@@Nitrousatoll I hope things ended (relatively) well for you lol. I nearly learned the hard way several times... I am very lucky I've still got my car and my mates.
I actually had to do basically this exact braking practice before getting my drivers license, in Sweden everyone has to do a driving exam where you slide cars around and get "reality checks" like what's shown in this video. It was a real eye opener when the instructor made us do a "moose test" at a high rate of speed but with a twist, the twist was that the cones were set up to have a route on both the left and right side of the "moose". The instructor would tell us which way to turn over the radio about 1 second before we had to turn but every single driver including me told the instructor that they told this information to us too late (in our minds, it felt like we had already hit the "moose" when he told us which way to steer). We then went slower and he did the same thing, this time every team managed to avoid the hazard. Reaction times are a real issue we all have to consider
double the speed is usually 4x the distance as braking distance is proportional to the square of the speed. i wish this was something we actually learned in driving lessons and just overall physics of driving like weight transfer
the most i ever learned was how to correct a skid and even then it was useless info for anything not RWD. they told you to lift off and counter steer which in a FWD car might not actually save you. Though I don't know if this is true if say, you hit ice, but at least in my sim racing, the best way to correct a FWD sliding is to put some power down to get traction off the front wheels. I once had to correct a slide in my AWD car which was the same procedure as RWD, but it was also low-speed. Wish I had some dirt roads to practise skid control in, or snow... maybe next winter.
@@MidnightGreen4649 yea i think skid control should be mandatory as well as full stop from high speed with and without abs. better yet get ppl to learn in long rwd cars and experience body roll and understeer and oversteer
@@nicktodorov669 Maybe we'd also get more young people interested in cars too. I made a sudden left with one of my friends in the backseat and once the shock wore off she thought it was kinda fun.
Not even on a Sunday at 5am - there could be someone from the opposite way that also decided to go on a spirited drive. Just never drive beyond your sight/vision. It's risky.
It's actually funny because a minute before he said that, there was a pheasant running across the street. Now guess when wild animals are the most active.
True, you can stop quickly on tiny drums if your tires are good enough. Applicable force to the pads is rarely the limiting factor except in large heavy goods vehicles, and some old worn out bicycle brakes. Otherwise you could say "I can stop faster because my leg is stronger" - an argument I've never heard for braking performance. The big discs are for accelerating and braking over and over again, where drums or smaller discs would overheat. It's also possible that from speeds of over 150 mph, you can overheat stock brakes in one fell swoop. With more power utilized and downhill, you can put more kinetic energy into the car and take it out again, over and over. On the public road I'm more of a hypermiler, so drums all around would be okay for me. They don't rub as much and save fuel anyway.
@@MickDrivesCars Except they don't. Smaller brakes on an economy car will stop the car equally as fast as your sporty big ones. All what brakes do is lock up your wheels, from then on the braking performance is all dependant on your tyres and road contact, and external factors like road condition and weight of your car etc. It doesn't matter if they are big or small brakes, as long as they are sufficiently strong to provide the pressure needed to lock the wheels, which all modern brakes do, big or small. The advantage bigger brakes give you, is that they don't fade as fast or overheat when you perform aggressive braking multiple times in a row. In an economy car, you'll (hopefully or you're driving poorly) only need aggresive fast braking in an emergency, so not often. Think about it, if bigger brakes actually would make you stop significantly faster, all cars would be equipped with it, as basic road safety is paramount in the industry and not something that would be exclusive to sport cars (just like airbags, ABS, ESP, etc.). An economy 'normal' car drives just as fast on the road as a sport car, and needs to slow down just as fast as a sports car. Only difference is it doesn't accelerate that fast and doesn't need to do aggressive manoevres over and over again.
Great video! I always say this It’s about your mindset and attitude when driving and how much control you have. Your driving literally tells the type of person you are not your car. Also when someone is in your car, you are responsible for that person
Especially that part on doing a track day,it really helps you know your car well It's strengths and weaknesses.Because you will always be alert about what's going to happen rather than getting a nasty surprise.
As a fellow BMW driver, I approve of this message. My driving may at times seem erratic to others but I am fully in control and have calculated the location, direction, and state of the vehicle now, and 10 seconds into the future.
moral of the story is that public roads are not for racing, go to the track, as much as you try to control all the things you can , there will always be things beyond your control, even if its 1% risk/chance, that 1% can cost your life or someone else's
In germany we learn a handy formula in driving school. Your emergency braking distance (brakes fully applied) can be roughly calculated with: (Speed(kph) / 10)². So at 60mph (100kph) your emergency braking would roughly take up 100 meters. And at 30mph (~50kph) it would be 25 meters. Depending on the size of your brakes, this formula might or might not work for you, but for almost all stock brakes this is a good one to know. Drive safe everyone!
Tons of people driving fast don't realize that they also have to be prepared to stop and turn even faster. They never teach you these things in driving school, so most people are led to think going above the speed limit is dangerous, and the car, rather than the driver, is blamed when inevitably, people panic, freeze, and hit something hard and fast. I'm genuinely convinced that beyond airbags, ABS, TCS, and ESC, car safety systems are kind of useless. Ah, and crumple zones and whatnot are also nice to have too, up until it means your beloved car is totaled. I always have a personal rule which is to drive in a manner which makes my passengers feel safe. Inevitably I wind up putting them to sleep lmao.
I'm a car guy, owned a dozen cars over time. Occasionally people recommend me cars because of their crash safety features. I'm like - wouldn't you rather avoid crashing in the first place? Most people treat electronic driver aids as the foundation of their driving skill.
@@JayMaverick There IS a benefit- lower insurance! I am lucky that my car's driving nannies don't interfere with the fun much, and so I don't really bother turning them off except for the stupid lane keep assist. If it's found that you disabled any safety system then insurance will probably screw you over. sadly that's the nature of the game. My parents were concerned about the crash safety of my WRX (which is really funny because they got it new for me as a high school gift) because it was a sedan... the thing is so stable through corners it scares me, and the brakes for a car built from the parts bin are great on the street. Feels much safer than any other car I've been in, save for my friend's dad's Tesla. And that thing feels safe just because he's a very experienced driver.
@@MidnightGreen4649Exactly, I don't get the discourse around safety features being "intrusive." You really mean to tell me that automatic emergency braking, cross traffic warning, pedestrian detection, so on and so forth are actually intrusive in your day-to-day driving? And is it really that hard to use your damn turn signals to stop the lane keep assist from kicking in? I don't personally have these features, but I feel much safer on the road knowing that the 5500lb Ford Expedition behind me won't kill me in a rear end collision if the driver is busy yelling at her kids in the back seat.
@@d47000 You must not have read my initial comment then. In MY car I have not noticed them intrude on my driving. I would rather do without them, as the mere knowledge of these safety systems' existence affects your behavior and attitude towards driving the car itself. In my opinion that change makes for more distracted drivers who assume the car will compensate for their abilities. In my car specifically, I do not drive in a manner where the systems activate and I consciously feel it. So as far as I am concerned it does not matter to me whether they are on or off. In the end, and I say this as an engineering student, the optimization of one quality will inevitably impede on other qualities. In just about every practical case... that's not good at all in product design. As far as lane keep goes... there's times when you do need to cut the line slightly and it would be silly to give your turn signal. For example, road work. Some systems also do impede driving in cars because they are predictive, and it's hard to accurately predict 100% of the time when a crash will occur... so you have models built into the software that tries to account for that 99% and sometimes you do get a 1% false positive, or even worse, a 1% false negative. If the safety system is never active then you are probably a good conscientious driver. But Karen arguing with her demon spawn will find a way to rear-end you even with her car being designed to not crash into anything.
Cinetic energy goes up as a quadratic function (E = (mv^2)/2) so it makes sense that it was something like 4 times the distance: E1 = m*v^2/2 E2 = m* (2v)^2/2 E2 = m*4v^2/2 = 4E1
That’s because the resistant work done by the brakes is Fxd where F is the braking force (assumed constant) and d is the braking distance. This resistance work must dissipate the entirety of the kinetic energy 1/2mv^2. Therefore: d = 1/2 mv^2 / F Hence the quadratic dependence of d on v. You can also derive this from the equations of movement.
As always, great video, but I have a few fun facts to point out. Sunday morning has less traffic, but probably more drunk drivers going back from parties, so I wouldn’t say there’s no chance of someone driving on the wrong side :) Driving at night has a benefit of seeing someone’s high beams around the corner, so you actually have wallhack. Your brakes are only as good as your tires. You could have Superman holding the rotors, but with no grip it’s just gonna trigger ABS anyway.
@@MickDrivesCars The "double the speed 4x the distance" is something you do in physics class to learn about how kinetic energy works. the formula is (1/2)m(v^2), where v is the speed of your car in this case. if you replace that with 2v (so in this case you double the speed) you have (2v^2) which is 4v. since you come to a complete stop, the brakes have to dissipate all that kinetic energy, so at twice the speed the brakes need to remove 4x the energy in every case. Also, tires play a huge role as stickier tires can prevent brake lockup and the activation of ABS. I only had ABS come on when I was braking hard and turning in the rain doing autocross. So either my tires were great or I was not fast enough :0
EK=½mv² Increase in velocity has a massive change in the kinetic energy. I realise this is a very basic way of looking at it but it gets the point across
I didn't catch it in the vid, so I wanted to emphasize how important to distinguish the difference in braking distance when you have really grippy tires vs hard tires. From the factory, your brakes are designed to apply more than enough force for any emergency stopping situation at least a few times consecutively before overheating. Entertaining and high quality content as always thx for the upload! ^.^
A lot of people here have failed math in school but are doing formula on breaking distance. Just drive like a normal person and go to the track once a month.
Magazine 60mph-0 distances (usually 30-35m for production cars) and 70mph-0 distances (usually 45-50m for production cars) are good indicators. You will need a heck of a distance to slow down from 120mph which you will hit on some stretches of straights on b-roads. Also, you don't always need to brake to 0, if you spot something out of your current calculation (seeing some light, objects on road, some car coming out from a side road etc), you can always slow down to a comfortable speed and speculate. Always see far and look at the direction you want to go. There are also lift off/snap oversteers for newer drivers, changes in road cambers, changes in elevations especially during bends, bends that get tighter, these kind of things can really throw you off when you are speeding. Rain/puddles/sand/wet leaves/snow/ice/oil slicks will amplify all situations. So yes, always start slow, then speed up, real life driving is not a video game where you can rewind or repair everything with game credit.
this is very much true.. driving in highway is like 70mph braking on that speed seems normal from inside the car but its a fast fast speed. so breaking is must to know if you wanna speed. very good video! kudos to u mate
Once, in a parking lot, I tried to brake from 40 mph to 0 as hard as I could. I stopped hard enough to make me feel quite light headed. Ever since then, the only time I'm tensed up when braking is when I'm in bad traffic and a car's behind me haha.
I'm always so jealous of how twisty roads are outside of the United States. Of course, the United States has lots of twisty highways you can find in the mountains, but Americans have a weird, almost psychotic obsessions with squares and rectangles, seriously, compare a map of U.S. roads to anywhere over the Atlantic and it's an alarming difference. As a result, 95% of the U.S. driving experience is going straight, slowing, and turning 90 degrees. Going straight, slowing, and turning 90 degrees. Over, and over, and over, and over. It's quite maddening and I have to wonder if the mind numbing nature of the road layout doesn't have some influence on America's hilarious road accident statistics. I also have to wonder if tires across the Atlantic wear more evenly, since you are turning more often and with less input. Maybe I should compare some UKDM/EUDM owner's manuals to USDM ones to see if they recommend different tire rotation schedules.
Been waiting for a new vid Mick, i have 2 questions/suggestions if possible. 1) Heel and toe, please make a vid about it! you're insane with explaining things and one of the only car enthusiasts that have been able to help me with things in the past. 2) How to drive a fast car you are not used to, been wanting to do a car hire/track day but in a gt3 rs or something like that, and my ford fiesta is a little bit different in power, not really sure how to transfer the skills over😂 As always love and appreciate your content man. Much love.
Thanks for the kind words! Two videos for you: ''how to drive fast in a manual'' - there's a whole section on rev match/heel-toe with footage of the pedals. I will do a full heel/toe video in future. ''how to drive powerful RWD cars'' - lots for you there about driving rwd for the first time/handling more power than you're used to. But 100% road focused. Short version is TC will save everything and don't worry, unless it's an old car.
The kinetic (moving) energy of a moving body is proportional to the square of its speed (KE = 1/2.m[mass].v.v), therefore higher speeds require considerably longer stopping distances, and brake heating rises dramatically. Put another way, if a car has 1 unit of energy at 30mph, it will have more than 5 units of energy at 70mph.
It's like the impact force of a crash at 25 vs 50, surely it's just twice as much at 60 right? Wrong, it's 4 times greater, at 75, it's *9 times* greater.
Mick have you driven through Wales? I've just got back from a trip around Snowdonia in my TT. The quality of the roads along with the beautiful scenery around almost every corner made for some of the most enjoyable driving experiences I've ever had
@@MickDrivesCars In that video you state that you're going to miss the Megane so much. Four months later, do you miss the Megane as much as you expected?
It was a wonderful car. I really miss the practicality. Hatchbacks are great. Experience/fun/enjoyment/whatever you're chasing... M2 is in a different league.
5:00 Rotor size doesn't matter in breaking distance, tire width does. Bigger rotors fade less on heavy use, but wider tires have grater surface area to grip. So a mazda miata with 325 section tire will stop in a shorter distance than your M2 with 225.
Understeer give it more gas use manual mode as well usually helps to have more control to control your gears, don't go fast downhill especially with curves. Don't go crazy in a bunch of traffick
@@danielp.1594 What the fuck was ironic with what you said? I'm sick of people calling irony every time they say something stupid. Learn what irony means.
@@JokerLover123 It is completely obvious that you drive on the left side. Definition of irony: "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result" So we have it. The comment implies that the way of driving in Britain is inherently wrong. Not a humor for everyone (and everyone is free to ignore a comment on the internet).
@@1239719 Thats what I think too, but I have had people tell me that traction control can slow you down or do stuff you don’t expect and make your crash🤷🏻♂️ I think it’s maybe depending on how good of a driver you are in the first place too
@@Acs08 Of course it can slow you down. But it will slow you down when you are loosing traction, and you don't want to be in that situation in a road open to traffic, cyclists, etc. Even if you were the best driver possible, you will never be as effective as the traction control.
If the worst is inevitable or about to happen look for the space you can stop in. Or have an escape route. The other week I thought I was going to have a head on with an idiot overtaking 5 cars on a blind hill. Slammed the brakes on and looked at the space I could use and ready to go through the hedge if needed luckily didn't need to . I've not been that scared since I crashed my bike into a car turning right accross my path and I thought I was going through the windows. Granted only 25mph swerved right to see a car following and thought this isn't a good and was 3m from the car turning across my path couldn't see an escape route. Closed my eyes and prayed end up hitting the rear quarter and over the car. I don't know who was more shaken me or the driver as they looked like a sheet of paper and actually had been in tears . If the worst does happen mske sure no 1 is hurt or they are safe if it's a cyclist or motorcycle don't let them leave if there helmet has any marks as they my be suffering concussion and can be like a drunk person driving
glad you're okay. Once, I had to panic stop because 2 cyclists blew through a stop sign and I could have t-boned them. Probably one of the scariest moments for me as a driver.
@@MidnightGreen4649 yeah extremely lucky only had a torn shoulder muscles. I absolutely despite cyclist thst go through axred lights I never do it. I find people that are into thier cars tend to be a bit safer on the road and there attitude is better to other road users. It's the people that hate driving I worry more about.
@@wrightwoodwork Yeah, cyclist, pedestrian, skateboarder, whatever, just have patience and follow traffic safety laws... I really hate rushing to get anywhere even if I am driving spiritedly. Drives my dad up the wall but ya know what I would be 5 minutes late or something than six feet under.
6:23 It has something to do with how kinetic energy is "created," since the formula (Ek = 0.5mv^2) has v^2, exponentially increasing energy with a linear increase in speed.
braking distance is relatvie to increase in kinetic energy, E=(mass*velocity^2)/2 so 2 times higher speed is 4 times longer braking distance, 3 times higher speed 9 times longer braking distance
im begining to thin I need to go to th eUK to learn because here I downtown WPB FL its not gonna be that dead traffic lol ive been going out after 10-11pm
a lot of what you say it's correct but you don't actually explain why and it leads to misconception. Learning physics in highschool can help A LOT in driving. Physics tells us that the bottleneck when breaking is grip with road because brakes are good enough to lock the tires in every production car at full load with the best tires, best roads and condition and going straight, they are designed for this and brakes doesn't lose torque the faster you're going like engines do. Having bigger brakes helps with heat dissipation, standards ones are designed to do 3 times 130km/h to 0 before getting to hot. that's also the reason why you should use engine breaking descending from a mountain, even with the biggest premium brakes
Mashing the brake to 100% and triggering ABS definitely contributed to the 4x braking distance. But yeah, active critical thinking is the key. I genuinely don’t understand how someone can send it with their brain relaxed…
It's funny, I made a video a long time ago about braking and how you should progressively load the front suspension to get maximum brake efficiency. People told me I'm an idiot and just mashing 100% and letting ABS take care of it is faster :) I made a conscious decision in this video to not do it ''properly'' but rather brake as someone might in an emergency. I recon sub 25m is possible if I got the tires/brakes warm and did it right.
@@MickDrivesCars Well, seems you’ve outgrown those people lol. Threshold braking is King. Good choice for the video, though, as not everyone will have experience with braking to just before your ABS kicks in/will want to practice and familiarise themselves with it.
if you arent comfortable and feel in 100% control you shouldnt be driving at that speed and endangering others lifes its not a game its fun driving fast and i respect the ability to do so but endangering others is another story take your time and build up your confidence and dont fuck it up
Just to let you know in the first clip your reg isn't censored... unless you intended it?? Don't want no trouble especially when police care more about those doing 70 in a 60 over the crimes that have infatuated our society
There is plenty of research that shows skills based training has no effect on crash statistics. In fact, there is evidence that racing car drivers have more crashes on roads. Cognitive biases play a huge role, such as confirmation bias, optimism bias and the Dunning-Kruger effect. This effect is demonstrated as over 80% of drivers think they are above average in their driving skills. Unsurprisingly, young males are some of the highest at risk for KSI's. Maybe Mick could do some videos to help reduce this instead?
I mean, it's pretty straightforward when you think about it. Some people simply drive adhering to rules and in a safe manner, to the best of their ability. And then there are people that 'train' to drive... Unsafely. Yes, sure, a trained unsafe driver is better than an untrained one, but what does it matter when both of them are unsafe. Or maybe a trained one indeed is just as bad because whatever advantage he has is balanced out by him doing even riskier manoeuvres.
emergency stopped an artic once, never did get my insides back, yeeted them to some other postcode. I worry less about people trying to unalive themselves on me these days. you'd be surprised home mana imbacils think the gap Infront of a lorry is for them, don't even think the lorry may need it to stop or slow down. they all go driveing around thinking its like a car... when they dont even know how far their car takes to stop haha
When braking during a turn, and on an average road surface, your distance will be notably higher. ABS has to work much harder in that situation. And wet asphalt means at least double the distance on a straight line.
The brakes on the new M2 are great. Just wish they weren't so noisy!! Drives me crazy! If they are not warm the squeaking is unbearable. Currently researching a worthy replacement.
If you get mad while driving often, you shouldn't ever drive fast, end of story. When driving fast you gotta expect people to make stupid mistakes much earlier than they actually do, then you basically can react perfectly to them and not end up becoming the next human jigsaw puzzle
A long time ago, I emergency braked from 60mph to avoid a car that's completely stopped coming around a fast corner. I guess the braking distance was around 70-80 metres. Such a huge difference it makes with your big brakes
I liked this channel much more when you had a humble Megane and not every other sentence started with "my brakes are huge" or "my car is super expensive"
People die aplenty in motor vehicle accidents, people get horrifically injured aplenty in motor vehicle accidents. Yet, somehow, even more still get away with relatively minor injuries. Fast driving can save your life or someone else's life. Plenty of examples of guys driving their wives to the hospital when they are due with kids.
Trying to impress someone with your driving...often ends up with someone having a bad day
Correct. Only person you drive fast for is yourself, never to impress, you’re with the wrong crowd if they get impressed by speed (unless on a track).
Very true. I learnt that the hard way unfortunately
@@Nitrousatoll I hope things ended (relatively) well for you lol. I nearly learned the hard way several times... I am very lucky I've still got my car and my mates.
@@MidnightGreen4649 it wasn't anything disastrous, just a tyre replacement on a B road in the dead of night and a broken shock absorber
@@Nitrousatoll that's good. glad it wasn't worse haha
This channel is fire when watched at 1.25x speed
I'm on 2x 😎
0-60 in 48 seconds
i listened to your advice and forgot i put at 1.25x mid video and was wondering why the car was going so fast at 30mph lmao
LOL great advice
mad, before i even scrolled to the comments i literally put it on 1.25 😂
I actually had to do basically this exact braking practice before getting my drivers license, in Sweden everyone has to do a driving exam where you slide cars around and get "reality checks" like what's shown in this video. It was a real eye opener when the instructor made us do a "moose test" at a high rate of speed but with a twist, the twist was that the cones were set up to have a route on both the left and right side of the "moose". The instructor would tell us which way to turn over the radio about 1 second before we had to turn but every single driver including me told the instructor that they told this information to us too late (in our minds, it felt like we had already hit the "moose" when he told us which way to steer). We then went slower and he did the same thing, this time every team managed to avoid the hazard. Reaction times are a real issue we all have to consider
"babe wake up mick uploaded another one"
hahahaha let's goooooo
That’s the case for me I love your videos
@@account-r3w me too
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double the speed is usually 4x the distance as braking distance is proportional to the square of the speed. i wish this was something we actually learned in driving lessons and just overall physics of driving like weight transfer
the most i ever learned was how to correct a skid and even then it was useless info for anything not RWD.
they told you to lift off and counter steer which in a FWD car might not actually save you. Though I don't know if this is true if say, you hit ice, but at least in my sim racing, the best way to correct a FWD sliding is to put some power down to get traction off the front wheels. I once had to correct a slide in my AWD car which was the same procedure as RWD, but it was also low-speed. Wish I had some dirt roads to practise skid control in, or snow... maybe next winter.
@@MidnightGreen4649 yea i think skid control should be mandatory as well as full stop from high speed with and without abs. better yet get ppl to learn in long rwd cars and experience body roll and understeer and oversteer
@@nicktodorov669 Maybe we'd also get more young people interested in cars too. I made a sudden left with one of my friends in the backseat and once the shock wore off she thought it was kinda fun.
Not even on a Sunday at 5am - there could be someone from the opposite way that also decided to go on a spirited drive. Just never drive beyond your sight/vision. It's risky.
It's actually funny because a minute before he said that, there was a pheasant running across the street. Now guess when wild animals are the most active.
5:20 This is actually a common misconception. Bigger brakes do not decrease your stopping distance, only increase the resistance to fade.
True, you can stop quickly on tiny drums if your tires are good enough. Applicable force to the pads is rarely the limiting factor except in large heavy goods vehicles, and some old worn out bicycle brakes. Otherwise you could say "I can stop faster because my leg is stronger" - an argument I've never heard for braking performance. The big discs are for accelerating and braking over and over again, where drums or smaller discs would overheat. It's also possible that from speeds of over 150 mph, you can overheat stock brakes in one fell swoop.
With more power utilized and downhill, you can put more kinetic energy into the car and take it out again, over and over. On the public road I'm more of a hypermiler, so drums all around would be okay for me. They don't rub as much and save fuel anyway.
indeed... This guy teaching people how to drive but he has fairly poor technical knowledge of cars actually
The 6 pistons clamping down on those big discs sure do though :)
@@MickDrivesCars Except they don't. Smaller brakes on an economy car will stop the car equally as fast as your sporty big ones. All what brakes do is lock up your wheels, from then on the braking performance is all dependant on your tyres and road contact, and external factors like road condition and weight of your car etc. It doesn't matter if they are big or small brakes, as long as they are sufficiently strong to provide the pressure needed to lock the wheels, which all modern brakes do, big or small.
The advantage bigger brakes give you, is that they don't fade as fast or overheat when you perform aggressive braking multiple times in a row. In an economy car, you'll (hopefully or you're driving poorly) only need aggresive fast braking in an emergency, so not often.
Think about it, if bigger brakes actually would make you stop significantly faster, all cars would be equipped with it, as basic road safety is paramount in the industry and not something that would be exclusive to sport cars (just like airbags, ABS, ESP, etc.). An economy 'normal' car drives just as fast on the road as a sport car, and needs to slow down just as fast as a sports car. Only difference is it doesn't accelerate that fast and doesn't need to do aggressive manoevres over and over again.
@@vahlokprime3175spot on mate. Same reason sports cars have drilled brake rotors, faster heat dissipation.
Great video! I always say this It’s about your mindset and attitude when driving and how much control you have. Your driving literally tells the type of person you are not your car. Also when someone is in your car, you are responsible for that person
Well said!
Especially that part on doing a track day,it really helps you know your car well It's strengths and weaknesses.Because you will always be alert about what's going to happen rather than getting a nasty surprise.
As a fellow BMW driver, I approve of this message. My driving may at times seem erratic to others but I am fully in control and have calculated the location, direction, and state of the vehicle now, and 10 seconds into the future.
moral of the story is that public roads are not for racing, go to the track, as much as you try to control all the things you can , there will always be things beyond your control, even if its 1% risk/chance, that 1% can cost your life or someone else's
This is the correct answer.
In germany we learn a handy formula in driving school. Your emergency braking distance (brakes fully applied) can be roughly calculated with: (Speed(kph) / 10)². So at 60mph (100kph) your emergency braking would roughly take up 100 meters. And at 30mph (~50kph) it would be 25 meters. Depending on the size of your brakes, this formula might or might not work for you, but for almost all stock brakes this is a good one to know. Drive safe everyone!
Tons of people driving fast don't realize that they also have to be prepared to stop and turn even faster. They never teach you these things in driving school, so most people are led to think going above the speed limit is dangerous, and the car, rather than the driver, is blamed when inevitably, people panic, freeze, and hit something hard and fast. I'm genuinely convinced that beyond airbags, ABS, TCS, and ESC, car safety systems are kind of useless. Ah, and crumple zones and whatnot are also nice to have too, up until it means your beloved car is totaled.
I always have a personal rule which is to drive in a manner which makes my passengers feel safe. Inevitably I wind up putting them to sleep lmao.
I'm a car guy, owned a dozen cars over time.
Occasionally people recommend me cars because of their crash safety features. I'm like - wouldn't you rather avoid crashing in the first place?
Most people treat electronic driver aids as the foundation of their driving skill.
@@JayMaverick There IS a benefit- lower insurance! I am lucky that my car's driving nannies don't interfere with the fun much, and so I don't really bother turning them off except for the stupid lane keep assist. If it's found that you disabled any safety system then insurance will probably screw you over. sadly that's the nature of the game.
My parents were concerned about the crash safety of my WRX (which is really funny because they got it new for me as a high school gift) because it was a sedan... the thing is so stable through corners it scares me, and the brakes for a car built from the parts bin are great on the street. Feels much safer than any other car I've been in, save for my friend's dad's Tesla. And that thing feels safe just because he's a very experienced driver.
@@MidnightGreen4649Exactly, I don't get the discourse around safety features being "intrusive." You really mean to tell me that automatic emergency braking, cross traffic warning, pedestrian detection, so on and so forth are actually intrusive in your day-to-day driving? And is it really that hard to use your damn turn signals to stop the lane keep assist from kicking in? I don't personally have these features, but I feel much safer on the road knowing that the 5500lb Ford Expedition behind me won't kill me in a rear end collision if the driver is busy yelling at her kids in the back seat.
@@d47000 You must not have read my initial comment then. In MY car I have not noticed them intrude on my driving. I would rather do without them, as the mere knowledge of these safety systems' existence affects your behavior and attitude towards driving the car itself. In my opinion that change makes for more distracted drivers who assume the car will compensate for their abilities. In my car specifically, I do not drive in a manner where the systems activate and I consciously feel it. So as far as I am concerned it does not matter to me whether they are on or off.
In the end, and I say this as an engineering student, the optimization of one quality will inevitably impede on other qualities. In just about every practical case... that's not good at all in product design.
As far as lane keep goes... there's times when you do need to cut the line slightly and it would be silly to give your turn signal. For example, road work. Some systems also do impede driving in cars because they are predictive, and it's hard to accurately predict 100% of the time when a crash will occur... so you have models built into the software that tries to account for that 99% and sometimes you do get a 1% false positive, or even worse, a 1% false negative. If the safety system is never active then you are probably a good conscientious driver. But Karen arguing with her demon spawn will find a way to rear-end you even with her car being designed to not crash into anything.
sleepy passengers are the pinnacle of a great driver
your voice is poetic! hooks my mind and all you say directly gets into the head. Even when english is my second language.
Damn, that's high praise! Thank you
Bottom line: go to the track once a month and you will naturally go slower on public roads. Everybody wins and nobody's hurt.
Cinetic energy goes up as a quadratic function (E = (mv^2)/2) so it makes sense that it was something like 4 times the distance:
E1 = m*v^2/2
E2 = m* (2v)^2/2
E2 = m*4v^2/2 = 4E1
nice pfp
That’s because the resistant work done by the brakes is Fxd where F is the braking force (assumed constant) and d is the braking distance. This resistance work must dissipate the entirety of the kinetic energy 1/2mv^2. Therefore:
d = 1/2 mv^2 / F
Hence the quadratic dependence of d on v.
You can also derive this from the equations of movement.
@@l-_-lShadowCat Thanks for complementing my answer! I hadn't completed the thought (nor had I the knowledge to), so I appreciate the help.
@@Dante-nu5cn You’re very welcome!
As always, great video, but I have a few fun facts to point out.
Sunday morning has less traffic, but probably more drunk drivers going back from parties, so I wouldn’t say there’s no chance of someone driving on the wrong side :)
Driving at night has a benefit of seeing someone’s high beams around the corner, so you actually have wallhack.
Your brakes are only as good as your tires. You could have Superman holding the rotors, but with no grip it’s just gonna trigger ABS anyway.
In case of danger you should just forget the clutch and break as much as you can (you stop faster)
You might notice in the bloopers at the end I actually stalled on the 1st run because I did exactly that :)
@@MickDrivesCars The "double the speed 4x the distance" is something you do in physics class to learn about how kinetic energy works. the formula is (1/2)m(v^2), where v is the speed of your car in this case. if you replace that with 2v (so in this case you double the speed) you have (2v^2) which is 4v. since you come to a complete stop, the brakes have to dissipate all that kinetic energy, so at twice the speed the brakes need to remove 4x the energy in every case.
Also, tires play a huge role as stickier tires can prevent brake lockup and the activation of ABS. I only had ABS come on when I was braking hard and turning in the rain doing autocross. So either my tires were great or I was not fast enough :0
EK=½mv²
Increase in velocity has a massive change in the kinetic energy.
I realise this is a very basic way of looking at it but it gets the point across
I didn't catch it in the vid, so I wanted to emphasize how important to distinguish the difference in braking distance when you have really grippy tires vs hard tires. From the factory, your brakes are designed to apply more than enough force for any emergency stopping situation at least a few times consecutively before overheating.
Entertaining and high quality content as always thx for the upload! ^.^
Practicing braking is actually very important.
that RPM HUD is lit
A lot of people here have failed math in school but are doing formula on breaking distance. Just drive like a normal person and go to the track once a month.
Step 1: Start driving on the right side of the street and not on the left.
Step 2: Profit.
Magazine 60mph-0 distances (usually 30-35m for production cars) and 70mph-0 distances (usually 45-50m for production cars) are good indicators. You will need a heck of a distance to slow down from 120mph which you will hit on some stretches of straights on b-roads. Also, you don't always need to brake to 0, if you spot something out of your current calculation (seeing some light, objects on road, some car coming out from a side road etc), you can always slow down to a comfortable speed and speculate. Always see far and look at the direction you want to go.
There are also lift off/snap oversteers for newer drivers, changes in road cambers, changes in elevations especially during bends, bends that get tighter, these kind of things can really throw you off when you are speeding. Rain/puddles/sand/wet leaves/snow/ice/oil slicks will amplify all situations. So yes, always start slow, then speed up, real life driving is not a video game where you can rewind or repair everything with game credit.
Love your communication skills and your content, and the M2!!! Keep up with the videos!
this is very much true.. driving in highway is like 70mph braking on that speed seems normal from inside the car but its a fast fast speed. so breaking is must to know if you wanna speed. very good video! kudos to u mate
Once, in a parking lot, I tried to brake from 40 mph to 0 as hard as I could. I stopped hard enough to make me feel quite light headed. Ever since then, the only time I'm tensed up when braking is when I'm in bad traffic and a car's behind me haha.
I'm always so jealous of how twisty roads are outside of the United States. Of course, the United States has lots of twisty highways you can find in the mountains, but Americans have a weird, almost psychotic obsessions with squares and rectangles, seriously, compare a map of U.S. roads to anywhere over the Atlantic and it's an alarming difference. As a result, 95% of the U.S. driving experience is going straight, slowing, and turning 90 degrees. Going straight, slowing, and turning 90 degrees. Over, and over, and over, and over. It's quite maddening and I have to wonder if the mind numbing nature of the road layout doesn't have some influence on America's hilarious road accident statistics. I also have to wonder if tires across the Atlantic wear more evenly, since you are turning more often and with less input. Maybe I should compare some UKDM/EUDM owner's manuals to USDM ones to see if they recommend different tire rotation schedules.
_people wanting to drive 160mph taking notes_
MY MAN MICK BACK AT IT AGAIN 😤😤😤 TELLIN YALL FACTS
Been waiting for a new vid Mick, i have 2 questions/suggestions if possible. 1) Heel and toe, please make a vid about it! you're insane with explaining things and one of the only car enthusiasts that have been able to help me with things in the past. 2) How to drive a fast car you are not used to, been wanting to do a car hire/track day but in a gt3 rs or something like that, and my ford fiesta is a little bit different in power, not really sure how to transfer the skills over😂
As always love and appreciate your content man. Much love.
Thanks for the kind words!
Two videos for you:
''how to drive fast in a manual'' - there's a whole section on rev match/heel-toe with footage of the pedals. I will do a full heel/toe video in future.
''how to drive powerful RWD cars'' - lots for you there about driving rwd for the first time/handling more power than you're used to. But 100% road focused. Short version is TC will save everything and don't worry, unless it's an old car.
@@MickDrivesCars Much appreciated brother, gonna watch these now, looking forward to more coming from you
Also hills are something else to be aware of if you might have to slow down faster.
The kinetic (moving) energy of a moving body is proportional to the square of its speed (KE = 1/2.m[mass].v.v), therefore higher speeds require considerably longer stopping distances, and brake heating rises dramatically.
Put another way, if a car has 1 unit of energy at 30mph, it will have more than 5 units of energy at 70mph.
It's like the impact force of a crash at 25 vs 50, surely it's just twice as much at 60 right? Wrong, it's 4 times greater, at 75, it's *9 times* greater.
Mick have you driven through Wales?
I've just got back from a trip around Snowdonia in my TT. The quality of the roads along with the beautiful scenery around almost every corner made for some of the most enjoyable driving experiences I've ever had
It's my favourite place in the world.
Check out my "last drive in Mégane"
@@MickDrivesCars In that video you state that you're going to miss the Megane so much. Four months later, do you miss the Megane as much as you expected?
It was a wonderful car. I really miss the practicality. Hatchbacks are great.
Experience/fun/enjoyment/whatever you're chasing... M2 is in a different league.
5:00 Rotor size doesn't matter in breaking distance, tire width does. Bigger rotors fade less on heavy use, but wider tires have grater surface area to grip. So a mazda miata with 325 section tire will stop in a shorter distance than your M2 with 225.
!!! Right on
Understeer give it more gas use manual mode as well usually helps to have more control to control your gears, don't go fast downhill especially with curves. Don't go crazy in a bunch of traffick
Makes video about avoiding crashing - proceeds to drive on the wrong side of the road
He’s British that’s the right side of the road
@@NotRichy234 It was irony
@@danielp.1594 What the fuck was ironic with what you said? I'm sick of people calling irony every time they say something stupid. Learn what irony means.
@@JokerLover123 It is completely obvious that you drive on the left side.
Definition of irony: "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result"
So we have it. The comment implies that the way of driving in Britain is inherently wrong. Not a humor for everyone (and everyone is free to ignore a comment on the internet).
Lol
Best to try to not lock up the brakes
Ap physics is how I always knew to drive slow on residential streets but I should still probably do a brake test
Great video Mick! One question, how do you record this, how do you setup the camera? Love the videos!
Why do I feel like I'm watching a VR NPC during the fisheye parts of the videos
Hi! Can you please explain why you should/should not turn off traction control when doing some "spirited" driving? Thank you!
Added to the list
@@MickDrivesCars Thank you, I really enjoy the way you explain things! 🙌
You definitely should NOT turn it off
@@1239719 Thats what I think too, but I have had people tell me that traction control can slow you down or do stuff you don’t expect and make your crash🤷🏻♂️ I think it’s maybe depending on how good of a driver you are in the first place too
@@Acs08 Of course it can slow you down. But it will slow you down when you are loosing traction, and you don't want to be in that situation in a road open to traffic, cyclists, etc. Even if you were the best driver possible, you will never be as effective as the traction control.
Looking ahead of you can avoid alot of crashes
Already on 122k mate you were just on 16, amazing
Don't try to impress anyone with your driving
If you want real thinking time, make your friend do something and then you have to interpret and react, then it’s real reaction time
If the worst is inevitable or about to happen look for the space you can stop in. Or have an escape route. The other week I thought I was going to have a head on with an idiot overtaking 5 cars on a blind hill. Slammed the brakes on and looked at the space I could use and ready to go through the hedge if needed luckily didn't need to . I've not been that scared since I crashed my bike into a car turning right accross my path and I thought I was going through the windows. Granted only 25mph swerved right to see a car following and thought this isn't a good and was 3m from the car turning across my path couldn't see an escape route. Closed my eyes and prayed end up hitting the rear quarter and over the car. I don't know who was more shaken me or the driver as they looked like a sheet of paper and actually had been in tears . If the worst does happen mske sure no 1 is hurt or they are safe if it's a cyclist or motorcycle don't let them leave if there helmet has any marks as they my be suffering concussion and can be like a drunk person driving
glad you're okay. Once, I had to panic stop because 2 cyclists blew through a stop sign and I could have t-boned them. Probably one of the scariest moments for me as a driver.
@@MidnightGreen4649 yeah extremely lucky only had a torn shoulder muscles. I absolutely despite cyclist thst go through axred lights I never do it. I find people that are into thier cars tend to be a bit safer on the road and there attitude is better to other road users. It's the people that hate driving I worry more about.
@@wrightwoodwork Yeah, cyclist, pedestrian, skateboarder, whatever, just have patience and follow traffic safety laws... I really hate rushing to get anywhere even if I am driving spiritedly. Drives my dad up the wall but ya know what I would be 5 minutes late or something than six feet under.
@@MidnightGreen4649 yeah no point being early to your grave
6:23 It has something to do with how kinetic energy is "created," since the formula (Ek = 0.5mv^2) has v^2, exponentially increasing energy with a linear increase in speed.
your videos are class mate, really useful information
Much appreciated!
braking distance is relatvie to increase in kinetic energy, E=(mass*velocity^2)/2 so 2 times higher speed is 4 times longer braking distance, 3 times higher speed 9 times longer braking distance
Ah so my test was roughly accurate, good to know!
good video!
Braking/accelerating is about kinetic energy, not speed. And they scale as square of speed. 6:31
im begining to thin I need to go to th eUK to learn because here I downtown WPB FL its not gonna be that dead traffic lol ive been going out after 10-11pm
man i love them roads wish they were here in India :(
He's cooking again chat!
Thought it was a car channel, not a cooking one
would braking difference be much further if say like it was a volvo if they both have a similar stopping distance
super useful!
thank you for sharing, but you're late i'm already dead
a lot of what you say it's correct but you don't actually explain why and it leads to misconception. Learning physics in highschool can help A LOT in driving. Physics tells us that the bottleneck when breaking is grip with road because brakes are good enough to lock the tires in every production car at full load with the best tires, best roads and condition and going straight, they are designed for this and brakes doesn't lose torque the faster you're going like engines do. Having bigger brakes helps with heat dissipation, standards ones are designed to do 3 times 130km/h to 0 before getting to hot. that's also the reason why you should use engine breaking descending from a mountain, even with the biggest premium brakes
Mashing the brake to 100% and triggering ABS definitely contributed to the 4x braking distance.
But yeah, active critical thinking is the key. I genuinely don’t understand how someone can send it with their brain relaxed…
It's funny, I made a video a long time ago about braking and how you should progressively load the front suspension to get maximum brake efficiency. People told me I'm an idiot and just mashing 100% and letting ABS take care of it is faster :)
I made a conscious decision in this video to not do it ''properly'' but rather brake as someone might in an emergency. I recon sub 25m is possible if I got the tires/brakes warm and did it right.
@@MickDrivesCars Well, seems you’ve outgrown those people lol. Threshold braking is King.
Good choice for the video, though, as not everyone will have experience with braking to just before your ABS kicks in/will want to practice and familiarise themselves with it.
The braking distance is exponential
its cool asf you have a windshield display
bro take the plastic covers off ur steering wheel 😂😂😂😂
Can you make video on cars left, right side judgement?
I don't understand what you mean?
if you arent comfortable and feel in 100% control you shouldnt be driving at that speed and endangering others lifes its not a game its fun driving fast and i respect the ability to do so but endangering others is another story take your time and build up your confidence and dont fuck it up
I'm just asking for a video of you just enjoying your car.
Check out the ''chasing sunset'' video - it's exactly that :)
Nice car, just don't go to Argentina with that number plate on
Just to let you know in the first clip your reg isn't censored... unless you intended it?? Don't want no trouble especially when police care more about those doing 70 in a 60 over the crimes that have infatuated our society
you guys don't have the empire anymore :(
There is plenty of research that shows skills based training has no effect on crash statistics. In fact, there is evidence that racing car drivers have more crashes on roads. Cognitive biases play a huge role, such as confirmation bias, optimism bias and the Dunning-Kruger effect. This effect is demonstrated as over 80% of drivers think they are above average in their driving skills. Unsurprisingly, young males are some of the highest at risk for KSI's. Maybe Mick could do some videos to help reduce this instead?
Higher crash rate and severity as compared to other drivers when going at the same speed as others driving normally?
I mean, it's pretty straightforward when you think about it.
Some people simply drive adhering to rules and in a safe manner, to the best of their ability.
And then there are people that 'train' to drive... Unsafely.
Yes, sure, a trained unsafe driver is better than an untrained one, but what does it matter when both of them are unsafe.
Or maybe a trained one indeed is just as bad because whatever advantage he has is balanced out by him doing even riskier manoeuvres.
What are KSI's?
@@nightsleeper2721 Killed and seriously injured
emergency stopped an artic once, never did get my insides back, yeeted them to some other postcode. I worry less about people trying to unalive themselves on me these days.
you'd be surprised home mana imbacils think the gap Infront of a lorry is for them, don't even think the lorry may need it to stop or slow down. they all go driveing around thinking its like a car... when they dont even know how far their car takes to stop haha
When braking during a turn, and on an average road surface, your distance will be notably higher. ABS has to work much harder in that situation. And wet asphalt means at least double the distance on a straight line.
whats your tyre pressure bud?
This was a big do as I say and not as I do video from Mick
The brakes on the new M2 are great. Just wish they weren't so noisy!! Drives me crazy! If they are not warm the squeaking is unbearable. Currently researching a worthy replacement.
I've noticed it's always when I haven't driven hard for a few days they get like this. But 100% agree.
That is normal for performance brakes. However I can understand why that might be frustrating.
I see a while me in the background hehe
Wild*
Have you ever done a track day with your car?
Unfortunately you do end up getting triggered by other drivers on the road, and it can then lead you into some poor driving and decision making.
If you get mad while driving often, you shouldn't ever drive fast, end of story. When driving fast you gotta expect people to make stupid mistakes much earlier than they actually do, then you basically can react perfectly to them and not end up becoming the next human jigsaw puzzle
"you can go as fast as you like" no, only in germany you can.
What’s flashing on the windscreen???
HUD.
@@thedubwhisperer2157 that would wind me right up.
is your speedo in actual miles per hour or kmh? I can never tell if your flying or going slow 😅
It is in mph, he did two at 30mph (50kmh) and two at 60mph (100kmh)
@@alltechthings9506 ah okay thanks
how to not die 😂
do i downshift or just break? automatic RWD car
Automatic car will downshift to a low gear if you slam on the brakes
I thought only Americans use miles per hour. What is a mile? a length of a football field? I thought they called it soccer.
mick drives cars, where can i get a decent car for 5k, can u tell me? im just a shelf stacker at tesco everyone laughs at my 2010 kia picanto
gumtree
@@thefrenchareharlequins2743 really?
@@solox5853 it's your best bet
too late bruh
Damn those English roads are awful
mick ur gonna need to oil up. its that time
hmna hmna hmna
A long time ago, I emergency braked from 60mph to avoid a car that's completely stopped coming around a fast corner. I guess the braking distance was around 70-80 metres. Such a huge difference it makes with your big brakes
70 meters is too much. It may have been 50 I guess 🤔
Big brakes DON'T stop you earlier
misinformation
I liked this channel much more when you had a humble Megane and not every other sentence started with "my brakes are huge" or "my car is super expensive"
That's jealousy mate...
Im baffled as to why cars are able to do more than 80 or 90. Even though the limit is 70. This is shocking to me
Just drive slow
How to avoid crashing when driving fast
1. Just don't
Why'd you click on the video ? Just curious.
People die aplenty in motor vehicle accidents, people get horrifically injured aplenty in motor vehicle accidents. Yet, somehow, even more still get away with relatively minor injuries. Fast driving can save your life or someone else's life. Plenty of examples of guys driving their wives to the hospital when they are due with kids.
We ain't buy these cars to drive em like a prius bro😭
Are you aware your number plate is illegally spaced?
I bloody hope not, it's the plate that came on the car from the dealer.
first
Step one: drive slower