’t even tried it on stage yet because I just got it two days ago.
One of the most comprehensive and informative reviews of any gear, ever! I salute you, sir! :)
Another great video/review John. Thanks for sharing all the new RCF/DB-technology products. Your videos are so informative & really get into the heart & soul of each box you review. By far my favorite You-tube Ch !!! Thanks again..
Man I love this channel. I watch every video that comes out . Great reviews, great products. Keep it up !
thanks for making videos, about the internals of pa speakers and systems
Hi, thank you for this review, great job! You said the turbosound ip2000 are limited, this db es503 are not limited?
The ES503 does incorporate limiters on the inputs/outputs to protect the system, it will go into hard limiting if over driven
Thanks so so much for the video. I have a question, I am thinking of buying ES503, for the celebration of my upcoming wedding. Am not a DJ, and it is so much expensive to get a DJ over here in Germany. Can we use the ES503 or ES602 for 75 persons in a restaurant? My second question is, can the ES602 or ES503 be connected with a Laptop and play with it? My last question is, which of the ES602 or Es503 will you recommend base on my situation?
Thanks so much once more
Yes , the ES503 in stereo mode would work well for PA and music or dancing... not quite DJ with one , but it will get the job done...you can connect the ES series with ¼" or XLR to 3.5mm mini plug and off you go... no need for a separate mixer ... low end will be acceptable , not quite full on DJ but will work..2 will be better.
@@trinityprosound Thanks so much. Greatly appreciate your expertise
Great Vid thank you. (dB Tech marketing take note, nothing comparable on TH-cam to how helpful this video is especially on dB's own channel)
Question : Could I pair an ES802 with an ES503, the 503 (Left) would send the 802 the Right hand signal, this is for 2 reasons,
1) I can take advantage of the 503's Bluetooth and therefore have a stereo bluetooth signal in both subs, processed and split in the 503.
2) reduces the cost, the 802 has slightly more power but I can just reduce the 802's output surely, it also costs less than the 503 ?
We're a wedding band and so the Bluetooth is really handy as it would save the clients paying for a DJ.
Thanks in advance
The BT output on the ES503 is going to be mono only and you can not tell it Left or Right on the output, it is summed. So, yes you can, but will be mono only and not stereo. American DJ and Denon and Marantz make nice BT receivers that are not too costly that would be a better option. The BT on the ES503 is good reliably to about 20 feet. I would be uncomfortable going any further.
Thanks a mill for the prompt and detailed reply and insight, I will check them out. Subbed and liked, fantastically informative videos and knowledge, Thank You !
Hi,
Could you do a review from the ES802? I love you video's!
Greetings from Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
We would have to bring one in, but it is not much different than the ES503, more power and only mono output... drivers are all the same in the boxes, just a bit more SPL output, but same sonic sound as the ES503
Ok! thank you. Is it also possible to link 2 ES802 to each other from one sounddeck?
Yes, just daisy chain signal in / out with XLR cables .... you will not want to run them side by side as causes comb fiter issues, but separate into left/right config and run mono or 2 channel L/R
Hello guys, i write from Argentina, great videos! I would like to know how this speaker system works with a live rock band, does it have enough power? thanks!!!
+Venus It would for a smaller setting. Used for a 5 piece band, Roland V Drums, Bass direct, Guitars , Keys and Vocals, good for around 300 indoors and works very well
So I have already 2 dB ES602's, I love them and get many compliments how great they sound, especially for such small units, I love how portable they are and easy to set up, they are limited though due to their size obviously, now for my Dj gigs I'm looking for another set to use for gigs up to 300 people in medium size indoor locations, because of my experience with the 602's I'm now looking at either 2 of the 802's or 2 of the 1002's, I'm not fussed about the extra features of the 503's or 1203's,
Portability is a big thing for me, so I want to take 2 sets with me on the road that will do the job for a max 300 people, I don't want to take extra subs or 4 systems with me, I am leaning more towards the 1002's as I'm not sure if the jump up to the 802's from the 602's would be that much of an improvement, also the 802's don't come with protective bags included like the 1002's, once you add the cost of bags on top of the 802's there is very little price difference between the 2 set's, though the 802's look far more portable and less cumbersome that the 1002's.....................so what's your opinion on these options ?
Cheers Mike ;-)
I think a pair of 1002's will work great. No frills, the 802s are nice but for 300 peeps or so you will need the 1002's or similar to get the low end coverage you may be looking for. The 802 for that size of crowd when loud will be pushed to the max. I have used a pair of 503's for 200 peeps and a band, but had to augment with a dedicated SUB15H to get the low end we needed.
@@trinityprosound thanks for your help ;-)
@@trinityprosound what's your views on 2 x db615 subs and 2 x 12" opera tops compared to 2 of the 1002's ?
which set do you think would best suit my needs just based on all round performance ?
Depends. The 615 is a true subwoofer, the 1002's LF section is quasi subwoofer/LF driver. 160 Hz is the crossover freq. so it is doing low end all the way up to 160hz . The 615 is a true sub and has a crossover for the tops so you can let the subs do what they need to do....keep in mind it is a 15" sub and 15's are limited to how low and how much output they can produce. for 300 peeps 2 x 615 and 2 x opera 12 can give you more setup options than the ES1002, as you SHOULD NOT RUN THE LF by itself without a top set of speakers plugged into it. that said, the 1002 is more sleek looking and has amazing output for its size.
Hello, I'm a bit torn between RCF 310A and dB ES 602. i sing in an acoustic folk trio in venues for up to 50 pers from time to time. in between gigs I would use them in the house, conected to the TV, so low hiss noise would be a plus. Witch one yould you recomand?
Got with the ES system. It will give great low end and fullness that a pair of 310's can not....you will be amazed if you do a pair of them...
Just wondering what the rms is on the 503? Great video.Wish ya'll would have shot a outside video.
My guess is about 600-700, with the 1000 peak rating split between the highs and lows...typical of the digipro 2 way amps. 500 to lows and 200 +/- to HF
Thank you very much.one last question.I sing gospel music and it doesn't have to shake the ground.Is the db enough for up to three hundred people,?
yes, but I would go with a pair of the 802s . we have a local church with a pair of 503's that can do 200+ with no issues.
Great video, thanks! Do you think it is possible to use a pair of ES503 + ES802? Will this lose to the pair 802 + 802 ? Thanks for your reply!
Yes, sure can, only real difference is the ES503 can separate the tops for 2 channel L/R mode. Speakers are the same. ES503 has a bit more power for the 3 channel amp.
Hi, great video and review! Well done! Would you advice 2 x ES802 for a 5 piece? Would the 2 x 12" sub drive the bass drum nicely? Also, I would connect the 2 x ES802 into a Mackie Mixing desk for LIVE gigs. Would this work fine sound wise? Sorry for so many questions but it seems that you really know your stuff and I would trust you entirely. Thank you in advance for your help and advice!! Leo
yes, we have a church with the ES503's installed and has Roland V Drums, Bass on a SansAmp, Yamaha Keys, Acoustic Gtr, Electric Gtr and 4 vocals going through it for 225 peeps and sounds amazing, tons of volume. That system is run from a X32 mixer. the Mackie board will work fine. The ES802 has more power than the ES503 so yes, should do well for up to about 250 peeps.
Thank you very much for your reply and advice. Much appreciated!
Here I am again, the rcf 7 dj. I would like to use this for small parties, 50 > 70 pax. Would i not be dissapointed in quality of the Sound being used to my rcf?? Everybody keeps steering me to evox8 but that would be much. I love the Price of these.
these are close in sound to the EVOX 8's - either one for that size of event will work well...you will be amazed.
Great video! Thank you very much! - I rack my brain about a decision. Maybe you can help me. Which solution would you recommend? Two ES 602 or one ES 503 in stereo mode? We are a duo using electronic drums, stage piano, vocals via TC Voicelive and a synth for bass. We don´t need Bluetooth. I like the fact that two ES602 don´t need additional stands. But the low frequency response seems not as good as the ES 503. We play for about 150 guests. Many greetings from the countryside of France.
The ES602 has been end of lifed, as the sell qty did not meet up is what I figure...A set of the ES503 running each in mono is going to be your best option. Those will do 150 no issues and would say you could do up to 250 with a pair. The output from a single ES503 in stereo or 2 ch mode, i think you would be lacking trying to cover 150 with acceptable levels. Thank you for watching the videos.. ! Glad to help anytime...
Thank you for your quick answer!! Your competent advice really helps me to make a good decision. Bye for now...!
Currently running a pair of Evox 5 for a jazz duo (vocal + piano/organ) playing soft music in medium sized venues for up to 350 seated guests or so. However in a few venues where the room is deeper-shaped I find that the Evox 5 doesn't throw far enough, with sound at the back more indistinct and reverb-y. Will the ES503 or ES802
1) give me more SPL to reach 400-450 guests and
2) throw further to reach the guests at the rear?
Am also considering between evolve 50 and ES802, with the ES802 being more affordable. At this point I'm trying to avoid adding more speakers to the setup.
Iansoh - the ES802 will come closed for doing what you are asking. more power going to the tops and both tops of an ES 802 will give you more vertical coverage than a EVOX 5. The best to get at the rear is extend the tops as high as possible on the LF floor units. Don't waste your $$$ on the Evolve 50, it does ok close in, but away from the unit it drops off quicker than a comparable ES802 system. A pair of ES802 will do 300 at decent levels no issues with a full on band...but for what you are doing, they should provide good coverage and sound.
Can you do another video with comparing this unit with the RCF Evox 8? I am interested in both units for my dj setup, but I just don’t know which one to go with and there are no reps or dealers for dB Technologies around me (Seattle, WA)... in your opinion: What unit has better bass response and overall ‘fullness’ of sound? Thanks for the awesome videos and love when you do demos of the speakers.
The EVOX8 and ES802 are very similar in sound and output. The main difference is the construction of the cabinets. dB is plastic tops and wood bottom, RCF is wood and wood. The RCF packs up nicer IMO, but the ES802 has additional features the EVOX does not. We have cycled the EVOX8, ES503 as in this video and the FBT CS1000 through a local small church for evaluations and all 3 systems have performed very well for live and playback. Keep in mind that the low frequency driver is not SUBWOOFER , it is a LF driver with some extended low end. We have sold all 3 to DJ and they do a great job up to a certain point where they run out of output for larger events. Nice thing is , you can always add a dedicated subwoofer to the system to get the dedicated low end for dance, etc in larger events. Either of them will be good for up to / around 200-250 peeps and produce good sound and decent low end, but all of them IMO lack what a dedicated subwoofer can do for you/event/venue. They do offer a very full sound, but asking a 12" driver to do decent low end duty at higher volumes will push any of these systems to limiting, not quickly but you will see the limit light on the rear come on when too much is being required of the low end. High end from the tops, no issues. Hope that helps...message back with any questions.
Thanks for getting back to me. Most of my work is smaller event (150 or less) and I am just wanting to move away from my mackie 450’s they are showing there age and I like the column arrays systems for the design and sleekness.
I think in that size you would be pleased with EVOX 8 or ES802's, they do sound very good
Very interesting review, thanks for sharing. Do you think one ES503 could be enough and adequate for small Dj partys ( for 50 - 70 people). I´m between this or 2 Yamaha DBR10 plus sub..
Greetings from Spain.
+CPC1 k YES if set up as stereo for event - enough for dance and decent volume - thanks for watching the videos
Finally I got it, good bass and delicious mid & highs. I agree with this review, the dynamic range of this set is amazing! Also surprisingly loud.
Very happy with this purchase.
Do you know what type of speakon cable is suitable for the top 2 or 4 pins ?? Thanks
most likely an NL4 but using only 2 pins , i would have to take a connector apart and see if NL2 or NL4
Great videos ! What can you say about sound quality? I'm looking for a system for band rehearsals at home , 5 piece band, bass, keys, guitar, vocals and v drums . Would you recommend ?
+Marcosmatamoros10 Evox 8, db tech ES503 or EVOX 12 if you can swing it... we have a church using EVOX 5 for same type of band setup and works great...and they are covering 200+ peeps
+trinityprosound how would these compare to let's say 2 Qsc k8 and a sub.?
no, much better , qsc won't sound near as good
Hello Trinity Man! I'm playing in a jazz trio always acoustic, only bass amp and piano amp, sometimes sax acoustic the drums as well, lately we play in small 50 to 80 people gigs, in close enviroments and open spaces, my question is THIS: in the open spaces we find hard to reach acoustically the audience sit at the bottom end so "only with one" ES503 you think is possible to expand our sound? I'm talking about all instruments playing soft and drums very nuanced with only one mic at bassdrum and an over, we can't afford two units of any options (we play jazz) and this unit its in a near store in good price should I get it?? Also love the stereo feature to listen music at home, would you believe this stereo sound will work live?? or should I wait to save for a RCF evox jmix8 made of plastic for about 2 years jejeje Thank you in advance, nice work revealing the secrets of the highsound enclousures.
A single ES503 will get you by..2 would be better. but i have used the ES503 for lower level background music and it will provide a good full sound for 50-80 with no issues. The optional stands and separating the speakers will give a better fill in stereo mode IMO. The JMIX or others in this class sound very similar for EQ and output/tonality.
@@trinityprosound THANK YOU! Now i'm totally sure to run for the DB ES503!
You mentioned that the 802 is a more powerful set and better suited for a larger number of peeps. However, if you had to chose between 2 x 802 and 2 x 503 for a mobile dj setup would you rather have the more power of the 802s or the dsp of the 503s? I'm asking for parties like weddings and such of no more than 150 peeps. Also, a good friend of mine is a sound engineer, that's why I asked about the dsp since he can set it up for me.
The 503 and 802 have the same amp and DSP, just a bit more power, since the 802 is not a stereo or dual channel system. I would certainly go with 2 of the 802 for the added power vs. a split of the ES503's.
I was asking because on the db technologies website, the 802 seems to not have the oled display for the dsp as seen here www.dbtechnologies.com/en/products/es/es-802-p2670.aspx
You are correct, they do the DSP a bit different with the rotary encoder. They did take away the integrated mixer like in the 503, but does not degrade sound or output at all. Just not as many inputs, thus the removal of the DSP. The new www.dbtechnologies.com/en/products/es/es1203-p3817.aspx ES 1203 with dual 12" bass LF drivers does have the OLED DSP built in.
trinityprosound
1000 watts peak , and RMS ?
i was looking to get 2 of this but having second thoughts for Ld system dave 18 im using them for big mobile dj event. :( any honest tips? thanks db looks very modern though..
Look at another manufacturer we also sell and use , look at the RCF EVOX 12 system...
curious if you would recommend ES503 over the Evox J8 in a sequenced/sampled small dance group . .similar to DJ but live vocals, guitar and keyboard with mostly sampled/sequenced drums/bass. Interested in a pair. Thank you. love the channel.
Phil....they are about the same in output and response, the EVOX has the ability to store the top box in the back , where the ES503 does not. Evox has a nice cover option, ES503 is OK, but output wise, don't think you will notice a difference. The ES503 is a dual channel unit and also look at the ES802 single channel unit. My only gripe is the coupling technique used for connecting the two ES top boxes together ... if they get dropped the coupling legs will break..learned that a few days ago....
thank you for the reply . . do you ship :-)
yes we do, anywhere in the continental USA and we also work with freight forwarding companies for international sales from time to time. in the US Alaska and Hawaii are freight challenges
How do a dual set of ES602's compare vs. a single ES503/ES802? TIA
They will be close, the 602 with the small LF driver will do a good job. The tops will be equal for sure. You will have better results with a "Pair" of 602 vs. 1 503 or 802 and can always add a subwoofer 12" or 15" as needed.
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Thank you for your response!
Which subwoofer would be a good compagnon to add to a pair of ES602's? TIA
The DB Tech SUB612 or SUB615 would be a nice addition to the 10" 602's , the 602's do ok for low to mid level playback but for DJ or band they need a bit more low end umph!
I loved his video and decided to subscribe to your channel!!! ...I own a couple of ES602 and are spectacular... with my band we are planning to start a tour in squares with about 300 persons... I have the opportunity to buy from a friend 1 more couple of ES602... do you think 4 x ES602 can work good to amplify a rock band (4 musicians) in external areas? ...or better to go for 2 x ES802?
4 of the 602 will do well for around 300 persons, but you will have a bit better low end with the ES802's 12" driver for LF. I would set the 602's side by side so low end couples then aim 2 of the tops straight out and angle the other 2 at a 45 degree angle, maybe a bit more...
Also , thank you for watching the videos ! much appreciated
hello, your videos are great! i need a advice, here in Argentina i can buy ES602 or ES802. im mobile DJ i play reggeaton and latin music, i own DB tech 18d and 15d subs, paired with opera 15 and qsc k10, but im looking for a setup for small weddings or birthday partys, less 70/80 guests. maybe i can use my QSC k10 tops too if event is bigger. question is... 1 unit ES802 (around 1500u$s) or two ES602 ( U$S2000 both).- Thanks!!!
I would go for the (2) of the ES602, your sound will be more uniformed with 2 units instead of 1 trying to cover .... and your guests will like it better too. It is always difficult to get good coverage with one unit IMO unless for small coffee shops, etc. with acoustic performers, etc. 2 of the 10" woofers will do a nice job in the ES602
will do, many thanks for your answer.
Which is better db es 503 or rcf evox8?tia
Hi trinityprosound,
I like your video and I got a lot of information. Thank you very good! I want to buy two of the 503. There is one question I have and I hope you can help me. I can use two 503 as a master slave system or I use it as two mono systems (one left, one right). What is the difference? I can‘t find anything for the second possibility in the manual or is this not possible? Thanks in advance, Thomas
Yes you can set the 503 up in mono out mode for the speakers, there is a socket on the back to do that and sends power to both top boxes, the 503 is a great system and have used a pair of them for live band for 200 peeps with on per side. Run them mono and send you Left /Right to them , if you need more low end, we have used a SUB15H with them with good results.
Thank you! Where do you connect the 15 Sub and is your 15H Sub an active Sub?
into the sub, then out to your ES503 using the built in crossover of the subwoofer
hi dear thanks for this reviw! do you think wich 2 db es802 I can do more power than 2 fbt promax12a? thanks!
yes you will have better low end response for the es802's , the Promax is great speaker, but you would need a sub to go with them to produce the low end a pair of the es802's can do.
thanks for quick answer! but promaxx12a has 900 watt each, es802 has 500.. do you think 802 can do the same gain or less? I play often with about 100 guest in front of me (insine and outside dancefloor). thanks so much!!
The 802 has 600W RMS power, but they have nearly same SPL level output , so yes , i think it would work very well and better than 2 Promaxx on stands...
I beg to disagree that this is in between RCF Evox 8 and 12 in terms of output. Evox 8 has a 128 db max and 1,400 watts amp while this unit is only 121 db max and 1,000 watts peak amp.
1400 peak as well, 700 watts RMS severely limited to HF box on top and split between drivers. Read the specs on RCF and DB, only 200 watts difference in the amps, as they use very similar technologies on their amps. SPL is relative, we don't know what frequency the max was taken at for either of the systems. One could be at 20K and the other at 1000Hz who knows? Listening to both system puts them neck and neck on output and clarity. Do a side by side, you wont be able to tell the difference in output.
How good is the throw and coverage on this system??
good. you could do 200-250 peeps with a pair of these
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is dbtechnologies sold here in the states? ive never heard of them
+cuate rivera YES we have been dealers for a long time...they are up a newer company here in the states that is starting to get the recognition they deserve, many great products.
can i get the subwoofer in passive mode only?
+Leonidas Limnios No only comes powered and part of the total system, so you can not even buy separate. They do have a S08 sub 12" and also a SUB12D you can look at, but all powered.
hello and congratulations for your videos, just a question, what do you recommend the system is ES503 or system ES 802?,unless the 602 does the work too (I'm talking for a pair buy) I'm already dj and I want to reserve power without too much abuse either, thank you for the urgent answer thank you I have to buy one :-) ...
ES1203 is the winner for the loudest and price point. Next in line is the ES802 for mono or single channel applications where you are running a left / right system. Then the ES503 which is a 3 channel unit. They all do very well , but the LF driver is trying to do both sub and LF driver output so there is a bit of a compromise on the low end. You can always add a subwoofer for more low end output. A pair of ES802 can do a really great job for 300 peeps. The ES602 is discontinued now.
@@trinityprosound Oops I bought the es 503 is still good as a system compared to es 802?
yes, just a 3 channel and not 2 channel box, but almost identical in output and response.
@@trinityprosound thanks for the answer but I buy a pair of Es 503 it will do a good job of power?
yes, i think you will be surprised at the output of the ES503s
hi can you do a review on Turbosound iNSPIRE iP2000
thanks
+njflipsqd we are not huge fans of Turbosound....as they have copied RCF and FBT, along with the ES systems from db Tech. Looking at the specs, it is going to be limited in output as it might be 500w max RMS but it does not state what type of amp and power it is....but thanks for watching our other videos !
Can you please suggest which is better for small conference and get together party RCF Evox 8, dB ES503, dB ES802 or FBT CS1000. I am confused which one to go for
It depends on budget and needs, but the ES503 or ES802's will work great, and the price point they are at compared to others will get you into two for what possibly one of the others costs....The ES802's , a pair will do amazing things and sounds great and has sufficient low end to be heard very well.
Thank you so much for your suggestion. Budget is not a problem I just need the Best pair of speakers for my show and i am looking for compact and portability. After doing a lot of research i am confused between FBT CS1000 and dB ES802.
The CS1000 is easier to pack and go vs. ES802. One notable thing is the CS1000 you can stack two per side and they have settings to do so for your larger events if you ever need to go bigger...construction of the CS1000 is better IMO. Hope that helps in your decision.
Thank you. This helps alot
what's the frequency response of the subwoofer
The LF driver goes from effectively from around 70hz to 206hz, it is a LF driver and not a subwoofer, even though it does go low, a dedicated sub would be recommended if you need more SUB LF output.
Which db column is loudest or best price per loudness. As in some are dearer but u dont get much extra volume or fullness. What do u think of es802 model 600 rms or 1200 peak is it louder than this how many people wud 802 do
ES1203 is the winner for the loudest and price point. Next in line is the ES802 for mono or single channel applications where you are running a left / right system. Then the ES503 which is a 3 channel unit. They all do very well , but the LF driver is trying to do both sub and LF driver output so there is a bit of a compromise on the low end. You can always add a subwoofer for more low end output. A pair of ES802 can do a really great job for 300 peeps.
@@trinityprosound so on 802 on its own not as good. I had turbosound ip2000 did u compare that with any of the db 802 etc. I found it good but if people near it the would block the middle part of the speakers and I'd here more bass less top clarity. Whereas theses have just a pole between and get up over peoples heads if needed
@@trinityprosound what do u think of 1002 it has dual 12 sub i think€1300 here in Ireland
We tried and demo a iP2000 and found the same with all the drivers up and down that column, same with the 3000. the 802 does much better and with the top boxes having all the drivers where you can get over the crowds heads, does much better than turbosound units. 802 will do a lot better than iP2000
the ES1002 is fantastic, the low end from it will blow you away compared to others, even the iP3000, ES1002 and ES1203 is almost like getting a subwoofer in the package.
hi. can i connect extra sub on this?
yes you can from the output on the back.
1000 watts peak and RMS ?
Look like 1000w peak and 500WRMS in the specs
Sound test?
We have done in other videos on this one....does quite well for size and output.I think the video was posted to facebook page
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Hello,
Thank you for this video.
It is complicated to make a choice !!!
My goal is to animate evenings (50/100 people Max) and other indoor / outdoor events .....
I need the Blutooth.
Between SYA 15 and ES503..Or other things ?
Is there a big difference?
In terms of quality of materials, sound power and punch in the bass?
Because in terms of price, necessarily the SYA is 2X cheaper than the ES503 ....
So 2XSYA 15 or 1X503 or 1/2XES802 (Not Blutooth ?) or 2XES602 (Not Blutooth ?) other choices ?
thank you for the answer
You will get a bit more low end from the ES503, but you will need a pair of them, also look at the ES802's they are a mono box, vs. "stereo" box of the ES503. Overall we have used ES503 for 200 peeps and works well and that was a live band. If you find you need more low end , add a dedicated subwoofer to the system. With the SYA you are going to need subs for low end duty. The ES boxes are low frequency drivers and a quasi sub configuration, but not a true subwoofer per se. We still have a pair of the ES503 we use and still going strong. If you do need blue tooth, get a good blue tooth receiver. Alto PRO makes some that plug in to speakers with XLR connections and can be paired to Stereo signal.
@@trinityprosound thank you for your comeback. Finally, I had the chance to come across 2X almost new RCF 715 Mk2 speakers + the RCF cover + the feet ... at half price. I bought a small mixer T-Mix 201 for the blutooth and power I hope I have not made a mistake !!!!
The 715s are great speakers...not familiar with the T-Mix here in the US. Just be carful to not red line them with the limiters coming on, you will need a subwoofer for low end for DJ work.
@@trinityprosound THx for All my Friend.
cheap n nasty this system with very poor SPL output.
We have used these in events with 200 people and have run a full band through them, and the output could have really going much higher... not sure where you are getting your info, have you ever used a pair of them? and if so what was the application and were you really needing a bigger system? we find many people that purchase these types of systems dont understand the limits of a 12" driver LF box that is trying to cover low end and kind of sub woofer duty. these are not subwoofers at all, and that is where the confusion lies with many buyers.
trinityprosound what’s the difference?......I just bought a HK nano lucas 608i with intention to use it with a small jazz band! I bought this unit because it’s not heavy and I already have a nano 302. I haven’t even tried it on stage yet because I just got it two days ago.