Per the books, the narrator is far enough from the future that he can refer to Mecklinger's memoirs and Dusty Attenborough's memoirs as the source material for his understanding of the Empire and the Alliance, so there has to be at least one generation gap there, but I assume it's significantly more. Hundreds of years, maybe.
@@pattersong6637 in the anime I remember them mentioning how the Milky Way (where the story is set in) is significantly smaller to what the narrator's generation lives in. It should be at the very start of the series.
@@arjouuh7129 I don't think so. That contradicts the whole point of the story. Even though they lived far far in future and space, human lives remained the same and history repeated itself, warring nations and people discussing what's the best form of governorship. It won't change in the narrator time.
I too loved Oberstein as a character, I sometimes have difficulty accepting people think he's evil in a game where the stakes are literally hundreds of millions of lives.
Saying he didn't think very highly of himself is noteworthy. Despite his great intelligence and foresight, he didn't achieve great feats for himself, and always acted for the benefit of the Empire. The question is, would Oberstein if tried, become something like Reinhardt? I wonder if the books were any different.
oberstein wasn't likeable and he didn't inspire loyalty, he could have probably run a n.korea kind of deal for a while but he had a habit of rubbing people the wrong way just by saying facts bluntly and chastising people in public without caring about the appearances, as he himself said "the universe won't weep should the oberstein name die out" even reinhardt didn't like him as a person he only valued him as an advisor and i think he kind of knew he needed someone like obesrstein to be the villain at times
I think he was on the extreme of diligence and also dedicated to what he believed to be right. At the same time he wasn't really ambitious and knew his own limitations like lack of charisma. He just wanted a position high enough to execute his plans and ideas. Not more than that. He didn't want or believed in glory to himself. He just wanted to make a difference and be the agent of change, but he didn't want leadership himself. Leadership was just a tool to achieve something. He saw only Reinhardt was worthy of being the emperor. At the same time he probably knew he himself was a problem and was aware of all the grudges his actions created. As long he managed to create a good foundation to the new empire, he himself was expendable.
I am reading the books and he is practically the same, in fact when reading the books I notice that the anime added some scenes that I thought would be in the books or were different.
Yang would absolutely get it but not care. He's fully aware that history shows that politics is a dirty business, and that creating and sustaining a peaceful and (approximately) just state of affairs can require all sorts of Machiavellian maneuvering. He just doesn't have the stomach for it: all Yang wants is to study, drink tea, and not be an asshole. His whole problem is that when you also happen to be a military genius on whose leadership everyone you love depends, "not being an asshole" means having, and using, a lot of power.
I realised most people dream about being like Reinhard, and somehow we are all raced to be like him. But in reality, we need more Obersteins in this world. Personally, I like to think I used to be like Reinhard in my youth, but now I only want to become a decent Oberstein. One shouldn't care for fame, glory or people's love, one should just do the goddamn job right and leave some kind of legacy for feature generations because in the end that's all that matters.
He is probably only person in the Imperial side not blinded by the charm of Reinhard and who could say words like army not being personal property of emperor while even Reinhard had not been bothered by the men he sent to the death ın the pursuit of defeating Yang Wen Li fair and square.
Big SPOILERS: I don’t think Oberstein actually knew of the terraist plot. After all since he himself was against using lives meaninglessly, if Yang actually made peace with Reinhard it would be a good situation. His plot was probably insurance. In the end it makes no difference since Yang died anyways but regardless I think that would be Oberstein’s mindset
@@PaulvonOberstein true, but still I doubt even he knew the terraist plot, like Reuental said, it’s impossible for him to rule all the conspiracies in the universe.
Sometimes I feel that he joined Reinhard because he was trying to suppress the current state of affairs, with privileged people. He didn’t like people having special privilege (look at Kircheis or Hilda who he looked at people being favored by the Kaiser) he didn’t want Reinhard to become as the other nobles and wanted the fighting to end as soon as possible, even it mean through Machiavelli like means. Sometimes I just think he was scorned that Reinhard didn’t like him THAT way
Despite of what's said in this clip you can feel that Oberstein actually has a lot of ego and thinks that his political strategies are the best simply cause of "machiavellinism". In fact Tanaka misinterpreted Machiavelli in some parts of the story.
It makes no difference if the plan to kill Yang was supported by Oberstein or initiated by the Terranist Group, the end result was an strategic assassination that fitted Oberstein Plans to protect the Empire. Still, the Terranists beat Lennenkampt to it quite accidentally better off for the Alliance since the Imperial Plan probably included far more destructive goals.
+Starhunter Terra The real truth is that Yang was killed by the original author of the novels, by the stroke of a pen, only plans that were suited were those of the author ;)
And Oberstein knew this, because Oberstein was the author of the rise of Reinhard, the victory over the FPA and the total conquer of Phezzan and the Old Earth. Yes, Oberstein is Yoshiki Tanaka.
Bro made his channel about the character I hate the most in LOGH (asside from fork and Rubinsky and every filthy terrarist) Wont forgive him for causing Kircheis death
he's more comparable to varis, in that varis served "the realm" and oberstein served the empire/dynasty. little finger only looked out for his own personal interest/gain.
@@secretcountry exactly. That's what is fascinating about Oberstein. Despite his brutal methods, he is someone who cares about the greater good. Also, he is someone who is so grounded in reality, he realizes he needs Reinhardt's banner to deploy the greater good as effectively as possible. Reinhardt in a way was Oberstein's pawn.
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He knew how many licks it took to get to the center of a tootsie pop. Oberstein believed nobody else should bear the burden of such knowledge.
Kinda surprising to see Maria Ushiromiya comment under multiple LOGH's videos
"but also by later generations"
I always wondered how far in the future the narrator is.
Per the books, the narrator is far enough from the future that he can refer to Mecklinger's memoirs and Dusty Attenborough's memoirs as the source material for his understanding of the Empire and the Alliance, so there has to be at least one generation gap there, but I assume it's significantly more. Hundreds of years, maybe.
@@pattersong6637 in the anime I remember them mentioning how the Milky Way (where the story is set in) is significantly smaller to what the narrator's generation lives in. It should be at the very start of the series.
I like to think that the narrator is from a future when peace was archive, like actual documentaries of past wars.
@@arjouuh7129 I don't think so. That contradicts the whole point of the story. Even though they lived far far in future and space, human lives remained the same and history repeated itself, warring nations and people discussing what's the best form of governorship. It won't change in the narrator time.
作者は銀河英雄伝説の原型となったと思われる作品として、銀河のチェス ゲーム という未完の作品を持っており、その作品の世界観設定(37世紀)の説明において、過去の歴史的出来事としてヤンウェンリーとラインハルト、ユリアンが出てきます。これは一つのヒントになる気がします。
Her: So who is your role model?
Me: Its complicated....
Just be Oberstein but smile sometimes
I too loved Oberstein as a character, I sometimes have difficulty accepting people think he's evil in a game where the stakes are literally hundreds of millions of lives.
DID NOTHING WRONG
best boy award goes to: oberstein's pupper
Oberstein is a fantastic character
Oberstein is my favourite character, even up of Admiral Yang
How can Oberstaine be your favorite character!!!!????
@@lin3498 he's my favourite character, with reinhard and reuenthal up there as well
@@lin3498 I am sorry swastika man, please leave me alone.
@@lin3498 Why are you shocked?
Saying he didn't think very highly of himself is noteworthy. Despite his great intelligence and foresight, he didn't achieve great feats for himself, and always acted for the benefit of the Empire. The question is, would Oberstein if tried, become something like Reinhardt? I wonder if the books were any different.
Doubt because oberstein felt he lacked charisma which he saw in reinhard.
oberstein wasn't likeable and he didn't inspire loyalty, he could have probably run a n.korea kind of deal for a while but he had a habit of rubbing people the wrong way just by saying facts bluntly and chastising people in public without caring about the appearances, as he himself said "the universe won't weep should the oberstein name die out" even reinhardt didn't like him as a person he only valued him as an advisor and i think he kind of knew he needed someone like obesrstein to be the villain at times
I think he was on the extreme of diligence and also dedicated to what he believed to be right. At the same time he wasn't really ambitious and knew his own limitations like lack of charisma. He just wanted a position high enough to execute his plans and ideas. Not more than that. He didn't want or believed in glory to himself. He just wanted to make a difference and be the agent of change, but he didn't want leadership himself. Leadership was just a tool to achieve something. He saw only Reinhardt was worthy of being the emperor.
At the same time he probably knew he himself was a problem and was aware of all the grudges his actions created. As long he managed to create a good foundation to the new empire, he himself was expendable.
History books would have been different, if Oberstein went full Merkatz and joined the FPA.
I am reading the books and he is practically the same, in fact when reading the books I notice that the anime added some scenes that I thought would be in the books or were different.
You know I would like to see an interaction with oberstein and yang ,to see how ones idealism would bounce of the others pragmatism
Yang would absolutely get it but not care. He's fully aware that history shows that politics is a dirty business, and that creating and sustaining a peaceful and (approximately) just state of affairs can require all sorts of Machiavellian maneuvering.
He just doesn't have the stomach for it: all Yang wants is to study, drink tea, and not be an asshole. His whole problem is that when you also happen to be a military genius on whose leadership everyone you love depends, "not being an asshole" means having, and using, a lot of power.
Oberstein was the best friend Reinhard Lohengramm didn't realize that it had !
fr
オーベルシュタインのような強靭なハートがほしい。性格は別として…
あの鋼の心臓があれば大分ストレスも軽減されるでしょうね。
Dvorak- Symphony no. 8, 1st Movement
Thank you
巨大組織が、長く息長らえるためには、古今東西あらゆるところ、所謂｢無名のリトルオーベルシュタイン｣が存在したと思うのは、私だけでしょうか？
やってるのはスパイ活動の長だからそのとおりだろうね。ただ、ラングみたいな部下がやらかして、せっかくの諜報機関が弱体化してしまうのも古今東西あらゆるところで起こっている事だ。
また、内部告発者によっても大打撃を受ける。ヴェスターラントの悲劇を告発し暗殺未遂で捕まった無名の男こそ実は、オーベルシュタインとラインハルト、ローエングラム王朝に誰よりも大きなダメージを与えている。
オーベルシュタインのようなストイックを突き詰めるあまりに、一種機械的な印象さえあるようなキャラクター（それでいて犬好き）は自分の知る限りでは彼以外にはいない。こんな魅力的なキャラクターを生み出した田中芳樹はほんとうに凄いと思う。
ホントおっしゃる通りですね
一切私利私欲を持たない権力者というのは
オーベルシュタインを置いて他にいません
対してなろう系アニメの主人公は
私利私欲の権化みたいな少年が多いですね｡
だからこそ旧アニメ版でキルヒ死亡シーンでラインハルトをかばったのが光る（賛否あっていいとおもいますが）
あの瞬間彼は機械ではなかった自身の情熱を注げる対象を文字通り命がけでかばったたとえ犬死だったとしても
Oberstein was the true kaiser of the empire!
The shadow kaiser*
Raymond Saint Reunthal....
今の日本に足りないのはパウル・フォン・オーベルシュタイン、アドリアン・ルビンスキー、ヤン・ウェンリーの３人。そして最も互いに協調性を持とうとしない３人・・・・
I realised most people dream about being like Reinhard, and somehow we are all raced to be like him. But in reality, we need more Obersteins in this world.
Personally, I like to think I used to be like Reinhard in my youth, but now I only want to become a decent Oberstein. One shouldn't care for fame, glory or people's love, one should just do the goddamn job right and leave some kind of legacy for feature generations because in the end that's all that matters.
Oberstein. Ruthless, doesn’t care what others think about him. Loyal and devoted to the empire and its people.
He is probably only person in the Imperial side not blinded by the charm of Reinhard and who could say words like army not being personal property of emperor while even Reinhard had not been bothered by the men he sent to the death ın the pursuit of defeating Yang Wen Li fair and square.
Big SPOILERS:
I don’t think Oberstein actually knew of the terraist plot. After all since he himself was against using lives meaninglessly, if Yang actually made peace with Reinhard it would be a good situation. His plot was probably insurance. In the end it makes no difference since Yang died anyways but regardless I think that would be Oberstein’s mindset
Oberstein would prefer a universe without Yang than one with Yang, even if Yang made peace with Reinhard.
@@PaulvonOberstein true, but still I doubt even he knew the terraist plot, like Reuental said, it’s impossible for him to rule all the conspiracies in the universe.
@@PaulvonOberstein in principle, but that was good enought too
ここに列せられる属僚で敢然と皇帝を批判、諫言できるのは元帥だけ。他の将帥どもは単なる能吏、有能な軍人、使い勝手の良い召使のみ。
Sometimes I feel that he joined Reinhard because he was trying to suppress the current state of affairs, with privileged people. He didn’t like people having special privilege (look at Kircheis or Hilda who he looked at people being favored by the Kaiser) he didn’t want Reinhard to become as the other nobles and wanted the fighting to end as soon as possible, even it mean through Machiavelli like means.
Sometimes I just think he was scorned that Reinhard didn’t like him THAT way
Despite of what's said in this clip you can feel that Oberstein actually has a lot of ego and thinks that his political strategies are the best simply cause of "machiavellinism". In fact Tanaka misinterpreted Machiavelli in some parts of the story.
キルヒアイスの一件でオーベルシュタインは簡単に好感が持てなかったけど、逆に彼がいなければ、最終話で地球教を壊滅させることは難しいだったろう…とも思うんですね。
本当に無駄のないキャラクター設定だなぁ…
who hurt this man
The Goldenbaum dynasty
His mother
@@MrMarttivainaa That was Reuenthal... wait, no, she didn't actually stab him...
ATTN: TH-cam.
This clip also uses the Otmar Suitner recording of Dvorak's Eighth. Better be quick and tag it!!
It makes no difference if the plan to kill Yang was supported by Oberstein or initiated by the Terranist Group, the end result was an strategic assassination that fitted Oberstein Plans to protect the Empire. Still, the Terranists beat Lennenkampt to it quite accidentally better off for the Alliance since the Imperial Plan probably included far more destructive goals.
+Starhunter Terra The real truth is that Yang was killed by the original author of the novels, by the stroke of a pen, only plans that were suited were those of the author ;)
And Oberstein knew this, because Oberstein was the author of the rise of Reinhard, the victory over the FPA and the total conquer of Phezzan and the Old Earth. Yes, Oberstein is Yoshiki Tanaka.
Ok narrator, you can stop describing me. Stop it, it's already creepy how you know so much.
I wish ı could be a man like Oberstein..
Oberstein foresaw most possible outcomes, but never actually knew which ones could actually happen in the end.
Spoiler Below:
I think he knew that he would end up dying on that fateful night.
It was kinda implied that he wanted to kill himself using that incident.
The Kiyotaka Ayanokouji from years ago.
I love Oberstien 🤩
Long live oberstein
この人に欲と、戦術能力を与えると、タイタニアのアジュマーンになる。
That's how history sees it. The truth is that Oberstein was really anti-social and introverted, so he had a hard time speaking up.
Second favorite after Yang wen-li
柔らかい鶏肉の人
He googled “Dancing Israelis.”
Music ?
Bro made his channel about the character I hate the most in LOGH (asside from fork and Rubinsky and every filthy terrarist)
Wont forgive him for causing Kircheis death
he's just like me fr fr
The Little Finger of LOGH, hands down if there was a live film. Could Peter from GOT play him well?.
he's more comparable to varis, in that varis served "the realm" and oberstein served the empire/dynasty. little finger only looked out for his own personal interest/gain.
@@secretcountry exactly.
That's what is fascinating about Oberstein. Despite his brutal methods, he is someone who cares about the greater good. Also, he is someone who is so grounded in reality, he realizes he needs Reinhardt's banner to deploy the greater good as effectively as possible. Reinhardt in a way was Oberstein's pawn.
No
He is definitely more Varys than Littlefinger. For the good of the realm, has the sexuality of a eunuch, a true machiavellian and etc.
@@ythandlename , yeah I have reconsidered my opinion of him, but there is a little Littlefinger in him still regarding securing outcomes.