Thank you so much for uploading this video! I've searched TH-cam so long for in-depth slice drop shots and this video by far is the most in-depth explanation of how to hit and how it looks like. Thank you so much.
Come on, I didn't even wait this eagerly for GOT. I need this shot in my arsenal and now due to corona outbreak, can't go out and play. Best thing is to practise at home.
Aloha Coach Tobias, awesome shots to add to my shot arsenal. This shot once mastered will make any drop shot more deadly the slice and reverse drop shots become incredibly effective when setting up opponents expecting a conventional drop shot. The spin and steeper angle will surprise opponents. Deception and tempo will also drive opponents crazy. Thank you for this well thought out video. You are an awesome coach.
Very well produced video. I like this shot. It is very deceptive and good to have in your arsenal. Glad that it can be used effectively in men’s doubles.
Why there’s no explanation about the role of the wrist in these shots? I‘m quite curious because In Indonesia we are being taught we use our wrist in almost every shots in slice shots we can try to control the depth of our slice with our wrist...the more we spin our wrist make the more closer to the net our slice shots. It‘s really interesting slight difference technique I found so far.
On the forehand the movement for the straight reverse slice goes more sideways than the movement from the cross drop on the round the head corner. You also hit it more beside the body what makes it harder to control the slice.
I was hoping that no one will ask 😬 I actually finished the video but then couldn't find it anymore on my Computer when i wanted to upload 🙈🙈 i hope i will find it someday
What about normal slice straight forehand drop shot from overhead position (backhand) like Momota? That is super hard to play. Also, can you add more "steepnes" by playing not at 3, but at 2 or 10 respectively? Thanks!
As you say the straight drop with slice on the forehand is extremly hard. Rajiv Ouseph was in my eyes the player, that got that shot to perfection but almost no players are really good at it or use it at all. I you want to play it you have to slice more over the shuttle so I would say around 1 or maybe even 12 o'clock depending on where you hit it. But really hard to get the timing right and hit it with control. And second question: Yes you can hit a little higher (2 or 10) if you want to play it steeper =)
Hey Tobias, I think a tutorial on the basic drop shot would be a good idea for a future video. Two of the other major badminton channels have them but honestly they don't look right too me compared to the professionals. Perhaps from your singles background you could shed some more light on this topic.
superb with the drop shot .Can you put somestuff over how to recover from negative points during rallies or how to recover back into rallies after oppenent imposes some deceptive shots.?
Really high quality video, synthetic and instructive :) When you reverse slice from the forehand side you dont seem to hit the feather (or the left side of the shuttle), is it really a slice?
Nice video. Thanks for this. Can I know what was the racket you are using which is shown in this video and also what grip you have put for racket. Just curiosity.
@@tobiaswadenka8435 Thanks. I am an in between intermediate and advanced doubles club player who loves to try different shots in my game. Mostly I enjoy my game at net play, do love smash sometimes but my strength and concentration will be always in placement. Why I am explaining this is, do you have any suggestion for me in racket as I am looking for new one and also recommendation of string tension. I hope with my description would have given an overview of what type of player I am and I always look for improving my game. Looking forward to your reply.
Hi Tobias. Can you help with one moment please ? It still not clear how to find the correct point of contact for forehand slice. When you approach the shuttle for forehand slice cross court , do you approach it like for smash (to keep the shuttle more in front of you) or like for clear (so that the shuttle is above you)? In other words what should be the angle\contact point of attack for this shot ?
I don't have so much problem for reverse slice and slice cross, but for the straight slice which I like to use, but it always goes to outside the sides, do you still hit it from 9 or 3 o'clock or is it different ?.. Thanks tobias for video though great explanation as usual.
Try to hit it a little bit more in front of you, that will compensate. Try also to use more of a sideways movment, where at the round the head corner you go more into the shuttle and really hit it at 9 o'cloock on the side
When doing a forehand cross slice or late rearcourt straight slice (recovery shot), some people change the forehand grip to a more neutral (i mean with the thumb at the same level as the index) and use the wrist action to generate more spin, do you recommend it ? Personally, the pronation movement does not seem natural and I feel that I have to snap my wrist a little bit when using the standard forehand grip, that's why I revert to the method above
Yes that helps to get more slice into it or do it with a more natural movement but again here: Good opponents will figure out the different grip/racket position and it will be easier for them to read your shots. With the late straight slice it is more about control and not deception so there I would recommend to turn it a little. When you play on a higher level and don't want to show to early what you do it can be a disadvantage.
Tobias, my drop and slice travels like a Rainbow, it lands on opponents court slow resulting in minimal effect of deception. Will it be because I'm hitting with wrong wrist movement, wrong direction of racquet face, wrong swing ? Please, help me out...
Maybe you hit it not enough in front of you or you go under the shuttle with the racket, Try to hit it more like a smash in front of you and with a faster movment. That will create the deception
My coach (coach Halim Haryanto Ho) makes me jump and slice the bird faster to the ground.. such a tiring technique but I guess that's the Indo style.. of course I fail half the time on the speed.
I never tried that one so i cannot help you but maybe anyone else? Btw I would always recommend to try a racket out and see how it feels for you, no matter what others or the racket description says ;)
Weil man aktuell keine Schläger testen darf, aber ich merke, dass du dich sehr gut auskennst, weil du mit nem Arcsaber spielst fürn Doppel und Mixed: Arcsaber 11 oder Astrox 88s?
Habe den Astrox 88s vor längerem mal getestet und fand ihn auch sehr gut besonders im doppel im Vorderfeld. Für mich persönlich ist der AS11 aber einfach unschlagbar vor allem bzgl. Allround einsatz
Hi Tobias and thanks for your videos, always useful and accurate. I've been learned to slightly change the grip for the forehand slice. Basicaly, I rotate the racket before the shot to make the slice easy. What do you think about that ? Is that only for beginners ?
Yes you can do it to make it easier in the beginning. From a certain level you will see that players can read small details like that so the deception of the slice is not really working so good anymore so that is important to keep in mind
You mean in doubles or singles? You can do it but usually it is more relaxed to serve the other way round and it also makes it easier to cover court for the next shot
The goal should not be to fake shots, but to make all shots look the same for as long as possible. Slicing is something, that only happens in the very last moment of the hitting phase so actually there is no way to fake a slice in that way I would say.
They can't see the grip... But they can see the angle of the racket face. So forehand V grip used on right side has racket face facing the net. If I am pro player and I see that racket is not exactly facing straight to net but rather slightly cross (to cross court side) I will know you're trying to hit slice with same motion for the straight shot.
I don't see why this should be a problem if you stay away from other people and I think the mask is also unnecessary if you stay in your own homeyard. The cheaper masks only help if you already are infected, because they reduce the risk that you infect someone else
Thank you so much for uploading this video! I've searched TH-cam so long for in-depth slice drop shots and this video by far is the most in-depth explanation of how to hit and how it looks like. Thank you so much.
2:49 Background Tobi looking badass 😎
The slow Mos really help thank you!
Come on, I didn't even wait this eagerly for GOT. I need this shot in my arsenal and now due to corona outbreak, can't go out and play. Best thing is to practise at home.
Ankur Vashishtha I feel yu bruh cant play cuz of that damn corona
Get an autofeeder.
My exams are over..& I have some 20 days to relax & play but this corona virus is completely against me 😭😭😢 it came only after ma exams 😭
Corona 😠....
Rebel Quadron FPV we don’t have enuf money
My only option is shadow badminton at home or in the park
Aloha Coach Tobias, awesome shots to add to my shot arsenal. This shot once mastered will make any drop shot more deadly the slice and reverse drop shots become incredibly effective when setting up opponents expecting a conventional drop shot. The spin and steeper angle will surprise opponents. Deception and tempo will also drive opponents crazy. Thank you for this well thought out video. You are an awesome coach.
The numbering is really useful!
That's Amazing Tutorial for Slice Shots. Impeccable.....👏👏
OMG You're explaination skills are so good keep it up man
Thank you so much. I will 😊🔥
Very clear and well explained, thank you very much.
Cant wait to practice it 😅
Great slow motion video with complete explanation!
Very well produced video.
I like this shot. It is very deceptive and good to have in your arsenal.
Glad that it can be used effectively in men’s doubles.
thanks bro for the tutorial i will try it next week against my friends :)
Thank you for this tutorial. Very nice (esp. the slow motion part) 😃👍😃👍😃👍
Great video. Love the detail you go into and the HD camera and great video angles!
Ur videos have practical info buddy ..it helps alot just need to practice that ..Thanx manh.
Liked, then watched. Great video!
Super Video Tobias! Danke Schon!
Great video 👏👏👏! Very well explained 😊👌. Looking forward to the next ones 😎🎉🚀!
great explanation sir,keep it up
Super Video. Hilft sehr weiter, keep up the good work ;)
I love that red string on the Arcsaber 11, the logo stencil might look better with white paint
I tried but it looks strange/is hard to see because of the white crosses
@@tobiaswadenka8435 Aerobite right?
@@aahhhhhhh726 yes
@@tobiaswadenka8435 I love your setup tho, Arcsaber 11, red and white Aerobite string. Something that I can only dream of.
Nice trick bro
thx for doing this video, my request: can you do various ways (single vs double) of smash defense from mid-court area
Yes when I have a chance to get back into a hall again ;) Everything locked down here for the next couple of weeks
Awesome....Thank You For this !!!
Great video again man. Im sorry if ths sounds rude but u remind me a lot of linus sebastian from linustechtips. He loves badminton too
Thanks and no worries. I already heard that from a few people 😅
Masterful. Thumbs up.
Why there’s no explanation about the role of the wrist in these shots? I‘m quite curious because In Indonesia we are being taught we use our wrist in almost every shots in slice shots we can try to control the depth of our slice with our wrist...the more we spin our wrist make the more closer to the net our slice shots. It‘s really interesting slight difference technique I found so far.
Brother please tell that drops are sliced.... Can smashes, clear can be sliced in same way????
Hi Tobias! Nice video as always! :) Question: Why it is much difficult to execute the reverse slice in the forehand side? Thanks!
On the forehand the movement for the straight reverse slice goes more sideways than the movement from the cross drop on the round the head corner. You also hit it more beside the body what makes it harder to control the slice.
Good luck sir
Super video thank you!
detailed video of reverse slice forehand side
Hi Tobias. Have you made the video about learning to slice you talk about at the end? Thanks.
I was hoping that no one will ask 😬 I actually finished the video but then couldn't find it anymore on my Computer when i wanted to upload 🙈🙈 i hope i will find it someday
What about normal slice straight forehand drop shot from overhead position (backhand) like Momota? That is super hard to play. Also, can you add more "steepnes" by playing not at 3, but at 2 or 10 respectively? Thanks!
As you say the straight drop with slice on the forehand is extremly hard. Rajiv Ouseph was in my eyes the player, that got that shot to perfection but almost no players are really good at it or use it at all. I you want to play it you have to slice more over the shuttle so I would say around 1 or maybe even 12 o'clock depending on where you hit it. But really hard to get the timing right and hit it with control.
And second question: Yes you can hit a little higher (2 or 10) if you want to play it steeper =)
thank you sir
Hey Tobias, I think a tutorial on the basic drop shot would be a good idea for a future video. Two of the other major badminton channels have them but honestly they don't look right too me compared to the professionals. Perhaps from your singles background you could shed some more light on this topic.
Good one ...
Better clarity of thought
Better camera work 👍
superb with the drop shot .Can you put somestuff over how to recover from negative points during rallies or how to recover back into rallies after oppenent imposes some deceptive shots.?
I will think about it :)
Really high quality video, synthetic and instructive :) When you reverse slice from the forehand side you dont seem to hit the feather (or the left side of the shuttle), is it really a slice?
How about a mirrored video for left handed players??
I'm a right handed player btw 😸
& nice video 😺👍👌🎉
Nice video. Thanks for this. Can I know what was the racket you are using which is shown in this video and also what grip you have put for racket. Just curiosity.
I use the ArcSaber 11 with a normal Overgrip
@@tobiaswadenka8435 Thanks. I am an in between intermediate and advanced doubles club player who loves to try different shots in my game. Mostly I enjoy my game at net play, do love smash sometimes but my strength and concentration will be always in placement. Why I am explaining this is, do you have any suggestion for me in racket as I am looking for new one and also recommendation of string tension. I hope with my description would have given an overview of what type of player I am and I always look for improving my game. Looking forward to your reply.
Sir do video on perfect placement shots
Have you seen the one I did on precision: th-cam.com/video/j7B4UAIT71s/w-d-xo.html
Worth waiting. :-)
Nice Video with great editing 👌
Can you please make a video about flexibility training? Which stretching exercises are you doing?
Excellent!
Hi Tobias. Can you help with one moment please ? It still not clear how to find the correct point of contact for forehand slice. When you approach the shuttle for forehand slice cross court , do you approach it like for smash (to keep the shuttle more in front of you) or like for clear (so that the shuttle is above you)? In other words what should be the angle\contact point of attack for this shot ?
Both is possible. You can even hit a slice behind the body to change tempo and direction
@@tobiaswadenka8435 Thank you !
Can hit smash and clear like that brother?
I don't have so much problem for reverse slice and slice cross, but for the straight slice which I like to use, but it always goes to outside the sides, do you still hit it from 9 or 3 o'clock or is it different ?..
Thanks tobias for video though great explanation as usual.
Try to hit it a little bit more in front of you, that will compensate. Try also to use more of a sideways movment, where at the round the head corner you go more into the shuttle and really hit it at 9 o'cloock on the side
Thanks alot! can't wait to try this out, When the courts will be available hihihi
When doing a forehand cross slice or late rearcourt straight slice (recovery shot), some people change the forehand grip to a more neutral (i mean with the thumb at the same level as the index) and use the wrist action to generate more spin, do you recommend it ?
Personally, the pronation movement does not seem natural and I feel that I have to snap my wrist a little bit when using the standard forehand grip, that's why I revert to the method above
Yes that helps to get more slice into it or do it with a more natural movement but again here: Good opponents will figure out the different grip/racket position and it will be easier for them to read your shots. With the late straight slice it is more about control and not deception so there I would recommend to turn it a little. When you play on a higher level and don't want to show to early what you do it can be a disadvantage.
tnq sir
One of the best shots but very difficult to do it.
Is that the apacs vanguard 11 which u are using??
Awesome!
Tobias, my drop and slice travels like a Rainbow, it lands on opponents court slow resulting in minimal effect of deception.
Will it be because I'm hitting with wrong wrist movement, wrong direction of racquet face, wrong swing ?
Please, help me out...
Maybe you hit it not enough in front of you or you go under the shuttle with the racket, Try to hit it more like a smash in front of you and with a faster movment. That will create the deception
Can I just do the normal drop shot from the around the head corner without the swipe technique? Please answer me. Thanks
Yes, have you seen this video already: th-cam.com/video/40jBC98xTRE/w-d-xo.html ?
@@tobiaswadenka8435Yes I watched it. I am sorry I didn't say it clear, I mean the cross drop shot from head around corner, do the pros always swipe?
Thank you
My coach (coach Halim Haryanto Ho) makes me jump and slice the bird faster to the ground.. such a tiring technique but I guess that's the Indo style.. of course I fail half the time on the speed.
Amazing deception:)
Is voltric0.5dg a good racket for an attackive player
I never tried that one so i cannot help you but maybe anyone else? Btw I would always recommend to try a racket out and see how it feels for you, no matter what others or the racket description says ;)
@@tobiaswadenka8435 thanks for your time
Weil man aktuell keine Schläger testen darf, aber ich merke, dass du dich sehr gut auskennst, weil du mit nem Arcsaber spielst fürn Doppel und Mixed:
Arcsaber 11 oder Astrox 88s?
Habe den Astrox 88s vor längerem mal getestet und fand ihn auch sehr gut besonders im doppel im Vorderfeld. Für mich persönlich ist der AS11 aber einfach unschlagbar vor allem bzgl. Allround einsatz
Hi Tobias and thanks for your videos, always useful and accurate. I've been learned to slightly change the grip for the forehand slice. Basicaly, I rotate the racket before the shot to make the slice easy. What do you think about that ? Is that only for beginners ?
Yes you can do it to make it easier in the beginning. From a certain level you will see that players can read small details like that so the deception of the slice is not really working so good anymore so that is important to keep in mind
Can I keep my non racket foot forward while serving?
You mean in doubles or singles? You can do it but usually it is more relaxed to serve the other way round and it also makes it easier to cover court for the next shot
Thanks
that audio is killing me lmao, cmon Tobias
Better audio next week 🤞
Nice
I still can't do slice drop short 😢
Amazing 👌
Is there a way to "fake" a slice? A shot that looks like a slice but actually isn't?
The goal should not be to fake shots, but to make all shots look the same for as long as possible. Slicing is something, that only happens in the very last moment of the hitting phase so actually there is no way to fake a slice in that way I would say.
Your opponent is also watching.
what racket is that?
Yonex ArcSaber11
Good
👍👍👍👍👍
Maybe using some external microphone could increase your audio quality👍
Yes just got a new camera and now I am also looking for a better microphone set up
6:34 Can advanced player really see the grip difference? It is so far away.
They can't see the grip...
But they can see the angle of the racket face.
So forehand V grip used on right side has racket face facing the net.
If I am pro player and I see that racket is not exactly facing straight to net but rather slightly cross (to cross court side) I will know you're trying to hit slice with same motion for the straight shot.
@@abdullahahmad184 perfect answer :)
How to increase my strength in slicing the shuttle
It is more about timing and touch then strength if you want to put a lot of slice into your shots
I slice THE shootlr every time i shute THE ball. Haw Can i stop to slace
Maybe you do not rotate your forearm enough before the impact? When you hit, your strings should point directly towards the shuttle
Thakns
You should made a video on children and exercises for them
Can I play badminton wearing mask at my homeyard with my brother??(Our state has no Corona cases yet)
So your answer (as expected) is yes!?
I don't see why this should be a problem if you stay away from other people and I think the mask is also unnecessary if you stay in your own homeyard. The cheaper masks only help if you already are infected, because they reduce the risk that you infect someone else
@@tobiaswadenka8435 Actually, I am over concerned regarding my health.🙂
cool
i once tried hitting it cross and it ended up going straight. thats how i did the slice
Maybe you were hitting to far behind the body? Then it can also go straight
superrrrr
Bast badminto
Can you give me your racket
can u make a tutorial how to get a girlfriend ? I play badminton well but can't get a gf.
You mean 12 o'clock