Rogers 60 Ton Hydraulic Press Restoration 2: Rebuilding the Hydraulic Cylinder
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- Rogers 60 Ton Hydraulic Press Restoration 2: Rebuilding the Hydraulic Cylinder
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I hope you’re feeling well Keith after the surgery and so on that you’ve had in the last months. You’ve definitely lost weight so I hope that’s a good sign. I don’t know if you’ve mentioned your health in recent videos, but I’m sending you good wishes for your health. Health is far more important than engineering 😁
Same here, he didn't seem to wanna broach the topic, and i kinda kept my thoughts to myself, but if you did, then i'll piggyback and say: Best wishes and speedy recovery! Hope all's well.
I am an RN and this Only a guess, but some surgeries are not talked about much by some people. Keith looks healthier than he has looked for years. He would share if he thought it was necessary for our viewing education.
@@dagwood1327 Indeed everyone’s health matters are their own to keep to themselves. But since Keith gave us a update on his surgery previously I was just wishing him continued good health, as I wish all his followers.
@@Ian-Steele I wasn’t trying to scold. Just trying to help without guessing too well.
@@dagwood1327 I know what you mean as I had major surgery in 2021, but I’m sure we all wish Keith good health and I wish you good health David. 😊
I've said it before: watching someone using the tools to fix a tool that will allow you to fix more tools always gives me a very satisfying feeling. This was a great example!
And then you start making tools to fix the tools, and before you know it, you’re out in the back yard chipping flint...
Thinking how few get to hand scraping or casting I don’t think many get to chipping flint
@@richtes Well, I’m cheating and stealing a line from comedian Lorne Elliot about home repairs. :)
I am glad you put the original chevron metal ring back in , I believe the reason it was designed this way is the live load on the stack of chevron rings and the cycles of the hydraulic pressure would have sheared the soft face of the supplied flat faced follower.
The press is going to be a valuable addition to your workshop!
I do a lot of hyd. cylinder rebuilds and that steel ring needed to be there. 👍🏻 You had me a little worried at first 😜
I agree, especially since it is all held together with a spiral snapring
Yeah, my thought was that flat rubber seal is to sit on the face of the piston groove when its reassembled..
The metal ring takes the place of that seal piece and piston face.
It's amazing the power these cyl's can exert. I have a set of SUNNEN hones that go from 1 inch to 8 inch I have had for over 30 years and are still like new ( The frames), In my youth I used to bore V8 engines with them. They are all rigid type and not like yours. The hours I spent standing there with an old fassioned 1/2 inch drill. Lots of memories there my friend. I don't know of a press that isn't all musroomed and been beat on. Such a shame. Lazy people in the shop get people hurt or worse. Nice fix my friend. I am sure this fix will give the press a like new power.
That’s a pretty neat design with the internal return spring, that press will be a nice addition to the shop. Thanks for sharing!
Yeah, when Keith did the tear down video I was scratching my head about the single action ram.
Learned something here which was a nice surprise.
After honing iron cylinders I found washing with a generous amount dawn dish soap and water then follow with WD-40 to prevent flash rust. The the Dawn really flushes out a lot of black stuff I don’t want in the cylinder.
Hi Keith, looks like another refurbish job is the steady rest. That one looks like it's been round the block and down a dark ally a few times.
Nice progress can't wait until it up and running. Thanks Keith for the video.
It sure went back together better than it came apart. can't wait to see it working.
Nice job! Enjoyed watching 🤩
Havent watched videos for a couple months, when I loaded this one and I was blown away. Hope all is well. I dont normally get personal on videos as its none of our business, but almost didnt recognize you.
I really enjoy your videos Keith. Those packing rings are called "chevron" packing for the inverted "V" shape cross section. And that brass wear ring is absolutely fine at .008" under bore size. That is a super nice press that you obtained, and I know you'll get it in beautiful working condition to match the fine machinery in your shop. I find it hard to imagine where you get the time to do all that you do, and I know we only get to see a fraction of the whole. Thanks!
GBD
Nice job, Keith and a good demonstration. Yes, as @calcaria4 says I hope you are well, too as I have noticed you are a lot thinner in the face and hope that's a good thing! You have certainly been through life changing things and I hope you enjoy keeping it all going. Bless you Keith, take care from the UK.
Love the way your shop is stored.Everthing in its place, you know where to put your hands on it.
Going to be a nice press Keith. Well done.
Thank goodness you put that steel backer back on. You would of regretted not using that in the stack.
I remember when you did the restoration on the Arbor Press; I imagine you did not guess how useful it was going to be! TM long time viewer
@ 6:29 you're referring to a bottle hone. I've always called them a dingle berry hone. I've used them many many times for putting a crosshatch in a bore, but wouldn't consider one for burrs.
Safety glasses please! Those springs are scary. Thanks for the video.
Thinking outside the box on this one! Well done.
I think you should been cut a relief area behind the arm end that you 're cut , so that end pieces that you need to add for pressing, don't need the set screw completely tightened to keep them on the end of the ram....just turned into the relief.
I saw those two treaded holes, do they hold the press end on? I would like to have seen a snap ring turn to retain the press end, unless bolts hold the press ends. Had seen a set screw marks so how to retain the press end pieces?
Thanks for sharing
Good morning Keith 😊
Its a miniature episode from Cutting Edge Engineering!
You could say that, but Kurtis & Karen's work is so much more impressive.
@@garys9694 No disrespect to Keith, but CEE has significantly more resources and budget. Not to mention that hydraulic cylinders are their bread and butter. So ton of experience for them.
Next time use STP oil treatment instead of grease. The STP is the slickest stuff you’ve ever seen. We use it as assembly lube on all our cylinder rebuilds.
Learned about presses! Very enjoyable. Thanks Keith.
My father was a machinist; I'm a mechanical engineer by training, but I always feel as if I'm learning something by watching Keith go at it. -Curt
Good morning Keith. Thanks for the videos.
fyi there is supposed to be sacrificial cup on the end of the cyl rod hence the step in the end and is held on with a set screw that way the end of the rod does not get damaged the way that yours is. this also allows you to put different attachments on the ram rod.
Did you call them "apprentice marks" hahaha I haven't heard that term since I was a teenager. Very appropriate and telling.
May I say.. can I posit.. put forth as a supposition, that good Sir Keith is.. SKINNY!!??? You're looking great Keith. Live long and prosper!
Who knew you needed a press to build a press. Makes you wonder how the first chicken got here. 😉
Looking at the design 4:22, i can't help but think that the person who designed this cylinder took his inspiration from a valve spring and seat. I don't know that i've seen cylinders done this way, seen the wire type, threaded (most common nowadays), seen them welded shut, but this might be the first time i've seen it done with keepers. Interesting.
Your going to have a nice press thanks
Great video as always..kudos.keep doing what your doing.👍👍👍😎😎😎
22:56 our oldest hydraulic press might as well look like it was made yesterday by comparison and that's 3 generations of people having gone through it. I sincerely don't understand why people can't take more good care of their tools. It takes so little extra effort do things right that it's actually counterproductive not to.
excellent video keith!
That’s an impressive looking Wilton vice. By the “masculine pink” color, I’m assuming it is the one that you rebuilt not long after I subscribed.
Nice job😊
"Need a press to assemble the press"
It is the same as needing a lathe to repair the lathe...
Be interesting if you can get a transducer to test it to its rated 60 tonne
Keith, the bottle brush cylinder hones definitely have their place in industry, however, the regular hone did the job as intended, albeit, not in an engine.
They shouldn't tho. As Keith said, they catch grooves and amplify them. Maybe someone with experience can use them, but in the hands of Joe Average... they make things worse.
Enjoyable video. Interesting how a big press cylinder works. Those springs look dangerous but you figured out how to handle them safely.
Again, nice video.
You could have drilled and tap the end of the rod so you could use a piece of altread to compress the spring with
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing 👍
Thank you for sharing.👍
Holy Moley, Keith, you’ve lost some weight. How did you do it. I need some pointers. You’re looking great too.
If you use a spool value with your new electric pump, you don't need the return springs, but you do need to modify the cylinder. An additional port should be added to convert the cylinder to double acting and the end cap needs to be modified/changed to a sealed cap. These changes will allow you to eliminate the manual pressure relief/return valve and just use a spool valve to move the piston in and out.
Keith, you need to have a lot more oil in there to safely hone a cylinder. What you have done will probably be ok but that's not how I would have honed any tube myself.
That is because you are the guru of honing.....or at least you think you are.
This was fun.
I think the term you were groping for was "dingleberry hone."
Regards,
Duck
Nice, GOOD JOB
Are those threads at the end of the cylinder? Looks like there should be a final cap that screws onto the end of the cylinder
Most excellent.
God be with us all.
Would it be wise to test the rebuild with compressed air before installing it?
Is there a gland nut that goes on the threads at the business end of the tube or does that go on after paint?
It was fun and interesting to see you rebuild this, I wonder what adapter you will need to make for the end of it first?
Thanks for the videos.
How does a hydraulic cylinder like this get burrs on the inside? For that matter, how do the softer piston rings wear down the hard steel of the cylinder? Maybe the springs caused scratching / burrs?
I never realised rebuilding a Hydraulic Cylinder was so sexual. Keith you dog you 🤭
Not saying Keith did anything wrong but if it was me I would have machined a groove or milled a flat on the end that was reclaimed so set screws wouldn't mar the surface of the turned down end.
we call that type of hone a glaze barker
Why is the end of the cylinder threaded. Is there a cap that threads on the end as backup to the keepers.
That’s where it attaches to the press frame.
@37:48 I see you Keith
ball hones are only to cross hatch an engine cylinder for the purpose of seating new rings. not really used to remove material.
36:26 love a good SHIT COAT of paint lol
Could try to knurl the brass bushings?
Hope it works ok
With a motorized pump will you still need a spring return cylinder, wouldn't the valve allow to pump the piston up as well as down ?
many the extra shims are different sizes.
Couldn't have said it better myself..lol.
👍 and comment!😊
Hello, enjoy the channel, do you know if everything is OK with Dave Richard, Steam Powered Machine Shop. He has not posted in over 5 months. Cheers
That metal is a retainer ring, it's not part of the gland set. In other words, it's part of the assembly.
I always use water to hone with it keeps the cuttings from clogging the stones and will also wash the cuttings out then after drying apply a film of oil to prevent rusting.
Was the outer edge of the big spring smooth? just wondering what made them raised spots inside the cylinder or what could gouge it in the future.
I've never refurbed or even used a hydraulic press though to be fair lol. learned a bunch watching this.
The spring's outer diameter is about a quarter inch less than the cylinder inner diameter, so it should run smoothly. I don't know what caused those gouges at the bottom of the piston rod but I doubt it was the spring.
@@peterhobson3262 Hope your right but I wonder about deflections. Would some nylon bars say place around the outer edge of the spring guarantee they don't contact, scratch that the springs shrink and bars wouldn't. tbh I don't know but I'm glad of the feedback
Paint the cylinder black for contrast to the rest of the rig.
WD-40 is technically a penetrant, not a lubricant - with anti-corrosive properties. Generally use cutting oil in these cases or 3-in-1 oil but hey Mr. Fenner is a vastly superior machinist and if it works for him it's probably fine.
Shouldn't be too much of a problem getting the springs back in, just use that new press... Oh...
Just Kidding 😁
Probably is the strict diet Kieth has to follow now that may explain his reluctance. All those delicious southern recipes we are addicted to are not the best for good health and longevity. Healthy southern food is an oxymoron. St Marys, GA 🇺🇸
You need a hydraulic press to get you hydraulic press together. 🤔
Keith you do know that WD-40 is not a lube it is realy a Water Despant # 40
At what point in the video did he use it as a lubricant?
@@grntitan1 when he was doing the honeing
@@matthewmeuleman9872I missed that. WD does work fairly well for cleaning the stones of a hone, but as a lubricant no bueno.
WD-40 is mostly a mineral spirit mixture (>50%). It also contains various refined mineral oils (
If it isn’t broke. Don’t fix it.
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Looks like you need a press to fix a press.
Thats not really a hone its more of a glaze breaker
Excursion….
You know,,,, if you just did what needed to be done instead of spending a lot of time talking about what you need to do or saying that you will do it off camera and spending more time explaining what you will do off camera you could stop boring people. Just do it.
Look at the rest of the comments and see if other commentators were bored. Perhaps you could show us your channel and then we could all see how it should be done.
@@bobhudson6659 Why insite, just let it go, it's a Utube video.
@@garys9694 Why insite? Each TH-cam creator goes to a lot of time, trouble (and expense) to create their videos. Then others think they can just shoot off at the mouth and get away with it. Fair is fair and that is not.
I give you a hard time in the comments Keith.... but I sure hope you are OK .
Thanks for sharing.