OM SYSTEM OM-1 MarkII - I was asked to comment!
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- OM SYSTEM launched three new products, OM SYSTEM OM-1 Mark II, M.Zuiko 150-600mm F5-6.3 IS, and M.Zuiko 9-18mm F4-6.3 Mark II. I have not tested them, but I was asked by some of my followers to comment on the new gear.
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00:00 Intro
00:34 Disclaimer
01:30 M.Zuiko 9-18mm F4-5.6 MKII
03:10 M.Zuiko 150-600mm F5-6.3 IS
06:52 OM SYSTEM OM-1 Mark II
07:27 OM SYSTEM OM-1 Mark II: Rebranded
08:04 OM SYSTEM OM-1 Mark II New Features
08:53 OM SYSTEM OM-1 Mark II New Features: Gradual ND
09:57 OM SYSTEM OM-1 Mark II New Features: Human Detection AF
10:47 What are your thoughts?
11:06 What would I have liked to see?
12:29 What do you think?
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Since the processor and sensor are identical, I would have preferred OM System made an announcement at the factory of the rebranding with the new firmware, and made the updated firmware available to existing OM-1 owners as a paid upgrade/update. This way existing OM-1 owners can choose if they want to pay for these feature enhancements withing buying an entire new camera.
I'd rather they keep the new model as is and offer all the features that can be brought over in software in a new firmware. There is apparently a V2 firmware coming for om-1 this year with new features not just bug fixes according to rumours so it may still happen.
They upgraded the hardware to make the new firmware possible. I doubt the new firmware could be made to run on the old hardware.
I am not sure the other features could be done without a new memory chip that OM-1 Mark II has. If I understood correctly the LiveGND needs that. The buffer size needs that too. I do not if the improved Human Detection could be updated via firmware to OM-1.
@@ForsgardPeterdo we know for sure it has a new memory chip? At this point, it seems they could have just opened up more memory that was already there to use for the buffer. Maybe the previous firmware was not optimized to use it until now. Given the same sensor and processor, I would not be surprised if it was not the exact same body, they just had to remove the Olympus name as the agreement to use it has run out.
I hope you're right, but I can't see them undercutting sales of the MkII by adding a lot of features to the MkI. My money is on minor upgrades only. @@akeluify
Thank you Peter for sharing your thoughts regarding the positioning and strategy (supposed or perceived) of OM-System.
For my part, I'm not even going to consider the option of replacing my 8 month old OM1; on the other hand I would have liked to see a PEN-F mark 2.
Olympus struggled to sell the Pen F in the glory days. Even Fuji seem to have dropped their range finder style cameras. Sony sell them but then do not do a DSLR style in aps-c. The rule seems to be that multiple body styles are not viable in these current thin markets and putting the EVF on the corner or the top is a big divergence of design and they have to go for one or the other. Olympus just exclude the EVF which is the alternative in the EPL line but I just could not use mine outdoors in bright sun.
My OM-1 is two years old and I love it and it served me well. The new OM-1 MkII is a nice evolutionary improvement and has numerous slight improvements. Enough improvements that I am pre-ordering it.
The new 150-600/f5.0-6.3 lens looks good but I already own the 150-400/4.5 lens.
It is great to see OM System improving their products and coming out with new products .
Looks like you have everything you need. I can see that 150-600mm is not a lens for those who already have the 150-400mm F4.5 lens.
Another channel i watched this morning said the lense is a Rebranded Sigma sport lense . Don't expect firmware updates . Christ there has been fk all for the Canon EF version .
I Just jumped to m43 after years, recently i bought OM-1 with 300 F4 pro + MC-14 (great deal, bought it used for 1600 USD + 200 USD for TC).
And im super impressed with 300 F4 pro sharpness - probably sharpest lenses i ever used.
Don't second guess already owning150-400pro lens over the 150-600. They will probably be miles apart in handling. Since I own similar type lenses like the Panasonic/Leica 100-400 f5.0-6.3 and the Oly 150-400 pro. I have missed so many shots using the P/L lens because I have to rack focal length over 360 degrees while the Oly lens is only a quarter of a turn, the weight is a big factor in handholding especially when you are waiting for your subject to move or fly off its perch, that extra f-stop makes a world of difference in low light conditions, the 200mm of extra focal length is not a huge factor (since that is the difference between the 2 lenses I own) and lastly, you don't want a lens that the barrel extends in rainy or wet conditions, I find myself wiping down the extended barrel all the time, even if OM systems says the sigma copy is water tight, I'm sure the life expectance will be shorter than the Oly. Your white lens will last forever unless the drop it. I love OM systems gear and support with all their instructional videos on TH-cam, but for now, I will stay put not upgrading my OM1, since there is no proven improvement for wildlife video or buying new glass since all my lenses are pro versions. If you are planning to use the OMII for other genre i.e. landscape, macro photography than yes major improvements are in place for an upgrade. Hope you enjoy your new kit.
OM Systems has done zero R&D since they bought Olympus’s cameras division. They ran out of new things that were sitting on the workbench from the Olympus days after they released the 90mm macro. Note they’ve got nothing, so they’ll slowly go on stamping new names on old products and then raising the price, for a few years until everyone realizes that its a brand that will never add anything else new to the lineup. I’m happy with my OM-1 but I’m content with the fact that it’s the end of the line.
Many thanks for this update on OM systems developments - its god to se its alive and well even if the OM1 mark 2 is not for me at these times .My OM5 lives on and suits me for my photographic journey at this juncture .
Always good to hear your opinion, thanks Peter. The new OM1-II feature I like best is the graduated ND filter, I use square filters with my Fujifilm and it takes time setting up the lens adapter, holder and filter. The new nd grad means more time to spend on composition, definitely a good thing for landscapes and cityscapes. I think Olympus/OMS are really good for software features, especially Livecomp, good to see more innovation.
Totally agree.
Thanks for the plug Peter. I can't agreed on OM should really put more effort into videos, if they did, there will be a whole bunch of new comers. On the topic of human tracking. this is now different. You still have the face and eye option in the menu, but in addition, there's human that recognises the body. However, one thing I didn't mention is that other recognition modes will highlight the body of the subject, bird, car or plane, then another box highlighting the eye. Human recognition doesn't highlight the body, but it does... just invisibly. They should have made it like others so you know the camera is tracking the body too. But I guess, it will make the screen rather busy. Something I will feed that back to OM and hope they can improve it via firmware later. The GND feature is awesome, especially for travel photographers and landscape guys. Live ND also now goes to 7EV, another stop more too. IBIS has 0.5 stop improvement, brings it in line with G9 II, though we are reaching the realm of not noticing such improvement because it's already crazy stable. Anyway, good video and glad to hear your opinions as always buddy.
You made a good video about the new camera. I really like the LiveGND. I just talked to OM SYSTEM and they asked me if I want to test it. I will have it in February. It is the Live GND I want to test and of course the human detection AF.
@@ForsgardPeter That's good, I know you always do very good informative videos and have fun mate.
Thanks for your thoughts. The gradual ND addition is especially appealing, and I appreciate the continuation of overall improvements. Market demands for something completely new all the time leads to unnecessary change and reduced product reliability.
I'm still using the Olympus OMD E-M1ii and I'm still happy with it. But this is the first new OM Olympus cameras that I'm like I might buy it. I think 14-Bit raw is going to help a lot with noise reduction. I know noise reduction is already really good but more bits does help.
Same here; my primary camera body is still the OM-D E-M1 MKII. Just bought and received the 150-600mm zoom telephoto, however, and used it for the first time yesterday. And yes, I'm considering getting the Om-1 MKII once the telephoto is paid off.
Good, fair commentary. Thank you. I did purchase and recently received the 150-600mm zoom telephoto, but have only used it once (yesterday). However I'm still using the OM-D EM-1 MKII as my primary camera body. Have been hesitant to invest heavily on one of the newer models, but will do so soon. Thank you.
Hi Peter, appreciating your contributions to us as always!
For me, upgrading from my current OM-1 to the mkii will not work. Too expensive for too few improvements. So waiting for the mkiii in 2 years... ;-)
And not upgrading the firmware of the OM-1 mki for at least those features which are technically possible will lead to many disappointed clients , including myself.
They did a huge firmware upgrade in the past for the OM-D E-M1ii.
Let's hope that they're continuing to support the OM-1 mki
I agree that some of the features should be added to OM-1 via firmware. It would increase the customer satisfaction most likely a lot.
Una grandissima presa in giro nei confronti dei clienti! È veramente una presa in giro! Capisco che abbiano problemi finanziari ma non per questo devono comportarsi così con i clienti che hanno dato fiducia a OM due anni fa!
only gripe with OM System cameras is the now oddly high price for the features you get. and the MkII is at (to me) an eyewatering £2200 for the body alone. and still on many retailers the price of the first OM1 is still nearing £2000. the additions and changes seem minimal, but the price shouldnt be this high if OM System wants to stay in the game because their OM5 is still lacking a few things that many cameras now have. even the GH5ii is a mid-range/high end hybrid with animal detection and you can get it under £1000.
i feel to compete OM System needs to add more to their lines, or drop the price until its competitively attractive while being cooperative with Lumix M43rds. thats just my 2 cents/pence.
I agree that the prices are a bit hihg. On the other hand, OM-1 has been selling very well. If that info is true then it is not too expensive.
@@ForsgardPeter other retailers selling this at a lower price could be the reason why. elsewhere its £1199 new, while the retailer i use more has it at £1949. id love to see G90 equivs from OM System. i know the OM5 has an accessory grip but i feel its not enough
I also think the price of the OM1 when released and now the mark II is very overpriced.
@@samson40a no significant price drops either. it was £2k when released, knocked down by £60 almost 2 years later meanwhile Panny's GH5ii can be bought for £999. i mean stacked sensor and phase detect with subject detection adds to the cost but considering Canon too, with the R7 and even R10 can be had for simllar features for just over half the price of an OM1.
being competitive should also mean competitive on pricing too.
The strategy of OM System is not for growing their marketshare but to become provitable and not a money losing organization during Olympus days which no one’s wants. Be aware that Nikon is also focusing on cash flow and higher profitability by only releasing high priced camera as Z8 and Z9 costing above €4000. Nikon is not even interested in the sub €2000 market and even the APS-C cameras like D500 was discontinued without any replacement. Canon is restricting third party lenses to the R mount with the same reason increasing revenue. Canon first party R mount lenses are 30% highervthen equivalent EF lenses. So Canon is also working on higher profitability.
Only Panasonic, Sony and Fuji are focussing on a strategy to get marketshare from the others.
Thanks for your comments. I pre-ordered the OM Mark II for the improved bird auto focus. I currently have two OM 1s and use the 150-600 lens. Did not order the 150-600, yet, because I want to be ablet to see how big it is. I had a Sigma 150-600 when I was a Nikon user and it was heavy. I was hoping the lens would be just a little larger than the 100-400 so I could use it for general travel. We shall see.
Enjoy your new camera!
Panasonic G9 and GH6 user here, who is a hybrid shooter of mostly wildlife. If the OM-1 ii had 120FPS 4K video I would have probably ordered one, as the animal tracking looks very good. It seems strange to me that it will shoot 120FPS stills but not 4K 120FPS video, why!? So I'm going probably going to go for G9 ii or GH7, once I retire the G9.
Thanks for making a video. I always like your content.
Thank you.
Appreciate your thoughts. Many of us like your take on Olympus and of course OM System gear.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks, Peter, for your video. And yes, the video portion of my OM1 for wildlife photography is lagging. That is why I invested in a G9mk11. Happy with the purchase, luckily, I kept the P/L 100-400 native lens for Dual Stab and Boost I.S. for rock steady CAF video. Tracking of subject is huge over the OM1. But I still love my OM1 for stills especially with the native pro glass that I own. That is one lesson that I stumbled upon is always try to use NATIVE lenses with your camera body so you can get the most out of it.
You are right about the lens brand. I always recommend to get a P/L lens if you have a Pnasonic body and a M.Zuiko lens for Olympus/OM SYSTEM body. Unfortunately the compitability is not perfect.
I just finished watching an OM System into interactive on-line meeting about the OM-1 Mk II and the 150-600mm lens. The Mk II has many new upgrades made possible by physical increases in the system memory, image buffer, and new IBIS hardware. The memory upgrade was required to add the new features, and in some cases does improve processing speeds. Like Peter says here, the Live GND is just brilliant! The IBIS is 1.5 stops better than the OM-1! There are now 12.5 and 16.75 fps high speed shot options, which I think are great and much more practical. The bird tracking AF has been improved (although no demonstration of that today). The Live ND has one more stop of filtering. All in all, this is a very significant upgrade to a ground breaking camera just two years into it's market life. I do not see all these other cameras some say have caught up to the OM-1. Some for some features, perhaps, but overall, even the original OM-1 is still market leading when taken as a whole. Better is better, and overall the Mk II is a much better camera - for many people - than the original. I bought my OM-1 as a pre-release when it was announced and will be keeping it for now, but for those who can use the new features, and especially for those who do not have an OM-1 this new model is a no-brainer upgrade.
No cfex slot maintain two sd is bad decision
@@user-qq2wo8cw3g Please watch Thomas Eisl's 1 hour full review of the OM-1 Mk II - especially the benefits of the larger buffer. It might change your mind. In fact I recommend anyone remotely interested in the Mk II or how it differs from the original OM-1 take the time to see his presentation.
th-cam.com/video/O795tk3bFcg/w-d-xo.html
I totally agree with yoi @gregfeeler6910.
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Hey Peter! I really liked this format where there's a bit of foreground and you are casually leaning and talking. Maybe add an coloured light/led to the background too! :)
Thanks. The setup is not ready yet. I have some lights in the background to light the books. I could add some color to it too.
Peter, you are such a good diplomat.
I guess none of this is surprising. We don’t get a new camera with solid bird detect autofocus at 4K 120p. Something that would compete with the G9II. Instead we get a firmware update and a new badge for $2,000+. Many don’t understand the disappointment. The good news is OMDS is still doing business which gives me another few years with this camera system.
It is not a firmware update. The new more powerful memory chip makes the features possible. Also the IBIS is new.
@@ForsgardPeter thanks Peter. I studied the press release more closely and you are right. Memory has been improved but the TruePic X Dual Quad Core Processor is the same. Shame they didn't improve the video specs and make it a true hybrid camera. Now I understand why you jumped to Fujifilm. Although I'm generally disappointed with this release - I am glad this model will extend the life of my wildlife/birding gear for a few more years. 🙂
@@ForsgardPeter In the german presentation on youtube the IBIS was related to better algorithms, not new hardware!
@@ForsgardPeterIt's almost as if you know what you are talking about.
The algorithm to work, it needs memory? If I understood correctly the better IBIS is possible because of that bigger and faster memory. So the words I wrote that it is new is not correct. I said it wrong. Sorry.
"Faster than never." Love it! Thank you for sharing your impressions. I concur with all you said. Now for my thoughts.
I am very interested in the 150-600 lens. I'm a wildlife photographer and own the 100-400 now. For me, 400 mm is often not enough. I have the MC 14 extender, but that degrades the image too much. So, I'm very interested in having a lens that goes to 600 mm. I will defintely try it out if I can get my hands on one. I will reserve judgment on the lens until then. One of my complaints with the 100-400 is that it lacks sync-IS. The 150-600 has that, so that is a plus. The fact that the lens is made by Sigma, if it is, does not bother me.
I have an OM-1 that's about 6 months old, so I'm not interested in upgrading the camera just yet.
The 9-18 lens is not something I need.
Check out Thomas Eisl's very thorough review of the camera.
Thanks!
Thanks. I have not seen Thomas Eisl's review yet. It is a long video and have not had the time. Thomas makes very detailed reviews. I like his style.
Great video and thanks for sharing your thoughts.I am buying a Panny GH9II instead of an OM due to the video features. I always felt Fuji was way behind on auto focus but the last Fuji I had was the XT2. Maybe that changed.
That changed a lot. The XT3 improved a lot already, especially after a slimmed down version of the AF system from the XT4 trickled down with updates. With the XH2/XT5 they then fully rewrite the AF algorithm, making it on par or better than the systems that were the first to "break the ice", like the Sony A7iii.
Fuji now has a very capable autofocus, comparable to the current first generation Phase-AF that Lumix has introduced with the S5II and then brought to the G9ii.
If AF is the deciding factor between a Lumix or a Fuji, the answer would be a toss-up. Both work differently, but good and correctly in their own right, yet still perform not as reliant as the AF systems in the Canon R5/R8/R7/R3, Sony A7rV/A1/A9iii/A7cii or Nikon Z9/Z8. Those are all also the latest and mostly highest end though, but something more comparable like the R8/R7 or A7IV/A7cii will still give them trouble and may come out ahead.
Panasonic G9II is a better video camera than OM-1 Mark II. Good choice. I am totally happy with the Fuji AF, both in still and video.
@@ForsgardPeter Great to hear Peter. I worked for Fuji for 11 years and it sounds like they stepped up their game. :) Enjoy shooting Fuji.
@@Linealo Thanks for the input Linealo. Glad to hear your input :) I worked for Fuji for a long time and left when the XT2 was still in production. Glad they stepped up their game:)
Thanks, Peter. I hope all is well with you. You should come on down to Costa Rica and take some cool wildlife pics.
Costa Rica would be a nice place to visit.
I'm pleased OM system has launched OM1 mk2. The date for my upgrade from EM1 mk2 is getting closer. Currently, I'm undecided between OM1 and G9 mk2.
I'll sit on my hands for a few months and see what the post launch firmware upgrades are like.
If you will shoot wildlife - get OM-1 mk2 with 300 F4 Pro for sure - best lens i have seen.
I think this is one of the most reasonable responses I've seen to these announcements. One thing that I don't think that many camera people seem to get is that the premium models earn their investment back not by the handful of people who buy the latest premium model but by the countless others who are quietly influenced to buy lower in the product range because they see that a premium model exists. It's about confidence in the brand, not about the salability of the premium model.
I also appreciate that you're not just piling on. I've dropped some subscriptions because of shannels parroting what they read in other channels' comments.
Thank you very much.
I'll stick with my GH4 and will likely add a used one to the roster. I don't foresee the OM1 or OM5 reaching price points that I can afford.
GH4 is still quite capable video cam. I still have one, but haven't really used it for awhile.
Thanks Peter…it seems like a great camera, but like the OM1 more focused on photography with a certain niche. It is a revolutionary upgrade? No, but incremental improvements are fine. Would you upgrade from an OM1..my guess is for most people the answer is no…but this is common amongst many brands; most cameras more than meet most people needs today. If a paid firmware upgrade could do it might be the better solution, but uncertain if that would work. It appears that for most basic video usage it would work well, but it’s not the video centric camera that the G9ii is, so G9ii the better choice if video key. For outdoor adventure photography OM1 or OM1ii still seems to be one of the best for the price. I do wish it was smaller and lighter, but I say that all the time about MFT these days. My soapbox speech I guess. BTW: I liked the style of this video; casual, leaning comfortably and no exaggerated comments.
I own the OM-1 and the ii is AUD 1400 (USD 1000) more in Australia. Insane and considering it’s still a 20mb sensor I won’t be changing. I think it’s no different than E-m1 ii owners not upgrading to the iii.
How many megapixels should their be? For me the computational features are far more interesting than megapixels. Computational features gives me more possiblities for creativity that megapixel. Besides megapixels can be added with AI and upscaling.
What OM-S is doing is great. The OM5 in the body of the EM5 III, an update of the OM1 at €2400, a sigma lens from the full frame at twice the price, confinement in wildlife and macro, a virtual disappearance boutiques... So it's because it's great that you changed brands?... They are chasing a shareholder profit which does not satisfy the photographers. Good for them, too bad for us. Ps: fed up with birds caught in flight and flies on rose petals! 😂
If you have watched my video you know the reason why I do not use OM SYSTEM cameras anymore. It is all about the video features. I need more thatn OM-1 can give me. The main thing is Open gate. If it was only about photography I would do fine with OM-1.
When I look at cameras and test thme. It is not only about is a particular camera for me. I always try to look beyond that. OM-1 is one of the best wildlife/bird photography camera on the market. Since I am not either of those, the features are not all something I need. I could use OM-1 for my steert photography, but from OM SYSTEM I prefer OM-5 dfor that. My main cameras for street is Ricoh GR3x now. It is small enough for me.
I have to be om-1 and I am happy with it. I just hope to get in 6-8 months a software update to get the better focus and nd-filter. Otherwise I am satisfied.
I think at the Olympus times this just would have been a normal cost free update for the OM-1 and it will not be a real commercial success for OM Systems. My OM-1, and I don‘t use video at all, is still a dream of a camera, I simply enjoy it everytime when I‘m making pictures.
Some of the features woyld not have been possible without the new memory chip. Maybe OM SYSTEM knows that the free firmware update policy was not that good of a business strategy. On the other hand users were happy, but did they generate enough money on that policy?
I am waiting for a great Olympus Wide Angle lens like Pana 9mm 1.7. I use the Olympus 12mm f2., its good but I would be glad with a wider and faster one from OM.
The most interesting bit about the changes in the Mk II to me are the button ergonomics… how the controls work in the hands while paying attention to the sun glinting off the fangs of the cobra as it strikes your hand is really where the ergonomics count. But will I spend the money for such improvements…? - probably not.
I'm starting to look at Fujifilm as well Peter. Glad we live in an era of wonderful choice.
That is the good thing. We have choices that are best for us.
I would like to see 8-10 MP sensor with great low light performance for photo and video! 4K with high fps, maybe 300s and modern color profiles 12 bit, raw, e.t.c. I suspect they can do this as a modification of recent OM 5, like OM 5s or something. I dont need 26 megapixels, I need good low light performance for video and astrophoto
That is a good point.
Are you searching for GH5s?😂
Made by Sigma is fine, made for a full frame coverage but adapted to M43 is not fine.
well, you would be critical of the outside edges being soft over full frame, but using m43 sensor would use the sharpest centre image circle?
@@godsinbox what about the almost only advantage of the m43 : the size ?
@@jimofmarseille Yes, size plus what it means which would also be weight. This 150-600 + OM-1 body is as heavy as aps-c or even FF with "similar" lenses, because it seems based on a lens from those systems. So no advantage for m4/3 any more. I do hope that it might be effectively a better performer in the smaller image circle but we'll have to wait for exacting tests.
@@godsinbox it isn't true, it's indeed the center circle but MFT sensors are more demanding in terms of resolution than FF or APS-C, meaning this center circle will lose quality the same way as using a x2 or x1.4 adapter.
It's sad but I had the same though when I started in MFT, and started to reuse my EF lenses adapted with AF adapters, but even Canon "L" lenses produced not as good results as on FF, and it's the same with Canon APS-C cameras, a smaller a sensor is, more resolution it needs. "L" lenses are OK because they are excellent, but non "L" or non "Pro" FF lenses" are just not good enough for smaller sensors such as APS-C or MFT.
And the size, because the 300mm 2.8L Canon is an amazing lens but at a cost of being quite heavy.
JIP bought Olympus on january 2021.
Oluympus is now rebadged OM System but nobody knows OM System brand, OM-1 II is just a little more than a firmware update and the 150-600 is a Sigma rebranded lense.
Not very encouraging for the future.
It's great to hear your views on OM System's new products, Peter. I am not yet in the market for a new camera body, but if I were, I'd opt for the Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 Mk II. It has better video features, and I want to learn to shoot good video material, but it also cooperates with all lens image stabilisation, which recent OM System bodies do not; they only cooperate with their own Pro lenses. But Micro Four Thirds continues to grow and evolve, I think in a good way. The M. Zuiko 150-600mm telephoto zoom appeals to me, but as a secondhand buy, I think.
Paul 😎
If video is important then Panasonic G9 Mark II is a better choice.
Are you saying the Panasonic G9ii will dual-sync IS with Olympus stabilized lenses?
Unfortunately it won't.
Hi. I honestly think that they should do more..
The only reason why I still use MFT is my extensive lens collection. I might consider the Panasonic G9 II, because it offers a (slight) increase in image quality. The OM-1 I and II don’t, instead they have a price increase. So I’m out for now…
I agree that the price is on the high side.
Interesting thoughts and have seen a bunch of other YT vids on the MK II. Was looking at maybe moving from MFT to Sony which would be a big leap. Was not impressed with the OM1 Mk I because of the auto focus issues. The Mk II seems to have fixed this. On video, not really had any issues with Olympus if you keep fully manual, the OM1 MK II does look like a big improvement over what I currently use.
On new lens's, would love to see a newer version of the 17mm f.28 pancake to compete with the Lumix 14mm F.2.5. Both these lens's are ancient. Need something small and simple with better and quieter autofocus. As OM have to rebrand their existing line to OM Systems it's an ideal time to just change the servo's and get it out there.
I would also like that Olympus made a real good quality pancake lens. That would go well for street photography.
I'm afraid I will have to take issue with your assessment, Peter, of the 150-600mm Sigma lens for OM. It's a full frame designed lens...somewhat retrofitted for M4/3. That suggests it was not designed for M4/3 and is therefore a compromise. Certainly, it's heavier than it has to be. In addition, it's big. Well...actually, not that bad if what you want is a full frame zoom of that range for a FF camera. But for m4/3's? It's a monster for that usage. And a fair portion of that size is to accommodate the FF sensor...which OM cameras don't have. Third, you mention the MC-20. I have two copies of that teleconverter. One I use on my 40-150mm f2.8 pro lens. It works great. I prefer it to the MC-14. The other MC-20 goes on my 300 f4 pro. Another great combination. I use it more than with the MC-14 I have. What I do use my MC-14 on is my 100-400mm Olympus lens. It does well there, probably because the MC-14 only increases the aperture by one f stop. However, using the MC-20 on the 100-400mm...I've tried and it flopped. I know it's not my particular MC-20's. They work great on my pro lenses. But on the 100-400mm...not so much. The MC-20 gives me no better resolution than the MC-14 and cropping. And you lose a stop of light. Now that's a bad trade. So, I expect that this 150-600mm monstrosity with the same aperture wide open at the long end of 6.3 will not work any better with the MC-20. With the MC-20, the aperture wide open at the long end is f/13. For m4/3, diffraction gets bad above f/11. Some suggest you don't go above f8. I can live with f/11, so I will use that, but f/13? Bad idea.
So, there you go. As much as I would like the extra reach, let me suggest you get what you pay for. If I absolutely had to have more reach than I get with my 300mm pro and MC-20, I'd have to bite the very hard bullet and get the 150-400mm f/4.5 Pro.lens. Yeah, it's costly, but you get what you pay for. And I will note that the Sigma Sport lens for Sony/Leica or Canon that the new 150-600mm seems modeled after sell for $1500-1700. This new lens is listed for $2700. NO SALE.
As a former Olympus user, I would love to see a new version of the PEN-F. Would buy it in a heartbeat. Considering how popular the X100-range is, there’s room for a competitor that allows for interchangeable lenses, while keeping beautiful retro-look.
I would also consider getting a Pen-F Mark II. Of course it would depend on the price, the quality and the features. Not sure if a Pen-F would sell. Fuji is selling a lot X100 cameras. Part of it is that it was a TikTok hit. It went viral in that community. Other rangefinder style cameras from Fuji are not selling that well. They have not updated X-E and X-Pro cameras for a few years. I have heard that those two did not sell very well. Both camera sare really good and I would consider both of them, but there are some thing like IBIS missing.
@@ForsgardPeter The X100 was already very popular before the TikTok rage, but indeed that rage made it even worse. Now street photography being so popular, OM Systems could benefit with a cool PEN-F MkII. I guess the MkI was a bit too early, to catch the true retro-hype.
A pseudo rangefinder style camera will never reach the quantities of a conventional DSLR-style model (except for Leica), but the target group is very consistent and loyal. The X-E has become very popular the last 2 years. Pre-owned they are close to new price nowadays. The X-E4 even sells for higher than new prices. Just like the X100V.
Fuji has a huge supply chain issue. Ever since COVID-19 they haven’t been able to solve their logistics issue and they’re still facing problems. That’s why they silently ‘discontinued’ many models without successors. The new X100 is scheduled for early this year and rumor goes that the new X-Pro will come towards end of 2024 or early 2025, which is a year late compared to the original schedule (every 4 years). The X-Pro1 and 2 were great hits for Fuji, but the 3 lagged behind. Largely due to the price and strange design decision re. the LCD screen. Hardcore fans upgraded to the 3, but the larger part of the X-Pro2 users sticked to their 2. Even today, pre-owned X-Pro2s in very good to excellent condition, are hard to come by. People hold on to them, partly in expectation of the 4.
Thanks for the info. You might be right about Pen-F. It was maybe too early for that type of camera. I am looking forward to new Fuji cameras, especially the possible X-E5. That would most likely be the best street camera for me. I am also interested in Pen-F Mark II if...
I always value your opinion on kit and would love to see if you can get a loan to test. I just watched Thomas Eisl and there is so much more to this iteration. The facial recognition algorithms are sensational. I may save up for this.
I have talked to OM SYSTEM today and I will get one for testing in February. Interesting to see how it is in real use.
@@ForsgardPeterGood to hear. Look forward to comments from a REAL photographer who will use it rather than people just reading the specs. As someone else has commented Thomas Eisl has dissected the improvements and there are real improvements under the hood that enable options for better photos
Thomas Eisl usually does a very detailed job when reviewing gear.
The improved bit depth and autofocus are enough for me to upgrade, having seen other video reviews that demo this.
Yes it’s not just slightly better af it’s significantly better which is wild
I have OMD EM1 mrk ii and I LOVE it. But let's agree on one thing, if Olympus does not think outside the box in the near future, it will be the end.
The technology has caught up and not much makes Olympus stand out. Of course for long telephoto there are very good lenses in terms of size, but how many of us need 1200mm for birding?!
And now OM-1 Mark II with some software updates, not to mention the price of the rebranded Sigma lens(150-600)!🤔
Anyway, good luck to Olympus and I really hoping for big sales for them🙏
I think they have made some good cameras lately. The features are quite impressive for outdoor photographers etc. LiveGND is a great feature for outdoor and landscape photographers. What would you want?
@@ForsgardPeter don't get me wrong, for my needs the EM1 mrk II holds plenty, and a little more. I look at the horizon not from my own needs only, but from what the market wants. More MP- better noise performance etc.
What I want (since you ask) is a fixed lens (28mm) in Olympus OM-10 (film) body🤤💦
There is no Olympus. It's OM System
You certainly are coping & pasting the same comment everywhere.
@@Vaptomwen Yes I did it. On 3 channels that are up to date and know m43 well to start a healthy conversation. Hope it's ok for you.
I can't make out what is actually different with the new 9-18 lens, other than change of logo and a hood is now included. For me if they had added weather sealing, even if slightly larger it would have been great and in line with the M43 overall objectives, small light, robust.
I have not looked into it. I will get one for testing this month. Let's see what I find out.
I want to buy a camera for my upcoming travel to Madagascar in april and the OM1 has a lot going for it, it aint cheap, but vs full frame it saves on good lenses due to the smaller sensor.
That way I have some money left to look to buy a macro or tilt lens for some fun, any advice on what lenses to get as a basic kit?
Also, the weatherproof made me consider the Fuji TX5.
For now, I guess I'm waiting for more info about the om1 mark 2 and see how it holds up.
The only doubt I have is the continuous existence of m43, I had a bad experience with buying the Samsung NX500 a week before they announced to close the doors on the camera division...
while the NX500 camera still aint bad, the batteries are mostly useless over time and only work when directly connected to a powerbank...
I guess in a few years I will probably exclusively shoot only with my mobile phone anyway so this will be a purchase to bridge that time.
I do not think that MFT is going anywhere in many years. OM SYSTEM and Panasonic will make cameras for years. It is really hard to say which one would be better, X-T5 or OM-1 Mark II. Most likely both cameras will do the job.
I have mixed feelings.
If a new sensor and all necessary changes are expensive, I can accept a new camera without meaningful changes. But if algorithms are now better than in the past, they must be loaded on old OM-1 too.
Because customers of a photographic system are long term partners, you cannot insult them asking them money on a new device if software can run also in old ones.
I am not sure the other features could be done without a new memory chip that OM-1 Mark II has. If I understood correctly the LiveGND needs that. The buffer size needs that too. I do not if the improved Human Detection could be updated via firmware to OM-1.
@@ForsgardPeter Some guys complain about autofocus on OM1...
I agree, a few years back Olympus introduced a firmware upgrade to E-M1 ii that put the autofocus in line with the E-M1X.
As for the OM-1ii, I'm wondering how much of their "improvements" could have been done with a firmware upgrade. Obviously, not the buffer increase. However, it kind of seems like they did a minor upgrade but had to change the name from Olympus to OM System on the camera, and decided to issue a new camera with some new features...and not upgrade the owners of the OM-1. If I was an OM-1 owner, I would not be happy about that. However, the last model I bought was the EM1X. It still works fine. What it doesn't do is follow subjects with tracking autofocus very well. I'm referring to animal subjects. Very quick animal subjects. It will just lose them. I expect the OM-1 wasn't a lot better. If the new OM-1ii had that capability...really, really sticky even for quick darting subjects, then I would be interested. And that is what has me interested in the Sony A9III. Not the global shutter, though that may help with fast autofocus. I want really sticky tracking autofocus...with AI. Recognize what I want tracked and stick to it like glue. I'll be waiting to see/hear how the new OM-1 does with that.
The AF system has been built from ground up. It is much improved especially the tracking part. Thomas Eisl has a good video about the new stuff in OM-1 Mark II. Here is a link to that video: th-cam.com/video/O795tk3bFcg/w-d-xo.html
@@ForsgardPeter I've watched some of Eisl's commercial for OM systems, but it's too long to watch it all. Your response is enough, but it doesn't answer my observation. Could they have done a firmware upgrade? I've seen suggestions on other web sites that it should be possible as the code for the software doesn't take that much memory. That said, I don't expect your or Eisl to actually know whether it's possible or not. As for the tracking performance, I will wait for evaluations not done by OM ambassadors. They all seem to have such a large bias and cannot be trusted.
I had a short change of messages with OM SYSTEM. They said to me that it is the new more powerful memory chip that makes some of the features possible. The two being the Live GND and the new AF algorithm. That is the info I got. Thomas Eisl is not an OM SYSTEM Ambassador, nor am I. I used be but I did not want to renew my contact that ended in March last year.
@@ForsgardPeter Thanks. That is good information. Of course, some may not believe OM as they apparently promised to keep the original OM-1 up to date. But I don't have a dog in that fight as I don't own the original OM-1. If I like what the mark 2 version can do, I will consider buying it as I am well invested in all the glass!!!
What we know is what they said. For now we need to believe that is the way they said. I agree that giving somthing that is possible to OM-1 via firmware would be nice. We have to see if that happens. I believe they said in one of their Live Streams that OM-1 won't be updated with a new fimware.
I think you mean graduated ND, and that is a slick tool. Clearly, the OM-1 II is a great camera, but not enough to make me switch from what for me is superior Lumix ergo (although I do wish they'd put the 5.76MP EVF on the G9 II).
I'm surprised that a long-time MFT user wouldn't go with Lumix for video, rather than moving to a somewhat larger (although less versatile) sensor. But then, I'm not a videographer.
It is not the sensor size. At that time of my switch Panasonic AF was not reliable on video. I need that on my YT videos. I also like Fuji and its video look and feel. Not sure if I would be able to get that look with Panasonic.
Thanks Peter, you always talk common sense.
Thanks.
Thanks Peter, that came across as quite well reasoned and it is good to hear someone apply good business sense to challenges faced by the companies competing in this now declining market. They have to make a profit, else they will go away. We can only expect to see reduced R&D budgets and decisions need to be made around where to invest their effort and resources. I would be all for them standardising the camera body designs to save money (as they did with EM5 iii and OM-5 having the same body, why not, the ergonomics are pretty well sorted) and then improving the features and performance as technology allows, as with your suggestion for improved video. I am also wondering if they could look at firmware updates that add features to existing cameras and charge for the updates (as opposed to just bug fixes, which of course should be free). How about facilitating hardware upgrades on the machines themselves, for example when you buy a computer, you can choose what sort of processor or how much RAM, which graphics card etc. Then release the same camera with different levels of specification to suit individual needs. I know it maybe not so easy, as they are all 10lbs of stuff in a 5lb box and there is cooling and so forth to think about.
Interesting idea that you could update the hardware. Adding a more powerful memory etc. Interesting.
Thank you for your opinion. I am kind of disappointed the 150-600 is much bigger then it has to be for MFT- but if OM wouldn't have made this move, there would be no lens in this range at all for OM! Double the price of the sigma is too much of a premium, but they'll sell a huge amount of it anyway...
The downside is the size. I have also wondered about the price. I did not looked at that before I made this video.
@@ForsgardPeterprobably because they went and made it waterproof at IPX1, also changing the coating on the front lens. The sigma was just water resistant. Also since the sigma was discontinued, they probably just share the design and not the materials.
I like how OM System added this video to their review playlist.
Yes, they have a habit of adding some content from other channels to their playlists.
In 20 years of photography (as a hobby) the OM-1 was the first flagship camera that I bought new. It is a great camera but initially it felt like they launched it with a preproduction firmware... I was disappointed in many ways though the camera does deliver in general.
But to see this Mark II and the standstill in firmware updates on the OM-1 since V1.5 just lets me down.
I consider selling some of my MFT gear and only keep the M5 MkIII and my 1.2 lenses. I may switch to Nikon Z or Panasonic full frame, depending on a new Z6 III. Fuji is also an option but I'm less eager for this.
full frame will not let you down. you will have brilliant shots. I am also considering buying a Nikon Z f.
only the multiple lenses I own hold me back at mft. otherwise I would have given up on them a long time ago.
Nikon Zf is a great camera. I would love to test it. According to reviews the retro feel has been done the right way.
I get my most brilliant street photos with my Ricoh GRIIIx. I am almost invisible with a small camera. It is not the sensor size that gives you brilliant images, it is the photographer no matter the sensor size. My Ricoh GRIIX never lets me down.
@@ForsgardPeter Peter hello. The look of the photo is determined by the photographer, I agree with that. By Brilliant shot I meant overall image quality. I had the opportunity to compare Nikon D750 vs Panasonic G9. It's Ferrari vs Peugeot. Professional photographers go to the limits of mft, they will use all their knowledge just to prove what great shots they can create with mft. No, you are actually wasting your talent. That's my opinion.
Ricoh GR3x is APS-C. I know from experience that I get shots with my Ricoh that I would not get with a bigger camera. Yes, a 100Mpix Hasselblad or a high FF camera would give me better technical quality,. The problem is would not get the shots at all in the first place.
@@ForsgardPeter There are many cameras on the market today. I am not familiar with Ricoh at all. But I really like the APS-C format. It really makes a full frame impression. Fujifilm is a beautiful camera not only technically but also aesthetically. And aesthetics are also important to me. I have to like the camera. Otherwise, I stop enjoying photography. I think Nikon understood this with the Z f model.
Hi Peter. I think it's not been a good idea to charge you extra money for upgrades that could have been done through a software upgrade, except for the larger buffer, that is not a deal breaker. I believe this is just a marketing and branding move.
They don't respecting the costumers
I am not sure the other features could be done without a new memory chip that OM-1 Mark II has. If I understood correctly the LiveGND needs that. The buffer size needs that too. I do not if the improved Human Detection could be updated via firmware to OM-1.
@@ForsgardPeter in any case the changes do not justify, IMHO, retiring from the market a USD 2,2K 2 years old camera and replace it with a 99% equal camera that cost USD 2,4K! That really doesn't promote brand loyalty!
@@ForsgardPeterI think it's highly unlikely that the AF improvements need the increased memory chip. Or at minimum the OM1.1 didn't have the ability to be improved.
If that is the case, shame on OM systems for releasing a camera that they claimed to be a flagship but they knew was behind the mark on hardware.
A two year product cycle with no new features for a flagship is unacceptable. Name one recent camera that hasn't had multiple improvements over the first couple years or even consistent development 4-5 years after release.
@@ForsgardPeter I’d just be happy withe a firmware upgrade to have the menu button on the right. 😉
The one thing with a marginal interest for me in this release, was the 9-18, but given that it seems to be just make-up and no words on adressing the ribbon cable issue and no weathersealing it is of no further interest.
Unfortunately I cannot say about the specs or techical aspekts of that lens.
Current video features are good enough to me. I actually moved from Fuji to EM1 because of the way better photo features.
I actually, I recently made a video with a two cameras setup (EM1-III and X-T3), the video coming out of the EM1 is just better (color looks way more natural and easier to process).
But yeah, some more video things would be nice.
To upgrade to OM1-x, I am waiting for better dials and bigger buttons. To my hands (and gloves), the dials of the EM1-III are way better than the OM1. The dials/ergonomics of the X-Tx/X-H series are unusable especially with gloves.
If they could make the Grad ND feature work with a non-linear division, variable v-shaped or curved, it would be really ground-breaking - difficult to do that with physical filters, but I can't see why it shouldn't be possible with computational photography.
I totatlly agree that would be even better. I do not see why it would not be possible. Every pixel or at least part of pixels could be exposed with different exposure?
I honestly just want a om10 with em1mk3 specs
I am perhaps in the minority. I have the EM-1 mkiii and the OM-5. I look forward to OM-1mkii. I will never do complex video, so the ability of the OM-5 and future OM-1 mkii to basic video is fine by me. I am more focused on the photography experience. The OM-5 with mzuiko fast primes is great. The OM-1ii looks like a great wildlife, landscape option, and perhaps a sports option. I'm not chasing megapixels. That's just hype. The rubberized controls to make shooting with gloves easier and the graduated ND filter impress me more than would a 25 megapixel sensor.
I agree with you. The Live GND is a great and useful feature.
Thanks Peter, I’ve been following you all the way in my photography journey with Olympus, Came immediately for your run down before checking out the ‘official’ videos 👍 I just upgraded to an OM5 …. I think (hope) a used OM1 will be the next step in the future, A MK2 out already will help soften the OM1 used prices I hope.
Thanks, yes most likely OM-1 will be cheaper after this announcement. Have you liked your OM-5?
Thanks for this video. Yes, I would buy it of it was time to buy a new one, and despite the lack of thoose extra video features. I hope they make an OM-2 camera soon,that is video centric.
But most of all, I want an PEN-F mk2 with Weather sealing and a new sensor, the one from OM-1 or a brand new that later finds its way into OM-X. Second most desire for OMDS is a PEN-Tiny and a PEN-light. And also a OM-100, yes a 100. A really light compact cheep entry version of future OM-10 camera. That camera should in my opinion be in size of the bridge camera Stylus 1s but MFT instead of Bridge camera. OM-10 has to be upgrade from E-M1 mk4, but OM-100 has to be super simple. Like putvthe P-A-S-M dial in the touchdisplay, like less Burtons, more display.
I’m very happy you tell all mockers you will not mock Om System.
I believe many new camera from OMDS will comeback this year. I think this is start of a propper MFT year.
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A small street photography camera would be nice. Yes, I won't mock good products.
I HOPE it's a start, but I am thinking that they don't have any vision left, just wildlife and macro. IMHO they should talk more to their fans and offer a camera road map. Right now, they just release a camera, their ambassadors preach, and after a week or two, the hype is over for the next 12 months. Last year Rob Trek, Peter, Robin and Red 35 either stopped being ambassadors and/or started using other systems. That is not a good sign. The fans want this brand to succeed more than the brand wants this
Jimmy Cheng from RED35 is still an OM SYSTEM Ambassador. Rob Trek has never been an Ambassador. He still uses OM SYSTEM gear among other gear he has. Robin was, but not for a few years. Cannot say for sure, but I think Robin wanted to continue. For some odd reason OM SYSTEM did not want to continue with him. I did not renew my contract that ended in March last year. I am more to video work nowadays and Fuji was a better option for me.
@ForsgardPeter I didn't make myself clear, sorry about that. All creators that I have listed were 100%MFT users, and now they use different systems or are not ambassadors at all. I am sorry, but the way I see it, OM will become Pentax in 2 years if they don't communicate with their fans better. Communication also implies listening to their needs
@pauuuuul87 Yes, you are right that we all used 100% MFT.
Before I comment, I own and use the EM1x & EM1.3 plus a range of their pro glass and the 100-400.
My only issue with the recent announcements was the 150-600 lens. This negates the advantages for Mu-43 even more than the 100-400
With bodies now about the same size as the smaller FF like Panasonic recent cameras and now using lenses from FF a lot of people may say why not just use FF if you are into birding etc.
The question is are they killing their future market? If you were a FF user would you drop down a sensor size to possibly use the same lens on a small sensor?
Now I know there are also smaller lenses and I own those, and being an existing Mu-43 user will not swap soon. But if you were using another system would you change to Mu-43?
Hopefully this is just OM releasing these rebadged lenses while they grow the system enough to make native lenses and get the size and weight down a bit
Something I see like no one talking about that I even just realized now. This is from the point of view of market competition, not people within the system that have a bunch of lenses and want to keep in.
The OM-1 Mark II in the US is just $100 cheaper than the Fuji X-H2s. Both have stacked sensors. The Fuji not only has a bigger sensor with higher resolution, but also faster readout (1/120 vs 1/180). And the Fuji does video much better.
And some people wonder why I think an EM1MKII class body size with as much as they can pack in it would be something the competition couldn't touch even if they have to price that high like $1800-$2200 USD.
It was logical “Olympus” would go as the OM5 was branded OM system. I wasn’t interested in the OM1 so the version II is only good news to me as it indicates OM is still going and listening to feedback and upgrading. So lenses etc. for my OM5 will still be made. I do think Ricoh have a better model where firmware is updated and provided foc to existing GRIII owners. It is pricey for a fixed lens camera but you get value in what it produces and the continuing support, so you don’t feel like you are being milked to keep upgrading.
I’m not thrilled with LiveGND, though I really love all computational functions OM has. I’m used to exposure bracketing and post-processing is quite easy. LiveGND somehow limits the post-processing as adjusting the mask or HDR composing is common.😢
How will it prevent masking? It can still be adjusted normally in post. On teh other hand it is meant to make the editing easier.
@@ForsgardPeter I have to admit that until I have OM12 on hand I'm still unfamiliar with this function. But can I still adjust the GND filter direction or intensity in the post? If that can be done, do I have to edit it in OM workspace or I can use Lightroom🤔
I think it can be masked with any software. Not the LiveGND itself, but like any other photograph. If the Live GND itself is adjsutable in post then most likely it is something you need to do in OM Workspace.
Hey Peter, thanks for that video and your opinion but I don't agree with your thoughts about the 150-600 lens. It's good to use the R&D from other companies to minimize investment, also this is a good quality lens so this is a good step. My problem is that it's the full frame size, they didn't use only the existing optical scheme but to make it smaller and lighter just to cover the m4/3 image circle. We can speculate here that this change will be like producing a completely different lens, investing in new machines and new lens elements for the smaller sensor. That's a possible theory, maybe this was the easiest solution, to use the existing full frame lens, just to change the lens mount and with some small internal changes of protocols and algorithms. I'm ok also with this, but I'm not OK with the double price compared with the full frame price. This is absolute mockery - it's like OM System saying... oh there is no native lens with 1200mm equivalent reach and we are advertising the system like a bird/wildlife system so we can charge twice the money without doing everything and the stupid photographers will pay. I don't accept that! This lens should be priced at $999 to be successful and to sell more of it or if they did it the other way to change it and reduce the size and weight with the current lens design probably they can sell it for $1500. Now in this situation if you want this reach go and buy the Canon EF version of the lens with a converter and use it on your m4/3 camera. The price will be way less than $1000.
I don't think the concern is that the 150-600 is a rebadged sigma, and I suspect that any truly new lenses from OMS will indeed need to be rebadged or collaborations with brands like sigma - instead I think the concern is that it's a full-frame lens that isn't optimized for MFT
Peter, you mentioned OM System's "massive" lens selection. The 150-600mm lens certainly fits that definition. The OM-1 with this lens is comparable to or heavier than many APS-C and even FF cameras with their long zooms attached. So the only benefit of the new lens is to give people who do not want to change cameras, an ultra-zoom option that is less expensive than the 150-400. This new lens is still quite expensive, and I am still waiting to see actual performance tests on it, but for a non-professional who does not use it to generate income it is probably too expensive, and for those who like M4/3 because of the size and lightness it is also not a win.
I think that the only thing that could really make it compelling would be a speed booster to use all of that glass to gather more light instead of relying on the crop to boost effective zoom while losing light.
I totally agree with you what it comes to the price. It is quite high. It is 1,8x times more than the Sony E-mount. You said it, most likely it for those who wants more reach but cannot afford the 150-400mm lens. It is slightly risky, but the strategy could work. Olympus/OM SYSTEM have pretty loyal users.
Thank you for weighing in on this Peter. I watched Jimmy's video, and I was really confused by it, as it came across as an ad for OM Systems, and not a review. That surprised me, because I have been enjoying his content for years, but that video of his hit wrong.
I think OM Systems needs to do a little more than merely play the refresh & rebrand game to gain consumer trust again. These efforts seem like token gestures, almost like a band releasing a "greatest hits" album to fulfill a contractual obligation.
The OM1.2 seems like a very mild refresh to me, and everything about it (except the doubled buffer size) could have been taken care of with a firmware update, right? Let's face it, while the OM-1.2 is a very decent camera, its bones are over two years old now. As for the lenses, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't repurposing a FF lens completely destroying the portability argument of MFT? I get that it was purely a financial decision, but still, that seems like a misstep to me; where that zoom built from the ground up for MFT, wouldn't it have been far more compact, and perhaps even lighter, but match specs and quality? I was also quite surprised that the re-badged OM version of the lens costs considerably more than the Sigma FF version. Very strange to me. The other two lenses seem like, again, very subtle refreshes, and re-brands, and not much more.
No the new memory chip is the key here. The buffer and LiveGND needs that. Not sure about the Human Recognition AF. That might be possible with a firmware update to OM-1.
What amazes me is the repeated statements that the m43 ecosystem is dead, yet we get 3+ lenses per year and no other mount has as many wonderful lens options. Kudos to Panasonic for actually releasing new products right now because their L mount HAS to be a priority if they're going to compete with the big 3. It's an unusual time for m43, but I wouldn't give up yet.
As an Om1 /gx9 user, and m43 lover, I can say in my opinion m43 is dying, they are not releasing new lenses, they are releasing rebranded lenses that already existed before with minor updates, their new cameras are just rebranded cameras with the om systrm logo with software updates, I see this strategy as if they were desperate.
@@juanignaciodeleze3437 Leave and I’ll buy your used gear. I’ll be using m43 from here on. They’ve lead the industry with lens and firmware tech for 15+ years. The slowdown is perceived. It’s not a technology race any longer.
It should not amaze you. First you lose the unique selling proposition of size and weight. Then you get these warm ups. Make no mistake- Panasonic already has a foot on the exit just in case. OM Systems simply doesn’t have the resources at the moment. They could trail along like another Pentax with the win of keeping cameras in service, but yes, they are dying.
Some people say “but people have been saying this for years” - yup, but there’s people that have been saying that for years and people that actually provide reasons for it. I saw 4/3rds die, and there was the same denial about it. Panasonic said they would not abandon that format- until they did.
@@Raist3db Two flagship cameras in two years. You really need to manage your expectations a little better.
@@awksedgreep correction: one flagship camera and the same camera the next year with minor software updates and a biigger buffer (which the first one didn't need as it was extremely fast paired with the correct sd card), This MkII was not a new camera,was actually a physical software update for the old one ,why they didn't just released a software update for the first one? Mainly because they cannot sell the om1 under the Olympus branded name since the licensing with them just ended. But instead of being beneficial it is actually disastrous because now they are forcing us to buy the new camera (which is exactly the same as the previous one) to get the later firmware updates that will be coming later on.
Saying m43 is dying doesnt means it is predicting that it will suddenly disappear soon,but it means it has become a very specific nich system that no longer shows a real advantage over better systems with higher specifications and getting lower and lower in price e.g.(panasonic s5ii, sony a7iv, canon r7,canon r6ii, fujifilm x series etc) while m43 is a dying system going up in price by the day to survive feeding on their remaining customers.
Thanks a lot for your thoughts! Very balanced and realistic.
Thanks.
Tamron make lenses for Nikon, with Nikon label. Even if the new M.Zuiko lens is a remodelled Sigma, and everyone is complaining about it, we should remember the words of Oscar Wilde: “There’s only one thing worse than being talked about, and that’s not being talked about”.
You picked a good quote.
The problem isn't that Sigma makes it. They are a good company. The problem is it's not designed for m43 and the exact same model in the E Mount sells for $1300. You can literally get the exact lens and bundle with a dedicated Sony body for almost the same cost as the m43 mount copy by itself.
I agree that it is quite expensive. There some changes to the lens, but are those worth the price, I do not know.
The problem is OM System or the old Olympus was small and light so why put a full frame lens on a new camera, if I’m going to do that I might as well get a Sony or a Cannon and weight myself down with those, definitely not for me no matter how cheap if you can call 2 thousand plus cheap it twice the price of the Sigma version.
As an old Olympus fan, I though buying the OM1 when it's released but not enough improvements compared to the OMD-1mkIII, especially at this price, and last year I bought the G9M2 and I'm in love with this camera, it's sad to say but the OM1mk2 is more comparable to the G9 than to the G9M2, and the OM1mkII is +-20% more expensive than the G9M2 and twice the price of the G9.
I don't know what's the marketing plan of OMSystem, but instead of releasing a brand new camera, with an improved sensor, it's just a software update of the OM1, and the OM1 was just a software upgrade of the OMD1mkIII from 2021 ! a few gimmicks added but basically the same camera in a new body.
Out of Olympus, they released a rebranded Sigma lens 150-600mm, it's don't have the "olympus look" but looks more like the normal Sigma lens with an EF-M43 adapter glued on it, a 9-18mm mkII exactly the same as the mkI still with the f*** lock button, and now this OM1mkII that is just a OM1mkI with more RAM and a new software, at the highest possible price tag, nothing really exciting .
I'm more and more afraid they'll do what they did with Vaio, sell all that was already made or projected by Olympus, let the brand die when done and finally sell the name to become a generic brand for mugs, t-shirts and low cost items such as USB keys or bluetooth speakers.
OM-1 got a new sensor when it was released. This new has the same sensor. I do not see that a real problem. 20Mpix is quite enough for most cases. I would take Live GND or a 26Mpix sensor. LiveGND is much more useful.
The price point of the new body and zoom lens is nearly £5k thats FF territory.
That's nearly medium format territory ... OM system is not realistic in terms of price, especially in front of Panasonic with better resolution at lower price with a far more better reputation than OM system has (because it's a new company). Plus Panasonic works with Leica for its lenses.
Micro Four thirds strong point over the full frame is wildlife and birding. The smaller, super sharp lenses make it easier to toss gear in a pack and hike, or for older people to keep shooting. The smaller sensor in the micro four thirds will have better IBIS. I still have my R5 and big glass for the wildlife and birding focus but after the OM1, OM1-ii, and G9ii. I am looking at selling my Canon. I am okay with a G9ii or the GH6ii (when that comes out) for video and an OM-1 for light video and stills. A perfect setup of creators, most use video cameras and still cameras anyway, and with Panasonic and OM Systems, they can share classes. Panasonic will likely win in the video (it even handily beets my Canon R5), and OM Systems is the perfect still camera with good enough footage. I think it was smart for OM Systems to build up their strengths (stills and light video) to be competitive or better and then add some video or even cede high-end video to Panasonic. The OM 1 addressed focus for birding and wildlife, and the OM1 ii adds the hardware computational and memory beef (maybe just memory they have not confirmed computational capabilities) and autofocus for portrait folks.
Good points. It is the new bigger and more efficient memory chip that makes the upgrade possible.
Just a shame they don't make a full-frame version!
FF is no holy grail. Different size sensors has their advantages each. Besides most people cannot make difference when they see an image made with iPhone or a medium format camera.
I don’t mind the OM-1 MKII is a bit of a warm up refresh. What I am concerned is zero attention to the rest of the line -Pen and OM-5.
Now, since they have pivoted 200% to outdoor/wildlife at this point I am not sure the Pen line carries on. OM Systems simply doens’t have the resources people think they have.
To be honest, this is starting to look a bit too close to how 4/3rds went down. I think OM Systems at best will be a new Pentax (nothing super wrong with that, you still get repairs/support). But if the birding market is not that big, I think this isn’t heir way to oblivion.
Panasonic already has a foot in the exit door.
OM SYSTEM has picked its road and it is the outdoors, wildlife etc. I think it is a wise move to concentrate on a niche genre. Being one of the or the best on that niche can be profitable. I have always said this. Would I liked to have a Pen-F Mark II with OM-1 mark II AF, yes. If hat was paired with a high quality 20mm pancake. I would consider switching from Ricoh GR3x to that combo. Are they going to go that road also, I do not thin they will.
@@ForsgardPeter I sort of also thought about that and I see your point. But this basically means m43rds is not what was originally proposed and they will sure also lose customers outside of the market.
It also remains to be seen how profitable that niche is. Also OM Systems does not have the resources people think they do - they are really operating with a rather thin budget.
So in a way, it’s understandable.. wildlife is where the size difference still applies. But it still strikes me as a strategy of going to the top of your house to avoid the tsunami waters rather than build a new house where the tsunamis can’t reach.
What would be imho, doing such? Do small pro, pro cameras that are smaller. Like say, EM5MKII body class tops in size, pack all you can, and pay attention to things like re-releasing the smaller primes in weather sealed form.
I don’t think the competition can touch that. You can see Nikon released a new zoom lens for their Z mount that while not exactly as small as the m43rds one, it’s still much smaller so they are going after that wildlife market with it too.
But anyhow, I think we can see how OM Systems products will lose a lot of appeal to those of us that went into m43rds not for wildlife/birding.
Thanks for reading and your reply.
You have many good points here. I totally agree that consentarting on wildlife will hurt other genres. It is of course good for many other genres, but the reputation.
Peter, as always, you are completely honest. But something jumps on my mind. You are now a Fuji customer for videos (fully understandable), and (still?) an OM/Olympus defender for still photography. Then, why don't you stick also with your regular, serious, much appreciated reviews about OM/Olympus and M4/3 issues, gear, and innovations. And, frankly, is there any lens collection better and larger, and lighter, and cheaper than the M4/3 line? This is quite an achievement, and I am sure you will agree with me on that. Please stay with us, the M4/3 fans.
I defend any good gear. I just was using Olympus for so long that I think I still have something to say about it. Unfortunately, at the moment OM SYSTEM does not have the gear for me that I need. I am not a outdoor and wildlife photographer. I am using Ricoh GR3x as my street photography camera. That is something I will do more and more. Fuji is for my video work. I very seldom do professional photography gigs. At the moment I am very happy what I have.
If OM SYSTEM comes up with a let's say, Pen-F Mark II, I will look that very closely.
@@ForsgardPeter Thank you very much for your answer.
I wouldn't worry about OM-2 being very minor update, because why not, especially if OM-1 will be discounted. Though, I hope they will release firmware update for OM1 to introduce human detection, at least.
However, I can't agree that using rebranded Sigma lens is good. On the contrary, this is exactly what could support statements about OM System stopping to develop. For sure FF lens has more glass and dimensions than needed for MFT with same focals. OK, maybe it has not the darkest apertures. But anyways, where is the original phylosophy ? Well if they will outsource new products for double price and exploit legacy products and their fan base, then sooner or later people will move to smth bigger and heavier, but with better IQ, resolution, prices, sustainability.
This 150-600mm lens is an upgraded version of the Sigma lens.M.Zuiko version seems to be better weather sealed. Yes, I agree that the price is quite heavy.
@@ForsgardPeter Well, IPX1 is minimal sealig rating, for sure it is better than nothing at all.
A couple of comments.
5:38 Peter you are spot on about OM System's strategy of maximizing margin on revenue. That is EXACTLY what we are seeing.
OM System is too small a company now, they don't have the resources to design and develop many new products in parallel anymore. Instead, we are seeing one or two hero products each year, like the OM1, now the OM1II, the 150-400, the new macro lens. The rest of the lineup is recycled older products with R&D expenses already covered, like the OM5 which essentially was a slightly crippled E-M1III in an inferior quality body. Or the re-issue of the 9-18mm - I found that interesting though, the retail price is USD700. The original 9-18mm also retailed for USD700, so one could argue that the new lens is actually cheaper when accounting for inflation. However, since there was probably hardly any R&D involved in re-issuing this lens, OM System will have a much higher margin on the new lens. The original lens will probably have the same glass formula, possibly even the same auto-focus motor - I suspect the new lens is just a cosmetic re-issue with the new design language for the housing - so getting that old version used might still be a great option. I got mine for a steal on Ebay. The one design flaw with the original design is a ribbon cable inside the lens that breaks when extending the lens from its locked position too many times. I hope they fixed that.
As to that Sigma lens. Ridiculous. I have no issue with the concept of taking a Sigma lens design and adapting it to Micro Four Thirds. I bought and still own the Olympus 100-400, which is also based on a Sigma lens. It's ridiculous though to take a full frame design which is TWICE as large as it would need to be and then charge TWICE the amount of money for it, when the same lens with a different mount costs HALF the price on other systems. This reeks of desperation.
Regarding the image quality with the MC20 attached: that is a moot argument. Getting into that focal length range and subject distance with that magnification, atmospheric effects will be the much bigger factor in image quality and that will be completely out of control for the photographer or the lens. If you take an image at 1200mm with a 2x crop factor for magnification, the lens and tele-converter play a very small role for image detail, contrast and sharpness. Weather, air quality, humidity etc. have a much greater effect at that point.
As for the OM1II - nice camera. But I'll stick with my E-M1III thank you very much. It does everything I need and the image quality is essentially identical to the OM1 and OM1II. USD2,400, plus tax, plus new accessories like batteries, grip, charger add up to too much for what would be a very minor incremental upgrade for how I use that camera system.
The brand name OM System is not a very strong brand name by the way. It's a poor choice. It should have been just "OM". "System" in a brand name? Really? Personally, I do not think OM System will last very long. They are being crunched, being stuck in between a hard place and a rock. They are forced to go with a high margin product strategy - that means either premium products for a premium price or products with no or low R&D sold with a high margin. The OM1II clearly is marketed as a premium product. But how large is the market of photographers willing to spend USD2,400 for a Micro Four Thirds body and lenses which are also very expensive now, when they can buy into Canon RF mount, or Nikon Z mount at comparative cost for the same use cases? And selling a Sigma lens for twice the price other systems are charging for the same lens is a move that consumers will take notice of. I think it would have been better if Ricoh had bought Olympus instead of JIP.
Good points here. About the price and comparising with other brands. OM-1 Mark II is a great camera for the target customer OMDS is targeting. One of the best at its class. Similar cameras from other cost a lot more. This camera should be compared to Canon R3, Sony A9 cameras. If we are only looking at the sensor size, yes you can get a FF camera with less money. It won't have the same features and is certainly not that good for what OM-1 is meant for.
@@ForsgardPeter Wishful thinking, Peter. Nobody in the market for a wildlife setup in the budget range of the OM1 will compare the OM1(II) to a R3 or A9. The OM1 needs to compete against the Canon R6II or other cameras in that price range and spec range for non-professional consumers. Amateur consumers make purchases primarily by budget, not by comparing spec sheets. Professionals don't care that much about price, they want the best image quality and utility to get their shots - when professionals compare the OM1(II) against the R3 or A9, they will buy (or rent) the R3 or A9, not the OM1 because money is not an issue for a professional, but the much better image quality, especially in low light makes this an easy decision for them as image quality is more important than cost. Professionals will pass on cost to their clients at the end of the day. A consumer cannot. And adding insult to injury, the size and weight advantage of Micro Four Thirds is evaporating too - the G9II is no smaller or lighter than the S5II for example, that OM System Sigma lens is actually heavier(!!) than the same lens for full frame! Why?!
The way to look at the MFT format now: it's a niche system for few niche use cases that have little to do with the original value proposition of MFT: being great value, small, compact and portable with comparable quality to larger systems. That value proposition went completely out of the window. Now, the MFT value proposition is specialized niches at a premium price point, e.g., Panasonic going after video (even that seems to be a second class citizen at Panasonic now that they do L Alliance), Olympus going after macro and wildlife, focusing almost ALL of their marketing effort there - you know Peter, because OM System no longer has a place for photographers like you, or Joe Edelman in their brand ambassador ecosystem. The problem with picking these niches: Olympus is putting all their eggs into one basket, and it's a VERY competitive basket with competition that will execute innovative research and product development at a much faster pace than the tiny OM System company will ever be able to. Take IBIS - I don't think Olympus is an innovation leader in that technology anymore - I did buy the Nikon Zf and the IBIS in that camera with a sensor almost four times as large as MFT is pretty much on par with my E-M1III, and Nikon innovated with allowing the sensor to pivot its IBIS to exactly where the focus point for the exposure has been set in the frame - we are seeing innovation in that space from everyone and any advantage OM System has now is due to sensor size, not technical innovation. The same challenge will haunt them across the board.
It is not wishful thinking. The specs of R3, A) and also the Z9 form Nikon are similar cameras what it comes to specs. All those three are most likely better cameras than OM-1 Mark II, but cost a lot more. If we look at the specs, R6II does come close, but it is 700€ more expensive than OM-1 Mark II, at least here in Finland. I would say that the Om-1 Mark II is one of the best choices for a bird and wildlife photographers right now.
I agree that the size advantages has gone. FF cameras are the same size nowadays. The Zf's IBIS is clever technology. In order to survibe OM SYSTEM needs to innovate and Live GND is a good example. They have been or Olympus rather, the pioneers of computational photography features. They need to continue that in order to keep in business.
@@ForsgardPeter "I would say that the Om-1 Mark II is one of the best choices for a bird and wildlife photographers right now."
He was one example. I know photographers that has gone to the other direction. I have also heard that OM-1 and the 150-400mm lens has brought OM SYSTEM new users. It goes both ways.
The good thing is that there is equippement for every need. Every system has its ups and downs.
G'day mate ; sorry I haven't watch the video and the below was originally written today for another channel.
I bought my first Oly because it was small/compact/light after a life time of big heavy film and digital full frame stuff . That first Oly was the Em1 ; the best camera I have used (50 years of carrying cameras) . Wish I had that in my wedding photography days!
Then I "upgraded" to the Em1 mark 2 :( . Yeah Ok , it's bloody good but the em1 is still the best to used . Only downside is the lack of the swivel screen for my low down camera angles.
The OM-1 did nothing me . Nothing new that I needed or even wanted .
I can only hope I can keep the 2 x Em1 bodies (both need servicing ; if that it is possible) and the 1 x Em1 mk 2 going until I have no use for them as I have no intention of buying a more modern Olympus camera . I just don't need any more bells , whistles in a bigger package . Strange how my first "pro" camera bought back the 1980s is still doing what it has also done and no battery required . That was a fully manual Nikon Fm2 .
Photography has not really changed ; it's still using light and shadows to record a subject with the right compensation , and no new camera can actually improve those skills
Cheers Peter
The last sentence was brilliant.
The new body is underwhelming, no question about it. The lens announcements are OK, I guess. The graduated ND is a nice touch, but you definitely need more to attract buyers. The last Tough release and now this are not a great showcase of creativity and innovation. I hope this changes soon, especially since this is the same company that pioneered computational photography in dedicated ILCs. Meanwhile, I'm sticking with my OM-D EM5 Mark III and OM-D E-M1X.
LiveGND is being a pioneer in computational features. I hope there are more to come.
@@ForsgardPeter I hope so too!
At the present price of 2,700USD 150-600 + 2400 OM1, I can get a 200-800 (1800USD new) and either an R5 (3300USD new) or save money and grab an R6mkii (2100USD new). Heck, with the R5, the 45MP would give me a respectable 11MP in the M43 size crop area (45MP/4) at the same price as OM gear. At the present price point, I will go with Canon and their far superior autofocus PLUS all the benefits of full frame. If OM had priced this lens at 1700, I would strongly consider OM systems.
Don't know about the lenses, but for the mkII price you can have a rocket fast Fuji APSC X-H2s with huge video features and the advantage of a bigger sensor.
The market is not shrinking . 2023 was the third consecutive year of growth for the interchangeable lens cameras market in numbers and turnover. The lens market is performing even better.
What about the price of the 150/600 compare to its Sigma branded version ?
No information about the content of the « upgrade » of the 9/18 ?
Yes, you are right. The amount of cameras that are sold is smaller, but the value is growing > camera manufacturers makes a better profit per camera. maybe OM SYSTEM has calulated taht they can make more money with that Sigma with that price vs. selling them more on a cheaper price?
I have the new 9-18mm lens for testing and it is the exact same lens than the previous version except the look.
04:57, sigma copy but isn`t it heavier than full frame equivalent and it costs 3x as much as the sigma ? Cant really figure out what is "wise" about that.....
Not sure why the price is what it is. Where do you get the 3x difference. The Canon version is a different lens. That is around 1100€. The Sony E-mount version seems to be very close. The price difference is big but not 3x. Sony E-version is about 1500€ and the M.Zuiko version is right now 2700€. The difference is 1,8x. It is big but even close to 3x.
The wise thing here is the fact that OM SYSTEM saves a lot in R&D. That alone is a wise thing if there is a lack of money in that department or they are concentrating on something else. If they can make a sustainable profit with that lens, it is a wise move. Time will tell if that was agood move or not.
@@ForsgardPeteris the 150-200mm actually a Sigma copy? I looked at that lens and the internal elements are different, it doesn’t look like just a mount change, also the new lens appears to be weather rated.
OM have some difficult choices. They have great brand loyalty among older photographers and wildlife shooters who appreciate the lighter weight. Is that market big enough to sustain R&D, or will OM go the way of Pentax as a neo-retro brand? If they go for the vlogger market, they'll be judged against Sony, Panasonic and action cameras, and their customer base might complain OM are no longer a stills oriented brand. I would like to see a m43 manufacturer come out with a small, high quality pocket camera with the latest tech and no, I don't think it will happen.
Good points.
I STILL would like to see an OM-System upgrade to the Olympus EM-10 Mk iV
It is interesting if they do. It is a hard market segment. What would they have to offer. Maybe OM SYSTEM comes up with something.
@@ForsgardPeterall they have to do is put live nd in it and handheld high res mode it would be soooo powerful for a tiny camera
@@ForsgardPeter I see it as low profit margin, but high demand (unless they're figuring it would compete with the OM-5.
It could work with those features. Would it be enough? Maybe.
Hi Peter, interesting thoughts.
- the new Sigma Lens: First of all, this lens is to big IMO. If I want this lens, I would by it as ff lens. Second I wondering for what reason I need 2400mm equivalent angle with the 2 times converter? Even the 1.4 with a 1680mm equivalent angle makes not that much sense. The diffraction blur then determines the image quality at the given aperture of f/12.6. The given f/6.3 is already on the boarder of diffraction blur by the MFT system. The sharpness will decrease physically at higher aperture. Furthermore you will decrease the quality even more by the atmospheric disturbances. You probably won't get the results you expect from this narrow angle of view. The lens would be nice, if it were calculated for the image circle of mft and therefore significantly smaller and lighter. The ability to use the converter is not a reason to buy for me personally. If you want nice and sharp photos you just have to get closer to the subject.
- the new wide angel lens: nice lens IMO worth to buy as a small and light landscape lens.
- the OM1 II: I will properly buy one. The increased power of the af compared to my E-M1 III is the main reason for me. The GND filter is nice to have, for me personal it’s easier to adjust my pictures in poste. If I don't have enough dynamic range, exposure bracketing or HDR helps. A look at the histogram is enough to see this. But having is better than needing 😉
Regards Alex
I totally agree with you.
When I am correct you can film now VERTICAL with the OM-1 markII
That is a good improvement. Thanks for pointing that out.
Doesn't the OM-5 shoot vertical video?
Let me see what OM system done , firmware upgrade, a silver lens mount ring in stead of black one and a few rebrand stickers for an exotic prices.
and added Live GND, more powerful and bigger memory, new IBIS, and some more. Some of the stuff would be possible to do with firmware update. I think Petapixel made a pretty good review were this "is it only firmware" things was covered well.
@@ForsgardPeter What ever they done it is certainly not worth €2300.
For some it might be. Have you tested the camera? I agree taht it seems to be on the pricey side. On the other hand, it is much cheaper than Canon R3 and Sony A9 cameras. Those are the straight competitors.
@@ForsgardPeter I had it for an hour or so from the Olympus representative another day in the shop. As mentioned nothing new and there is nothing to compare to camera’s you mentioned. The good point if compare is Panasonic G9, which is to me more round up camera. If I would have to start from scratch with same money it would be Nikon Zf but everyone needs are different
Look at the features of R3 and A9. Both cameras are for the same purpose as OM-1. Much more expensive. G9 is also close to that same category, but not as good for what OM-1 meant for. G9II is close if not equal.
PEN-F Mark II will pump OM Systems with a lot of $$$$$, if weather sealed and other desired minor upgrades
That is hard to say if it would. Fuji has two rangefinder style cameras that has not been upgarded for a long time. What I have heard those do not sell very well. We also have to remember that Fuji is big in street photography. Those rangefinder style cameras are great for street photography, especially E-X4.
I agree with you. Video is becoming more and more important.
The irony is that if my memory serves me well, JIP/OMDS stated in the early days their intent on focusing more on the video marke!
Yes, they did say that. Was it official or just someone in side OMDS, not sure.
The new lens is, from my research an m43ds Sigma Sport, in NZ dollars the Sigma standard sport version retails for $1600, the OM one is going to cost in the vicinity of $4270 ! why ? this is not good from OM Systems from my perspective. I would love to be able to afford the 150-400 F4 Pro and that is a magic lens but it would mean selling a couple of Kidneys ! That won't happen !. The new Camera sounds great but its not worth the dollars to upgrade for me. Cheers from NZ
„I‘m not here to make fun of this release”
It’s kinda telling what’s in the back of your mind when you start the video off like that.
That is not what I said. If you quote please quote correctly. I said that I did not want to make this video, but I got so many questions.
@@ForsgardPeter “And if you are here to listen to me, to mock OM system”
That’s what you said at around 01:07
I mean, fair enough, I didn’t quote you correctly, but I didn’t change what you said that drastically. I was going off memory.