How Buffalo Bills freed up over $37 million in cap space | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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- Mike Florio and Chris Simms unpack the Bills’ roster moves, which include releasing Jordan Poyer and Mitch Morse, as well as renegotiating Von Miller’s contract to free up cap space. #NBCSports #ProFootballTalk #BuffaloBills #JoshAllen
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Mitch Morse is my only concern. He was a leader.
They've got others. We good.
Yea him and Allen were great together. Also worried about our D obviously but maybe they won't get so injured now
As a life long Bills fan….I really appreciate these guys, great players!! Mitch is probably the most underrated player in the group. With the upcoming draft picks we have I believe these are the right moves to make. I’m on the fence with Davis, great team player but drops a lot of balls. We will see how the draft works out for us!
Simms cracks me up he looks like he's dressed for the first day of grade-school.
He is a weird dude
😂
Von did an amazing selfless thing. More people need to appreciate that here.
He’s always been a team guy Broncos should have worked something out rather than trading him. Broncos fans were gutted 😞
Team friendly, but not "selfless". Selfless is take a true pay cut, they changed it to incentives that he will likely earn and it was in his best interest to not be "difficult" or he could get cut and then see none of the money remaining on his deal.
Without the gaurantees he would be a cut candidate.
Based on his production, his pay cut should be 90%.
4.19 mil for Deonte Hardy is WILD 🤯
Brandon beane is one of the worst GM’s in the NFL, these were the first good moves he has made in years.
Except for Allen i would say Beane has been average at best
How so? He's put together teams that have been a few plays away from the Super Bowl almost every year lately@@JoawMebs-im6ix
Tre had a ACL then an Achilles injury a year and a half later. So it’s not just an ACL Sims. On top of all that most of the players that were cut were aging or didn’t really contribute that much hearty didn’t contribute that much. Nyheim Hines was injured all last year. Poyer lost a step. It just made sense. Moneywise even Mitch Morris 32 you’ve got to get younger in this lead to stay relevant.
Makes absolute sense for teams to 'amortise' the salaries of the players over time versus an ever increasing salary cap.
Yes. Issue for players is when a 90M, 3Y contract gets broken down into 10, 25, 55, and that's how most teams do it, the team will just cut the player and absorb a bit of dead cap from the guaranteed money.
Look the final years of Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill contracts. They will never see that money because teams are better off cutting them.
This is heartbreaking as a Bills fan. I feel like we need a wake. Hyde issued a statement at the end of the season and now Poyer leaving hurts. That pair has been dynamic over the years, in the past few they've been the walking wounded . Morse has also been talking about retirement, but had stated at seasons end that he'd stick around if Buffalo wanted him. The team is really going to miss his leadership. Tre' is so going to be missed too. He's a great guy that wears his heart on his sleeve. His ACL he came back from, but then his Achilles went out....psychologically he's not quite the same. Allen has already restructured his contract multiple times . Yes, he gets paid a ton, but he's worth it.
They are shot and have been for 3 years …. Great move by bills , but should have did it 3 years ago… bills fan since 1962
You got to get outside your feelings, bro. Most of these people did not either contribute like Hardy or Hines. Or they were all aging and or have injury history. You have to get younger in this league to stay relevant and a team with a bunch of 30-year-olds not gonna compete against a team with a bunch of 20-year-olds wake up
NBC should televise CFL , May - August 2024. Sunday Night Football
Argooooooossssss!!!!!
It's going to fold like every other non-NFL league has for decades.
Agree
It was a massacre, but a very necessary massacre. Love everyone on the team, but everyone is beyond there primes, so this is phenomenal to free up this much cap and besides, we have 11/12 draft picks, so yeah, lookin like a good offseason for us.
It is a blessing in disguise.
I think this is gearing up for a Diggs release next season if he does not restructure his contract
Or play better all season
@@JoawMebs-im6ixHe needs a legit WR on the other side. Teams took advantage of Davis not being a real threat!
Just wait until Miami pays Tua.
Miami is losing key players now without paying tua yet lol
Yup!
The NFL needs fully guaranteed contracts. Maybe that will create the course correction needed to reel in spending. I'm sick of watching teams sign a bunch of players to frontloaded contracts one year just to have them cut a bunch of other players the following offseason.
Hi Bengals, your day is coming as well.
And Miami
Love how Mike went to Kenny Powers before Jetski!
Morse will end up in philly really fast
Cause he is a 30 yr old white guy?
Yep that's what I said, Philly needs a new C to stay relevant
As of now with von is saving face hopefully that narrative changes next coming season
They cut all those dudes but kept miller lol
We cant because it actually hurts the bills financially. We are fucked with his contract
cant really get rid of MIller, his contract is too big, the dead cap would be terrible.
Miller will earn his money as a designated pass rusher you like Tua Rodgers lol
@@philstanton8912 oh ok I didn’t know that. Damn I hope he stay healthy this year for you guys.
@@philstanton8912they can get out of it in 2025 just fine. He took a pay cut and added like 2 million to his dead cap in that year. It was always going to be a 3 year deal at minimum. Sucks he got bit by the turf monster, but if he can be an above average starter in 2024 it'll be just a mediocre one.
The Bills are the 1st. It’s coming for Miami, Cincinnati , Ravens. It’s going to hit them all and very soon.
The Bills aren’t the first. KC actually went thru this first but got around it by letting Hill and others walk
@@chetjablonski1993That’s correct! Thanks for the point!
Von wasn't a mistake. He just got hurt. Bad break for the Bills.
So who they got left. I see them dropping to 3 in the division
Buffalo's draft class will cost about $5.5 million alone. Do they need to be cap compliant before free agency starts so they could sign a player or two. Seattle needed to cut Diggs, Adams, and Dizzly. Now they have around $40 million minus their draft class. I know this because I am a Hawks fan
What about Johnson, Smith, and Williams?
should cut tyler bass too 🤬🤬
Buffalo welcome to franchise QB cap hell. Enjoy
Miller should have been the first to go.
This makes the Bears trade for Bates seem a bit worse but oh well.
Just the opposite bills have quality young lineman,the pick is for draft capital
He's not a starter, just a good depth guy.
Those guys were not playing much of last season. Some special teams players. Morse can be replaced. The Bills will be fine.
That Lamar disrespect was WYOLD! How many MVPs has Josh Allen won?
@manmythemenace: How many times besides his 2 first years has Josh Allen thrown under 3000 yards and under 20TDs?
@@codylasik1380 Mine was less wordy. Stop fishing for stats.
Boy Chris sure is enamored with Josh Allen. Hey Chris, Josh Allen isn’t the second best QB in football. That would be Joe Burrow. You know the guy who is 2-0 against Josh Allen. Yes that guy.
😂😂😂 dude you obsessed with Burrow??
Good Morning
Von is a 'Boss Hogg' chump from Texas that needed to negotiate his contract down to the league minimum. He is not loved or even liked by Bills Mafia tell ya that for free!
He was toast before he left LA and is just some rich guy 'playing' football; the Bills should have cut him.
They really should get rid of Miller, at this point.
7:16 🤔 🤨
Allen > everyone
Future Bills never won super bowl forever is no ring sadly shocked! 😱😞😰
Man the Bills are dubasses for giving a 33 year old linebacker a 6 year 120 million dollar deal!! I mean that is fuckimg CRAZY! And not In a good way. Von Miller will be 35 years old on March 26th. Miller has exactly 0.0 sacks last year and 2 QB hits. He isn’t even the same player he was in the Super Bowl against the Bengals. Those days are gone now. And now they have a 37 mil cap hit this year lol. Have fun with that!
You should be the General Manager !😂😂😂😂
As a Bills fan you are not wrong haha. Beane is so overrated. Outside of Allen he is lame and silly at times.
And still over the cap 😂
June 1st they will be out of it just fine.
How did they free up $37million? It's not rocket science, they cut 1/3rd of their roster. If they can't get some of these veterans to come back on team friendly deals they're screwed.
It wasn’t a 1/3 of the roster
@@chetjablonski1993 No way, seriously?
These guys are so bad. Know almost nothing about the salary cap. Please check cover 1s Greg tompsett s salary cap special. He breaks down the math and the actual rules Go bills.
Florio always taking about contracts. When they aren't making what he thinks is enough, he is constantly whining. When a player signs a team friendly deal, he is constantly whining... smh
They set the house on fire. Good luck beating the Chiefs now…
Well some might have said trading Hill was a poor move but you are still winning. Tough decisions are made by everyone. I know its hard as a KC fan thinking of anyone outside of your team so i understand your ignorance.
DOLPHINS PLEASE SNAG POYER!!!
He lives 20 miles from Miami. It would be a good move for his family.
Everybody in Buffalo wishes Jordan the best!
Chris needs mental help hear him say on Dan Patrick he take Caleb over Burrow and probably Luck
A bears fan talking about qbs. Lol. That franchise never had a franchise qb. N Chris nailed the qb rankings 3 straight years. 18-20 drafts. Lol
Yea bro it’s honestly not that shocking. Caleb is good…Burrow and Luck were good but don’t act like they are generational players.
@jackb8598 yes mark who asked u
Are these two guys in a relationship?
This is why players should never give hometown discounts.
You can kick that qb money until he retires. Lol. Same thing kc been doing for two years with mahones. Once they are gone you have a shitty team anyways so that’s when you get hit by the cap. Unless you do like the saints n wants to compete without brees. Stupid . Take a year or two to rebuild once they retired . Lol
Von Miller needs to go. He is done.
Allen is not even in the top 7 in qbs paid. Hell tua gonna make more than him. Lol
Clueless much 😂 Allen signed 3 yrs ago market has changed Dah 😂 Allen will get a top 3 raise soon
& what did he do? 0 superbowls, 0 superbowls apparences, 0 mvps, 0 superbowls mvp..🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
& what did he do? 0 superbowls, 0 superbowls apparences, 0 mvps, 0 superbowls mvp..🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
They will still suck
Well the Chris Simms homeboys came out in numbers here last week. And while you are entitled to your own opinions, you aren’t entitled to your own facts. And the FACTS are: Simms played in the NFL for five seasons primarily as a backup QB. He completed over half of his passes attempted with an average yardage gained of 5 yards. He played enough to have a QB rating in only two of those seasons, 34.5 in one and 1.6 in the other. I had no idea a QBR could get that low. Some think a touchdown to interception ratio is the true statistic to measure QB efficiency. Simms was 12 TD/ 18 INT. Most of his presence in these shows you see today he owes to who his father is instead of any profiency he may have had. And, finally, you’re welcome!
Thanks. Can you post your NFL stats? Simms is good at his job and that has nothing to do with his dad.
He was in the NFL you were commenting on utube 😂
@@winstonsyme5899 see reply to Sal.
@@sal4856 don’t think of me as a commenter on ‘utube’. Think of me as the Savior of Truth and Justice. Think of me as 🇺🇸💯🇺🇸MR AMERICA🇺🇸💯🇺🇸
Now Allen needs to see how hard it is to win with your huge cap hit…. Bills missed their window and won’t make the playoffs….. last year was there window to win the SB…. Burrow was injured and it was the worst chiefs teams they faced yet and couldn’t get it done… now their window closed.
As long as Josh allen is there the window is open
Sean/Beane toast at end of year. 10 loss season.
Josh Allen is not the 2nd best PLAYER in the nfl he is at best the 4th best quarterback. Try not having 15+ turnovers a season. Before someone asks burrow and Lamar have more success and other qbs are in the convo. Allen is super talented but talent doesn't equal best.
😂 he's 2nd at worst. Cope harder.
Lamar sucks. Regular season hero who always folds in the playoffs
Since 2020 the bills have won the second most games and have scored more ppg than anyone so maybe he's just pretty fucking good lol
Compare lamar Jackson and Josh Allen’s stats lmao you are on pcp or something
Chiefs put the Bills franchise out of business.
Josh Allen just got a new job at McDonald's.
Lol. He is living the good life with a hollywood actress. Josh can be a loser on the field but is set for life. He could buy all the mcdonalds in a state and still be rolling in cash.
Football doesnt need stars.. It needs football players..
Cap massacre=cutting two starters. The window is open as long as Allen is the QB.
Exactly, add a WR and safety, a few linebackers. Daquan Jones would be worth bringing back. Matt M comes back healthy and they are in place!
Was never releasing Miller his cap hit is crazy if they did. This was the only option
Something no one is mentioning is that the Bills have 11 draft picks this coming draft, so cutting those players is much easier to do when you have that kind of flexibility
They have late round picks tho not a lot of early picks
@@Kevin-ws6bl2 threes 2 fours, enough to find quality players
@@Kevin-ws6bl Wrong
The bills suck though and now they really really suck now....😂 Good Luck trying to compete with the eventually back to back to back Champions...
@@pierrerideaux9169 Who hurt you?
Florio watching Eastbound and Down wasn’t something I ever expected
right? me either - but why not, it's a funny ass show
Yeah, that was unexpected. Referring to a jetski as "that thing Kenny Powers rides" is funny
Not one mention that these guys are all 30 years old with their best years far behind them. Nice journalistic work, Florio and Simms. It's a needed reset of an aging roster. More to come for the Bills. I believe every one of them were on their third contract. That's the Story! Third contracts are sticky wickets. One would think Florio would have some thoughts on third contracts in the NFL. A balanced roster would have fewer players on third contracts.
And the Bills have 11 draft picks to help ease the burden
It's not an old roster and these guys are still elite players poyer, white, morse kinda
@@johnedwards2106 No they aren't still elite lmao
Gabe Davis is 24. But this is what happens when you pay your QB.
@@matthewm7487 Gabe Davis wasn't released; his contract expired. He is also as mid as it gets and has about as limited a route tree as any WR2 in the league.
The Saints are in it every year because they don't "fix it", they keep pushing it to the future. What the Bills did, even if traumatic, is the right thing. Purge the cap, use your 11 draft picks to revamp the roster, trust that your star QB can keep you on track for the year and go back at it next year. You're not tanking, you're reloading.
Von Miller was stealing money with his performance on the field. Giving back some money was the right thing to do.
He owes more
the problem with the Bills is, the injuries. no team had more money taken up by guys who barely played last season, or were coming back from major injuries and didnt contribute much. now Allens contract really kicks in. cant pay everybody, need to actually field a team. you saw it with the Chefs last season, ya they won another SB, but they struggled because it was hard to surround Mahomes with talent at basement prices. Bills went for it, and the injuries killed them. now they have to try and find diamonds in the rough to surround Allen. its going to be a rough offseason.
Every team deals with injuries in the NFL, Buffalo had no depth to cover for injuries.
Cutting half the team due to salary cap isn't going to help with depth.
Every team deals with injuries, every team top 3 highest paid defensive players don't get hurt, no one has great depth behind their highest paid, or you wouldn't pay them that much@@vinyllpreviews9462
@@vinyllpreviews9462nah we had depth. Just no depth for the depth that then got injured
The problem is the GM is highly overrated. Beane finally making good moves.
With Allen or Dawkins extension n taron Johnson as well. Buffalo will have 41 mill to spend . Crazy. That’s how you play with the cap. As long as you have rich owner willing to pay bonuses ahead lol
We only have around half a roster not counting the PS players from last year. Even if all 11 draft picks made the team we would still need to bring in 14 more players. Even if we had 40 million which we won't, that doesn't get you very much when you need 25+/- players
@@billsfeverthey've got a shitload of guys under contract compared to other teams. They just have a few glaring holes. Already signed Edwards who can start at LG assuming McGovern moves to center as has been reported. They signed Rapp who will start at SS. They need a FS, DE, and DT. Resign Daquan, Epenesa (or another guy from that tier), and you can get a FS that's better than 2023 Hyde for 5 million or less. WR can get cheaper and better than Gabe for 5 million or less with someone like Noah Brown or Josh Reynolds. The rest can be near minimum depth guys and draft picks. That's not half a roster.
Beane earned that paycheck today.
Thanks Von for the home town discount!
The man is a gem. My favourite Bronco of all time
Part of me wishes von would have been let go so he could come home to Denver and finish his career here.
@@heavymetallabratFans were gutted when he left the Broncos that should never have happened!
I think he still has gas in tank I think they trade up for odunze or someone in the draft or amarius mims would be perfect for them and just help Josh Allen and Joe Brady
@@broncosbest6441 I agree.
What about the SAINTS LMAOOO they keep pushing and never release
Phillips is also gone...Settle might be too. They are nowhere near worth what they're getting paid.
Nothing about what the Bills did was stunning.
Exactly they are all going in on the correct moves Beane made. He got them back without losing the core group. Younger was needed.
It was time. All these guys are fading. Redo Josh and a few more and the Bills are looking at 30+ mil to spend...11 draft picks? Beane's gonna trade up at some point..mark my words. As a Bills fan I'm excited. Miller wants to be a GM someday...he's taking lessons from Beane😊
Chris looks hungover again
Nah, Just Probably High Again.
Not that good of a Team so I doubt this sways any more looses there way, Josh deserves a better coach fur sure
Are we really back to saying Josh Allen is the best football player behind Mahomes?
😂😂😂
It is almost like when Mahomes isn't on the screen beating a team, everyone forgets he exists. The 49ers were favorites for the next Super bowl, the day after getting beaten.
@@JohnClarkW 🤣🤣
Absolutely!
Von Miller renegotiating his deal, NOT restructuring, is massive. That singular move will may well up keeping them in contention for several years. A very selfless, team-first move made by the man. All of his money was guaranteed.
Absolutely correct and another good comment by you Areola. 😏
I'll trust the fact when Von Miller makes a total 💯 comeback I will be the one fan to let Buffalo Bills Mafia fans I Fucking told ya so Von Miller is Beast
Chances are von is done
@@JoawMebs-im6ix are you Von Millers Player agent" no i Dont freaking think sooo
buffalo would of won the damn SB had von not got hurt. ill never not believe that
Who is Nyheim Harris? 0:59
Buffalo is doing the right thing with their roster but I don’t think they will ever be able to get to the top of the afc with that head coach. He’s just simply overmatched when he goes against teams like KC and Cincinnati.
They're not overmatched they need a number to wide receiver Danny younger across the board and that's what they're doing they're getting younger faster bigger and stronger
They've just had horrible luck with injuries and team/community tragedy the past couple years. 13 seconds was coaching. Last two years was dumb bad luck. If Gabe Davis was healthy in the KC game they win by 10 or more. If the defense they fielded was the same as in the wild card round in terms of injury they win too.
Exactly
@@peterwilson48651 player is worth 13 points?
LMFAO
@@vinyllpreviews9462 the drop off from him to Trent Sherfield is massive. He personally dropped two perfectly thrown deep balls that Gabe very likely comes down with and one was a walk in tuddy. He's had some of his best games against KC pretty consistently. It was a 3 point game and would've been a 4 point loss for the Chiefs if Jones doesn't get clutch with the bull rush on Dawkins. That's with half a healthy defense. Gabe was the only boundary capable WR they had outside of Diggs. He changes what they can do on defense in the context of that game big time scheme wise.
They did the $30M increase in QB cost after 2 years of pushing the QB money forward for 2 years. And once this starts you never go back because the math doesn't work out, they will not be sub-20M till they cut the guy. You can take the cap charge once gone since you probably are paying under $10M for the QB. Von Miller was where a lot of the $30M was spent, that was not a good move, 30 year old pass rushers are only slightly better than 30 year old running backs.
Keep in mind Von wants to be a future GM so he's investing in that by taking a cut and sticking around Brandon for as long as he can.
I know how they did it!!! Pick me teacher!!!
Mitch Morse has not been a great center. He is average
How about Lenard Floyd
You can't just look at their cap number. You have to slso factor in how many players they have on their roster compared to how much money they gave available
The bills released productive guys like poyer and we resign trubisky and matt haack..this is very confusing...i hope beane can make sense of this soon
I'm wondering a few things but what might be the plan for punt/kickoff returners? Hardy was good and reliable.
Enjoyed the talk on how the cap strategy works, it's always kicking the can down the road.
Can't untill. next season he had to rework vons contract it would be a cap hit to release von miller
What are some of these players decided to retire and be coaches for the bills
Bills need to release Damar Hamlin and Diggs
Should have released Miller too, he’s done.
Saves on the salary cap
You are so right
the restructured
Can't, too big of a dead cap hit
Can't
Hey Bill's fans! Bears fan wants to know were we lucky to get Ryan OFFENSIVE LINEMAN. Should we go for center Morse? Your thoughts.....
Morse is solid. hes a great leader as well. majority of Bills fans are very sad to see him go. that being said, hes nearing the end of his career, hes old. id guess 2 maybe 3 years left. Bates, the lineman you acquired, is a swiss army knife. decent at every position, great at none.
Sure pay him and call yourselves bills NFC lol
Morse is a back of the top 10 level starter. Bates is a average-ish OG that can fill in but shouldn't start at center. He's over paid but a solid piece and probably an upgrade for Chicago.
@@sal4856 we wish
Bates is solid, but will never be great. Morse is playing on borrowed time. Surprised he played this long for the Bills, especially with his concussion history
Josh should redo his contract, make him cheap cheap, and load up.
Why does Chris have a crush on the Bill's?
HE'S IN LOVE WITH JOSH ALLEN, THAT'S WHY!
Why does Florio always look like he has Jaundice. He always looks green. Especially on Football Night in America
The camera is desaturated or something, especially compared to Sims camera. There should be continuity between the two shots but 🤷♀ Maybe because of the window in Florio's shot they have to do that.
Florio also has a health issue or two that he has disclosed on his show ( like we all do). Props to him for always bringing it!
Too much whiskey.
He said that he’s got Crohn’s disease (a digestive disease)
Treats people the right way…….not his baby mama tho
Hahah true
Von is just a thug in disguise
"Von Miller treats people the right way..." Yikes. Unless they are in a relationship with him.
Hahahah two sides to every story but you are not wrong.
Bills GM was talking about other teams and how they were avoiding releasing and restructuring players and look at them now. Clowns.
LoL when was this? It's a part of football & everyone they released were old , over the hill or irrelevant.. 🤡
Pats did it all the time during their dynasty, so what are you talking about? 🤡
Wtf is even your point Mr. Casual?
Cutting half of the team really helps when you need cap space 😂😂😂
Half the team? What crack are you on? They cut three aging players (over 30) and three special teamers lmao
@@adamant5550u dont know ur own team? thats crazy
@@jaysonsmith7264 What did I miss?
@@adamant5550 tre white? they traded away ryan bates. both kick returners. both starting safeties released mitch morse the center.
@@jaysonsmith7264 You clearly have reading comprehension issues. I clearly said "cut" aka released. They didn't release Hyde (his contract was up). To this point, they have only released White, Poyer, Morse, Neal (ST), Hynes (ST), and Hardy (ST). Get it right before calling someone out.
The salary cap makes teams mediocre.
No it makes it a level playing field..draft the right guys and FA and our team won't be..the bills are from mediocre
I disagree; it makes things interesting and is why the NFL is massively more intriguing than the NBA
A 255 million dollar cap makes teams mediocre!?? Huh??
@@emiliohuerta2790 He must be an NBA fan
@@jasonmartin9976 keep carrying that water for the owners. If what you are saying about money is true, why did the Mets, Yankees, Padres and the Red Sox not make the playoffs while Arizona and Tampa Bay make the playoffs with some of the smallest payrolls?