With the glut of misinformation, marketing and shaving-ignorance in so many TH-cam videos, you have consistently produced solid and informative productions. Thank you.
Hey Keith, now this I can wrap my brain around. Loved the side by side comparison. Being new to all this, even though you keep on insisting this is just your opinion, it matters. When you and I started down this road about two years ago, the q&a came down to an apprenticeship idea. I've been following everything you've put out and achieved very good results on the jnats. But there is always the inquisitive part in the back of my mind screaming what about this. Your comparison between the three stones was spot on. Helped identify the action of the stone. Your videos are top notch, as a beginner trying to learn, sometimes it doesn't click for lack of a better term, due to ignorance. This, this is exactly what I needed. Not comparing the stones for what they are but the action of the stone was great. Thank you, all kinds of light bulbs turning on. Monty
After watching this several times, I picked one of these up a couple of weeks ago and it's a nice stone. Gives a good shaving edge as you stated, and for less than 100 bucks (shipping and all) it's a great deal.
Yeah, the feedback is very different. Not that it isn't there, it's like maybe it speaks a different language. I'm starting to get a good feel of it, and I'm really kind of liking it...
Keith, off topic, but i noticed when you hone many times going north from the camera you put the blade at an angle, but coming back you keep the blade straight. Curious about it. Thanks for another cool video ;)
sometimes the camera angle makes things look weiird, other times positioning on my bench isn't ideal and lastly - don't sweat the small stuff. On-camera demo's like this aren't intended to be a 'how to', just a review of the stone. Happy Honing.
nice video Keith, I am glade that you liked the stone... and I liked what you did with it. I totally agree with you, the stone is very gentle one the steel it doesn't leave big scratches on the bevel everywhere, yes you can find one or two even with Eschers I see those, I think it may caused by any source of contamination. have you tried soap or other higher viscosity medium ? if yes, didn't it like ft a better / worse edge ?
+aljuwaiedak I can't seem to push it much further than it goes with slurry, and it's entirely possible that the slurry edge is identical to what I'd get to on plain water if I spent more time on it. Now - using soap or glycerine or whatever eliminates the stop/jerky motion I get with the slurry (which is totally inconsequential - very minor but it's there) but the shaves seem to be the same to me. Perhaps that added lubrication adds a bit more polish that can be seen on the scope or with a loupe, but it's not a remarkable change. At this point in time - it's like the stone says 'this is what I got, that's it, there is no more and you will like it'. Which is fine - maybe even good. Nice stone - very straight forward and you don't have to stand on your head to get an edge that shaves nicely.
A stone and a strop are used for different purposes. A strop is a daily maintenance tool for aligning and/or re-aligning the blade. Stones are for actual sharpening when the blade dulls.
Hi Keith. Thank you for your video. I'm new to honing and I have a Vermio stone, on which I find it difficult to get an edge as sharp as I would like. It seems to take a lot of work. Mind you, perhaps that is normal. I find it quite confusing, as a beginner, to know which stones to buy. There are a dizzying amount of them out there at, what I think, are astronomical prices. However, the Vermio is the only stone I have, so I'll learn as much as I can on it. Cheers.
Hi, thank you for watching and commenting too! Most sharpness is created in the bevel set through 5k stages. Work on those skills first, don't sweat the finisher right now.
The term slate covers a lot of ground, literally. (pun intended). There is coarse slate, and fine slate. Escher hones are slate, but they are super fine and their composition lends itself to being a good hone. Most slate stones do not compare well to an Escher. So, to answer your question - this Vermio MAY be finer than SOME slate stones, but not finer than others.
great video..goes well with your written review on site.. I understand everyone here is more into the honing of straight razors.. but for us knife jockeys..how do you think this stone would be as either a finishing stone..or one of your finishing stones.. I share same philosophy..I don't look to replace stones..I seem to enjoy adding stones to my progression..only fault in that is soon will take forever to finish my edges..lol
For me - a blade 6" or less would do fine here I think - longer would mean I'd have to get into some really interesting gymnasitics. The stone is hard enough for knives, sure - there is some softness so you'd have to pay attention.
I asked, what stone are in 16:26-17:00, I not undersdanding english good, so... plz tell in time bar what stone start (black) what stone in 16:26 (grey)
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Keith, another interesting and informative video. You get the message across exceptionaly well. Thank you.
HI James, it's always good to hear your feedback. Thank you - and you're welcome!
With the glut of misinformation, marketing and shaving-ignorance in so many TH-cam videos, you have consistently produced solid and informative productions. Thank you.
Hey Keith, now this I can wrap my brain around. Loved the side by side comparison. Being new to all this, even though you keep on insisting this is just your opinion, it matters. When you and I started down this road about two years ago, the q&a came down to an apprenticeship idea. I've been following everything you've put out and achieved very good results on the jnats. But there is always the inquisitive part in the back of my mind screaming what about this.
Your comparison between the three stones was spot on. Helped identify the action of the stone. Your videos are top notch, as a beginner trying to learn, sometimes it doesn't click for lack of a better term, due to ignorance.
This, this is exactly what I needed. Not comparing the stones for what they are but the action of the stone was great.
Thank you, all kinds of light bulbs turning on.
Monty
Happy Honing
After watching this several times, I picked one of these up a couple of weeks ago and it's a nice stone. Gives a good shaving edge as you stated, and for less than 100 bucks (shipping and all) it's a great deal.
It's a very interesting stone - price is ok too. I sorta miss mine - lol.
Yeah, the feedback is very different. Not that it isn't there, it's like maybe it speaks a different language. I'm starting to get a good feel of it, and I'm really kind of liking it...
Keith, off topic, but i noticed when you hone many times going north from the camera you put the blade at an angle, but coming back you keep the blade straight. Curious about it. Thanks for another cool video ;)
sometimes the camera angle makes things look weiird, other times positioning on my bench isn't ideal and lastly - don't sweat the small stuff. On-camera demo's like this aren't intended to be a 'how to', just a review of the stone. Happy Honing.
nice video Keith, I am glade that you liked the stone... and I liked what you did with it.
I totally agree with you, the stone is very gentle one the steel it doesn't leave big scratches on the bevel everywhere, yes you can find one or two even with Eschers I see those, I think it may caused by any source of contamination.
have you tried soap or other higher viscosity medium ? if yes, didn't it like ft a better / worse edge ?
+aljuwaiedak I can't seem to push it much further than it goes with slurry, and it's entirely possible that the slurry edge is identical to what I'd get to on plain water if I spent more time on it.
Now - using soap or glycerine or whatever eliminates the stop/jerky motion I get with the slurry (which is totally inconsequential - very minor but it's there) but the shaves seem to be the same to me. Perhaps that added lubrication adds a bit more polish that can be seen on the scope or with a loupe, but it's not a remarkable change.
At this point in time - it's like the stone says 'this is what I got, that's it, there is no more and you will like it'. Which is fine - maybe even good. Nice stone - very straight forward and you don't have to stand on your head to get an edge that shaves nicely.
very good information as usual Keith! I appreciate your no nonsense approach :)
Happy Honing
Great work, thank you.
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Nice video! Interesting stone! Good to see the penguins!
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Which one's better a stone or a strap to sharpen up your blade????
A stone and a strop are used for different purposes. A strop is a daily maintenance tool for aligning and/or re-aligning the blade. Stones are for actual sharpening when the blade dulls.
@@KeithVJohnson1 THANX YOU FOR THE INFO..
But Keith, who can't see sub-micron striations and their depth differential with the naked eye?
I heard that honing poobahs are the only ones who can visually measure and compare stria depth variations in angstroms. .
Honing goals lol
Hi Keith. Thank you for your video. I'm new to honing and I have a Vermio stone, on which I find it difficult to get an edge as sharp as I would like. It seems to take a lot of work. Mind you, perhaps that is normal. I find it quite confusing, as a beginner, to know which stones to buy. There are a dizzying amount of them out there at, what I think, are astronomical prices. However, the Vermio is the only stone I have, so I'll learn as much as I can on it. Cheers.
Hi, thank you for watching and commenting too!
Most sharpness is created in the bevel set through 5k stages. Work on those skills first, don't sweat the finisher right now.
Again - wise words!
ty...for the input
Happy Honing!
Hi do you that vermio stone is finer than a slate stone ?
The term slate covers a lot of ground, literally. (pun intended).
There is coarse slate, and fine slate. Escher hones are slate, but they are super fine and their composition lends itself to being a good hone. Most slate stones do not compare well to an Escher. So, to answer your question - this Vermio MAY be finer than SOME slate stones, but not finer than others.
great video..goes well with your written review on site..
I understand everyone here is more into the honing of straight razors..
but for us knife jockeys..how do you think this stone would be as either a finishing stone..or one of your finishing stones..
I share same philosophy..I don't look to replace stones..I seem to enjoy adding stones to my progression..only fault in that is soon will take forever to finish my edges..lol
For me - a blade 6" or less would do fine here I think - longer would mean I'd have to get into some really interesting gymnasitics. The stone is hard enough for knives, sure - there is some softness so you'd have to pay attention.
cool stone.
For sure!
Nice stone :) Thumbs UP!
Happy Honing!
Wouldn't mind trying one of these and a Cretan some day. Need to figure out this blame quartz one first, though.
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Nice penguins
they're watching closely
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in 16:26 you start vermio?
Hi - I do not understand, please clarify your question.
I asked, what stone are in 16:26-17:00,
I not undersdanding english good, so... plz tell in time bar what stone start (black) what stone in 16:26 (grey)
Thank you for explaining. At that time stsmp, I sm working with an Escher razor hone.