Biologists have an explanation for the origin of man. Its a big improvement on the explanation in the Bible. "And the Lord God formed man of the dust..." (Genesis 2:7)
@11:15 “God spends a lot of His 9-5 punishing people in hell.” This is quite a statement to make of the Creator. Do you have a chapter and verse to base it on?
Hello Petrosorr, that's an interesting comment. I spoke of God's time commitment incorrectly for the sake of effect. In reality, if the doctrine of hell is true, then God will be punishing people in hell 24/7.
@@groundedwithstevehartland God sits above the circle of the earth God works with the living It's very sad for you to see god spending time punishing people in hell I guess you'll decive some people thankfully though not many
I would disagree with the analysis and the conclusions. In my view, lack of seriousness is the reason for the perceived hardness and confusion about its application. There is too much childish, naive foolishness in the church. Men are not dignified; they are like kids on a playground who are more interested in fantasy football than their local church and community. So the issue is not lack of harshness, but confusion. Men can be harsh; they just don't know when or why. A serious and dignified worldview and posture would create sound hierarchies of reality and dismiss childish distractions. Perhaps we would discover things like "discipline". Wouldn't that be amazing.
Thanks for the comment paveli1181. Confusion regarding when or why to be harsh seems to me to align with our thinking. Regardless, I'm happy to agree with you that there is a lack of seriousness in evangelicalism. This morning I read "tremble before him, all the earth" from Psalm 96. May we learn sobriety and fear in addition to Gospel joy.
Using your own exhortation, I only ask you to rate whether the Grounded podcast is 1%, 5% or mostly serrated. Are they 99% or 95% fruit of the spirit list items, or WAY less? Ironically, this podcast (and not just this episode) epitomizes the biblical disproportionality you mentioned. For most of the episodes for quite some time, the dominant theme is justifying a harsh approach. Feel free to sarcastically call me the tone police.
Hey Josh, thank you for the interaction. It seems that you would like us to evaluate the serrated percentage of the podcast, find it to be higher than 5%, and consider toning it down. Please consider the following: When I said that a pastor's language should be serrated about 5% of the time, I am referring to his sermon content. The sheep need to hear the whole counsel of God and so they should hear a serrated edge roughly as often as the Biblical text includes or calls for it. A podcast, on this other hand, is supplemental media. You could make a podcast called "A Daily Dose of Grace" in which you have no serrated edge at all. Or you could make a podcast specifically designed to attack ungodliness with 90% serrated edge. In other words, the exhortation was and is not applicable to a podcast. Our particular podcast, as far as I am able to speak for it, aims to correct the current ills plaguing our region and evangelicalism as a whole. For this correction to take place, these ills need to be addressed. Thus, to correct the ill of over-feminization and over-winsomeness, the "harsh approach" will certainly come up. And it will come up more than 5% of the time. - Jason W.
@@groundedwithstevehartland I appreciated when you said you had compassion for the sheep that had been sitting under a bad shepherd. Not 1 minute later, "therapy" was muttered with disdain in the list of evidence of modern christian's being soft. I really grieve for that sentiment in Cornerstone's pastors. SO MANY Christians need help talking through issues but don't seek it, or wait until it's truly a crisis, because of that stigma. You can tell me a serrated edge is needed because you are correcting ills. With the above as one of countless examples, your serrated edge is cutting wider and less discriminately than you think. It's the subtleties and nuances of tone that reflect a lack of kindness, gentleness, compassion, empathy... right there in the middle of you trying to make an empathetic comment. Condescending "therapy" comments are aimed at the struggling believer, not the wolf in sheep's clothing, whether you intended it or not.
As a therapist myself (for both believers and unbelievers) I would agree that therapy is too soft. I see more progress in my clients (both believers and unbelievers) who take accountability and responsibility for their struggles (whether due to their own sin or struggles that are a byproduct of the fall) than those who are handled “softly.” Again, it takes a lot of maturity to confront someone in such a way where you are being blunt and direct but also loving. They are not as separate as many believe. Bluntness (even using satire, irony, etc) can be loving. As I’ve been refined as a therapist over time, I have handled clients both softly in some circumstances and boldly (perhaps harshly?) at times, and without fail, there has always been substantially more progress, quicker with the latter.
Thanks for the wise words Nicole. Josh, I believe that most American Christians would benefit from counseling--I have benefitted from it. Counseling is a good thing. However, why do so many of us need it? My theory is that softness in Christianity has produced weak/immature Christians that would be stronger (not in need of counseling) if they were sitting under a better shepherd. In other words, counseling should be for people who are especially struggling (Ez 34:16), but because of our soft, Word-famined Christianity, it is something that most of us need.
"The Lord shall smite thee with madness and blindness
and astonishment of heart". But he loves you !
(Deuteronomy 28:28)
"He loves you and he NEEDS MONEY!"
By Fox, he is complimenting Herod because he is the one who is always behind him
Biologists have an explanation for the origin of man.
Its a big improvement on the explanation in the Bible.
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust..." (Genesis 2:7)
@11:15 “God spends a lot of His 9-5 punishing people in hell.”
This is quite a statement to make of the Creator. Do you have a chapter and verse to base it on?
Hello Petrosorr, that's an interesting comment. I spoke of God's time commitment incorrectly for the sake of effect. In reality, if the doctrine of hell is true, then God will be punishing people in hell 24/7.
@@groundedwithstevehartland God sits above the circle of the earth
God works with the living
It's very sad for you to see god spending time punishing people in hell I guess you'll decive some people thankfully though not many
I would disagree with the analysis and the conclusions. In my view, lack of seriousness is the reason for the perceived hardness and confusion about its application. There is too much childish, naive foolishness in the church. Men are not dignified; they are like kids on a playground who are more interested in fantasy football than their local church and community.
So the issue is not lack of harshness, but confusion. Men can be harsh; they just don't know when or why.
A serious and dignified worldview and posture would create sound hierarchies of reality and dismiss childish distractions. Perhaps we would discover things like "discipline". Wouldn't that be amazing.
Thanks for the comment paveli1181. Confusion regarding when or why to be harsh seems to me to align with our thinking. Regardless, I'm happy to agree with you that there is a lack of seriousness in evangelicalism. This morning I read "tremble before him, all the earth" from Psalm 96. May we learn sobriety and fear in addition to Gospel joy.
Using your own exhortation, I only ask you to rate whether the Grounded podcast is 1%, 5% or mostly serrated. Are they 99% or 95% fruit of the spirit list items, or WAY less? Ironically, this podcast (and not just this episode) epitomizes the biblical disproportionality you mentioned. For most of the episodes for quite some time, the dominant theme is justifying a harsh approach. Feel free to sarcastically call me the tone police.
Hey Josh, thank you for the interaction. It seems that you would like us to evaluate the serrated percentage of the podcast, find it to be higher than 5%, and consider toning it down. Please consider the following: When I said that a pastor's language should be serrated about 5% of the time, I am referring to his sermon content. The sheep need to hear the whole counsel of God and so they should hear a serrated edge roughly as often as the Biblical text includes or calls for it. A podcast, on this other hand, is supplemental media. You could make a podcast called "A Daily Dose of Grace" in which you have no serrated edge at all. Or you could make a podcast specifically designed to attack ungodliness with 90% serrated edge. In other words, the exhortation was and is not applicable to a podcast.
Our particular podcast, as far as I am able to speak for it, aims to correct the current ills plaguing our region and evangelicalism as a whole. For this correction to take place, these ills need to be addressed. Thus, to correct the ill of over-feminization and over-winsomeness, the "harsh approach" will certainly come up. And it will come up more than 5% of the time.
- Jason W.
@@groundedwithstevehartland I appreciated when you said you had compassion for the sheep that had been sitting under a bad shepherd. Not 1 minute later, "therapy" was muttered with disdain in the list of evidence of modern christian's being soft. I really grieve for that sentiment in Cornerstone's pastors. SO MANY Christians need help talking through issues but don't seek it, or wait until it's truly a crisis, because of that stigma. You can tell me a serrated edge is needed because you are correcting ills. With the above as one of countless examples, your serrated edge is cutting wider and less discriminately than you think. It's the subtleties and nuances of tone that reflect a lack of kindness, gentleness, compassion, empathy... right there in the middle of you trying to make an empathetic comment. Condescending "therapy" comments are aimed at the struggling believer, not the wolf in sheep's clothing, whether you intended it or not.
As a therapist myself (for both believers and unbelievers) I would agree that therapy is too soft. I see more progress in my clients (both believers and unbelievers) who take accountability and responsibility for their struggles (whether due to their own sin or struggles that are a byproduct of the fall) than those who are handled “softly.” Again, it takes a lot of maturity to confront someone in such a way where you are being blunt and direct but also loving. They are not as separate as many believe. Bluntness (even using satire, irony, etc) can be loving.
As I’ve been refined as a therapist over time, I have handled clients both softly in some circumstances and boldly (perhaps harshly?) at times, and without fail, there has always been substantially more progress, quicker with the latter.
Thanks for the wise words Nicole.
Josh, I believe that most American Christians would benefit from counseling--I have benefitted from it. Counseling is a good thing. However, why do so many of us need it? My theory is that softness in Christianity has produced weak/immature Christians that would be stronger (not in need of counseling) if they were sitting under a better shepherd. In other words, counseling should be for people who are especially struggling (Ez 34:16), but because of our soft, Word-famined Christianity, it is something that most of us need.