I totally think the creators should have give more information about Kataang relationship and family. I just hope that the comics cover the holes that ATLA and partly LOK left
Katara and Aang’s family had their issues, and their far from perfect but most importantly, they’re happy. They are clearly a very happy family. Unlike the Beifong family.
Just realizing this, but in ATLA, Smoke and Shadow, Aang receives word that Zulu needs his help, but this was right before he, Katara and Sokka were supposed to go to the South Pole, and in the book, Katara says, You can go, it's ok, this is how it is dating the avatar. (With not a bit of sarcasm or sadness, atleast not from my p.o.v.) So She understands that since Aang is the Avatar, he has responsibilities other than her and Sokka, and like any mother would do would be to teach there children what they do, so Katara as a mother might have told her kids that Aang would spend more time with Tenzin because He and Tenzin are the only 2 living Airbenders, and like Katara, both Kya and Bumi would most likely accept that Aangs job must come before his earthly possessions, otherwise, if you remember Avatar Kuruk, who was a go with the flow guy.... His love, her face was stolen. Katara, Kya and Bumi must have accepted that Aang would spend more time with Tenzin being the only Airbenders, but
But also that Aang's job is to keep peace between the FOUR nations, not 3 nations and 2 Air benders. And I know there are Air Acyolites, but they were not born into the Air Nation unlike Tenzin's Kids who technically were born into the air nation. Aang's only family problems that would be apparent would be the lack of time spent with Bumi and Kya, But I feel like Bumi is the one that he should have spent time with more, because Kya, who is a water bender has Katara to teacher her and spend time with, Bumi on the other hand, has no bending, so really the only family he can relate to is Sokka. So unless he learned things from him, he was most likely left out of many things. Aang and Katara both must have been happy that They were going to have a son, but must have been a bit sorry that their first son, had not bending. (Off Topic) This means, that kids produced by parents, both with the ability to bend the elements, does not have a 100% chance to have their offspring to be able to bend
Republic city used to be called crane fish town in the comics and it used to be apart of the fire colonies. And Aang discovered an island in the middle of a bay outside the city. Which would become air temple island. And after Aang turned the remaining fire colonies into the United republic, it was actually confirmed that Aang and Katara built a home on air temple island where they raised Bumi, Kya, and Tenzin.
I'm curious to know what kind of relationship the Kataang kids had with their uncle. My friends and I always thought that Bumi II was just like Sokka, so I wonder if they were close.
+Jomar Rosa Yes, some fled the air temples during the genocide, but the Fire Sages from Bhanti Village (Where Korra washes up in Book 2 and experiences Wan's Story) realised what was happening and decided to create a new home for some of the survivors. 70 years on and you have a fairly healthy population.
Probably the 1st video I see where Aang isn't described as a awfull father. I see so many people saying Aang was a terrible father, some even compare him to Ozai or Yakone. smh. Some even say they didn't work as a couple mostly because of it, etc. A lot of bad things about Aang basically. I always thought that Aang was so busy with being the Avatar and with Republic city, that he didn't have any time to be with his family and the little time that he had he used to train Tenzin and good as possible to be able to continue his legacy. Kya and Bumi saw it as Tenzin being the favorite, but it wasn't entirely the case. They both say they know airbender stories, so Aang told them those stories too. The three of them happily looked to the family photo and say "what a happy family" so there were happy moments, the bad thing is that they didn't show the happy family...they made Aang look so bad and then they say this, and, it felt like it came out of the blue to be honest. We also know Kya knows Aang is proud of them all, so he showed it to her sometime during his life, and in the comics she says he was the 1st person to support her when she came out. I blame the writers for not show any of this in the actual series... However, it's kinda realistic and it kinda reminds me of a lot of other shows and movies I've seen where the hero struggle to be with his loved ones because of how demanding his job is. He might have tried and always failed, and knowing ATLA's Aang he must have felt really bad about it. Katara didn't get mad because she understood it and when she got together with him she knew it would eventually happen. I hope the comics or in the Netflix live action they show how was their married life. Some commented here how Katara felt like a "Wife prize" for Aang...I honestly don't know what that means, but it doesn't feel like a good thing and I think don't quite agree with that person, as much as their relatioship on ATLA isn't as developed as it should be.
I really enjoyed this video. I wish we could of had a series on the Kataang family in which we can see some of our favorite characters starting another chapter in their lives by becoming parents, and teaching their kids everything they know. We could see more on how the kids got their personality and helped change the world. I feel this would give ATLA more of a closure and a better intro to LoK
Pretty much agree with everything you said, good video. I've always thought it was strange for aang and katara to have a non-bender child, when both of them are benders themselves. I know it can realistically happen but I guess it was important for the story and the family dynamic for that to be the case.
And thats why i ship kataang so hard they look so healthy and happy as a family i dont think they had such a big issue i know they had time together thank you for not saying "aang is a very bad father" like the most of the vidoes it's not true about their family i just want to see a comic about their wedding like you said i would be a parfect comic i will love nickelodeon so much parfect video i know you uploaded this video four years ago but still hope you will see it Parfect video dude
I just found your channel, OMG I am a huge Avatar TLAB fan! Thank you for doing this! This really means a lot to me, and even to legit Avatar fans. Your videos seem interesting and you seem really confident on what you do. MORE AVATAR VIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+Gabe Gomez At the moment while the fandom is in a down period with not much news to expect, I tend to stick to 1 Avatar video a week. More will come as new content comes out (Mainly the comics). If you are interested in more content like what I do on my channel, I host an Avatar podcast for an Avatar fansite I run. The Avatar Online Podcast on AvatarTheLastAirbenderOnline.com. For recent episodes we are rewatching/rereviewing Korra, but we have reviews up for every episode of ATLA and Korra as well as all of the comics.
+AirspeedPrime I'm really glad that you're still making avatar videos, because the fan base is sort of dormant right now, and could use more content. I am sure that the fandom will rebound after the LoK comics start coming out. Kudos to you! Loved the video by the way.
Aang had to carry his entire culture on his own and never really had a father and the only father figure he had was his airbending instructor. It makes sense why he treated Tenzin the way he did.
Can you do a discussion on Iroh? The uncle from ATLA, not LOK. I think this would be a good topic to talk about because he is one of the most kind fire nation characters, although his past was a bit difficult, he changed. There is quite a lot to talk about him. Also Zuko, from ATLA, And Iroh (young one not in spirit world) from LOK, both had the same voice actors.
+Gabe Gomez I have already done Zuko and Iroh, check out the playlist of all of the discussions I have done. th-cam.com/play/PLgZmqrXh_I0C36X9VbFP9E6WNgMRzrHtb.html
I'm not a fan of the comics or even Korra that much for the fact that the characters do things out of character and will sometimes revert back to old habits. I don't believe Aang would have been a horrible father regardless of his Avatar duties. In the show, he knew he needed to save the world, but at the same time, he also loved to have fun. Do you really think the little boy who loved to have fun with Monk Gyatso and hated the fact that his other mentors were so strict would ignore his own two children just because they weren't Airbenders? Katara knows what it's like to feel abandoned by her father, so she would just sit back and let her own children deal with the same thing? I can say if she were to end up with Zuko in canon, they would both know something about abandonment, however Bryke would have probably screwed that up somehow too. Up until the recent comics, Katara just felt like a trophy wife to Aang and not her own person--she could have been Aang's girlfriend but also be herself, Zuko and Aang were fighting again, Katara shows no empathy towards Azula despite the fact that she pitied her after she and Zuko defeated her, and Zuko and Katara's friendship is pretty much non-existent despite their close connection at the end of the series and instead Suki of all people is being there for Zuko. What even is character development to Bryke? This stuff is so inconsistant at times that it doesn't even feel canon.
Katara has had plenty of good character moments where she is her own person. Yes the comics show off their relationship at times, but she is presented as her own person always. In the first comic The Promise she is the one who more or less has the idea that in the future will become the united republic, she is the one who shows that she understands Aang enough to know he needs to really consider carefully what decision he makes. As for Team avatar and Azula, the problem is that they don't know Azula. Katara felt pity for Azula because of the state she was in at the end of ATLA, but she doesn't understand why Azula is like that and especially when she is somewhat stable again when they meet in The Search she is rightfully on guard against Azula with how dangerous she is rather than trying to figure out what issues she has. This is the person who killed Aang if not for the spirit water. The thing with Azula is that right now the only people who in anyway know and potentially understand what she is dealing with is Azula herself, Ursa, Zuko to a degree and perhaps Iroh knows. Team Avatar can't connect with Azula if she gives them nothing to connect with. While I don't feel Katara and Zuko have had a ton of amazing friendship moments, they are friends, Sokka and Zuko are very close, but the stories that are being told don't often give the chance for specific characters to have those key friendship moments. Suki is there because she and other Kyoshi Warriors are acting as his bodyguards so they are right there with him, Suki is Zuko's newest friend and their relationship needed a bit of focus, the bodyguard situation allowed that to happen. Character-wise the comics are spot on, the only mistake they have made is that at times they don't use the page count as well as they should and some of the comics don't feel like important stories. But even that is only a fairly recent thing, aspects of Smoke and Shadow and a lot of North and South would be where I have my issues with the comics. As for Korra, given that we never specifically see Katara or Aang ignore their children, we only get the interpretation of the past from Tenzin, Kya and Bumi. They all had a family, which Aang didn't and Katara didn't have a for a long time too. Of course the two of them were there for their kids and perhaps extra focus on Tenzin looked like ignoring to Kya and Bumi, but trying to in any way compare Aang not knowing his parents and then realising all of his people and friends were gone and Katara losing her mother in the war and her father being gone for a long time fighting in the war is not a great comparison. As I said in the video Aang giving Tenzin focus as an airbender is understandable, and I think an issue from childhood that over time has become bigger than it actually was, look at how they more or less resolve it It is that family photo. They all had 2 loving parents and while things were not perfect all the time, they clearly all had a lot of time with their parents.
Katara might not have necessarily seen Aang spending more time with Tenzin than his other children as abandonment. In "The Last Airbender", she heavily ties her own cultural identity with her bending. She argued that Haru shouldn't stop Earthbending because she saw it as a part of him, she wanted to learn from Hama because of their shared "heritage", and in the "Imbalance" comics she emphasizes how integral bending is to her culture. She tends to view bending as its own unique form of culture and her ideals on the subject were never challenged in "The Last Airbender" or the comics, so they likely haven't changed much up to "The Legend of Korra". She probably saw Aang spending so much time with Tenzin as a means to connect with Airbending culture as opposed to Air Nomad culture. Pemma told Tenzin that being an Airbender and being an Air Nomad are two seperate things and Tenzin and Aang were the only people who embodied both. Katara was the sole Waterbender in the Southern Water Tribe for the longest time, so her values on preserving the cultural aspects of bending likely coincided with Aang's. It is possible that she even encouraged Aang's attempts in fostering Airbending culture with Tenzin. I'm not saying that Katara was a bad mother, but she is often blinded by her own idealism. She might not even be aware of how her children were affected by these actions.
Just finished ATLAB and I was really hoping they'd show like a little montage of aang and kataras life together, like them growing up happy and in love, and I dont like LOK just I watched the first 3 episodes and thought Korra was a privileged stuck up bitch with anger issues, and all I needed to see was this picture, I'm at peace now
I don't see Korra as being particularly angry, considering we had Zuko in ATLA. As for her being privileged, keep in mind it was not her decision to be isolated in the Avatar compound as she was, so can you blame her for having to discover the world once she leaves the compound. I would recommend watching Korra. It is very good.
@@AirspeedPrime Zuko had every reason to be angry, but even he wasn't as much as a stuck up bitch as Korra. Zuko was raised in a time of war, where he believed everything his father and nation were doing was right. Zuko was physically and mentally abused by his father, going so far as to be banished and stripped of his title as prince, with his only hope at returning to his home being a person who hasn't been seen in a century; aka, his father telling him to never come back. Comparing Zuko to Korra, who btw, Zuko was not the main character, while Korra was (and also in ATLA, Zuko's whole character was a villain, of course he was going to be like that), isn't fair or a good comparison. Her being privileged makes sense in season 1. But her being a bitch throughout the rest of the show? Nope, not excusable. You see how Zuko developed, whereas Korra got everything handed to her on a silver platter? That isn't the same at ALL, nor is it good writing. I've watched all of Korra, and I can say with the utmost confidence that it is not, in fact, "very good", but is rather mediocre at best. Also, while we're on the topic, the creators not only ruined the NEW avatar, but proceeded to shit all over Aang's character by deliberately writing him off as a neglectful father. And yes, he was neglectful; Kya and Bumi literally state it multiple times in season 2.
Not my fault if you do not at all understand Korra's character. Korra is a very good show, a lot of fans make the same mistake you do of viewing it in contrast to ATLA and thinking they are no where near each other, when both shows are right up there as some of the best animated series. Both shows are good, no need to bash one down to big up the other, they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I still agree that ATLA is better overall, but also that some of the criticism leveled at Korra as a character and series is blown way out of proportion. We saw both Korra and Zuko develop, unless you are honestly attempting to argue that Korra didn't develop over the course of 4 seasons? I see you didn't actually watch the video. In the "Civil Wars" 2 parter, part 1 shows the Kataang siblings arguing, but if you watch part 2 you can see that they immediately resolve these issues and highlight that it was the kids bringing childhood issues into their later life and in the end with the anger put aside they could all realise that they were a happy family, that there were clearly more good times than bad. I don't get why so many fans blow the stuff said at the start of "Civil Wars" out of proportion and ignore the resolution to this plot. All the show really says about Aang as a father is just that he wasn't perfect, no one is perfect, in families those type of little issues happen, it doesn't make Aang bad or neglectful. If he was then how could the 3 kids get past their issues with just a brief talk in Civil Wars part 2.
@@AirspeedPrime That isn't how an argument works though. When half of an entire fanbase at LEAST doesn't "understand Korra's character", then the show has failed in progressing the character. People bash LoK because it's weaknesses greatly outweigh its strengths, unlike ATLA. Y'all act like the criticism towards the show isn't justified, when it is. I could 100% argue that Korra didn't develop over the course of 4 seasons; because she didn't. Her development only began in the second half of the third season. There is absolutely no arguing that because it is so blatantly obvious. And even if she did "develop" over the course of 4 seasons, that doesn't automatically make it good or balanced development. Also, your "Aang not being a neglectful father because they remember happy times too" makes no sense. You realize that plenty of kids have more good times than bad times with parents, but parents can still be neglectful for a lot of their lives. Just because the good times outweigh the bad, that doesn't mean that the bad automatically disappear and Aang isn't all of a sudden a neglectful father towards his other two children. They got passed their brief talk in Civil Wars part 2 because their dad was neglectful towards them, not full on abusive. They quite literally talk about how Aang only brought ONE of his kids on vacations. That is literally him neglecting his other children. A parent who beats their children sometimes, but not all the times, is still an abusive parent. Just as how a parent who neglects their children sometimes, but not all the times, is a neglectful parent. I never said anyone in a family is perfect, but there has NEVER been an instant in any normal family in which a parent only brings ONE of their children on vacations with them. Oh and also, I could use the same logic that you used on the three siblings getting over their daddy issues with Mako and using firebending. "If Mako's parents were struck down by a firebender in FRONT of him, then how is it that he is able to firebend without any sort of hesitation or PTSD issues? Clearly the firebender wasn't actually a murderer, or else Mako would be scared to firebend himself!" That is your logic. And I agree that no parent is perfect; ever. But they made Aang into a whole different type of parent (a completely out of character personality).
@@marieknep5567 I think a lot more people than you say understand Korra's character, so I don't know how you are using that as your reasoning for why the show has "failed" in "progressing" her. Just because you don't like Korra doesn't mean the show has failed. Korra as as show for sure has weaknesses, but I disagree heavily that they outweigh its strengths. I agree it has more weaknesses than ATLA does and that ATLA is the better show, but Korra is still an excellent show. I would argue that Book 3 is the one book Korra did not actually develop in and that it was Book 1, 2 and 4 where she received most of her development. In Book 3 she is mainly coming off her big development and growth from Book 2, but I don't think that book itself actually develops her more. It sets up her arc in Book 4, but her getting injured is not character development, that happens in Book 4 itself. As for Aang as a father. I think it is excessive to call him neglectful, you act as if Aang is an only father who just left the kids on their own to bring Tenzin somewhere, Katara exists to look after the other 2 in these instances. The point I was making was just that if Kya and Bumi's issues with Aang were so great, how did they make up so easily with Tenzin in the end by bonding over that family picture and noting that they were/are a happy family. I am not trying to diminish how they felt about what happened in the past, but it does very much come across as them focusing on the bad moments and ignoring the good, that those missed vacations are not these defining moments in the characters lives, we know each of the Kataang siblings took their own path, Kya at some point left to travel the world as a healer (Feels very Air Nomad to me!) and Bumi joined the United Forces as we learn in an effort to make Aang proud of him despite him not being a bender and he succeeds getting to the rank of Commander. Tenzin on the other hand had his choice made for him to a degree, he was obviously all for it, but it is the other side of the coin. Kya is the one to say that Aang would be proud of Bumi, highlighting again that the issue is more of an issue between siblings rather than with Aang. The dynamic is more about them being jealous of Tenzin, hence the two teasing him throughout the episodes and then at other times Kya and Tenzin teasing Bumi about not being a bender. Exactly no parent is perfect, ever. So why is Aang training his only airbending child, Tenzin, on these vacations this wildly out of character thing in your opinion. Aang doesn't like to force his culture onto people, he doesn't do it to Katara and he of course would not want to do it to Bumi and Kya. As we see Kya notes at times how boring many of those Air Nomad stories are. The main point I am trying to make is that a couple of vacations with Tenzin does not make Aang a bad father at all. Yes Kya and Bumi felt left out when these trips happened, but it seems excessive to me to use this alone as the reasoning behind calling Aang a bad parent or completely out of character. We know Aang had a good relationship with Bumi and Kya, if not why would Kya have revealed her sexual orientation to Aang, if she considered him a bad father would she have felt comfortable enough sharing something to personal with him specifically. Moments like that are why I do lean in the direction of not viewing the vactions as being too big of an issue, because there are clearly so many other moments of the family being very happy together and if the worst thing that happened with such a celebrity family was Tenzing having a few solo vacations with Aang to do Air Nomad training then that still to me comes out as being a very happy family. Eh the problem with your Mako "example" is that you just made that up. We never get a scene that in any way equates the death of Mako's parents to how he sees himself as a firebender, like it is just not in the show at all either way. I think you really overthought this example to try and criticise my logic. My point was that how could the kids all agree together that their family was happy if they honestly believe Aang to be a truly bad father, this is the point of this discussion it is not "Did Aang do anything wrong during his time as a father" it is "Is Aang a bad father" as we see clearly he made some mistakes as a father, but that does not make him a bad father and the point of the scene at the end of Civil Wars Part 2 is meant to highlight that yes Aang wasn't perfect, but that he also was not a bad father and in full reflection the 3 kids can all agree that growing up things were overall "Happy". I am not trying to say that Aang going on the vacations alone with Tenzin was not a bad thing, but I would add we don't have full context for them either, my point is that that example alone does not make Aang a bad father as many fans try to make out. The scene at the end with the family photo directly tells us that despite a few issues growing up the family including Aang as their father was a happy experience. So yeah, I disagree that Aang is a bad father or that he is neglectful, I don't think that word fits the example here that well and for me is way more negative sounding than it needs to be in this situation. So for me the show presents Aang as a father who wasn't perfect, so pretty normal, and given the circumstances of him as the Avatar and him and Katara being a celebrity couple in the world things turned out very well for the family.
You're really good at this type of video😉. Anyway, i think if something went wrong in the dynamics of their family, Katara would have surely pointed the issue to Aang. I mean, Just Watch how She reacted in "the chase" when toph did not want to help to Carry the luggage. She was going nuts for a very Stupid issue, so why She should not have for something way more serious.
I view The Chase as being representative of Katara's dynamic with Toph when they argue, we have nothing really to highlight that she acts like this with Aang. In fact the few times we have seen Aang and Katara disagree they actually communicate pretty well and don't get as intense as Katara and Toph. Also I feel you are being unfair to Katara in The Chase, especially given what Toph needed to learn from Iroh in that episode. This is Toph's first episode being part of the group and the episode highlights that she is used to doing stuff on her own, so we see a lack of teamwork as well as an unwillingness to accept help from others which she pretty much gets past in this episode due to Iroh's advice. Note that the arguments about Toph helping with the camp never really comes up again outside of this episode. So yes Katara was being harsh on Toph, but at the same time it was Toph not working with the group she just joined. The result was that we got to see how the two argue which comes up again in The Runaway, but this time over a different issue.
I think my issue with this subplot is that it’s muddled. We don’t get enough of the nuance for Aang to not come across as a bad dad, like the huge age gap between kids and Kya and Bumis disinterest in nomad culture, so to the fandom at large Aang is just a bad dad. I wish the other two would’ve gotten scenes in the fog: or Katara for a word in to clear things up
I like how you clearly express what you think but I hate the analysis as a whole. I think you aren't holding katarra or aang's responsible for their own parenting and using how they were as a child to pretty much guess (since there isn't any lore on it) how they were as parents. And it sucks because boomi's story was literally mine down to bring the eldest child just with a bit of isolation from my siblings ( due to them sharing and regular visiting a father).
Keep in mind that a good amount of the fandom took the little info that we got and went right down the Aang and Katara are bad parents route, so this was my counter point to this without just going full on Aang and Katara were amazing parents as my opinion. I don't think we are presented with anything that really highlights Aang and Katara as bad parents, but in the end I think the 3 kids despite focusing on some issues between them ultimately look at the family photo and realise that there were more times like that than there were negative. So yeah I guess I am not holding them accountable for their parenting, and that is because I don't see what there is to hold them accountable for. The Book 2 episodes focusing on the siblings is much more about them than their parents. Plus the success of all 3 characters highlights that they all turned out well even if everything wasn't perfect. Bumi was super high up in the United Forces military, which is all the more impressive as a non-bender. Kya is clearly a well respected healer and is noted to have a great relationship with Katara and Tenzin despite all the pressure managed to lead the Air Nomads/Air Nation very well.
Sure being the avatar is tough work. That’s why I don’t think he should have had kids or got married. His job was already stressful enough. Why add kids and a wife into the mix? He couldn’t balance both hence him being a bad father and husband.
Aang and Katara kind of had to come together and have kids or else the Airbenders would truly disappear. Also Katara and Aang loved each other and wanted to have a family together.
I think that Aang would be a terrible father and husband. He would not particularly be caring in that as an air nomad detachment is part of the society. To project that after all he's been through and lost that he could suddenly be a stable father and husband is a stretch and I think the writers allude to that point. People let their like for the character color their perspective.
You clearly do not understand at a base level the character of Aang. Yes detatchment is an aspect of Air nomad culture, but Aang is not your standard Air Nomad, not just because he is the Avatar, but who he is as a person. He struggles with being TOO attached to the people he cares about, look at his reaction to Appa being taken, finding out about Gyatso's death and into the comics his own reflections on himself and how he acknowledges that he will always struggle with caring too much, but that he can accept that as part of him. I don't know any part of the series that tries to get across the idea that because he had a life with so many ups and downs that he cannot be a good father and husband. The few insights we have get across the idea while things were not perfect, they were not exactly terrible for Kya, Bumi and Tenzin. Statements from Katara make it clear that Aang was a very loving father. Plus in the end of the Book 2 sibling drama the 3 came together and pretty much acknowledged that the issues were more or less petty childish stuff from the past that they can easily move past. I am not trying to say that Aang and Katara were perfect parents, who is, but to say that he is a terrible father and husband because of the culture he came from and because he has experienced loss is just a shocking take.
I totally think the creators should have give more information about Kataang relationship and family. I just hope that the comics cover the holes that ATLA and partly LOK left
I agree, and they are starting to do that in the comics.
ok we either need a show about Kataang and their family or a comic.
Katara and Aang’s family had their issues, and their far from perfect but most importantly, they’re happy. They are clearly a very happy family. Unlike the Beifong family.
Just realizing this, but in ATLA, Smoke and Shadow, Aang receives word that Zulu needs his help, but this was right before he, Katara and Sokka were supposed to go to the South Pole, and in the book, Katara says, You can go, it's ok, this is how it is dating the avatar. (With not a bit of sarcasm or sadness, atleast not from my p.o.v.) So She understands that since Aang is the Avatar, he has responsibilities other than her and Sokka, and like any mother would do would be to teach there children what they do, so Katara as a mother might have told her kids that Aang would spend more time with Tenzin because He and Tenzin are the only 2 living Airbenders, and like Katara, both Kya and Bumi would most likely accept that Aangs job must come before his earthly possessions, otherwise, if you remember Avatar Kuruk, who was a go with the flow guy.... His love, her face was stolen. Katara, Kya and Bumi must have accepted that Aang would spend more time with Tenzin being the only Airbenders, but
But also that Aang's job is to keep peace between the FOUR nations, not 3 nations and 2 Air benders. And I know there are Air Acyolites, but they were not born into the Air Nation unlike Tenzin's Kids who technically were born into the air nation. Aang's only family problems that would be apparent would be the lack of time spent with Bumi and Kya, But I feel like Bumi is the one that he should have spent time with more, because Kya, who is a water bender has Katara to teacher her and spend time with, Bumi on the other hand, has no bending, so really the only family he can relate to is Sokka. So unless he learned things from him, he was most likely left out of many things. Aang and Katara both must have been happy that They were going to have a son, but must have been a bit sorry that their first son, had not bending.
(Off Topic) This means, that kids produced by parents, both with the ability to bend the elements, does not have a 100% chance to have their offspring to be able to bend
Republic city used to be called crane fish town in the comics and it used to be apart of the fire colonies. And Aang discovered an island in the middle of a bay outside the city. Which would become air temple island. And after Aang turned the remaining fire colonies into the United republic, it was actually confirmed that Aang and Katara built a home on air temple island where they raised Bumi, Kya, and Tenzin.
I'm curious to know what kind of relationship the Kataang kids had with their uncle. My friends and I always thought that Bumi II was just like Sokka, so I wonder if they were close.
I understand how the airbenders came back, but how did the flying bison and lemur species came back from extinction?
Some of them were preserve by the fire sage in korra book 2
+Jomar Rosa Yes, some fled the air temples during the genocide, but the Fire Sages from Bhanti Village (Where Korra washes up in Book 2 and experiences Wan's Story) realised what was happening and decided to create a new home for some of the survivors. 70 years on and you have a fairly healthy population.
Probably the 1st video I see where Aang isn't described as a awfull father. I see so many people saying Aang was a terrible father, some even compare him to Ozai or Yakone. smh. Some even say they didn't work as a couple mostly because of it, etc. A lot of bad things about Aang basically.
I always thought that Aang was so busy with being the Avatar and with Republic city, that he didn't have any time to be with his family and the little time that he had he used to train Tenzin and good as possible to be able to continue his legacy. Kya and Bumi saw it as Tenzin being the favorite, but it wasn't entirely the case. They both say they know airbender stories, so Aang told them those stories too. The three of them happily looked to the family photo and say "what a happy family" so there were happy moments, the bad thing is that they didn't show the happy family...they made Aang look so bad and then they say this, and, it felt like it came out of the blue to be honest. We also know Kya knows Aang is proud of them all, so he showed it to her sometime during his life, and in the comics she says he was the 1st person to support her when she came out. I blame the writers for not show any of this in the actual series...
However, it's kinda realistic and it kinda reminds me of a lot of other shows and movies I've seen where the hero struggle to be with his loved ones because of how demanding his job is. He might have tried and always failed, and knowing ATLA's Aang he must have felt really bad about it. Katara didn't get mad because she understood it and when she got together with him she knew it would eventually happen. I hope the comics or in the Netflix live action they show how was their married life.
Some commented here how Katara felt like a "Wife prize" for Aang...I honestly don't know what that means, but it doesn't feel like a good thing and I think don't quite agree with that person, as much as their relatioship on ATLA isn't as developed as it should be.
Who's watching this in 2020
I really enjoyed this video. I wish we could of had a series on the Kataang family in which we can see some of our favorite characters starting another chapter in their lives by becoming parents, and teaching their kids everything they know. We could see more on how the kids got their personality and helped change the world. I feel this would give ATLA more of a closure and a better intro to LoK
Pretty much agree with everything you said, good video. I've always thought it was strange for aang and katara to have a non-bender child, when both of them are benders themselves. I know it can realistically happen but I guess it was important for the story and the family dynamic for that to be the case.
And thats why i ship kataang so hard they look so healthy and happy as a family i dont think they had such a big issue i know they had time together thank you for not saying "aang is a very bad father" like the most of the vidoes it's not true about their family i just want to see a comic about their wedding like you said i would be a parfect comic i will love nickelodeon so much parfect video i know you uploaded this video four years ago but still hope you will see it
Parfect video dude
I must say that you make the best Avatar Videos. Thank you for that.
I just found your channel, OMG I am a huge Avatar TLAB fan! Thank you for doing this! This really means a lot to me, and even to legit Avatar fans. Your videos seem interesting and you seem really confident on what you do. MORE AVATAR VIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+Gabe Gomez At the moment while the fandom is in a down period with not much news to expect, I tend to stick to 1 Avatar video a week. More will come as new content comes out (Mainly the comics).
If you are interested in more content like what I do on my channel, I host an Avatar podcast for an Avatar fansite I run. The Avatar Online Podcast on AvatarTheLastAirbenderOnline.com. For recent episodes we are rewatching/rereviewing Korra, but we have reviews up for every episode of ATLA and Korra as well as all of the comics.
+AirspeedPrime I'm really glad that you're still making avatar videos, because the fan base is sort of dormant right now, and could use more content. I am sure that the fandom will rebound after the LoK comics start coming out. Kudos to you! Loved the video by the way.
Aang had to carry his entire culture on his own and never really had a father and the only father figure he had was his airbending instructor. It makes sense why he treated Tenzin the way he did.
Can you do a discussion on Iroh? The uncle from ATLA, not LOK. I think this would be a good topic to talk about because he is one of the most kind fire nation characters, although his past was a bit difficult, he changed. There is quite a lot to talk about him.
Also Zuko, from ATLA, And Iroh (young one not in spirit world) from LOK, both had the same voice actors.
By not from LOK I mean not the one from the united republic because Uncle Iroh was also in LOK, but he was in the spirit world.
+Gabe Gomez I have already done Zuko and Iroh, check out the playlist of all of the discussions I have done.
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I'm not a fan of the comics or even Korra that much for the fact that the characters do things out of character and will sometimes revert back to old habits.
I don't believe Aang would have been a horrible father regardless of his Avatar duties. In the show, he knew he needed to save the world, but at the same time, he also loved to have fun. Do you really think the little boy who loved to have fun with Monk Gyatso and hated the fact that his other mentors were so strict would ignore his own two children just because they weren't Airbenders? Katara knows what it's like to feel abandoned by her father, so she would just sit back and let her own children deal with the same thing? I can say if she were to end up with Zuko in canon, they would both know something about abandonment, however Bryke would have probably screwed that up somehow too.
Up until the recent comics, Katara just felt like a trophy wife to Aang and not her own person--she could have been Aang's girlfriend but also be herself, Zuko and Aang were fighting again, Katara shows no empathy towards Azula despite the fact that she pitied her after she and Zuko defeated her, and Zuko and Katara's friendship is pretty much non-existent despite their close connection at the end of the series and instead Suki of all people is being there for Zuko. What even is character development to Bryke? This stuff is so inconsistant at times that it doesn't even feel canon.
Katara has had plenty of good character moments where she is her own person. Yes the comics show off their relationship at times, but she is presented as her own person always. In the first comic The Promise she is the one who more or less has the idea that in the future will become the united republic, she is the one who shows that she understands Aang enough to know he needs to really consider carefully what decision he makes.
As for Team avatar and Azula, the problem is that they don't know Azula. Katara felt pity for Azula because of the state she was in at the end of ATLA, but she doesn't understand why Azula is like that and especially when she is somewhat stable again when they meet in The Search she is rightfully on guard against Azula with how dangerous she is rather than trying to figure out what issues she has. This is the person who killed Aang if not for the spirit water. The thing with Azula is that right now the only people who in anyway know and potentially understand what she is dealing with is Azula herself, Ursa, Zuko to a degree and perhaps Iroh knows. Team Avatar can't connect with Azula if she gives them nothing to connect with.
While I don't feel Katara and Zuko have had a ton of amazing friendship moments, they are friends, Sokka and Zuko are very close, but the stories that are being told don't often give the chance for specific characters to have those key friendship moments. Suki is there because she and other Kyoshi Warriors are acting as his bodyguards so they are right there with him, Suki is Zuko's newest friend and their relationship needed a bit of focus, the bodyguard situation allowed that to happen.
Character-wise the comics are spot on, the only mistake they have made is that at times they don't use the page count as well as they should and some of the comics don't feel like important stories. But even that is only a fairly recent thing, aspects of Smoke and Shadow and a lot of North and South would be where I have my issues with the comics.
As for Korra, given that we never specifically see Katara or Aang ignore their children, we only get the interpretation of the past from Tenzin, Kya and Bumi. They all had a family, which Aang didn't and Katara didn't have a for a long time too. Of course the two of them were there for their kids and perhaps extra focus on Tenzin looked like ignoring to Kya and Bumi, but trying to in any way compare Aang not knowing his parents and then realising all of his people and friends were gone and Katara losing her mother in the war and her father being gone for a long time fighting in the war is not a great comparison.
As I said in the video Aang giving Tenzin focus as an airbender is understandable, and I think an issue from childhood that over time has become bigger than it actually was, look at how they more or less resolve it It is that family photo. They all had 2 loving parents and while things were not perfect all the time, they clearly all had a lot of time with their parents.
Katara might not have necessarily seen Aang spending more time with Tenzin than his other children as abandonment. In "The Last Airbender", she heavily ties her own cultural identity with her bending. She argued that Haru shouldn't stop Earthbending because she saw it as a part of him, she wanted to learn from Hama because of their shared "heritage", and in the "Imbalance" comics she emphasizes how integral bending is to her culture. She tends to view bending as its own unique form of culture and her ideals on the subject were never challenged in "The Last Airbender" or the comics, so they likely haven't changed much up to "The Legend of Korra". She probably saw Aang spending so much time with Tenzin as a means to connect with Airbending culture as opposed to Air Nomad culture. Pemma told Tenzin that being an Airbender and being an Air Nomad are two seperate things and Tenzin and Aang were the only people who embodied both.
Katara was the sole Waterbender in the Southern Water Tribe for the longest time, so her values on preserving the cultural aspects of bending likely coincided with Aang's. It is possible that she even encouraged Aang's attempts in fostering Airbending culture with Tenzin. I'm not saying that Katara was a bad mother, but she is often blinded by her own idealism. She might not even be aware of how her children were affected by these actions.
I know it isn't solely based on The Avatar TLAB but Thank You!
why would they make aang a bad father
Very good vid🙌🏽
Great Vid
Just finished ATLAB and I was really hoping they'd show like a little montage of aang and kataras life together, like them growing up happy and in love, and I dont like LOK just I watched the first 3 episodes and thought Korra was a privileged stuck up bitch with anger issues, and all I needed to see was this picture, I'm at peace now
I don't see Korra as being particularly angry, considering we had Zuko in ATLA.
As for her being privileged, keep in mind it was not her decision to be isolated in the Avatar compound as she was, so can you blame her for having to discover the world once she leaves the compound.
I would recommend watching Korra. It is very good.
@@AirspeedPrime Zuko had every reason to be angry, but even he wasn't as much as a stuck up bitch as Korra. Zuko was raised in a time of war, where he believed everything his father and nation were doing was right. Zuko was physically and mentally abused by his father, going so far as to be banished and stripped of his title as prince, with his only hope at returning to his home being a person who hasn't been seen in a century; aka, his father telling him to never come back. Comparing Zuko to Korra, who btw, Zuko was not the main character, while Korra was (and also in ATLA, Zuko's whole character was a villain, of course he was going to be like that), isn't fair or a good comparison. Her being privileged makes sense in season 1. But her being a bitch throughout the rest of the show? Nope, not excusable. You see how Zuko developed, whereas Korra got everything handed to her on a silver platter? That isn't the same at ALL, nor is it good writing. I've watched all of Korra, and I can say with the utmost confidence that it is not, in fact, "very good", but is rather mediocre at best.
Also, while we're on the topic, the creators not only ruined the NEW avatar, but proceeded to shit all over Aang's character by deliberately writing him off as a neglectful father. And yes, he was neglectful; Kya and Bumi literally state it multiple times in season 2.
Not my fault if you do not at all understand Korra's character. Korra is a very good show, a lot of fans make the same mistake you do of viewing it in contrast to ATLA and thinking they are no where near each other, when both shows are right up there as some of the best animated series. Both shows are good, no need to bash one down to big up the other, they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I still agree that ATLA is better overall, but also that some of the criticism leveled at Korra as a character and series is blown way out of proportion.
We saw both Korra and Zuko develop, unless you are honestly attempting to argue that Korra didn't develop over the course of 4 seasons?
I see you didn't actually watch the video. In the "Civil Wars" 2 parter, part 1 shows the Kataang siblings arguing, but if you watch part 2 you can see that they immediately resolve these issues and highlight that it was the kids bringing childhood issues into their later life and in the end with the anger put aside they could all realise that they were a happy family, that there were clearly more good times than bad. I don't get why so many fans blow the stuff said at the start of "Civil Wars" out of proportion and ignore the resolution to this plot. All the show really says about Aang as a father is just that he wasn't perfect, no one is perfect, in families those type of little issues happen, it doesn't make Aang bad or neglectful. If he was then how could the 3 kids get past their issues with just a brief talk in Civil Wars part 2.
@@AirspeedPrime That isn't how an argument works though. When half of an entire fanbase at LEAST doesn't "understand Korra's character", then the show has failed in progressing the character. People bash LoK because it's weaknesses greatly outweigh its strengths, unlike ATLA. Y'all act like the criticism towards the show isn't justified, when it is. I could 100% argue that Korra didn't develop over the course of 4 seasons; because she didn't. Her development only began in the second half of the third season. There is absolutely no arguing that because it is so blatantly obvious. And even if she did "develop" over the course of 4 seasons, that doesn't automatically make it good or balanced development.
Also, your "Aang not being a neglectful father because they remember happy times too" makes no sense. You realize that plenty of kids have more good times than bad times with parents, but parents can still be neglectful for a lot of their lives. Just because the good times outweigh the bad, that doesn't mean that the bad automatically disappear and Aang isn't all of a sudden a neglectful father towards his other two children. They got passed their brief talk in Civil Wars part 2 because their dad was neglectful towards them, not full on abusive. They quite literally talk about how Aang only brought ONE of his kids on vacations. That is literally him neglecting his other children. A parent who beats their children sometimes, but not all the times, is still an abusive parent. Just as how a parent who neglects their children sometimes, but not all the times, is a neglectful parent. I never said anyone in a family is perfect, but there has NEVER been an instant in any normal family in which a parent only brings ONE of their children on vacations with them.
Oh and also, I could use the same logic that you used on the three siblings getting over their daddy issues with Mako and using firebending. "If Mako's parents were struck down by a firebender in FRONT of him, then how is it that he is able to firebend without any sort of hesitation or PTSD issues? Clearly the firebender wasn't actually a murderer, or else Mako would be scared to firebend himself!" That is your logic.
And I agree that no parent is perfect; ever. But they made Aang into a whole different type of parent (a completely out of character personality).
@@marieknep5567 I think a lot more people than you say understand Korra's character, so I don't know how you are using that as your reasoning for why the show has "failed" in "progressing" her. Just because you don't like Korra doesn't mean the show has failed.
Korra as as show for sure has weaknesses, but I disagree heavily that they outweigh its strengths. I agree it has more weaknesses than ATLA does and that ATLA is the better show, but Korra is still an excellent show.
I would argue that Book 3 is the one book Korra did not actually develop in and that it was Book 1, 2 and 4 where she received most of her development. In Book 3 she is mainly coming off her big development and growth from Book 2, but I don't think that book itself actually develops her more. It sets up her arc in Book 4, but her getting injured is not character development, that happens in Book 4 itself.
As for Aang as a father. I think it is excessive to call him neglectful, you act as if Aang is an only father who just left the kids on their own to bring Tenzin somewhere, Katara exists to look after the other 2 in these instances. The point I was making was just that if Kya and Bumi's issues with Aang were so great, how did they make up so easily with Tenzin in the end by bonding over that family picture and noting that they were/are a happy family. I am not trying to diminish how they felt about what happened in the past, but it does very much come across as them focusing on the bad moments and ignoring the good, that those missed vacations are not these defining moments in the characters lives, we know each of the Kataang siblings took their own path, Kya at some point left to travel the world as a healer (Feels very Air Nomad to me!) and Bumi joined the United Forces as we learn in an effort to make Aang proud of him despite him not being a bender and he succeeds getting to the rank of Commander. Tenzin on the other hand had his choice made for him to a degree, he was obviously all for it, but it is the other side of the coin. Kya is the one to say that Aang would be proud of Bumi, highlighting again that the issue is more of an issue between siblings rather than with Aang. The dynamic is more about them being jealous of Tenzin, hence the two teasing him throughout the episodes and then at other times Kya and Tenzin teasing Bumi about not being a bender.
Exactly no parent is perfect, ever. So why is Aang training his only airbending child, Tenzin, on these vacations this wildly out of character thing in your opinion. Aang doesn't like to force his culture onto people, he doesn't do it to Katara and he of course would not want to do it to Bumi and Kya. As we see Kya notes at times how boring many of those Air Nomad stories are.
The main point I am trying to make is that a couple of vacations with Tenzin does not make Aang a bad father at all. Yes Kya and Bumi felt left out when these trips happened, but it seems excessive to me to use this alone as the reasoning behind calling Aang a bad parent or completely out of character. We know Aang had a good relationship with Bumi and Kya, if not why would Kya have revealed her sexual orientation to Aang, if she considered him a bad father would she have felt comfortable enough sharing something to personal with him specifically. Moments like that are why I do lean in the direction of not viewing the vactions as being too big of an issue, because there are clearly so many other moments of the family being very happy together and if the worst thing that happened with such a celebrity family was Tenzing having a few solo vacations with Aang to do Air Nomad training then that still to me comes out as being a very happy family.
Eh the problem with your Mako "example" is that you just made that up. We never get a scene that in any way equates the death of Mako's parents to how he sees himself as a firebender, like it is just not in the show at all either way. I think you really overthought this example to try and criticise my logic. My point was that how could the kids all agree together that their family was happy if they honestly believe Aang to be a truly bad father, this is the point of this discussion it is not "Did Aang do anything wrong during his time as a father" it is "Is Aang a bad father" as we see clearly he made some mistakes as a father, but that does not make him a bad father and the point of the scene at the end of Civil Wars Part 2 is meant to highlight that yes Aang wasn't perfect, but that he also was not a bad father and in full reflection the 3 kids can all agree that growing up things were overall "Happy". I am not trying to say that Aang going on the vacations alone with Tenzin was not a bad thing, but I would add we don't have full context for them either, my point is that that example alone does not make Aang a bad father as many fans try to make out. The scene at the end with the family photo directly tells us that despite a few issues growing up the family including Aang as their father was a happy experience.
So yeah, I disagree that Aang is a bad father or that he is neglectful, I don't think that word fits the example here that well and for me is way more negative sounding than it needs to be in this situation. So for me the show presents Aang as a father who wasn't perfect, so pretty normal, and given the circumstances of him as the Avatar and him and Katara being a celebrity couple in the world things turned out very well for the family.
can do one on Raava?
+Mackezie Hartill Sure, probably will be next week's topic
You're really good at this type of video😉.
Anyway, i think if something went wrong in the dynamics of their family, Katara would have surely pointed the issue to Aang.
I mean, Just Watch how She reacted in "the chase" when toph did not want to help to Carry the luggage. She was going nuts for a very Stupid issue, so why She should not have for something way more serious.
I view The Chase as being representative of Katara's dynamic with Toph when they argue, we have nothing really to highlight that she acts like this with Aang. In fact the few times we have seen Aang and Katara disagree they actually communicate pretty well and don't get as intense as Katara and Toph.
Also I feel you are being unfair to Katara in The Chase, especially given what Toph needed to learn from Iroh in that episode. This is Toph's first episode being part of the group and the episode highlights that she is used to doing stuff on her own, so we see a lack of teamwork as well as an unwillingness to accept help from others which she pretty much gets past in this episode due to Iroh's advice. Note that the arguments about Toph helping with the camp never really comes up again outside of this episode.
So yes Katara was being harsh on Toph, but at the same time it was Toph not working with the group she just joined. The result was that we got to see how the two argue which comes up again in The Runaway, but this time over a different issue.
I think my issue with this subplot is that it’s muddled. We don’t get enough of the nuance for Aang to not come across as a bad dad, like the huge age gap between kids and Kya and Bumis disinterest in nomad culture, so to the fandom at large Aang is just a bad dad. I wish the other two would’ve gotten scenes in the fog: or Katara for a word in to clear things up
I like how you clearly express what you think but I hate the analysis as a whole. I think you aren't holding katarra or aang's responsible for their own parenting and using how they were as a child to pretty much guess (since there isn't any lore on it) how they were as parents. And it sucks because boomi's story was literally mine down to bring the eldest child just with a bit of isolation from my siblings ( due to them sharing and regular visiting a father).
Keep in mind that a good amount of the fandom took the little info that we got and went right down the Aang and Katara are bad parents route, so this was my counter point to this without just going full on Aang and Katara were amazing parents as my opinion.
I don't think we are presented with anything that really highlights Aang and Katara as bad parents, but in the end I think the 3 kids despite focusing on some issues between them ultimately look at the family photo and realise that there were more times like that than there were negative.
So yeah I guess I am not holding them accountable for their parenting, and that is because I don't see what there is to hold them accountable for. The Book 2 episodes focusing on the siblings is much more about them than their parents. Plus the success of all 3 characters highlights that they all turned out well even if everything wasn't perfect. Bumi was super high up in the United Forces military, which is all the more impressive as a non-bender. Kya is clearly a well respected healer and is noted to have a great relationship with Katara and Tenzin despite all the pressure managed to lead the Air Nomads/Air Nation very well.
Sure being the avatar is tough work. That’s why I don’t think he should have had kids or got married. His job was already stressful enough. Why add kids and a wife into the mix? He couldn’t balance both hence him being a bad father and husband.
Danielle Martinez but he wasn’t a bad father or husband.
The Air Nomad has to be restored to restore the balance of nature.
The last airbender had to make airbender junior.
Aang and Katara kind of had to come together and have kids or else the Airbenders would truly disappear. Also Katara and Aang loved each other and wanted to have a family together.
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I think that Aang would be a terrible father and husband. He would not particularly be caring in that as an air nomad detachment is part of the society. To project that after all he's been through and lost that he could suddenly be a stable father and husband is a stretch and I think the writers allude to that point. People let their like for the character color their perspective.
You clearly do not understand at a base level the character of Aang. Yes detatchment is an aspect of Air nomad culture, but Aang is not your standard Air Nomad, not just because he is the Avatar, but who he is as a person. He struggles with being TOO attached to the people he cares about, look at his reaction to Appa being taken, finding out about Gyatso's death and into the comics his own reflections on himself and how he acknowledges that he will always struggle with caring too much, but that he can accept that as part of him.
I don't know any part of the series that tries to get across the idea that because he had a life with so many ups and downs that he cannot be a good father and husband. The few insights we have get across the idea while things were not perfect, they were not exactly terrible for Kya, Bumi and Tenzin. Statements from Katara make it clear that Aang was a very loving father. Plus in the end of the Book 2 sibling drama the 3 came together and pretty much acknowledged that the issues were more or less petty childish stuff from the past that they can easily move past.
I am not trying to say that Aang and Katara were perfect parents, who is, but to say that he is a terrible father and husband because of the culture he came from and because he has experienced loss is just a shocking take.
@@AirspeedPrime why would they make aang bad father