Enjoyed listening to the interview with John Hall. Got me thinking: if bikes are designed so repairs/adjustments are simple (due to efficient design), the cost of repairs will be lower, creating a better experience for both consumer (lower price for a repair/adjustment) and bike mechanic.
on the topic of annoying bike stuff for mechanics (or more precisely smaller shop mechanics) is bike brand specific parts that cant be purchased elsewhere but from the original bike brand for example ive recently seen a fullsus xc cube bike with brand specific bearings and a giant road bike with a brand specific derailleur hanger making it a pain in the rear when it comes to servicing bikes because you have to call up the customer and tell them you cant do whats needed and ask them to purchase the spare part themselves
Regarding the question about bikes being made for mechanics. I think it's a little bit about interest, some people do nothing with their own bikes because they are simply not interested in doing it and therefore takes it to the local bikeshop. Problem with that might be that they have to pay more to get stuff fixed when it takes longer time to fix complicated things. I myself have the interest and fix my own bike and complicated is just a mindset ;). A professional mechanic always has the time aspect and for that reason the less complicated the better. Although, One allen key for most screw on the bike would actually be a dream. But then again, there aren't too many different sizes/tools needed if compared to a used car and they are about the same price nowadays :D
Bikes could definitely benefit from being more mechanic friendly. I'm thinking about at all the tools I had to buy over the years to service them properly. Like the tools I needed to take apart forks and rear shocks, the tools needed to bleed brakes (both Shimano and SRAM), bottom bracket tools, bearing presses, etc.
Another day and another new bike with headset cable routing means another bike added to the will NEVER buy list..... keep it up bike industry and you all get exactly what you deserve.
Totally agree. Just had the pleasure to look at a focus SL headset. What usually takes 20 min now takes 1 hour. Incl disassembly of triggers. What’s the point?
Idk. External cables and hoses are vulnerable. I've snagged them, torn them when the bars spun in a crash. All of those problems g9 away when you put the cables in a safe place inside the frame.
@@jeffreydzialo I crashed once in the middle of the night in a 24hr race at Laguna Seca, grass and sand for miles around. Rear brake line got pushed into the rear tire, buzzed the line and had to do 10hours without a rear brake. Has nothing to do with the trail.
I don’t mind the semi integration but I don’t want cables near a rotating axle like the headset. When I changed the headset on my old winter bike I need to apply a decent amount of force to remove the cups. Having to deal with cables there would have been a nightmare. As I do keep most bikes for +5 years this is on top of my list- but maybe that’s just me 😊
Thanks for another thought-provoking show. For me, it is about finding a frame that fits my body. Kinda like finding a shoe with a last that properly fits my foot. Once the frame really feels good, then it comes down to buying components with enough quality to last. Components must be easy to work on to maintain, and not require complicated special tools. Regular maintenance, such as on the chain, derailleurs, cassette, brakes, bearings and cables should be straightforward. Because I like to travel off-road away from mechanical help, I want my bike to be easy to look after with a simple set of tools light enough to carry with me. Standardisation, such as the recent move towards universal derailleur hangers, ought to be across the bike industry. I liked the suggestion for a single-seat post-diameter standard. Cable outers and inners ought to be standard too. And how about a standard size-shape configuration for disc brake pads?
Glad to see the factory bikes also have boogery soft aluminum hex head edges too. (2:32) is a great shot of it. Hate working on super expensive bikes and having those aluminum bearing cap bolts do that when breaking them free.
I can honestly say, hand on heart…that as good as any might might LOOK…if it’s a pain in the ass to work on, I WILL NOT but it. I also won’t buy anything without space for a water bottle (trail & enduro bikes)
Good comments from an expert. I've been a bike mechanic on and off for over 30 years and I also feel that bikes are becoming over complicated for different reasons. New technology is all great if its better than what went before it, but to be forced to take it if you want a top end bike can be frustrating. I want top end components but not gimmicks and I feel that is becoming harder to find!
Quite happy with my cheapskate bikes, and rarely lust after new tech, but that BB at 1:42. A thing of beauty, took out every bit of unneccessary metal.
You could probably dump these things and it wouldn't matter. All of these things make bikes more complicated, expensive, and harder to work on. Electronic shifters and droppers. Through the headset cable routing. Internal cable routing. High pivot idler bikes. Remote shock and fork lockouts. Hidden in frame shocks.
That is true. However, with the exception of headset routing (kill it woth fire) and hidden shocks (objectively impressive, subjectively ridiculous), all of these do provide performance or ease of use advantages. Electronic shifting is excellent from a performance perspective, high pivot bikes are great for long travel, remote lockouts are great for XC, and internal cable routing is way easier to keep clean (how often do you change your dropper/derailleur cables anyway?). So, while I wouldn't necessarily want to see all of them on a value focused bike, as I'd prioritise simplicity as much as possible there, I do see their place in higher end bikes.
My only problem with bike cost. Is that they seem to HAVE to come out with a new model every year or so... and don't keep selling the older ones, for cheaper. Like why not keep the model year like 3years back and the new ones and then charge less for the older ones. Because the older year bikes are only SLIGHTLY cheaper then the newer year ones, If bought used... And I find that really strange. Even tho its basically the same bike with a few different degree in the head tube and some storage or whatever. But the new bikes now days are sorta the same as the ones from a few years ago. I feel like the innovation is almost at a peak and only tiny tweaks are gonna be different for now. So can we just get a model that lasts more then a few years and just gets cheaper and cheaper over the years? If you don't gotta make new molds or do RND for new stuff... Surely the price will go down fast? I would love to see the actual amount of bikes sold when they first come out and then the amount sold say 5months before a new spec normally comes out. And would people be more willing to buy that same bike if there wasn't the fear of missing out on a "new" model. Ionno
THE problem in design is the 'optimization'/'simplification' conundrum. I can optimize anything for the 99% use, but at what cost? Well; weight, cost, size, and complexity for starters. I could choose to optimize for the 50% use and create something cheap, simple, and at a reasonable weight too. The qualification to all this fun is 'what can we sell, and at what price?' This is where we get such classics as "shrink it and pink it" for the ladies, and the 'Bigger is Better' ethos of your DH Brodozers. The rest is purely art, preference, and marketability except in pure prototype racing where merchandisable design isn't an issue.
I like the one bolt size for the whole bike and the washer retainer notch they are a nice convenience. I am a alloy boy because carbon is expensive to repair and I know how to weld.
As a mechanic, I had to look, who's the worlds best one, in your opinion or his own??!?? Now I know who you choose! The worlds best specialist for Chains, Chain mounting and chain durability 🤣😂👍‼️
Due to the advanced tech in mtb the bikes have become more dealership oriented for maintenance/servicing and repair. Much like cars. Leaving the end user at there mercy. Bring back simplification
The whole idea of that hybrid air+spring shock seems sketchy. The reason to go with a spring and the added weight is to avoid the air seals which cause added friction and less sensitivity. Now you add both the extra weight of the spring and the air seals? That seems like the worst of both worlds to me. Just a marketing scam.
In regards to bike costs. It's very much the same for the company I work for. I work for Cummins the engine manufacturers here in the UK. Over the past few years ie. Post covid. We have been hit by massive supply issues including shipping costs which in some cases rose by almost 1000%. Yes 1000%. Especially from places like China. And unfortunately that's not an amount that the manufacturer can just swallow. So in a lot of cases (although I do understand not all cases) it not the manufacturers fault. The shipping companies blamed COVID and fuel prices, and anyone living in the UK knows how greedy and corrupt the fuel companies are, these prices are still not coming down so in short it's only going to get worse and as consumers we will suffer but also as manufacturers like poor Nukeproof they are now suffering. I personally blame the fuel companies mostly
I will share this with everyone.. I just got into mountain biking and the last time I rode a bike I was 16 years old and I’m 45 today. I’m an engineer by trade. I bought a 2022 V2, Santa Cruz Hightower brand new. I immediately started researching how to upgrade the bike within less than a month. I was able to strip my bike down and rebuild it with some of the best parts around full suspension..I was able to figure out how to upgrade to the best drivetrain how to get rid of all my wires and to purchase the correct tools to do the job properly. I have never worked on a bike in my entire life and I was able to figure out and learn…my bike now has gone from a $4000 bill to almost $9000 bill .. having bikes that are custom and unique to your personality is what matters having a bike that gives you emotional attachment is what matters.. not having a bike that’s assembled by someone who is not passionate ..who you have no emotional attachment to. You become a better rider by being emotionally attached to the bike that you’re riding when you’re able to put in your headphones zone out to a song that you absolutely love and cry behind the wheel of your cockpit that’s what matters.
I couldn't agree more , as I custom build my bicycles . The internal headset cable layout is neat but can still twist with multiple steerer rotations .
Internal headset is the big boys running out of ideas and trying to give us the new "must have" unfortunately if they did proper research only newbi falls for this crap, anyone who maintained there own bikes no this is a no go, am going to guess 70% already no this, going of the fact 98% of stats are made up on the spot
Ironic to hear Hall say he wants a standard seatpost size, then not mention 34.9mm-objectively the best seatpost diameter. Not just from a performance perspective (bigger tube diameter=stiffer and more space for internals), but also because with shims literally every existing dropper post can be used in a 34.9 seattube. Can't say that about the other sizes.
@floydblandston108 Seattube diameter has nothing to do with frame stiffness and everything to do with dropper posts, especially with the increased prevalenc]e of long droppers (200mm+) as seatpost stiffness in that instance is determined mostly by the inner stanchion of the post. Also being able to switch your preferred post between bikes is nice, and you can't if you bought a 31.6 post then change to a bike with a 30.9 tube. If you're just using a fixed post, then whatever the bike comes with is fine, even if it's just 27.2 (preferably that one, actually, for some compliance).
@floydblandston108 My initial comment was clearly specifically talking about his comment about standardising seattube diameter for dropper posts. When you then brought up steel bikes, I reiterated that 34.9mm Dropper posts are superior to 30.9/31.6mm posts, not just in performance (although they are), but also because it's the only size that's cross compatible with every other post size with shims, so the frame material is irrelevant to this conversation. If you care so much about frame weight that you're willing to intentionally use an inferior dropper post, why on earth would you be using steel? I love steel bikes as much as anyone, but weight is NOT a good reason to pick one. Not to mention, it's ironic that you're calling me pedantic when you're the one complaining about the aesthetics of a 12% increase in tube diameter.
What would he consider as high travel and low travel for the high and low pivot? It's a interesting statement, and may be can be elaborated on the next video?
Can we guess what hardtails... cause we can you sponsored out your heads to the the point it's embarrassing (seriously) so I'll throw the obvious in... canyon?! Orbea by any chance? Let's not forget the scout.... throw some wildcards in, vitus nucleus, voodoo.... If you had any sense or didn't sell your soul to your sponsors you'd be talking the classics, P7 and crush, San quentin, Blue pig, Bfe, Big trail, Kahuna, Raleigh max, hello dave, Jack flash, dartmoor, Bob cat, Moxie, chameleon, sonder ti, arc, banshee.... got bored now but you get the picture
It's a round-up of 2023's freshest hardtails, and while we agree with you, none of those bikes came out this year, however, many of them got an honourable mention for being long-standing favourites. 😇
Hmm not sure, the dropper on my trek is wide can't remember dimensions, but 2 years in it still working fine. My hardtail with 31.6 needs servicing every 12 months
Stuff has to be designed to price and be easy to assemble in factory the idea of easy to build and strip sometimes makes stuff heavier and more expensive to produce.
We can hear you!!!!! We cant see the bikes. Why a dizzying quick cut focus, constantly changing the view back to selfie?................... I was lead to believe this channels purpose, intent is bikes and the parts, please "clearly" display them.
Enjoyed listening to the interview with John Hall. Got me thinking: if bikes are designed so repairs/adjustments are simple (due to efficient design), the cost of repairs will be lower, creating a better experience for both consumer (lower price for a repair/adjustment) and bike mechanic.
on the topic of annoying bike stuff for mechanics (or more precisely smaller shop mechanics) is bike brand specific parts that cant be purchased elsewhere but from the original bike brand for example ive recently seen a fullsus xc cube bike with brand specific bearings and a giant road bike with a brand specific derailleur hanger making it a pain in the rear when it comes to servicing bikes because you have to call up the customer and tell them you cant do whats needed and ask them to purchase the spare part themselves
EVERY engineer should be forced to assemble and disassemble whatever they design prior to production. You'll see a whole lot of better designs.
This sounds like a very niche gameshow 😂
I really love talking to engineers,mechanics,riders,managers etc.. (people involved in competitions)
Regarding the question about bikes being made for mechanics.
I think it's a little bit about interest, some people do nothing with their own bikes because they are simply not interested in doing it and therefore takes it to the local bikeshop. Problem with that might be that they have to pay more to get stuff fixed when it takes longer time to fix complicated things. I myself have the interest and fix my own bike and complicated is just a mindset ;). A professional mechanic always has the time aspect and for that reason the less complicated the better.
Although, One allen key for most screw on the bike would actually be a dream. But then again, there aren't too many different sizes/tools needed if compared to a used car and they are about the same price nowadays :D
I’m soooo happy to ride a low tech rigid single speed. No faff, thank you very much.
Bikes could definitely benefit from being more mechanic friendly. I'm thinking about at all the tools I had to buy over the years to service them properly. Like the tools I needed to take apart forks and rear shocks, the tools needed to bleed brakes (both Shimano and SRAM), bottom bracket tools, bearing presses, etc.
Quality rules in John Hall's Garage @ 1:34. There is no room for misunderstanding.
Another day and another new bike with headset cable routing means another bike added to the will NEVER buy list..... keep it up bike industry and you all get exactly what you deserve.
Totally agree. Just had the pleasure to look at a focus SL headset. What usually takes 20 min now takes 1 hour. Incl disassembly of triggers. What’s the point?
Idk. External cables and hoses are vulnerable. I've snagged them, torn them when the bars spun in a crash.
All of those problems g9 away when you put the cables in a safe place inside the frame.
@@jeffreydzialo I crashed once in the middle of the night in a 24hr race at Laguna Seca, grass and sand for miles around. Rear brake line got pushed into the rear tire, buzzed the line and had to do 10hours without a rear brake. Has nothing to do with the trail.
Agreed
I don’t mind the semi integration but I don’t want cables near a rotating axle like the headset. When I changed the headset on my old winter bike I need to apply a decent amount of force to remove the cups. Having to deal with cables there would have been a nightmare. As I do keep most bikes for +5 years this is on top of my list- but maybe that’s just me 😊
Love the Tech Show format these days. Anna and Owen are a great combo, just the right amount of jargon and detail that isn’t boring!
Bike cave Croatia: you really don't want to miss a shot on that darts board. 😂
My bike is a budget, but fits me well n very comfortable so much so that i can ride it all day, its future proof, and service friendly!
Thanks for another thought-provoking show.
For me, it is about finding a frame that fits my body. Kinda like finding a shoe with a last that properly fits my foot. Once the frame really feels good, then it comes down to buying components with enough quality to last. Components must be easy to work on to maintain, and not require complicated special tools. Regular maintenance, such as on the chain, derailleurs, cassette, brakes, bearings and cables should be straightforward.
Because I like to travel off-road away from mechanical help, I want my bike to be easy to look after with a simple set of tools light enough to carry with me. Standardisation, such as the recent move towards universal derailleur hangers, ought to be across the bike industry. I liked the suggestion for a single-seat post-diameter standard. Cable outers and inners ought to be standard too. And how about a standard size-shape configuration for disc brake pads?
That's funny, because before the advent of replaceable derailleur hangers, all derailleurs fitted the (integrated) hangers.
Glad to see the factory bikes also have boogery soft aluminum hex head edges too. (2:32) is a great shot of it. Hate working on super expensive bikes and having those aluminum bearing cap bolts do that when breaking them free.
the fact such high end bikes don't use titanium or torx bolts to prevent this is insane to me
I can honestly say, hand on heart…that as good as any might might LOOK…if it’s a pain in the ass to work on, I WILL NOT but it.
I also won’t buy anything without space for a water bottle (trail & enduro bikes)
I always love to hear about hardtails!
The nuckproof scout 290 has to be in there. For the performance and how cheap you can get them on deals.
Good comments from an expert. I've been a bike mechanic on and off for over 30 years and I also feel that bikes are becoming over complicated for different reasons. New technology is all great if its better than what went before it, but to be forced to take it if you want a top end bike can be frustrating. I want top end components but not gimmicks and I feel that is becoming harder to find!
This is why I love Gmbn..
Quite happy with my cheapskate bikes, and rarely lust after new tech, but that BB at 1:42. A thing of beauty, took out every bit of unneccessary metal.
You could probably dump these things and it wouldn't matter. All of these things make bikes more complicated, expensive, and harder to work on.
Electronic shifters and droppers.
Through the headset cable routing.
Internal cable routing.
High pivot idler bikes.
Remote shock and fork lockouts.
Hidden in frame shocks.
That is true. However, with the exception of headset routing (kill it woth fire) and hidden shocks (objectively impressive, subjectively ridiculous), all of these do provide performance or ease of use advantages.
Electronic shifting is excellent from a performance perspective, high pivot bikes are great for long travel, remote lockouts are great for XC, and internal cable routing is way easier to keep clean (how often do you change your dropper/derailleur cables anyway?).
So, while I wouldn't necessarily want to see all of them on a value focused bike, as I'd prioritise simplicity as much as possible there, I do see their place in higher end bikes.
No headset routing ! ! ! It's a nightmare... from broken cables to preparing a bike for a customer even if it's new...
I think a longer format interview podcast type show with people from the industry would be really interesting to watch.
I love bikes!
My only problem with bike cost. Is that they seem to HAVE to come out with a new model every year or so... and don't keep selling the older ones, for cheaper. Like why not keep the model year like 3years back and the new ones and then charge less for the older ones. Because the older year bikes are only SLIGHTLY cheaper then the newer year ones, If bought used... And I find that really strange. Even tho its basically the same bike with a few different degree in the head tube and some storage or whatever.
But the new bikes now days are sorta the same as the ones from a few years ago. I feel like the innovation is almost at a peak and only tiny tweaks are gonna be different for now. So can we just get a model that lasts more then a few years and just gets cheaper and cheaper over the years? If you don't gotta make new molds or do RND for new stuff... Surely the price will go down fast? I would love to see the actual amount of bikes sold when they first come out and then the amount sold say 5months before a new spec normally comes out. And would people be more willing to buy that same bike if there wasn't the fear of missing out on a "new" model. Ionno
Hey, that's my dining room bike cave.
THE problem in design is the 'optimization'/'simplification' conundrum. I can optimize anything for the 99% use, but at what cost? Well; weight, cost, size, and complexity for starters. I could choose to optimize for the 50% use and create something cheap, simple, and at a reasonable weight too. The qualification to all this fun is 'what can we sell, and at what price?' This is where we get such classics as "shrink it and pink it" for the ladies, and the 'Bigger is Better' ethos of your DH Brodozers. The rest is purely art, preference, and marketability except in pure prototype racing where merchandisable design isn't an issue.
I like the one bolt size for the whole bike and the washer retainer notch they are a nice convenience. I am a alloy boy because carbon is expensive to repair and I know how to weld.
Carbon, gearbox, electronic...cha-ching!
😅
the bottom bracket on carbon frames is a problem that needs fixing. Glued in metal threads inside a carbon casing is just not good 😢
As a mechanic, I had to look, who's the worlds best one, in your opinion or his own??!??
Now I know who you choose! The worlds best specialist for Chains, Chain mounting and chain durability 🤣😂👍‼️
5:15 Internal routed cables are the worst invention of the last decade. Whoever invented those deserves a place in hell.
We had the question: Can Doody shred? Now we need Can Owen shred? 😂
If your doody shreds you need to eat more fiber.
Due to the advanced tech in mtb the bikes have become more dealership oriented for maintenance/servicing and repair. Much like cars. Leaving the end user at there mercy. Bring back simplification
The shock shaft is barely stressed other than longitudinally. it doesn't need to be thick.
The whole idea of that hybrid air+spring shock seems sketchy. The reason to go with a spring and the added weight is to avoid the air seals which cause added friction and less sensitivity. Now you add both the extra weight of the spring and the air seals? That seems like the worst of both worlds to me. Just a marketing scam.
All bolts are 6mm?
the stuff of dreams...
In regards to bike costs. It's very much the same for the company I work for. I work for Cummins the engine manufacturers here in the UK. Over the past few years ie. Post covid. We have been hit by massive supply issues including shipping costs which in some cases rose by almost 1000%. Yes 1000%. Especially from places like China. And unfortunately that's not an amount that the manufacturer can just swallow. So in a lot of cases (although I do understand not all cases) it not the manufacturers fault. The shipping companies blamed COVID and fuel prices, and anyone living in the UK knows how greedy and corrupt the fuel companies are, these prices are still not coming down so in short it's only going to get worse and as consumers we will suffer but also as manufacturers like poor Nukeproof they are now suffering. I personally blame the fuel companies mostly
Please teach us how to do things. Not much this week.
Wheel truing video coming out this Saturday! 👌
techead , bikes are simple or die !
I will share this with everyone.. I just got into mountain biking and the last time I rode a bike I was 16 years old and I’m 45 today. I’m an engineer by trade. I bought a 2022 V2, Santa Cruz Hightower brand new. I immediately started researching how to upgrade the bike within less than a month. I was able to strip my bike down and rebuild it with some of the best parts around full suspension..I was able to figure out how to upgrade to the best drivetrain how to get rid of all my wires and to purchase the correct tools to do the job properly. I have never worked on a bike in my entire life and I was able to figure out and learn…my bike now has gone from a $4000 bill to almost $9000 bill .. having bikes that are custom and unique to your personality is what matters having a bike that gives you emotional attachment is what matters.. not having a bike that’s assembled by someone who is not passionate ..who you have no emotional attachment to. You become a better rider by being emotionally attached to the bike that you’re riding when you’re able to put in your headphones zone out to a song that you absolutely love and cry behind the wheel of your cockpit that’s what matters.
I couldn't agree more , as I custom build my bicycles . The internal headset cable layout is neat but can still twist with multiple steerer rotations .
Internal headset is the big boys running out of ideas and trying to give us the new "must have" unfortunately if they did proper research only newbi falls for this crap, anyone who maintained there own bikes no this is a no go, am going to guess 70% already no this, going of the fact 98% of stats are made up on the spot
Ironic to hear Hall say he wants a standard seatpost size, then not mention 34.9mm-objectively the best seatpost diameter.
Not just from a performance perspective (bigger tube diameter=stiffer and more space for internals), but also because with shims literally every existing dropper post can be used in a 34.9 seattube. Can't say that about the other sizes.
Steel bikes, as a thing, exist, and have no need for oversized tubing.
@floydblandston108 Seattube diameter has nothing to do with frame stiffness and everything to do with dropper posts, especially with the increased prevalenc]e of long droppers (200mm+) as seatpost stiffness in that instance is determined mostly by the inner stanchion of the post. Also being able to switch your preferred post between bikes is nice, and you can't if you bought a 31.6 post then change to a bike with a 30.9 tube.
If you're just using a fixed post, then whatever the bike comes with is fine, even if it's just 27.2 (preferably that one, actually, for some compliance).
@@gpearce11 - your pedantry misdirects you; the question is *why* would I want the weight and oversized appearance of a large tube on a steel bike?
@floydblandston108 My initial comment was clearly specifically talking about his comment about standardising seattube diameter for dropper posts. When you then brought up steel bikes, I reiterated that 34.9mm Dropper posts are superior to 30.9/31.6mm posts, not just in performance (although they are), but also because it's the only size that's cross compatible with every other post size with shims, so the frame material is irrelevant to this conversation.
If you care so much about frame weight that you're willing to intentionally use an inferior dropper post, why on earth would you be using steel? I love steel bikes as much as anyone, but weight is NOT a good reason to pick one. Not to mention, it's ironic that you're calling me pedantic when you're the one complaining about the aesthetics of a 12% increase in tube diameter.
@@gpearce11 - did he mention standardizing seat post diameter 'for dropper posts'?
What would he consider as high travel and low travel for the high and low pivot? It's a interesting statement, and may be can be elaborated on the next video?
Anything over 160
Frame travel
#askgmbntech #teamrumours - with John Hall opting for 'Gearbox' (instead of 6 or 12 speed) - does that point to a move to another team? Gamux....?
To be fair I've always thought gearbox or pinion systems will colab with ebike eventually
@@JoeJoe-C137 it's already starting... ;)
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Aloha.😎🤙
Genius
Where is Doddy?
Can we guess what hardtails... cause we can you sponsored out your heads to the the point it's embarrassing (seriously) so I'll throw the obvious in... canyon?! Orbea by any chance? Let's not forget the scout.... throw some wildcards in, vitus nucleus, voodoo....
If you had any sense or didn't sell your soul to your sponsors you'd be talking the classics, P7 and crush, San quentin, Blue pig, Bfe, Big trail, Kahuna, Raleigh max, hello dave, Jack flash, dartmoor, Bob cat, Moxie, chameleon, sonder ti, arc, banshee.... got bored now but you get the picture
It's a round-up of 2023's freshest hardtails, and while we agree with you, none of those bikes came out this year, however, many of them got an honourable mention for being long-standing favourites. 😇
Haha quality
Buy an orange 🍊 bike… simple
P7 or clockwork
@@JoeJoe-C137 I have alpine 6 factory 👌🏻
Never ridden one, how's it doing?
No iiiif we get wider droppers we copuld have tre klayer of telescope instead of two, much bertter, longer and not so long.
Hmm not sure, the dropper on my trek is wide can't remember dimensions, but 2 years in it still working fine. My hardtail with 31.6 needs servicing every 12 months
Stuff has to be designed to price and be easy to assemble in factory the idea of easy to build and strip sometimes makes stuff heavier and more expensive to produce.
Take your rock and .......z
Sounds like he's describing Whyte bikes
I rate whyte, g180 only used my mates for a few runs on bike swap and it was beast
We can hear you!!!!! We cant see the bikes. Why a dizzying quick cut focus, constantly changing the view back to selfie?................... I was lead to believe this channels purpose, intent is bikes and the parts, please "clearly" display them.
Bikes today are just full of gimmicks! Garbage designs just to try and sell it with no proof of these designs even working, simplicity is the best!
she said.. "big shaft"
👎🏾👎🏾👎🏾🤮🤮🤮
What happened to all the male presenters?
Panda-something south park reference
They couldn't find a diverse unicorn over 60 who knew what they was talking about
THEY ARE TO GOD DAMN EXPENSIVE
P.s. I'm in no way a cheap person I drive an M3 but $10g's for a fucking bike????