@@Nitrousatoll I hope things ended (relatively) well for you lol. I nearly learned the hard way several times... I am very lucky I've still got my car and my mates.
Also, since no one mentioned it, watching a lot of car crash compilations on youtube and memorizing what conditions lead to most crashes makes you very aware to those look for those conditions when driving
These cam videos are sad. Always half a story. The guy bleating on about someone under taking? Has been blocking the lane on a personal crusade for some sad reason 🤣 Most are cut short, especially on fb
DanDanTheFiremans motorcycles crash review compilations are one of the best hazard perception materials I’ve seen on TH-cam, very much agreed, watch crash compilations so you know what to look out for
Not even on a Sunday at 5am - there could be someone from the opposite way that also decided to go on a spirited drive. Just never drive beyond your sight/vision. It's risky.
It's actually funny because a minute before he said that, there was a pheasant running across the street. Now guess when wild animals are the most active.
Definitely, I would say I'm more comfortable and experienced than your average driver as I've been doing track days for years, racing etc... but even that can't prepare you for someone deciding to follow racing lines on a public road around a bend/corner or attempt to overtake at a bend that is essentially a blind spot. Unless I can see there's absolutely no one else on the road or nearby for a decent amount of distance, I'm not pushing into those 3 digit speed limits. That would be absolutely selfish of me.
As a youth in early 80s, I found that out 🤣. Milk man 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I didn’t hit but it woke me up and I will never forget. I learned 👍 I regularly drive above 100mph but have never had an accident. Due to reading the road and not being an idiot. Slowing as I pass traffic. Before you judge? You don’t know if I can legally drive like that or not in uk?
In algeria we say: drive as if everyone around u is a bad driver, and any pedestrian is blind. this makes u account for any possibility anywhere anytime. You cannot imagine the number of times this mentality saved me. especially that drivers here are crazier and the laws are broken much much more than where you are.
I actually had to do basically this exact braking practice before getting my drivers license, in Sweden everyone has to do a driving exam where you slide cars around and get "reality checks" like what's shown in this video. It was a real eye opener when the instructor made us do a "moose test" at a high rate of speed but with a twist, the twist was that the cones were set up to have a route on both the left and right side of the "moose". The instructor would tell us which way to turn over the radio about 1 second before we had to turn but every single driver including me told the instructor that they told this information to us too late (in our minds, it felt like we had already hit the "moose" when he told us which way to steer). We then went slower and he did the same thing, this time every team managed to avoid the hazard. Reaction times are a real issue we all have to consider
There's a cognitive difference between audibly being told which way to go, and visually seeing which way to go. The true Moose Test is done when driving toward a barrier and a cardboard cutout appears on one side of it as you approach. It's easier to respond correctly with the visual stimuli.
moral of the story is that public roads are not for racing, go to the track, as much as you try to control all the things you can , there will always be things beyond your control, even if its 1% risk/chance, that 1% can cost your life or someone else's
True, you can stop quickly on tiny drums if your tires are good enough. Applicable force to the pads is rarely the limiting factor except in large heavy goods vehicles, and some old worn out bicycle brakes. Otherwise you could say "I can stop faster because my leg is stronger" - an argument I've never heard for braking performance. The big discs are for accelerating and braking over and over again, where drums or smaller discs would overheat. It's also possible that from speeds of over 150 mph, you can overheat stock brakes in one fell swoop. With more power utilized and downhill, you can put more kinetic energy into the car and take it out again, over and over. On the public road I'm more of a hypermiler, so drums all around would be okay for me. They don't rub as much and save fuel anyway.
@@MickDrivesCars Except they don't. Smaller brakes on an economy car will stop the car equally as fast as your sporty big ones. All what brakes do is lock up your wheels, from then on the braking performance is all dependant on your tyres and road contact, and external factors like road condition and weight of your car etc. It doesn't matter if they are big or small brakes, as long as they are sufficiently strong to provide the pressure needed to lock the wheels, which all modern brakes do, big or small. The advantage bigger brakes give you, is that they don't fade as fast or overheat when you perform aggressive braking multiple times in a row. In an economy car, you'll (hopefully or you're driving poorly) only need aggresive fast braking in an emergency, so not often. Think about it, if bigger brakes actually would make you stop significantly faster, all cars would be equipped with it, as basic road safety is paramount in the industry and not something that would be exclusive to sport cars (just like airbags, ABS, ESP, etc.). An economy 'normal' car drives just as fast on the road as a sport car, and needs to slow down just as fast as a sports car. Only difference is it doesn't accelerate that fast and doesn't need to do aggressive manoevres over and over again.
double the speed is usually 4x the distance as braking distance is proportional to the square of the speed. i wish this was something we actually learned in driving lessons and just overall physics of driving like weight transfer
the most i ever learned was how to correct a skid and even then it was useless info for anything not RWD. they told you to lift off and counter steer which in a FWD car might not actually save you. Though I don't know if this is true if say, you hit ice, but at least in my sim racing, the best way to correct a FWD sliding is to put some power down to get traction off the front wheels. I once had to correct a slide in my AWD car which was the same procedure as RWD, but it was also low-speed. Wish I had some dirt roads to practise skid control in, or snow... maybe next winter.
@@MidnightGreen4649 yea i think skid control should be mandatory as well as full stop from high speed with and without abs. better yet get ppl to learn in long rwd cars and experience body roll and understeer and oversteer
@@nicktodorov669 Maybe we'd also get more young people interested in cars too. I made a sudden left with one of my friends in the backseat and once the shock wore off she thought it was kinda fun.
They do in Germany. This kind of stuff is part of the theoretical exam as well as some rules of thumb to estimate stopping distances at different speeds. One thing also thought is that there is a reaction distance (much longer than the simulated moving foot from gas to brake) because humans don’t react instantly. Additionally on narrow roads you should see twice your stopping time because oncoming traffic needs to be able to stop too.
Great video! I always say this It’s about your mindset and attitude when driving and how much control you have. Your driving literally tells the type of person you are not your car. Also when someone is in your car, you are responsible for that person
this is very much true.. driving in highway is like 70mph braking on that speed seems normal from inside the car but its a fast fast speed. so breaking is must to know if you wanna speed. very good video! kudos to u mate
Once, in a parking lot, I tried to brake from 40 mph to 0 as hard as I could. I stopped hard enough to make me feel quite light headed. Ever since then, the only time I'm tensed up when braking is when I'm in bad traffic and a car's behind me haha.
As always, great video, but I have a few fun facts to point out. Sunday morning has less traffic, but probably more drunk drivers going back from parties, so I wouldn’t say there’s no chance of someone driving on the wrong side :) Driving at night has a benefit of seeing someone’s high beams around the corner, so you actually have wallhack. Your brakes are only as good as your tires. You could have Superman holding the rotors, but with no grip it’s just gonna trigger ABS anyway.
In germany we learn a handy formula in driving school. Your emergency braking distance (brakes fully applied) can be roughly calculated with: (Speed(kph) / 10)². So at 60mph (100kph) your emergency braking would roughly take up 100 meters. And at 30mph (~50kph) it would be 25 meters. Depending on the size of your brakes, this formula might or might not work for you, but for almost all stock brakes this is a good one to know. Drive safe everyone!
@@dammitdadSpace is a vacuum. In the UK it seems that people only think of the space in front of them as stopping distance and forget space behind them, cutting in front of other cars inches from them.
Especially that part on doing a track day,it really helps you know your car well It's strengths and weaknesses.Because you will always be alert about what's going to happen rather than getting a nasty surprise.
5 AM on Sunday actually can be even more dangerous btw. It's safe but can be another racer enjoying free roads ahead :D 2) can be a village tractor broken and without lights right around the corner or horses 3) drunk people heading home after a long night. But you know what I mean because the video is cool and you're telling the right things
Great video mate! It baffles me the amount of people who drive right up the back of other cars pushing their cars to the limit around every corner regardless of the conditions or capabilities of drivers around them and somehow get away with it.
The less traffic there is the more likely there's wildlife around or that you'll be the first person to come across things like downed trees,big rocks or a washed out bridge. Unlikely but I have seen them all. I was a passenger when we hit a deer at night. It jumped out and did the classic deer in the headlights look. Luckily we were in a Yank Tank and could drive home. One day in Colorado we saw deer after deer crossing so I let the car behind me pass. Sure enough one jumped out between us but it was daylight and I saw it in time. I've seen many branches in the road and one tree,many rocks and one boulder. The scariest was being the first one to find a bridge washed out in the fog at night. There'd been heavy rains and something just didn't feel right so I slowed down to a crawl. There's bold drivers and old drivers but very few old bold drivers.
I didn't catch it in the vid, so I wanted to emphasize how important to distinguish the difference in braking distance when you have really grippy tires vs hard tires. From the factory, your brakes are designed to apply more than enough force for any emergency stopping situation at least a few times consecutively before overheating. Entertaining and high quality content as always thx for the upload! ^.^
Practice...practice...practice... Experience is your best ally just like most things. Knowing your car is paramount so you understand your limit vs car limit and finally, most importantly, understand anything can happen and when it does, there's no magic trick. The faster you go, the bigger the consequences. Whether you are responsible or not, more speed = more damage. Let that sink in and you'll naturally allow yourself wider margins when having a little fun, not just because you have a good understanding of where you're at but also because you have no idea where everyone else is at. Experience just helps you anticipate/react better and read other people's state of awareness and/or mindfulness. When you come around a corner, all bets are off. It doesn't take much speed at all to generate lethal force with a fat heap of metal. I love driving. Always have, always will. Posted speed limits are not my religion. However, I try to remain very mindful of all the above factors and it keeps me on a fairly tight leash, naturally. It doesn't matter what you're driving. The unspoken rules apply.
Conversely, experience can also be our worst enemy. Where I am from, experience tends to lull people into complacency, especially if drivers see other drivers successfully cutting into lanes (& successfully brake in time to avoid accidents). Most of the time, it is only when one has been in an accident or been in a close call that one realises how easy it can be to get into an accident.
@@matthewlee7405 For sure. I am however specifically preaching experience in mindfulness which goes a long way to making up for all the npc's out there and more generally minimizing risks that go hand in hand with the operation of a motor vehicle.
“People say I shouldn’t drive so fast on this road since there are driveways and someone could back out and hit me, and they’re right (but imma do it anyway 😏)” me too man me too, I can tell you and I have the same passion for driving, I think just like you do, keep up the videos, love em!
Its wild that not once was it ever mentioned about the car behind you here in the US where theres a lot more traffic the chances of being rear ended is way higher than in these roads with no cars
Even at 5am on a Sunday morning always drive within your viewable stopping distances....never drive in such a way that risks others. The overall message in this video is extremely useful....and I wish a visit to a test track were part of obtaining a driving licence where stopping distances and real car control could be experienced.
I did a safety driving course. One important tip about stopping distance is to count the seconds. Always be at least 2 seconds behind the car in front or any conceivable obstacle (find a marker by the road that matches the car in front and count one elephant two elephant). 2 seconds seems like no time, but a LOT can happen (and go wrong) in that time. Make it 3 seconds if you’re stressed or visibility is bad or it’s raining.
Me too, but reality and sim racing are two completely different things, and I would be extremely careful about over confidence driving, because you’re a good sim racer.
5:22 The car will not stop a lot quicker, it's brakes won't fade as fast, almost all brakes on consumer vehicles are capable of locking up the wheels (unless they weren't serviced) and ABS will kick in before that to keep it at peak deceleration. the most important variables on your stopping distance are traction and the ratio of vehicle weight to the contact patch of the tires
Tons of people driving fast don't realize that they also have to be prepared to stop and turn even faster. They never teach you these things in driving school, so most people are led to think going above the speed limit is dangerous, and the car, rather than the driver, is blamed when inevitably, people panic, freeze, and hit something hard and fast. I'm genuinely convinced that beyond airbags, ABS, TCS, and ESC, car safety systems are kind of useless. Ah, and crumple zones and whatnot are also nice to have too, up until it means your beloved car is totaled. I always have a personal rule which is to drive in a manner which makes my passengers feel safe. Inevitably I wind up putting them to sleep lmao.
I'm a car guy, owned a dozen cars over time. Occasionally people recommend me cars because of their crash safety features. I'm like - wouldn't you rather avoid crashing in the first place? Most people treat electronic driver aids as the foundation of their driving skill.
@@JayMaverick There IS a benefit- lower insurance! I am lucky that my car's driving nannies don't interfere with the fun much, and so I don't really bother turning them off except for the stupid lane keep assist. If it's found that you disabled any safety system then insurance will probably screw you over. sadly that's the nature of the game. My parents were concerned about the crash safety of my WRX (which is really funny because they got it new for me as a high school gift) because it was a sedan... the thing is so stable through corners it scares me, and the brakes for a car built from the parts bin are great on the street. Feels much safer than any other car I've been in, save for my friend's dad's Tesla. And that thing feels safe just because he's a very experienced driver.
@@MidnightGreen4649Exactly, I don't get the discourse around safety features being "intrusive." You really mean to tell me that automatic emergency braking, cross traffic warning, pedestrian detection, so on and so forth are actually intrusive in your day-to-day driving? And is it really that hard to use your damn turn signals to stop the lane keep assist from kicking in? I don't personally have these features, but I feel much safer on the road knowing that the 5500lb Ford Expedition behind me won't kill me in a rear end collision if the driver is busy yelling at her kids in the back seat.
@@d47000 You must not have read my initial comment then. In MY car I have not noticed them intrude on my driving. I would rather do without them, as the mere knowledge of these safety systems' existence affects your behavior and attitude towards driving the car itself. In my opinion that change makes for more distracted drivers who assume the car will compensate for their abilities. In my car specifically, I do not drive in a manner where the systems activate and I consciously feel it. So as far as I am concerned it does not matter to me whether they are on or off. In the end, and I say this as an engineering student, the optimization of one quality will inevitably impede on other qualities. In just about every practical case... that's not good at all in product design. As far as lane keep goes... there's times when you do need to cut the line slightly and it would be silly to give your turn signal. For example, road work. Some systems also do impede driving in cars because they are predictive, and it's hard to accurately predict 100% of the time when a crash will occur... so you have models built into the software that tries to account for that 99% and sometimes you do get a 1% false positive, or even worse, a 1% false negative. If the safety system is never active then you are probably a good conscientious driver. But Karen arguing with her demon spawn will find a way to rear-end you even with her car being designed to not crash into anything.
When I was younger in my teens I was more reckless but in my mid 20s, I personally just don't have that much trust in other road users. Someone can decide to overtake at a bend or think they're following a racing line and use the opposite lanes, I only really hit those extremely high speeds if the roads are absolutely clear and I can clearly see there's no vehicle around. If it's a long straight and no opposite traffic then I'll absolutely put my foot down but if there are a lot of bends where visibility isn't 100%, it's not that I don't trust my own abilities because I do but I don't trust others to not do something stupid.
one thing that causes a lot of highspeed crashes is when your in a difficult situation and you take to long, precisely, (less than a second) to decide what cut or what your going to do to get by upcoming traffic. I see a lot of guys hesitating a lot on there decisions when theyre swimming or cutting through traffic and that's an easy way to crash.
The Sunday 5 am example goes both ways, there might solve some Saturday night out dude thinking the same under the influence of alcohol, I saw a study most accidents happen during early mornings of Sunday, it’s best to have a visualization of how much you can control instead of relying on low traffic.
Golden rule: You must always be able to stop safely on your side of the road in the distance that you can see to be clear. In situations where you share the road with oncoming traffic this should be half the distance. Brow of a hill, limit point on a bend, heavy rain or fog, vehicle in front, darkness... those are all the distance you can see to be clear.
Cinetic energy goes up as a quadratic function (E = (mv^2)/2) so it makes sense that it was something like 4 times the distance: E1 = m*v^2/2 E2 = m* (2v)^2/2 E2 = m*4v^2/2 = 4E1
That’s because the resistant work done by the brakes is Fxd where F is the braking force (assumed constant) and d is the braking distance. This resistance work must dissipate the entirety of the kinetic energy 1/2mv^2. Therefore: d = 1/2 mv^2 / F Hence the quadratic dependence of d on v. You can also derive this from the equations of movement.
I had a stag jump out in front of me on a steep down grade at a corner when I was going about 60 and thank goodness I saw him on the side of the road and started slowing before he decided to jump. It was the size of a horse. And he slipped and fell when his hooves lost their traction on the smooth pavement. Fell on his side and thank goodness his momentum carried him into the next lane (spraying piss the whole time on the car as well) when I was fully stopped he was right next to the driver's door. So for hunters in the Susanville area, this was near the top of the down grade into town, the biggest buck I have ever seen.
Nice demos, I will try to get my young son to watch the channel and to also subscribe. My driver friend and me have almost come to serious grief when driving down a gravel mountain road, when his wheels locked up, instead of counter steering, he tried turning with the slide, and we ended up perched halfway off a 300-metre drop. Cheers.
@@MickDrivesCars The "double the speed 4x the distance" is something you do in physics class to learn about how kinetic energy works. the formula is (1/2)m(v^2), where v is the speed of your car in this case. if you replace that with 2v (so in this case you double the speed) you have (2v^2) which is 4v. since you come to a complete stop, the brakes have to dissipate all that kinetic energy, so at twice the speed the brakes need to remove 4x the energy in every case. Also, tires play a huge role as stickier tires can prevent brake lockup and the activation of ABS. I only had ABS come on when I was braking hard and turning in the rain doing autocross. So either my tires were great or I was not fast enough :0
Fun fact bmw has a system when u take ur foot fast of the gas it shorts the distance on the brakepads so the when u hit it it instantly stops. Also on rain it shortens the distance so there is less water in the pads
10:00 Remember that you should be looking for potholes, too, in addition to incoming traffic or tractors. When you go over a small hill, you can see that there are no other cars but when do you actually see the road surface well enough to be sure that there are no potholes? If you don't want to break your car, you have to be able to stop before a huge pothole in the ground, too. You cannot assume that there's free lane to go around it.
EK=½mv² Increase in velocity has a massive change in the kinetic energy. I realise this is a very basic way of looking at it but it gets the point across
Magazine 60mph-0 distances (usually 30-35m for production cars) and 70mph-0 distances (usually 45-50m for production cars) are good indicators. You will need a heck of a distance to slow down from 120mph which you will hit on some stretches of straights on b-roads. Also, you don't always need to brake to 0, if you spot something out of your current calculation (seeing some light, objects on road, some car coming out from a side road etc), you can always slow down to a comfortable speed and speculate. Always see far and look at the direction you want to go. There are also lift off/snap oversteers for newer drivers, changes in road cambers, changes in elevations especially during bends, bends that get tighter, these kind of things can really throw you off when you are speeding. Rain/puddles/sand/wet leaves/snow/ice/oil slicks will amplify all situations. So yes, always start slow, then speed up, real life driving is not a video game where you can rewind or repair everything with game credit.
For that brake test, I recommend doing it down a hill. I tested my brakes for breaking distance, and the one time I needed to stop in an emergency, I crashed because it was downhill and the car did not stop in time. I even had video of it, and my reaction time was not the issue. Definitely tested brakes down a hill.
1. One thing I learned in my half a million miles of driving, is to imagine the steering wheel getting heavier and heavier the faster you go. When on the motorway, imagine it to have become a millstone. Believe it or not this really works to prevent you turning it too suddenly, even in an emergency. I came up with this idea because one of my cars had special geared steering that made the steering range smaller the faster you went, and it did kind of feel like that. For your interest the car was a Renault Laguna. 2. Something many people get wrong is to try to drive around the front of a suddenly passing car. I'm astonished how often people do this. If a vehicle suddenly crosses your path the habit should be to go round its rear, as this is where it will not be in a second. 3. Get on the brakes immediately, not the horn. An unbelievable amount of drivers hit the horn first and then apply the brakes, as if it's their job to tell off the other driver. If you apply the brakes immediately you may not have the crash at all. Your job is to also avoid the potential crash. Let the insurance companies tell each other off. Also, never EVER use the horn to warn a pedestrian of danger other than your own car. They will turn and look at you instead of at the danger. I've seen this go badly wrong. 4. Look ahead as far as you can into the distance. Another major flaw in many people's driving is not to look far enough ahead. Look as far ahead as you can, and if you are going round a bend and cannot safely stop in the visible range, you are going too fast. Slow down until the apex of the bend does not appear to be moving towards you. This is a phenomenon described in the police drivers training manual. 5. Never let emotions into your driving. Be a cold calm machine. Don't play exciting or loud music. If someone overtakes you, don't take it personally. It isn't a race. Be proud of being unfazed. Let them go on ahead rather than tangling with them. You braking while someone tries to overtake you helps them overtake you quicker - and overtaking is the most dangerous thing anyone does on the road, so help make it safer by being over sooner. And if they are really speeding along, let them be far away and ahead of you rather than entangled.
Been waiting for a new vid Mick, i have 2 questions/suggestions if possible. 1) Heel and toe, please make a vid about it! you're insane with explaining things and one of the only car enthusiasts that have been able to help me with things in the past. 2) How to drive a fast car you are not used to, been wanting to do a car hire/track day but in a gt3 rs or something like that, and my ford fiesta is a little bit different in power, not really sure how to transfer the skills over😂 As always love and appreciate your content man. Much love.
Thanks for the kind words! Two videos for you: ''how to drive fast in a manual'' - there's a whole section on rev match/heel-toe with footage of the pedals. I will do a full heel/toe video in future. ''how to drive powerful RWD cars'' - lots for you there about driving rwd for the first time/handling more power than you're used to. But 100% road focused. Short version is TC will save everything and don't worry, unless it's an old car.
Yes Tires! I know this is probably not a major issue for you but for me where I am having tries that are good in the winter or in mud are essential... don't cheap out, buy decent tires😊
Unless you have super weak bicycle brakes on there, your stopping distance is mainly a function of your tyre grip on the road rather than if you have enormous track brakes or stock drum rotors. They just need to be strong enough to lock up the tyres, and then you have maximum possible braking capacity for that situation. (If you don't have the ability to lock the wheels or trigger the anti-lock threshold, you will need to get them looked at. You want a car that can stop as quickly as possible.) The track brakes take longer to overheat though, so if you need to use the brakes a lot and from high speeds and downhill, they are the better option. For one stop from 60, I doubt anything is overheating except the bicycle brakes haha. What I was surprised at was that going higher tire pressure was almost as bad as going lower for grip. I thought my steering was sharper at 40-45 psi but since let some air out again if it hinders ultimate grip. I wasn't expecting lower grip unless you did silly pressure like 60+ psi. I saw several tests both on this channel, also that russian "joke car mods" channel Garage 54, and also another video with a track test where the car was comparatively skittish with a 10psi over the manufacturer's recommended pressure. I did tell my mother not to drive off with one of the wheels at 10psi though. Remember, the laws of physics dole out punishments far worse than any police or court system.
Even if you have enough distance to stop at your visual limit, the other car also needs that same distance, so you would need double the distance. Just slow down and I also think you need to try the anti-lock brake and see if it is better at stopping.
Great video, Mick! Definitely a must-watch for beginner drivers. It's sad that on the driving lessons (at least here in my country), they don't mention 90% of the stuff you've said in this video. I really love the content you do
Reaction time is not about moving your foot from one pedal to another but the whole thing from seeing something unexpected, having the brain process that okay, this is something that needs me to reduce speed, then move the foot from one pedal to another and start pressing the brakes. Note that within that time, if your brain might figure out that "I need to slow down" which obviously results in much less pedal action that "OMG, brake now!!!" which you're testing here. The extra movement of your feet is maybe 100 ms. The rest of the reaction time is more like 1000 ms.
One time I was driving on a highway behind a truck and got to a part of the road that's totally straight for a while, allowing great visibility to pass. There were some cars coming, so I waited then, the opposite road completely clear I switched lanes only for the truck to shift over too as turns out there was a bicyclists riding on the side. They were completely covered by the truck so there was no way for me to see or expect it. Luckily there was enough shoulder for me to halfway drift off and I also sped up to quickly pass as I was right by the truck as that point. So even when doing everything you can there can still be curveballs. Now I keep in mind how much shoulder there is as well when I pass in case I need it.
Great video for youngsters. In the 80s in my XR3 van, twin carbs& fast road cam btw; I was having fun at 5:00AM. Roads must be empty…….bar bloody milkmen 🤣. Close, but ok. At 100mph +to 156mph, I’ll speed on an empty stretch. As soon as I am overtaking, I slow to a stop/avoid speed as the traffic I am passing could do anything. Maybe something worth filming? Clear again, foot down. (Run flats on AMG Estate btw before someone says blow out) yes I have had blowouts on other vehicles and motorcycles. Front on a bike is fkn hairy. Stayed upright. Another thing, tailgating is bad. You are better cautiously undertaking than tailgating someone that refuses to move over when there’s no reason to be in that lane. Ice throws another wild card. Be aware if you are climbing a mountain in winter for black ice. Only time I have crashed a bike. I was also taught how to drive on ice including skid control. If in doubt and you loose control, so long as impact isn’t imminent, just take your feet off and steer. No abs, eba etc then. Also lectures off cops which is now sadly lost to £££££ I learned by those lectures. Since 1984 passing my tests, I have never had a serious accident. Ice was something where I lived. A beautiful twisting road ascending more than you think with a stream at the side. Where I crashed was where it crossed. Mist had created black ice across a hairpin double bend. Lovely dry cold day otherwise. In the summer on a bike, you can ride 70-100mph (I was younger then and roads were a lot quieter) You could drive on a Sunday morning, 20-30 miles and not see another vehicle then. Driving was enjoyable then. Speed doesn’t kill, driver error and speed in incorrect places does.
The issue I have with your "judgement calls" about risk and risk tolerance is, you can make that assessment for yourself, but you CANNOT make that assessment for anyone else. If you're in a place where there is expectation for public traffic to be around AT ALL, you have no reason to be driving beyond what is safe, and really you should be including margin for error of at least like, 20%. Drive fast on private roads. Drive sane on public ones.
One point that wasn't mentioned is that if somebody is overtaking and coming towards you, you have to at least half the distance, so the other person can stop too. This is especially important on smaller roads.
It’s funny to notice that the volume knob is on the passenger's side, unlike in left-hand versions of the car. As a driver, I have volume control on the steering wheel, but my passengers have to reach over to the driver's side, which is quite inconvenient
Mashing the brake to 100% and triggering ABS definitely contributed to the 4x braking distance. But yeah, active critical thinking is the key. I genuinely don’t understand how someone can send it with their brain relaxed…
It's funny, I made a video a long time ago about braking and how you should progressively load the front suspension to get maximum brake efficiency. People told me I'm an idiot and just mashing 100% and letting ABS take care of it is faster :) I made a conscious decision in this video to not do it ''properly'' but rather brake as someone might in an emergency. I recon sub 25m is possible if I got the tires/brakes warm and did it right.
@@MickDrivesCars Well, seems you’ve outgrown those people lol. Threshold braking is King. Good choice for the video, though, as not everyone will have experience with braking to just before your ABS kicks in/will want to practice and familiarise themselves with it.
@@MickDrivesCars You did it right. I heavily doubt one would be able to do a proper threshold braking in emergency conditions, its just too much stress. May be after a sec of ABS braking confident driver would find enough courage to lift the brake pedal a bit, donno =). 1st normal reaction would be emergency braking and thats ok I believe.
Yo Mick I’m happy for you bro! The channel is growing you updated your car and you still making great videos 😎 btw you still using a camera attached to your cap while recording or you updated that too? 😜
Bro wtf happened when you counted meters "2...4...6...8..." HAHAHAHA WHAT 😭😭 Amazing vid man, can help a lot of people who are starting out for sure!! Be safe everyone, but don't forget to be fast when conditions are good 😝
My 2009 and 2013 328i (3 of them) were all great at going fast on curvy narrow mountain roads. What was just normal to me would give a lifetime of nightmares to a passenger unused to good/fast driving. Mostly because I knew the highway like the back of my hand. And had M sport grip on the pavement. But, I would not do that now with my 2019 740i. It is an excellent car but BMW went to fly by wire steering in 2014. The steering has zero road feel to clue the driver. Since there is no feed back you get no information on how much steering is required for the circumstances, meaning you have to be very alert and focused at all times, this results in micro steering even on flat dry straight roads. Very small corrections continuously. One of the things I loved about my 328i's was that they handled like they were on rails. The 740i just seems to constantly want to go left or right almost like the tires are rolling grossly overinflated so that they are not making solid contact. I probably won't ever buy another BMW because of this. The weight they saved is not worth giving up the feel of the road for if no other reason safety.
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Oh my God there is so much common sense in this. Drive safe!
6:30. Double the speed, 4x the distance is correct. The brake's job is to dissipate kinetic energy (speed) as heat. When you are going double the speed, you have four times the kinetic energy since kinetic energy is 1/2mv².
Also, with manual, ofc we usually go in the highest gear, however, if you get to have the ability u can use ur gearbox to emergency brakes, be careful dont blow ur gearbox going into a too low gear
S = v^2 ÷ 2a, so stopping distance increases exponentially with higher velocity meaning if the speed was doubled, the stopping distance would quadruple, also if the speed was halved the stopping distance would drop to 1/4 of its original length
This should be demonstrated in driving lessons, i believe this kind of experience could reduce the amount of accidents around 10% - 20%. Some people doesn't pay attention about braking especially on panic situations, 80% driver would just slam the brakes. They didn't even calculate the brake portion between him self and people behinds. Even in the most dangerous incident i did not ever put the brakes pedals to the metals, because i also want people behind me had some space and times had the best decision to avoid an incident. Here's is the clause i made for you guys : (under control) "If you ever put the brakes pedal to metals it means you're drivin beyond the limits of your car, either your self"
These are the most essential skills to stay safe when driving fast. Even for normal driving they're helpful (yes, it's rare but sometimes the speed limit is too high for the road). Every time I test drive a car I intend to buy, a ~40mph braking test is mandatory, even if the dealer is there (don't forget to warn). That gives you a good idea on the brakes condition (no swerving allowed on a level road) and ability. You won't be penalised if you can't beat the acceleration stated on the manual, but that 1 meter you didn't know you needed when doing 60-0 or 30-0, because you didn't spend extra on a good set of tyres, and/or didn't want to burn a little rubber on your braking test, will cost you dearly.
Kinetic Energy KE = 1/2 MV^2 So when the velocity increases your KE is going exponentially higer with V^2 So if you double your speed your stopping distance quadruples since your breaking power remains constant for your car regardless of your speed.
There is plenty of research that shows skills based training has no effect on crash statistics. In fact, there is evidence that racing car drivers have more crashes on roads. Cognitive biases play a huge role, such as confirmation bias, optimism bias and the Dunning-Kruger effect. This effect is demonstrated as over 80% of drivers think they are above average in their driving skills. Unsurprisingly, young males are some of the highest at risk for KSI's. Maybe Mick could do some videos to help reduce this instead?
I mean, it's pretty straightforward when you think about it. Some people simply drive adhering to rules and in a safe manner, to the best of their ability. And then there are people that 'train' to drive... Unsafely. Yes, sure, a trained unsafe driver is better than an untrained one, but what does it matter when both of them are unsafe. Or maybe a trained one indeed is just as bad because whatever advantage he has is balanced out by him doing even riskier manoeuvres.
Even a world-class race car driver would have less skill in avoiding real-world accidents than a professional driver who drives all day for decades on real streets. To say that defensive driving skills training would have no effect on reducing accidents is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Being a professional race car driver does not make him the best defensive driver that is a totally different skill set.
Kinetic energy is equal to 1/2 • mass • velocity squared so double the velocity is exactly 4x the kinetic energy the brakes have to dissipate, so yeah double the velocity is 4x the braking distance (assuming energy dissipation is the limiting factor and not traction etc) 😊
if i am not wrong, you're driving a manual car. Like if you utilize engine braking too when slamming on brakes, you can stop in less than 30 meters when going 60 mph. Try the same test on same spec car but with automatic transmission car.
The best way is to start watching crash compilations. That way you will learn to recognise situations which can lead to a crash, and avoide it before the situation even develops. I did that a few times, I adjusted my driving to avoid the situatiin to develop into a carsh. While the clueless driver whonwould have caused the accident remained clueless. I've probably seen like tens of thousands of crashes by now, maybe even 100 thousand. 🤭
As a fellow BMW driver, I approve of this message. My driving may at times seem erratic to others but I am fully in control and have calculated the location, direction, and state of the vehicle now, and 10 seconds into the future.
I'd probably triple this braking distance. I start braking quickly but it takes me a good second to realize I need to do a full stop in a lot of cases.
Trying to impress someone with your driving...often ends up with someone having a bad day
Correct. Only person you drive fast for is yourself, never to impress, you’re with the wrong crowd if they get impressed by speed (unless on a track).
Very true. I learnt that the hard way unfortunately
@@Nitrousatoll I hope things ended (relatively) well for you lol. I nearly learned the hard way several times... I am very lucky I've still got my car and my mates.
@@MidnightGreen4649 it wasn't anything disastrous, just a tyre replacement on a B road in the dead of night and a broken shock absorber
@@Nitrousatoll that's good. glad it wasn't worse haha
Also, since no one mentioned it, watching a lot of car crash compilations on youtube and memorizing what conditions lead to most crashes makes you very aware to those look for those conditions when driving
The whole problem is no one wants to gamble with some idiots perception of things like that
True.
These cam videos are sad. Always half a story. The guy bleating on about someone under taking? Has been blocking the lane on a personal crusade for some sad reason 🤣
Most are cut short, especially on fb
@@despecc true as well as police pullover videos
DanDanTheFiremans motorcycles crash review compilations are one of the best hazard perception materials I’ve seen on TH-cam, very much agreed, watch crash compilations so you know what to look out for
Not even on a Sunday at 5am - there could be someone from the opposite way that also decided to go on a spirited drive. Just never drive beyond your sight/vision. It's risky.
It's actually funny because a minute before he said that, there was a pheasant running across the street. Now guess when wild animals are the most active.
Yeah and you are taking a risky decision not just for yourself but also another person.
Definitely, I would say I'm more comfortable and experienced than your average driver as I've been doing track days for years, racing etc... but even that can't prepare you for someone deciding to follow racing lines on a public road around a bend/corner or attempt to overtake at a bend that is essentially a blind spot. Unless I can see there's absolutely no one else on the road or nearby for a decent amount of distance, I'm not pushing into those 3 digit speed limits. That would be absolutely selfish of me.
As a youth in early 80s, I found that out 🤣.
Milk man 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I didn’t hit but it woke me up and I will never forget. I learned 👍
I regularly drive above 100mph but have never had an accident. Due to reading the road and not being an idiot. Slowing as I pass traffic. Before you judge? You don’t know if I can legally drive like that or not in uk?
Very true. I would also add don’t drive beyond your ability to that list.
This channel is fire when watched at 1.25x speed
I'm on 2x 😎
0-60 in 48 seconds
i listened to your advice and forgot i put at 1.25x mid video and was wondering why the car was going so fast at 30mph lmao
LOL great advice
mad, before i even scrolled to the comments i literally put it on 1.25 😂
In algeria we say: drive as if everyone around u is a bad driver, and any pedestrian is blind. this makes u account for any possibility anywhere anytime. You cannot imagine the number of times this mentality saved me. especially that drivers here are crazier and the laws are broken much much more than where you are.
I actually had to do basically this exact braking practice before getting my drivers license, in Sweden everyone has to do a driving exam where you slide cars around and get "reality checks" like what's shown in this video. It was a real eye opener when the instructor made us do a "moose test" at a high rate of speed but with a twist, the twist was that the cones were set up to have a route on both the left and right side of the "moose". The instructor would tell us which way to turn over the radio about 1 second before we had to turn but every single driver including me told the instructor that they told this information to us too late (in our minds, it felt like we had already hit the "moose" when he told us which way to steer). We then went slower and he did the same thing, this time every team managed to avoid the hazard. Reaction times are a real issue we all have to consider
Of course Sweden has a møøse test
@@NateSmith ...and for some reason, Canada doesn't make people do a moose test.
There's a cognitive difference between audibly being told which way to go, and visually seeing which way to go.
The true Moose Test is done when driving toward a barrier and a cardboard cutout appears on one side of it as you approach.
It's easier to respond correctly with the visual stimuli.
moral of the story is that public roads are not for racing, go to the track, as much as you try to control all the things you can , there will always be things beyond your control, even if its 1% risk/chance, that 1% can cost your life or someone else's
This is the correct answer.
There's more than 1% risk every time you leave your house
@@Smc-gm2nx no
100% true
5:20 This is actually a common misconception. Bigger brakes do not decrease your stopping distance, only increase the resistance to fade.
True, you can stop quickly on tiny drums if your tires are good enough. Applicable force to the pads is rarely the limiting factor except in large heavy goods vehicles, and some old worn out bicycle brakes. Otherwise you could say "I can stop faster because my leg is stronger" - an argument I've never heard for braking performance. The big discs are for accelerating and braking over and over again, where drums or smaller discs would overheat. It's also possible that from speeds of over 150 mph, you can overheat stock brakes in one fell swoop.
With more power utilized and downhill, you can put more kinetic energy into the car and take it out again, over and over. On the public road I'm more of a hypermiler, so drums all around would be okay for me. They don't rub as much and save fuel anyway.
indeed... This guy teaching people how to drive but he has fairly poor technical knowledge of cars actually
The 6 pistons clamping down on those big discs sure do though :)
@@MickDrivesCars Except they don't. Smaller brakes on an economy car will stop the car equally as fast as your sporty big ones. All what brakes do is lock up your wheels, from then on the braking performance is all dependant on your tyres and road contact, and external factors like road condition and weight of your car etc. It doesn't matter if they are big or small brakes, as long as they are sufficiently strong to provide the pressure needed to lock the wheels, which all modern brakes do, big or small.
The advantage bigger brakes give you, is that they don't fade as fast or overheat when you perform aggressive braking multiple times in a row. In an economy car, you'll (hopefully or you're driving poorly) only need aggresive fast braking in an emergency, so not often.
Think about it, if bigger brakes actually would make you stop significantly faster, all cars would be equipped with it, as basic road safety is paramount in the industry and not something that would be exclusive to sport cars (just like airbags, ABS, ESP, etc.). An economy 'normal' car drives just as fast on the road as a sport car, and needs to slow down just as fast as a sports car. Only difference is it doesn't accelerate that fast and doesn't need to do aggressive manoevres over and over again.
@@vahlokprime3175spot on mate. Same reason sports cars have drilled brake rotors, faster heat dissipation.
double the speed is usually 4x the distance as braking distance is proportional to the square of the speed. i wish this was something we actually learned in driving lessons and just overall physics of driving like weight transfer
the most i ever learned was how to correct a skid and even then it was useless info for anything not RWD.
they told you to lift off and counter steer which in a FWD car might not actually save you. Though I don't know if this is true if say, you hit ice, but at least in my sim racing, the best way to correct a FWD sliding is to put some power down to get traction off the front wheels. I once had to correct a slide in my AWD car which was the same procedure as RWD, but it was also low-speed. Wish I had some dirt roads to practise skid control in, or snow... maybe next winter.
@@MidnightGreen4649 yea i think skid control should be mandatory as well as full stop from high speed with and without abs. better yet get ppl to learn in long rwd cars and experience body roll and understeer and oversteer
@@nicktodorov669 Maybe we'd also get more young people interested in cars too. I made a sudden left with one of my friends in the backseat and once the shock wore off she thought it was kinda fun.
They do in Germany. This kind of stuff is part of the theoretical exam as well as some rules of thumb to estimate stopping distances at different speeds. One thing also thought is that there is a reaction distance (much longer than the simulated moving foot from gas to brake) because humans don’t react instantly. Additionally on narrow roads you should see twice your stopping time because oncoming traffic needs to be able to stop too.
They train you on all this in many EU countries
"babe wake up mick uploaded another one"
hahahaha let's goooooo
That’s the case for me I love your videos
@@account-r3w me too
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Great video! I always say this It’s about your mindset and attitude when driving and how much control you have. Your driving literally tells the type of person you are not your car. Also when someone is in your car, you are responsible for that person
Well said!
this is very much true.. driving in highway is like 70mph braking on that speed seems normal from inside the car but its a fast fast speed. so breaking is must to know if you wanna speed. very good video! kudos to u mate
Once, in a parking lot, I tried to brake from 40 mph to 0 as hard as I could. I stopped hard enough to make me feel quite light headed. Ever since then, the only time I'm tensed up when braking is when I'm in bad traffic and a car's behind me haha.
As always, great video, but I have a few fun facts to point out.
Sunday morning has less traffic, but probably more drunk drivers going back from parties, so I wouldn’t say there’s no chance of someone driving on the wrong side :)
Driving at night has a benefit of seeing someone’s high beams around the corner, so you actually have wallhack.
Your brakes are only as good as your tires. You could have Superman holding the rotors, but with no grip it’s just gonna trigger ABS anyway.
In germany we learn a handy formula in driving school. Your emergency braking distance (brakes fully applied) can be roughly calculated with: (Speed(kph) / 10)². So at 60mph (100kph) your emergency braking would roughly take up 100 meters. And at 30mph (~50kph) it would be 25 meters. Depending on the size of your brakes, this formula might or might not work for you, but for almost all stock brakes this is a good one to know. Drive safe everyone!
In south Africa if you leave a space in front of you large enough for another car to fit in you can be sure a car will take it from you.
In other words, at 30 mph, the stopping distance is about 6 car lengths for compact cars, 24 car lengths at 60 mph.
@@dammitdadSpace is a vacuum. In the UK it seems that people only think of the space in front of them as stopping distance and forget space behind them, cutting in front of other cars inches from them.
Especially that part on doing a track day,it really helps you know your car well It's strengths and weaknesses.Because you will always be alert about what's going to happen rather than getting a nasty surprise.
5 AM on Sunday actually can be even more dangerous btw. It's safe but can be another racer enjoying free roads ahead :D 2) can be a village tractor broken and without lights right around the corner or horses 3) drunk people heading home after a long night. But you know what I mean because the video is cool and you're telling the right things
Great video mate! It baffles me the amount of people who drive right up the back of other cars pushing their cars to the limit around every corner regardless of the conditions or capabilities of drivers around them and somehow get away with it.
The truth is even basic modern cars have such high limits that your average driver can't get them out of shape
@@MickDrivesCars I should explain i meant specifically country road corners that are particularly sharp and usually in rainy conditions.
The less traffic there is the more likely there's wildlife around or that you'll be the first person to come across things like downed trees,big rocks or a washed out bridge.
Unlikely but I have seen them all.
I was a passenger when we hit a deer at night. It jumped out and did the classic deer in the headlights look.
Luckily we were in a Yank Tank and could drive home.
One day in Colorado we saw deer after deer crossing so I let the car behind me pass. Sure enough one jumped out between us but it was daylight and I saw it in time.
I've seen many branches in the road and one tree,many rocks and one boulder.
The scariest was being the first one to find a bridge washed out in the fog at night.
There'd been heavy rains and something just didn't feel right so I slowed down to a crawl.
There's bold drivers and old drivers but very few old bold drivers.
I didn't catch it in the vid, so I wanted to emphasize how important to distinguish the difference in braking distance when you have really grippy tires vs hard tires. From the factory, your brakes are designed to apply more than enough force for any emergency stopping situation at least a few times consecutively before overheating.
Entertaining and high quality content as always thx for the upload! ^.^
Practice...practice...practice... Experience is your best ally just like most things. Knowing your car is paramount so you understand your limit vs car limit and finally, most importantly, understand anything can happen and when it does, there's no magic trick. The faster you go, the bigger the consequences. Whether you are responsible or not, more speed = more damage. Let that sink in and you'll naturally allow yourself wider margins when having a little fun, not just because you have a good understanding of where you're at but also because you have no idea where everyone else is at. Experience just helps you anticipate/react better and read other people's state of awareness and/or mindfulness. When you come around a corner, all bets are off. It doesn't take much speed at all to generate lethal force with a fat heap of metal. I love driving. Always have, always will. Posted speed limits are not my religion. However, I try to remain very mindful of all the above factors and it keeps me on a fairly tight leash, naturally. It doesn't matter what you're driving. The unspoken rules apply.
Conversely, experience can also be our worst enemy. Where I am from, experience tends to lull people into complacency, especially if drivers see other drivers successfully cutting into lanes (& successfully brake in time to avoid accidents). Most of the time, it is only when one has been in an accident or been in a close call that one realises how easy it can be to get into an accident.
@@matthewlee7405 For sure. I am however specifically preaching experience in mindfulness which goes a long way to making up for all the npc's out there and more generally minimizing risks that go hand in hand with the operation of a motor vehicle.
“People say I shouldn’t drive so fast on this road since there are driveways and someone could back out and hit me, and they’re right (but imma do it anyway 😏)” me too man me too, I can tell you and I have the same passion for driving, I think just like you do, keep up the videos, love em!
Its wild that not once was it ever mentioned about the car behind you
here in the US where theres a lot more traffic the chances of being rear ended is way higher than in these roads with no cars
Cars don't tend to catch me from behind :)
I would argue that the UK roads are far more congested than US roads.
@@ptb2008lol you must not live in a city with a dense highway
Even at 5am on a Sunday morning always drive within your viewable stopping distances....never drive in such a way that risks others.
The overall message in this video is extremely useful....and I wish a visit to a test track were part of obtaining a driving licence where stopping distances and real car control could be experienced.
Thanks
Damn, thank you!
I did a safety driving course. One important tip about stopping distance is to count the seconds. Always be at least 2 seconds behind the car in front or any conceivable obstacle (find a marker by the road that matches the car in front and count one elephant two elephant). 2 seconds seems like no time, but a LOT can happen (and go wrong) in that time. Make it 3 seconds if you’re stressed or visibility is bad or it’s raining.
I have him sim racing settup and to be honest it’s taught me so much that’s saved me more than once on the road
Me too, but reality and sim racing are two completely different things, and I would be extremely careful about over confidence driving, because you’re a good sim racer.
5:22 The car will not stop a lot quicker, it's brakes won't fade as fast, almost all brakes on consumer vehicles are capable of locking up the wheels (unless they weren't serviced) and ABS will kick in before that to keep it at peak deceleration. the most important variables on your stopping distance are traction and the ratio of vehicle weight to the contact patch of the tires
Tons of people driving fast don't realize that they also have to be prepared to stop and turn even faster. They never teach you these things in driving school, so most people are led to think going above the speed limit is dangerous, and the car, rather than the driver, is blamed when inevitably, people panic, freeze, and hit something hard and fast. I'm genuinely convinced that beyond airbags, ABS, TCS, and ESC, car safety systems are kind of useless. Ah, and crumple zones and whatnot are also nice to have too, up until it means your beloved car is totaled.
I always have a personal rule which is to drive in a manner which makes my passengers feel safe. Inevitably I wind up putting them to sleep lmao.
I'm a car guy, owned a dozen cars over time.
Occasionally people recommend me cars because of their crash safety features. I'm like - wouldn't you rather avoid crashing in the first place?
Most people treat electronic driver aids as the foundation of their driving skill.
@@JayMaverick There IS a benefit- lower insurance! I am lucky that my car's driving nannies don't interfere with the fun much, and so I don't really bother turning them off except for the stupid lane keep assist. If it's found that you disabled any safety system then insurance will probably screw you over. sadly that's the nature of the game.
My parents were concerned about the crash safety of my WRX (which is really funny because they got it new for me as a high school gift) because it was a sedan... the thing is so stable through corners it scares me, and the brakes for a car built from the parts bin are great on the street. Feels much safer than any other car I've been in, save for my friend's dad's Tesla. And that thing feels safe just because he's a very experienced driver.
@@MidnightGreen4649Exactly, I don't get the discourse around safety features being "intrusive." You really mean to tell me that automatic emergency braking, cross traffic warning, pedestrian detection, so on and so forth are actually intrusive in your day-to-day driving? And is it really that hard to use your damn turn signals to stop the lane keep assist from kicking in? I don't personally have these features, but I feel much safer on the road knowing that the 5500lb Ford Expedition behind me won't kill me in a rear end collision if the driver is busy yelling at her kids in the back seat.
@@d47000 You must not have read my initial comment then. In MY car I have not noticed them intrude on my driving. I would rather do without them, as the mere knowledge of these safety systems' existence affects your behavior and attitude towards driving the car itself. In my opinion that change makes for more distracted drivers who assume the car will compensate for their abilities. In my car specifically, I do not drive in a manner where the systems activate and I consciously feel it. So as far as I am concerned it does not matter to me whether they are on or off.
In the end, and I say this as an engineering student, the optimization of one quality will inevitably impede on other qualities. In just about every practical case... that's not good at all in product design.
As far as lane keep goes... there's times when you do need to cut the line slightly and it would be silly to give your turn signal. For example, road work. Some systems also do impede driving in cars because they are predictive, and it's hard to accurately predict 100% of the time when a crash will occur... so you have models built into the software that tries to account for that 99% and sometimes you do get a 1% false positive, or even worse, a 1% false negative. If the safety system is never active then you are probably a good conscientious driver. But Karen arguing with her demon spawn will find a way to rear-end you even with her car being designed to not crash into anything.
sleepy passengers are the pinnacle of a great driver
When I was younger in my teens I was more reckless but in my mid 20s, I personally just don't have that much trust in other road users. Someone can decide to overtake at a bend or think they're following a racing line and use the opposite lanes, I only really hit those extremely high speeds if the roads are absolutely clear and I can clearly see there's no vehicle around. If it's a long straight and no opposite traffic then I'll absolutely put my foot down but if there are a lot of bends where visibility isn't 100%, it's not that I don't trust my own abilities because I do but I don't trust others to not do something stupid.
your voice is poetic! hooks my mind and all you say directly gets into the head. Even when english is my second language.
Damn, that's high praise! Thank you
one thing that causes a lot of highspeed crashes is when your in a difficult situation and you take to long, precisely, (less than a second) to decide what cut or what your going to do to get by upcoming traffic. I see a lot of guys hesitating a lot on there decisions when theyre swimming or cutting through traffic and that's an easy way to crash.
Bottom line: go to the track once a month and you will naturally go slower on public roads. Everybody wins and nobody's hurt.
The Sunday 5 am example goes both ways, there might solve some Saturday night out dude thinking the same under the influence of alcohol, I saw a study most accidents happen during early mornings of Sunday, it’s best to have a visualization of how much you can control instead of relying on low traffic.
last technic, you are a goat, you disable abs and you master the out of braking without wheel locking :)
These are tips not only for driving fast but for driving in general
Golden rule: You must always be able to stop safely on your side of the road in the distance that you can see to be clear. In situations where you share the road with oncoming traffic this should be half the distance.
Brow of a hill, limit point on a bend, heavy rain or fog, vehicle in front, darkness... those are all the distance you can see to be clear.
Cinetic energy goes up as a quadratic function (E = (mv^2)/2) so it makes sense that it was something like 4 times the distance:
E1 = m*v^2/2
E2 = m* (2v)^2/2
E2 = m*4v^2/2 = 4E1
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That’s because the resistant work done by the brakes is Fxd where F is the braking force (assumed constant) and d is the braking distance. This resistance work must dissipate the entirety of the kinetic energy 1/2mv^2. Therefore:
d = 1/2 mv^2 / F
Hence the quadratic dependence of d on v.
You can also derive this from the equations of movement.
@@l-_-lShadowCat Thanks for complementing my answer! I hadn't completed the thought (nor had I the knowledge to), so I appreciate the help.
@@Dante-nu5cn You’re very welcome!
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I had a stag jump out in front of me on a steep down grade at a corner when I was going about 60 and thank goodness I saw him on the side of the road and started slowing before he decided to jump. It was the size of a horse. And he slipped and fell when his hooves lost their traction on the smooth pavement. Fell on his side and thank goodness his momentum carried him into the next lane (spraying piss the whole time on the car as well) when I was fully stopped he was right next to the driver's door. So for hunters in the Susanville area, this was near the top of the down grade into town, the biggest buck I have ever seen.
Nice demos, I will try to get my young son to watch the channel and to also subscribe. My driver friend and me have almost come to serious grief when driving down a gravel mountain road, when his wheels locked up, instead of counter steering, he tried turning with the slide, and we ended up perched halfway off a 300-metre drop. Cheers.
In case of danger you should just forget the clutch and break as much as you can (you stop faster)
You might notice in the bloopers at the end I actually stalled on the 1st run because I did exactly that :)
@@MickDrivesCars The "double the speed 4x the distance" is something you do in physics class to learn about how kinetic energy works. the formula is (1/2)m(v^2), where v is the speed of your car in this case. if you replace that with 2v (so in this case you double the speed) you have (2v^2) which is 4v. since you come to a complete stop, the brakes have to dissipate all that kinetic energy, so at twice the speed the brakes need to remove 4x the energy in every case.
Also, tires play a huge role as stickier tires can prevent brake lockup and the activation of ABS. I only had ABS come on when I was braking hard and turning in the rain doing autocross. So either my tires were great or I was not fast enough :0
New to driving, learning a lot from this channel. Subbed.
this is really good and informative even for people who don't purposefully drive fast. every driver should watch this
Fun fact bmw has a system when u take ur foot fast of the gas it shorts the distance on the brakepads so the when u hit it it instantly stops. Also on rain it shortens the distance so there is less water in the pads
Looks like BMW turns the hazard lights on automatically during a hard breaking event, I didn't notice him touching the hazards button.
@@ddhsd nowadays a lot of cars do that and its actually a quite useful feature
10:00 Remember that you should be looking for potholes, too, in addition to incoming traffic or tractors. When you go over a small hill, you can see that there are no other cars but when do you actually see the road surface well enough to be sure that there are no potholes? If you don't want to break your car, you have to be able to stop before a huge pothole in the ground, too. You cannot assume that there's free lane to go around it.
EK=½mv²
Increase in velocity has a massive change in the kinetic energy.
I realise this is a very basic way of looking at it but it gets the point across
Magazine 60mph-0 distances (usually 30-35m for production cars) and 70mph-0 distances (usually 45-50m for production cars) are good indicators. You will need a heck of a distance to slow down from 120mph which you will hit on some stretches of straights on b-roads. Also, you don't always need to brake to 0, if you spot something out of your current calculation (seeing some light, objects on road, some car coming out from a side road etc), you can always slow down to a comfortable speed and speculate. Always see far and look at the direction you want to go.
There are also lift off/snap oversteers for newer drivers, changes in road cambers, changes in elevations especially during bends, bends that get tighter, these kind of things can really throw you off when you are speeding. Rain/puddles/sand/wet leaves/snow/ice/oil slicks will amplify all situations. So yes, always start slow, then speed up, real life driving is not a video game where you can rewind or repair everything with game credit.
For that brake test, I recommend doing it down a hill. I tested my brakes for breaking distance, and the one time I needed to stop in an emergency, I crashed because it was downhill and the car did not stop in time. I even had video of it, and my reaction time was not the issue. Definitely tested brakes down a hill.
1. One thing I learned in my half a million miles of driving, is to imagine the steering wheel getting heavier and heavier the faster you go. When on the motorway, imagine it to have become a millstone. Believe it or not this really works to prevent you turning it too suddenly, even in an emergency. I came up with this idea because one of my cars had special geared steering that made the steering range smaller the faster you went, and it did kind of feel like that. For your interest the car was a Renault Laguna.
2. Something many people get wrong is to try to drive around the front of a suddenly passing car. I'm astonished how often people do this. If a vehicle suddenly crosses your path the habit should be to go round its rear, as this is where it will not be in a second.
3. Get on the brakes immediately, not the horn. An unbelievable amount of drivers hit the horn first and then apply the brakes, as if it's their job to tell off the other driver. If you apply the brakes immediately you may not have the crash at all. Your job is to also avoid the potential crash. Let the insurance companies tell each other off. Also, never EVER use the horn to warn a pedestrian of danger other than your own car. They will turn and look at you instead of at the danger. I've seen this go badly wrong.
4. Look ahead as far as you can into the distance. Another major flaw in many people's driving is not to look far enough ahead. Look as far ahead as you can, and if you are going round a bend and cannot safely stop in the visible range, you are going too fast. Slow down until the apex of the bend does not appear to be moving towards you. This is a phenomenon described in the police drivers training manual.
5. Never let emotions into your driving. Be a cold calm machine. Don't play exciting or loud music. If someone overtakes you, don't take it personally. It isn't a race. Be proud of being unfazed. Let them go on ahead rather than tangling with them. You braking while someone tries to overtake you helps them overtake you quicker - and overtaking is the most dangerous thing anyone does on the road, so help make it safer by being over sooner. And if they are really speeding along, let them be far away and ahead of you rather than entangled.
"5Am on a Sunday morning gone out for a drive and you want to enjoy your car" probably the most creepy thing i have heard this week 😀
12:08 it takes 2 people who are out on that quiet 5am sunday morning who swerve into the oncoming lane on a corner for a very grim outcome.
Been waiting for a new vid Mick, i have 2 questions/suggestions if possible. 1) Heel and toe, please make a vid about it! you're insane with explaining things and one of the only car enthusiasts that have been able to help me with things in the past. 2) How to drive a fast car you are not used to, been wanting to do a car hire/track day but in a gt3 rs or something like that, and my ford fiesta is a little bit different in power, not really sure how to transfer the skills over😂
As always love and appreciate your content man. Much love.
Thanks for the kind words!
Two videos for you:
''how to drive fast in a manual'' - there's a whole section on rev match/heel-toe with footage of the pedals. I will do a full heel/toe video in future.
''how to drive powerful RWD cars'' - lots for you there about driving rwd for the first time/handling more power than you're used to. But 100% road focused. Short version is TC will save everything and don't worry, unless it's an old car.
@@MickDrivesCars Much appreciated brother, gonna watch these now, looking forward to more coming from you
Yes Tires!
I know this is probably not a major issue for you but for me where I am having tries that are good in the winter or in mud are essential... don't cheap out, buy decent tires😊
Unless you have super weak bicycle brakes on there, your stopping distance is mainly a function of your tyre grip on the road rather than if you have enormous track brakes or stock drum rotors. They just need to be strong enough to lock up the tyres, and then you have maximum possible braking capacity for that situation. (If you don't have the ability to lock the wheels or trigger the anti-lock threshold, you will need to get them looked at. You want a car that can stop as quickly as possible.) The track brakes take longer to overheat though, so if you need to use the brakes a lot and from high speeds and downhill, they are the better option. For one stop from 60, I doubt anything is overheating except the bicycle brakes haha.
What I was surprised at was that going higher tire pressure was almost as bad as going lower for grip. I thought my steering was sharper at 40-45 psi but since let some air out again if it hinders ultimate grip. I wasn't expecting lower grip unless you did silly pressure like 60+ psi. I saw several tests both on this channel, also that russian "joke car mods" channel Garage 54, and also another video with a track test where the car was comparatively skittish with a 10psi over the manufacturer's recommended pressure. I did tell my mother not to drive off with one of the wheels at 10psi though.
Remember, the laws of physics dole out punishments far worse than any police or court system.
Even if you have enough distance to stop at your visual limit, the other car also needs that same distance, so you would need double the distance. Just slow down and I also think you need to try the anti-lock brake and see if it is better at stopping.
Great video, Mick! Definitely a must-watch for beginner drivers. It's sad that on the driving lessons (at least here in my country), they don't mention 90% of the stuff you've said in this video.
I really love the content you do
Reaction time is not about moving your foot from one pedal to another but the whole thing from seeing something unexpected, having the brain process that okay, this is something that needs me to reduce speed, then move the foot from one pedal to another and start pressing the brakes. Note that within that time, if your brain might figure out that "I need to slow down" which obviously results in much less pedal action that "OMG, brake now!!!" which you're testing here.
The extra movement of your feet is maybe 100 ms. The rest of the reaction time is more like 1000 ms.
Love your communication skills and your content, and the M2!!! Keep up with the videos!
One time I was driving on a highway behind a truck and got to a part of the road that's totally straight for a while, allowing great visibility to pass. There were some cars coming, so I waited then, the opposite road completely clear I switched lanes only for the truck to shift over too as turns out there was a bicyclists riding on the side. They were completely covered by the truck so there was no way for me to see or expect it. Luckily there was enough shoulder for me to halfway drift off and I also sped up to quickly pass as I was right by the truck as that point. So even when doing everything you can there can still be curveballs. Now I keep in mind how much shoulder there is as well when I pass in case I need it.
Great video for youngsters.
In the 80s in my XR3 van, twin carbs& fast road cam btw; I was having fun at 5:00AM. Roads must be empty…….bar bloody milkmen 🤣. Close, but ok.
At 100mph +to 156mph, I’ll speed on an empty stretch. As soon as I am overtaking, I slow to a stop/avoid speed as the traffic I am passing could do anything. Maybe something worth filming?
Clear again, foot down. (Run flats on AMG Estate btw before someone says blow out) yes I have had blowouts on other vehicles and motorcycles. Front on a bike is fkn hairy. Stayed upright.
Another thing, tailgating is bad. You are better cautiously undertaking than tailgating someone that refuses to move over when there’s no reason to be in that lane.
Ice throws another wild card. Be aware if you are climbing a mountain in winter for black ice. Only time I have crashed a bike. I was also taught how to drive on ice including skid control.
If in doubt and you loose control, so long as impact isn’t imminent, just take your feet off and steer.
No abs, eba etc then. Also lectures off cops which is now sadly lost to £££££ I learned by those lectures.
Since 1984 passing my tests, I have never had a serious accident. Ice was something where I lived. A beautiful twisting road ascending more than you think with a stream at the side. Where I crashed was where it crossed. Mist had created black ice across a hairpin double bend. Lovely dry cold day otherwise.
In the summer on a bike, you can ride 70-100mph (I was younger then and roads were a lot quieter)
You could drive on a Sunday morning, 20-30 miles and not see another vehicle then. Driving was enjoyable then.
Speed doesn’t kill, driver error and speed in incorrect places does.
The issue I have with your "judgement calls" about risk and risk tolerance is, you can make that assessment for yourself, but you CANNOT make that assessment for anyone else. If you're in a place where there is expectation for public traffic to be around AT ALL, you have no reason to be driving beyond what is safe, and really you should be including margin for error of at least like, 20%.
Drive fast on private roads. Drive sane on public ones.
One point that wasn't mentioned is that if somebody is overtaking and coming towards you, you have to at least half the distance, so the other person can stop too. This is especially important on smaller roads.
Also hills are something else to be aware of if you might have to slow down faster.
It’s funny to notice that the volume knob is on the passenger's side, unlike in left-hand versions of the car. As a driver, I have volume control on the steering wheel, but my passengers have to reach over to the driver's side, which is quite inconvenient
Mashing the brake to 100% and triggering ABS definitely contributed to the 4x braking distance.
But yeah, active critical thinking is the key. I genuinely don’t understand how someone can send it with their brain relaxed…
It's funny, I made a video a long time ago about braking and how you should progressively load the front suspension to get maximum brake efficiency. People told me I'm an idiot and just mashing 100% and letting ABS take care of it is faster :)
I made a conscious decision in this video to not do it ''properly'' but rather brake as someone might in an emergency. I recon sub 25m is possible if I got the tires/brakes warm and did it right.
@@MickDrivesCars Well, seems you’ve outgrown those people lol. Threshold braking is King.
Good choice for the video, though, as not everyone will have experience with braking to just before your ABS kicks in/will want to practice and familiarise themselves with it.
@@MickDrivesCars You did it right. I heavily doubt one would be able to do a proper threshold braking in emergency conditions, its just too much stress. May be after a sec of ABS braking confident driver would find enough courage to lift the brake pedal a bit, donno =). 1st normal reaction would be emergency braking and thats ok I believe.
This video was very informative!! Thanks ...
Glad it was helpful!
Yo Mick I’m happy for you bro! The channel is growing you updated your car and you still making great videos 😎 btw you still using a camera attached to your cap while recording or you updated that too? 😜
Seeing this days on my recommended after the death of 1stock😢. Sip🕊️
thanks for the tips ... stay safe out there !!🥰🥰😍😍😍
I think in both cases there are controllable elements. A more accurate label for each would be "offensive" versus "defensive".
Bro wtf happened when you counted meters "2...4...6...8..." HAHAHAHA WHAT 😭😭
Amazing vid man, can help a lot of people who are starting out for sure!! Be safe everyone, but don't forget to be fast when conditions are good 😝
My 2009 and 2013 328i (3 of them) were all great at going fast on curvy narrow mountain roads. What was just normal to me would give a lifetime of nightmares to a passenger unused to good/fast driving. Mostly because I knew the highway like the back of my hand. And had M sport grip on the pavement. But, I would not do that now with my 2019 740i. It is an excellent car but BMW went to fly by wire steering in 2014. The steering has zero road feel to clue the driver. Since there is no feed back you get no information on how much steering is required for the circumstances, meaning you have to be very alert and focused at all times, this results in micro steering even on flat dry straight roads. Very small corrections continuously. One of the things I loved about my 328i's was that they handled like they were on rails. The 740i just seems to constantly want to go left or right almost like the tires are rolling grossly overinflated so that they are not making solid contact. I probably won't ever buy another BMW because of this. The weight they saved is not worth giving up the feel of the road for if no other reason safety.
Oh my God there is so much common sense in this. Drive safe!
6:30. Double the speed, 4x the distance is correct. The brake's job is to dissipate kinetic energy (speed) as heat. When you are going double the speed, you have four times the kinetic energy since kinetic energy is 1/2mv².
Also, with manual, ofc we usually go in the highest gear, however, if you get to have the ability u can use ur gearbox to emergency brakes, be careful dont blow ur gearbox going into a too low gear
Very educational, thank you!
This is so calming and helpful
S = v^2 ÷ 2a, so stopping distance increases exponentially with higher velocity meaning if the speed was doubled, the stopping distance would quadruple, also if the speed was halved the stopping distance would drop to 1/4 of its original length
Bro what a top G. Video. Subbed
Good advice, how about having your headlights on during the day? Small dark car can be difficult to see in strong sunlight and deep shadows.
This should be demonstrated in driving lessons, i believe this kind of experience could reduce the amount of accidents around 10% - 20%. Some people doesn't pay attention about braking especially on panic situations, 80% driver would just slam the brakes. They didn't even calculate the brake portion between him self and people behinds. Even in the most dangerous incident i did not ever put the brakes pedals to the metals, because i also want people behind me had some space and times had the best decision to avoid an incident.
Here's is the clause i made for you guys : (under control)
"If you ever put the brakes pedal to metals it means you're drivin beyond the limits of your car, either your self"
Great video and topic! Thanks :)
These are the most essential skills to stay safe when driving fast. Even for normal driving they're helpful (yes, it's rare but sometimes the speed limit is too high for the road).
Every time I test drive a car I intend to buy, a ~40mph braking test is mandatory, even if the dealer is there (don't forget to warn). That gives you a good idea on the brakes condition (no swerving allowed on a level road) and ability.
You won't be penalised if you can't beat the acceleration stated on the manual, but that 1 meter you didn't know you needed when doing 60-0 or 30-0, because you didn't spend extra on a good set of tyres, and/or didn't want to burn a little rubber on your braking test, will cost you dearly.
Kinetic Energy KE = 1/2 MV^2 So when the velocity increases your KE is going exponentially higer with V^2
So if you double your speed your stopping distance quadruples since your breaking power remains constant for your car regardless of your speed.
There is plenty of research that shows skills based training has no effect on crash statistics. In fact, there is evidence that racing car drivers have more crashes on roads. Cognitive biases play a huge role, such as confirmation bias, optimism bias and the Dunning-Kruger effect. This effect is demonstrated as over 80% of drivers think they are above average in their driving skills. Unsurprisingly, young males are some of the highest at risk for KSI's. Maybe Mick could do some videos to help reduce this instead?
Higher crash rate and severity as compared to other drivers when going at the same speed as others driving normally?
I mean, it's pretty straightforward when you think about it.
Some people simply drive adhering to rules and in a safe manner, to the best of their ability.
And then there are people that 'train' to drive... Unsafely.
Yes, sure, a trained unsafe driver is better than an untrained one, but what does it matter when both of them are unsafe.
Or maybe a trained one indeed is just as bad because whatever advantage he has is balanced out by him doing even riskier manoeuvres.
What are KSI's?
@@nightsleeper2721 Killed and seriously injured
Even a world-class race car driver would have less skill in avoiding real-world accidents than a professional driver who drives all day for decades on real streets. To say that defensive driving skills training would have no effect on reducing accidents is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Being a professional race car driver does not make him the best defensive driver that is a totally different skill set.
Practicing braking is actually very important.
Kinetic energy is equal to 1/2 • mass • velocity squared so double the velocity is exactly 4x the kinetic energy the brakes have to dissipate, so yeah double the velocity is 4x the braking distance (assuming energy dissipation is the limiting factor and not traction etc) 😊
if i am not wrong, you're driving a manual car. Like if you utilize engine braking too when slamming on brakes, you can stop in less than 30 meters when going 60 mph.
Try the same test on same spec car but with automatic transmission car.
Great video! Thanks Mick
Good stuff!!! Thank you!
This geezer is rapid!!
The best way is to start watching crash compilations. That way you will learn to recognise situations which can lead to a crash, and avoide it before the situation even develops. I did that a few times, I adjusted my driving to avoid the situatiin to develop into a carsh. While the clueless driver whonwould have caused the accident remained clueless. I've probably seen like tens of thousands of crashes by now, maybe even 100 thousand. 🤭
best video title ive seen in ages, straight to the point LMAO
that RPM HUD is lit
As a fellow BMW driver, I approve of this message. My driving may at times seem erratic to others but I am fully in control and have calculated the location, direction, and state of the vehicle now, and 10 seconds into the future.
The number of people who have said this and then crashed is crazy
Very life-changing advice 🤯
great channel mate...Watching you in Bosnia too
If your watching this guy because you wanna drive fast don’t drive fast
Yerp
No💯
I'd probably triple this braking distance. I start braking quickly but it takes me a good second to realize I need to do a full stop in a lot of cases.
your videos are class mate, really useful information
Much appreciated!
Best thing to do according to me, practice on a driving simulator with heavy traffic