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- No samples needed for this tutorial; the Octatrack can act as a rather fascinating synthesizer as long as you know how to get your hands on plenty of extra gain.
0:50 white noise generation
2:25 white noise amplitude envelope
3:06 filter pings
3:30 comb filter pings
4:31 excitation shaping
5:43 impulse modulation
7:16 noise shaping
8:26 chorus
9:40 additional triggers
11:36 additional comb filter
12:57 white noise waveform display
13:37 chorus modulation
14:17 comb filter detune modulation
15:04 distortion on excitation filter
16:00 different track lengths
16:47 re-sampling source
17:59 audio editor display quirk
19:11 panning modulation
20:08 lo-fi FX for re-sampling channel
21:04 excitation filter modulation
22:01 disabling excitation filter distortion
22:18 cue bus attenuation
22:55 mix change-up
23:45 re-sampling channel filter modulation
24:31 flanger on re-sampling channel
25:05 reducing comb feedback
26:22 closing remarks
note: sending a short burst of white noise into a tuned delay line with high feedback (i.e. a comb filter) is also often known as 'karplus-strong synthesis' and is frequently used to simulate bowed or plucked string sounds, such as guitar and violin
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the tip about the dark reverb shelving freq is effected even at 0 gain just finally opened up me getting good reverds out of the OT.... Thanks!
my pleasure!! I am going to pin your comment because this really deserves more attention - it was a significant turning point in my relationship with the Dark Reverb when I had that revelation!
@@maxmarco add the time too please
?t=538
It's around 9:02
No one has ever blown my mind in such a chilled out manner before.
I followed along on my OT MKII and I would consider this one video on par with college courses i took on audio engineering. I learned synthesis, i learned signal path....it was really one of my more productive nights on the Octatrack. Thank you, sir... a wonderful experience.
I hope you are well and look forward to more videos from you soon. I will also be going back through and following along with my machine on other videos.
thank you again.
Just can’t believe my ears.. incredibly beautiful sounds! I think I was holding my breath for 20 minutes. Thank you so much for sharing this treasure
wow!! thank you :) :) :) glad you enjoyed!
Insane level of OT witchcraft. truly inspiring, thank you so much for pushing the limits of OT - please keep them coming!
thank you! will do :)
Octatrack Level: Jedi
I am greatly honored by your high esteem! 🙇 🙇 🙇
Just got my OT and this is a goldmine of interesting techniques - thanks so much!
This is so dope - Thanks for sharing!
Very interesting! Must try this.
The first thing I did when I got mine was recording silence and then normalizing that. This gives you a similar noise source for synthesis.
thank you! I have plenty of white noise samples I could have used - I quite like the extra variation introduced by the continuous re-sampling though (and makes for a more interesting video). Also, for 'real' noise you would definitely want to use a thru machine and not a sample - my scenario is kind of in-between
I don’t even want to know what you could do with FM and something like kernels on the Waldorf Iridium or Yamaha SY77, I mean it in the best way possible. You are sick, mentally gifted, not only your accurate knowledge but the way you dissect your thoughts. You should apply at the decoding challenge/response agency. … l.l .
Fucking brilliant 😍...sampling the noise floor. Going to start waving florescent lights and power tools around the power chord now...
This is a mind blowing demonstration, made all the more astounding by your nonchalant delivery.
The pursuit of nothing in particular makes for a great watch !
Not to mention a wealth of information
thanks a lot!! I always prefer to focus primarily on process, and view results mainly as a byproduct
i was about to give thumbs up but I stopped myself cos there is 909 already, i could not live myself doing that, but hey, that was a wicked video 👍🏼
Another great tutorial. I always learn something new and inspiring from your videos. Thank you.
hey dude good to see you back! thanks much!!
man this is amazing! U made me love this instrument
You can turn this box into a synthesizer early, I love it! 💯
and this is just a small slice of the possibilities! in my mind the only thing it's missing to be an extremely satisfying synth is key-tracking for the filter
@@maxmarco I totally understand you. But still that box bad! Does it have a deep mod matrix by chance?
Octatrack is pretty crazy for modulation - 3 LFOs per audio track, 3 LFOs per MIDI track for 48 total LFOs - doesn't quite have a fully abstracted mod matrix but is very flexible and incredibly powerful - it's a bit hard to describe all of what's possible, especially once you factor in some of the more advanced techniques I have covered on my channel such as MIDI loopback, which gives you pretty crazy modulation possibilities (but requires some solid knowledge to excecute ofc)
talk about learning something today..
i have one OT and after i watched this, i am feeling monkey on an electronic device and typing randomly to the buttons:(
You're awesome dude :) quality content right here
this vid is a door of perception to the OT ...
The force is strong with this one.
You saved me from selling my octa.
Dude. You are a genius.
thanks man!! nothing groundbreaking or original here in terms of techniques, but I'll take credit for the presentation :D
Somebody should share this with the guys over at Elektron
I am dreaming about seeing your synthesis skills on a Dave smith instrument tempest which is a monster in synthesis ! Anyway , I still do not understand why the electron company do not propose a job for you ...
At 18,11 min , Could you explain again
what you are saying about the recording buffer system ?
Elektron probably can't afford me :) Dave Smith gear sounds great, actually used to have a Tetr4 a long time ago. Re: the record buffer display quirk I'm talking about at 18:11 I made a video specifically on that topic that should be helpful - th-cam.com/video/SzkwTPRCZHw/w-d-xo.html
Knobs would be proud. Thank you for this awsome video.
thanks a lot!! really appreciate the positive feedback :) :) :)
Ghost Synthesis. Amazing.
Jesus christ man, you are too much.
Awesome stuff, making great sounds out of the noise floor!
i learn so many little tips from these videos it's incredible. no one else covers this kind of sound design on this machine. you are a hero. also that comb filtered noise sounds like Arthur Russel's Cello. I wonder if there is a karplus-strong element to it, maybe since you added delay or if the comb filter just does that on it's own.
anyway, thank you for your service
this particular application of a comb filter is essentially identical to Karplus-Strong synthesis - Arthur Russell's heavy use of processing/FX definitely brings his sound closer to these electronic emulations. It's also quite likely he used a variety of similar techniques that would create similar tones - high feedback with a flanger, phaser, chorus, frequency shifter, and a bunch of other time-based FX and using a harmonically rich input signal will tend to generate broadly similar sounds
@@maxmarco thanks for the response. are you aware of any hardware tools that provide that sort of processing? particularly Frequency Shifting? or any that you use yourself? i find most of those very useful in ableton, especially ableton's stock effects when manipulating my field recorded material to bring out new more alien textures from organic sources but i would like to be able to do it without plugins if possible. I just got the T Resonator, which might cover a lot of this. I had the mutable warps in the psat, which was great for creative vocoding/ring mod/cross mod/fm/bitcrushing, but i prefer non-euro stuff. one thing i never really found was a frequency shifter. there's gotta be at least a guitar pedal that does it well
i also had no idea that russell used a lot of effects. that makes sense though. thank you again for the insight
That is so impressive ! ❤
wow, there's a man who RTFM the shit out of it!! Subbed! Very powerful machine.
thank you!! I have to admit that the octatrack manual has often been a significant font of my water closet literature... but it only takes you so far :D
@@maxmarco well, either way cool technique!
Far fucking out man!
Is it possible to make it polyphonic with 3 machines having the trigs playing at the same time with different notes for example
depends on what you expect to be able to do; the Octatrack provides eight stereo sample playback channels - this video demonstrates an approach where voices are sacrificed to add complexity
Thank u for sharing your knowledge!
Thanks a lot ...👾
cool! Thanks.
biiiiig wows here!
Great video
“Something from nothing” or “everything from nothing” ;)...... amazing.
fucking amazing! Well done sir.
thank you! there are a lot of possibilities for synthesis on the Octatrack, but it's not always quite in the way you'd expect :D
Beautifully executed!!! Thanks for sharing!
thank you, and thanks for watching!
fantastic
Octaguru
amazing stuff! thanks for that... it's cool to see what's possible with the OT!
thank you! it's a challenging but very rewarding device!
smirks and laughter. haha. i am sure i know only 1 percent of the OT.
Speechless :) what a tremendous and creative technique!
Makes sense you are coming from the modular world before jumping into elektron isn't it? ;)
This is the most fun I've ever had with my Octatrack. Another step forward with it! Thanks!
Somehow, this is the first thing I have ever attempted on the octatrack. From failing to follow cuckoo's tutuorial to searching reddit for beginner tutorials I found your channel then somehow ended up here and through sheer determination to follow your steps I have learnt more about the OT and the way it works than I have before haha thank you
Same here
Ditto
If you have a flex track and select a record buffer, does that track hear and allow thru audio of the incoming signals that are also going through the thru channels?
This is the best thing I've ever seen on utube....almost speechless...
Goodness, this is some extremely evolved and beautiful sounding stuff. The Octatrack seems limitless...
by FAR the most creative videos on the OT i've seen. salute!
Now I have an OT (again), so I have been able to try this out. Fantastic.
Wow...really enjoying the OT content. I have not touched my OT in awhile and this is inspiring me to start again!
I need to leave work immediately and try this !
hah! I assume no responsibility for your decisions! :D
Thank you for posting this! in your hands the octatrack becoes a pandora's box, really inspiring!
Creative sound design at its best. Superb video!!!
thank you! that bass sound pack you did for Rytm sounds ace btw!!
@@maxmarco You are way too kind. Those sounds practically made themselves. The DualVCO is absolutely fantastic for bass sounds. But beware... I might adopt your techniques for future sound packs... lots of inspiration came from this video!
that's awesome to hear!! have at it!! 👍👍👍
I gotta say, yours are the rare tutorials I revisit and actually learn new things. Hope you have a wonder holiday season!
When I put a loop on a flex track and have the 1st trig selected, I set per track length but the loop keeps starting over after 1 bar, what setting am I forgetting? If you had 4 module to buy for a EUR case starter, what would they be?
Tnaks man!
my guess is you are probably neglecting to adjust the master pattern length. if I was starting my euro from scratch right now I'd just be on the lookout for good used deals, there are lots of great modules out there
Hey man! Where can I find this Track? I could not find it on your bandcamp!
glad you like it! I did re-use some of this audio to generate background music on at least one other video but I haven't made a 'proper' track out of these ideas yet
another great one. keep them coming
thanks a lot man!! always much appreciated when you make an appearance! :D
Dude do you have any of this music in song or album form? It's like Kevin Shields and his orchestra of sad robots, I dig it a lot
thank you! good chance I'll release some 'proper' material like this eventually but I don't try to make anything in particular most of the time, what comes out mostly just depends on how I'm feeling at the time, for better or worse :D
What videos would you recommend of yours for someone who just opened the box?
most of my videos aren't really aimed at brand-new users, but I have done a couple 'important basics' videos - th-cam.com/video/wAhNRKDNEfQ/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/0EKMXrzIAT8/w-d-xo.html - I would also say that this comb filter video and the 'filter ping percussion' video could be followed along with by more ambitious new users - th-cam.com/video/wiIOGJuxl4Q/w-d-xo.html - and the 'production sessions' videos might also be helpful - th-cam.com/play/PLwc8ITzX9he5Wj8zmRrEWRYKRIg8rfucE.html - just focus on simple stuff and having fun, don't worry too much about learning a bunch of stuff at once, it takes time for things to sink in
Nice, thanks for adding the academic paper in the reference!
This is some classic Karplus-Strong Synthesis :)
lot of cool things in that paper! it most definitely is very classic stuff! one thing I'd like to do with my channel is show how a lot of these very important and useful techniques are sometimes rather ancient - adding excessive gain to an unconnected input to produce audible noise is as old as the practice of electronic music itself, and I view the OT very much like digital tape
Woah! Great use of the Octatrack!
thank you! just scratching the surface of comb filters here!
Im so impressed your knowledge of this machine is amazing... congratulations and thanks for sharing
thank you! even after some years with it I find the Octatrack has an uncanny ability to remind me of all the things I don't know about it :D
Finally got the chance to sit down and watch this. Coincidentally I've been starting to touch on similar no-input -> comb filter synthesis in my own work on the OT recently. You've taken it to another level though, this is really impressive. Great work! And thanks for sharing your knowledge.
thanks a lot!! essentially everything I do on OT or MDUW is just a translation or extension of techniques and concepts I have already explored quite a bit with my modular setups, and I bought OT primarily to use as a 'super-module' paired with my main eurorack - have been meditating a bit recently on what I want the next configuration of that system to look like :D
@@maxmarco Ahh! I've gone the opposite way recently-I just started a small Eurorack setup (with Elements as my first module, as an extension of what I've been doing with the comb filter) with the intention of making a small instrument that I can control from the OT :D
I'm guessing the Eurorack experience will get me even more into the idea of using my Elektron gear in a modular mindset, and vice versa.
Is there a track with music made with these techniques available somewhere?
the only track I've released so far (in a very different style) that uses only noise and filter resonance/feedback for all of the sound design is 'Abrasions' - th-cam.com/video/_Jdu0Hwr0lE/w-d-xo.html - although I have used these types of comb filter techniques in some way or another in almost all of the solo Octatrack productions I've published so far, often quite heavily; it's much easier for me to name the OT compositions I've published where I (probably) haven't used the comb filter :D
What's the advantage of keeping the original FLEX track recording, instead of just getting the initial sample and going from there?
a sample of noise is a static thing and isn't 'true' noise - to get true noise you would want to use a thru machine (or a very particular setup of a flex machine that was not covered in this video) - a continuously refreshing sample of 'real' noise that is always re-triggered from the beginning is somewhere in between, and introduces an interesting type of variation which I remark on a bit in the narration
to elaborate further, probably the most convenient way on the Octatrack to produce a sample of noise is to record the inputs and then normalize the recording
how did you find the info about the comb filter?are you a sound engineering?or studing the field
I Googled 'comb filter synthesis' and that PDF had a sweet title :D
I have no idea what I have been watching just now, but it sounded great. Thanks for that!
haha! my pleasure, thank you for watching! :) :) :)
This is insane. I’ve seen the comb filter on white noise trick used for physical modeling but I never knew you could take it this far.
this is just scratching the surface, so much I left out of this video, which is actually a fairly basic use-case! hah! :D
You have achieved full simulation with the Octatrack.
hah! Elektron is kind of like the Borg, although some people seem to be able to resist :D
Really really love your Octatrak videos, please keep them coming!!
thanks so much! trying to keep up a semi-consistent production schedule 👍👍
The best video on the octatrack ever even from you sir! How did you connect the inputs?? Input AB to CD or Cue outs to the ins?? Thanks anyway!
wow! thanks a lot!!! nothing connected to inputs at all, just excessive gain to raise the noise floor of the inputs to audible levels
@@maxmarco Ahh I see now! Cheers!
This is a fantastic tutorial and demonstrates advanced knowledge of the octatrack! thanks for sharing!
thank you! tons of other things to try with this approach that simply could not be addressed in this video!
Great Technique
this is what I have been waiting for ... such a good tutorial a master let us look over the shoulder
thank you!! 🙇🙇🙇 always more to learn about this machine!
this is real audiobook
Something unreal. Thank you for this video.
thanks for watching! :D
The master at work
hah, thank you! I can't take too much credit - octatrack is really the star of the show here :D
Really impressive! Thank you for sharing!
thank you! tons of things to do with this magic box!
This is amazeballs
Synth Lord
You rock man!!!
does this work with the headphone out? i was doing it step by step like you did but it doesnt seem to work... any tips?
the headphone output of Octatrack simply outputs the main, the cue, or a mix of both - it really doesn't have anything to do with this technique, unless maybe by accident you are monitoring the cue and not the main, and once you set up re-sampling from the cue like I do in the later portion of this video you'd probably want to set the headphone mix to be only the main output so you don't hear the cued tracks mixed in
max marco I tried doing everything you did step by step. I’ll have to try again but just do the main outputs and if by chance it does work on headphones I’ll put it just on main out. I got an Octatrack mainly because of your videos and my music making needs you’re so educated on this instrument and it really inspired me. If for some reason it doesn’t work again could we have a 1-on-1 and you could help me out?
Sorry, I can't afford to offer pro-bono lessons or consultations, particularly as that time is best spent making videos that can benefit potentially thousands of people at once. Generally speaking most new users are making very simple/subtle mistakes and it can often take quite some time to figure that out. Sometime in the next month or so I will be officially launching my Patreon - www.patreon.com/maxmarco (as you can see, it is already 'soft-launched') - where I am offering a couple slots for once-per-month 1-hour 1-on-1 lessons/consultations, and currently the 'carry-out' patronage tier (sample packs and project files) actually grants access to the Octatrack project file that I ended up with at the end of filming this video. I will be publishing lots more sample packs, Octatrack project files, and other related goodies to my Patreon over time
@@maxmarco then ill have no choice but to support you! thanks so much
brilliant
genius!
there's a mysteron in the OT??
Makenoise Mysteron is a digital waveguide algorithm and is far more complex on many levels although my impression is that it almost certainly using one or more tuned digital delay lines (i.e. comb filters) - the Octatrack simply gives direct access to tuned comb filtering in its most basic form
Legend
Yet again a masterclass off you
thank you!! No illusions of mastery here - I am a student as well! :)
best video on 8T!
thank you! :) :) :)
are you a wizard?
unfortunately I lack the beard credentials :D
Fabulous!!!!!!!!!!!!
thank you!
Impressive !
thanks a lot!! Octatrack is a great machine to work with!
Insane outcome!
thank you!! super fun technique!
@@maxmarco Will definitely try this one when I have some time with my Octa :) thanks!
amazing!
thank you! Octatrack was a device designed to bring joy and not frustration :) :) :)
@@maxmarco I agree on that!
So good. Thanks for showing us how to get so much out of this machine!
thank you!