How Trump and Biden’s Documents Should Have Been Handled | WSJ
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- The Justice Department is investigating how classified documents got to the home of former President Trump and the home and personal office of President Biden from his time as vice president. Here’s how documents are supposed to be handled during a transition.
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Both should be held accountable for holding onto classified documents. Regardless of party affiliation
No trump did not have classified docs. His were un-classified only Biden hid classified docs
I believe Trump declassified his. Biden, being vice pres at the time some of his were taken, had no authaurity to declassify.
I wonder if Biden will be able to pardon himself before he leaves office.
@@lenculpepper9150 he doesn't have to. He's being cooperative, unlike trump
Obama & other Presidents took Classified Documents with them to their homes. Notice WSJ stated Bush & Obama to Classified Documents & the amount. The President has the Right to Declassify the Documents. The Archives were aware President Trump had the documents in a safe locked @ his home.
A very helpful video. What I can’t comprehend however is why there is not a traceable classified document custody chain, particularly for Secret and Top Secret (especially SCI and SAC documents). My local public library does a better job tracking books than the National Archives, the DoD, CIA, NSA, National Intelligence Agency, and other US government intelligence agencies. Why is there no law and protocol mandating that Top Secret documents can only be viewed in a SCIF then immediately retrieved and stored by special custodial agents? Documents of such high classification should only be viewed that way and NEVER be allowed to be taken by a President, Vice President, or high government official to their personal residence or elsewhere. How is it that this is not standard opera procedure? Absurd.
Bc it's not the document that is classified it's the INFORMATION. Even hand written notes of classified info from a classified source or meeting then becomes deemed classified. You're technically supposed to DESTROY classified documents bc it's the INFORMATION that is classified.
What I do not understand is; the National Archive knew which docs Fmr. Pres. Trump had in his posession. How did they not know Biden (or Obama administration) had docs that needed returning for 7 years. Especially since they were top secret & above top secret? This is confusing to me. Anyone know how this works?
The probable answer: Because it developed over a long time and the president and his aides effectively make the rules they have to follow - and then people are way more likely to make convenient rules
Obama took Classified Documents. The President has the right to Declassify the Documents. The Archives were aware the documents were @ President Trump’s home. They were in a safe locked. Biden’s were in his garage by his Corvette & in his Penn Office by Chinatown.
The National Archives should have a team of archivists and records managers who sole job is to pack up the WH inventorying each box as it is filled.
I'm late with a BOOK from the library, Ms. Helen gets ANGRY and charges money.
I would like to know how many other Presidents and Vice Presidents have taken materials with them. Surely the NARA has a record of the letters that they have sent over the years requesting missing papers. It didn't sound like it was a new problem in either administration. Anyone even curious if it happened with Nixon or Truman?
Speaking for myself only....the curiosity (normally piqued for The unknown & incomprehensible) that Should be raised from concerns of Presidential protocols & the maintaining of National Security......has been regrettably overridden. Dully overshadowed by 24/7 talking head, regurgitated news coverage. My normal process of raising query, pondering scenarios of plausibility, and creatively entertaining the mental gymnastics of wonder that all bloom from the urging itch to somehow comprehend, unknown knowledge has been stymied. The fulfillment and comfort, compiled through process of deduced & equatable outcome in This particular Kerfluffel.....has been eluded! And relegated to the Trash bin of assumptions!!!
Curiosity, has killed This Cat!
And Yes!.....It would seem to Me, that a different process is needed and the placement of new methods is not only paramount, but are also sorely overdue!
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Here we go wsj gaslight political preference...
A Vice president can not de-classiffy
And Biden knew that
Contrary to mainstream media, there is standard procedures to the handling classified material.
No the Vice Pesident does not have the authority to decalss documents so you may want to do better research on this, also they are not allowed to move SCI out of an area until they have been cleared and declassified by the originator of those documents.
John literally they are. 2009 executive order. Obama signed it. It’s a fact. You need to do better research before you comment.
WRONG.
First of all, Biden has never said, as of January 20th, that he did declassify them.
Secondly, the vice president absolutely has the right and power to declassify documents as expressed in Executive Order 13526 signed in 2009 which clearly states: “the authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by the President and Vice President,” as well as “agency heads and officials designated by the president". Maybe YOU should do some research.
@@ICreatedU1 WRONG! Both President and Vice President have the authority to classify the information; however, only President has the authority to declassify the information unless Vice President has written delegation authority from the President. Executive Order 13526, signed in 2009, Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification, has no mention that the Vice President has the authority to declassify information.
@@ICreatedU1 Lol, sounded nice anyway.
@@ryersongorman5237 WRONG. Again.
Quote: "A vice president’s authority to declassify information stems from Executive Order 13526, which former President Barack Obama issued in 2009 when Biden was vice president. That order specifies who is allowed to classify and declassify information.
It says that “the authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by the President and Vice President,” as well as “agency heads and officials designated by the president.”
There are four categories of people who can declassify a document under the executive order: the official who originally classified it, their successor, a supervisory official of either the originator or their successor, or officials given declassification authority in writing by an agency head.
The executive order “explicitly names the vice president as one of the original classification authorities,” which means they could declassify any information their office originally classified, McClanahan explained."
Nice try.
Oh good, the Wall Street Journal telling us what to think.
Suddenly it's ok to lose documents 😅😅😅
If you are Democrat*
What happened to the Millions Obama, Bush & Clinton took with them, when they left the White House? 🤔
At Bush.'s library you can also see the shoe thrown at him 😅
At Bill Clinton's library you can see pics of him on the Lolita Express.
Archived didn't realized they are missing docs last 8 years.????
Biden was a Senator and VP. Big difference
@@JeffConard Including the DOJ and the media
I was wondering whether there would be public information on this subject well done I commend this video for its candour. It will help the electorate to understand what is happening on this subject. Thanks again.
Biden probably forgot that the documents were there lol
He's too old isn't he. He has dementia and it stands to reason why he forgot. Let's remember that he even forgets the flavour of the ice cream he's eating. On the other hand I have no clue about Trump reasons because he's the smartest president America has ever had. He's did a great job at the white house and that's why he refused to leave. I truly have no idea why a 1p0% healthy person lije hin can instruct his aidescto pack over 10000 documents to his home.
Realistically, yeah. Since X4 classification are usually just leader-interpreter communication logs
NARA actually issued the warrant on Maralago looking for X4 documents on Trump (communication between KimJongUn and Trumps Translator/Interpreter), but also found 280 other documents, some requiring the highest security clearance to even be near (X2, X1, and XX1 seals)
So one sided WSJ
So disgusting
Yes, same thing with the Narcissist i’m afraid he has documents for that
Thanks
So many excuses for a vice president vs a president. Simple no excuse makes our country vulnerable.
Hard to miss the red cover sheet...
I am waiting for the DOJ to release photos of the Biden docs arranged on the floor.
They will not because the floor display was more for photography purposes on the part of the FBI. Furthermore republicans were saying they wantedvto ACTUALLY SEE THEM. Bidens documents were too few to be displayed on the floor so I would assume photographers were avle to maybe use a table. Furthermore no democrat has demanded to ACTUALLY SEE THEM because they believe they are there anyway.
Well there’s no need to in Biden’s case. Since the documents were volunteered by Biden’s legal team (and later the DOJ), there were no photos taken for evidence files
There were for Trump, because a subpoena was issued and the FBI entered with a warrant and followed procedure (hence, the photos)
@@johnclemash2544 laying the files on the ground, taking a photo and giving it to the press has zero evidentiary value. It's PR.
@@erics7226 The photo was given to the press when the warrant was unsealed (something Republicans in Congress adamantly insisted on)
Being too busy, too overwhelmed etc isn’t a good excuse. Nothing is basically when it comes to such sensitive information.
If you can’t get your internal controls in place, how tf are you running the country?
I feel like we are gonna see tougher restrictions on making sure archives are not lost within the next 5 years
Vice presidents don’t have executive power to declassify. Also, now it’s okay? Media outlets are such a waste of time.
Nobody said its ok. Wherea are you getting your news. Social media???
@@siphiwemakama4882 The downplay of the risk because Biden now did it. What trump did was legal, what Biden did was illegal, they shouldn’t be the same story. I don’t have or use social media.
@@nicosoccer225 ur so wrong on so many levels quit talking and stop dickriding trump
@@applesapps4187 tell me one thing I said wrong? Just one.
@@nicosoccer225It's crazy how confident you made yourself sound eventhough reality offers the contrary. Next time I would highly recommend to educate yourself first before entering the Internet, so you don't have to make yourself look like a dork.
Still confusing - the process seems to vary depending on the legal expert and which news station is providing the information:
* Is sending confidential or top secret documents specifically to the National Archives part of the actual law or is this a best-practices protocol?
* What does the law say, if anything, about the process a President is supposed to go through to declassify documents?
* Can a President have a nonwritten legally satisfactory standing order (or use the jedi-mind trick), as Trump claims, to declassify any confidential or top secret documents that are removed from the White House?
* Does any law make it a crime to remove classified documents from the White House or National Archives without permission? If so, is there an intent requirement for criminality?
* If it's legally permissible for a President to use the jedi-mind trick to declassify documents, then couldn't Biden just do the same to declassify anything that was found at his home or office now that he is the POTUS?
* If the law is clear, as some pundits claim, then why have so many Presidents had issues with the removal of classified documents?
I wanted more out of this video. It is the prolog to a much longer video.
Why are they hard copies?
Why no such explanation earlier?
At President Bush's library you can see finger paintings and stick figure drawings.
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Both-sidesing this is absurd
How come the National Archivees didn't know about the miss document that bidin had?
It is just a lot to do, they are short staffed, etc....are we talking about when I try to order food at local resturant or the President of the US...we all should be lucky to have excuses like this.
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I just don't know why they hit glass houses. Maybe cold.
Oh I understand this is them walking
Imagine the Donald Trump Presidential Library
Yeah...down play Biden... corporate media sucks 😞😔
Old people are always taking things they shouldn't smh
And we should forgive them gor that. Isn't it? Here i mean both of them
WSJ reported the millions Bush & Obama took from the White House with them!!! Biden was VP under Obama when he took the Classified Documents from the White House. VP cannot take Classified Documents from the White House.
Some need to take notes… unfortunately, they’ll forget it somewhere
“Trumps investigation centers around a number of different kinds of records. Not just classified ones … they were missing important [documents and] discovered numerous classified documents.”
“Biden’s only (as if it’s not as severe of an infraction) focuses on classified ones.”
Look, I’m not the biggest fan Trump. But he gets so much extra scrutiny.
The two situations are simply not comparable. Biden accidentally got 0.01% of the classified docs he handled as VP mixed in with his personal papers. Trump intentionally took dozens of boxes of documents and refused to give them back. Of course they're investigating what he took and why.
Trump was president and Biden was VP and he went to Ukraine just before stealing the docs.
@Md Miah this is the media defense for Biden and i see how it get into people head. Look Biden was a Vice president, you not supposed to have those documents period. Let put it this way. Trump was a president and got a bunch of classified document he haven't time to personally return it since beside being a president he was a very busy business man compare to biden was taking classified document at the time being Vice president. Tell me what you call those people that take something they not supposed to? Stealing? Thats a crime buddy. You cant compare a vice president taking classified document vs a president.
@Md Miah Yea right actively cooperating after 8 years and after election. You know what interesting, is he was a Vice president he not supposed to have it. Is call stealing.
@Md Miah 1. How do you unintentionally take classified documents home with you and unintentionally put them in an envelope marked "secret"? It's almost as if you subjectively consider it unintentional because you're politically biased or something.
2. Intent is not written into the law. If you fail to disclose that you took classified documents with you as vice president it's against the law regardless of how good intentioned you are.
President's records, not Vice President or Senator. Stop the cover up!!!!
A.i.
Was this AI speaking on the video? 😂
Pence too, LOL!
Who else left them in wedding venue bathroom?😅😅😅😅
We know how Trump got the documents. He took them with him when he left the White House.
So why is trump being charged with a federal crime if it was his staffs fault for not turning over the documents?
wsj gotta make Biden look good no matter what.
Over 10,000 pages a day? Am I missing something here? No one can read or flip through or even glance at that much data in a day. What are they even talking about?
This narrator sounds familiar. Isn't she used to be on vox.
Mishandling of classified documents, which should've been surrendered to the National Archives, should disqualify Biden and Trump from running in 2024. However, American politics is unpredictable and voters have short term memories.
Not trump for obvious reasons
@@goneoutside1011 bruh
Trump should be disqualified period. No ifs or buts. LOCK HIM UP!
@@byakuya98 for what?
@@whatdayisit7376 ongoing litigations.
Then when Trump did it he’s guilty when Biden did it it’s the staff. Makes sense
Well the “staff” didn’t place documents in a lockbox in his Delaware home office
Granted, he probably forgot about it and left it accidentally, since he hadn’t used that office in over 5 years, but still
Wow turns out both of them were crooks who would have known😑
How is Trump a crook? Biden and family have become millionaires just off of Bidens office position
@@jaredhill4425 He did the exact same thing Biden did 🙄 having classified files in places they were not supposed to be.
Lair lair pants on fire
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spread false information. try to cover up.
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How long has Biden been holding documents ? For decades ?
Shame such an analysis did not occur during the scrutiny with Trump. Was it because there was an election going on?
"overturn" the elections.....this bias is sickening
WSJ quoted Trump on the use of the word overturn….huh?
Brandon: “But I thought Hunter was gona give those documents to China”
AS Danial Henninger pointed out this morning, "They all do it". Areed. So, my question is, who will fall on their sword and risk being called a racist by asking the obvious, what does Barack Obama have in Martha Vineyard?
This is simply such an unnecessary question, because there is simply no circumstantial evidence that there are any
@@JannesJustus LOL, you're kidding, right? They all take documents. I'm not saying it's done with nefarious ends in mind, but they all take them. Presumedly, to write a book(s).To believe otherwise is incredibly naive, James.
@@joe18750 you think that they do, however if there is no evidence then what should anyone do about it? Foremost because it might just be untrue
@@JannesJustus enjoy your fantasy world, Jannes. When the rubber meets the road, men aren't that different. B.O. has documents. and it will eventually come out. Back to my more important point, he won't even be asked for fear of that person being called a racist.
@@joe18750 your „point“ is not a point at all tho. For it is not about race but about the lack of any evidence
Even presidents must follow the laws we follow
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3:17 Biden had to swing by Ukraine last minute? That feeds into the hunter story.
He probably made copy and gave it to Burisma.
It was on a diplomatic visit with Obama shorty before the transition of power. It is commonplace for outgoing leaders to pay last visits to other world leaders before their departure (Clinton and Bush did the same)
Trump was one of the few that didn’t (probably because following that tradition would be alluding to his defeat in 2020)
@@johnclemash2544 Yes, it was a diplomatic visit with stolen documents before he finished his VP term.😇 Biden is next to the angle.
Time to lock everybody up.
i love it!
WHAT A BUNCH OF LYES
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4:14 "A little more chaotic" was a massive understatement this time around. Biden has obviously had his share of flaws since taking office, but it's important to keep in mind that the transition period was so messy because Donald was too focused on trying to overturn his election loss
3:43 _"aids said that they delayed packing because of Trump's attempts to overturn the election"_
Who owns this rag?
But Biden took this docs when he was VP not when he became president. Nice deflection.
Biden took those docs long before Trump. Give it a rest already. I know, it's all Trump's fault. 😂 You people are pathetic.
@@binasarmah1486 I don't think he "took" the documents. They had been in use there and staff didn't transport them back to the White house or wherever they were supposed to be.
Biden wasn't showing them to visitors to impress them or get them into his bed.
But I could be wrong.
@@binasarmah1486 So? According to Executive Order 13526 signed in 2009, the president and vice president both have to right to declassify documents. Nice disinformation.
Oh, nowwww wsj decides to share this haha
What is this supposed to mean? Wsj is biased in favor of trump because they didn't publish this video in August when the fbi raided his resort?
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wsj should have invested in advanced technology to make more paper from little resources instead of computer technology. then documents could have been in paper format and secure
And Bidens???? He was a Senator. Oh that's right!!!
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John Dillon and Brian Teeter couldn't have said it better! Personal I like how you made this video so formal but still had Biden back. Like John Dillon said, " Vice President does not have the authority to declassified documents". Also ever President has taken documents from the white house, but only after they declassified them and bring it through the proper channels.
Even when they are no longer president?
Your bias is showing.
How?
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