I hit the jackpot last March when I had a hose blow and called local Kubota dealer to get a replacement, and was informed they no longer made hoses, so I had to go to local hydraulic shop to get it. On the way there, it hit me to call Kubota back and ask what they did with their equipment. They told me it was all still sitting there, but he thought they were going to keep it to make their own hoses. Anyways, he offered to ask his supervisor what their plan was and then call me back. He called me back and said he was told to sell it all. I made him an offer, he ran it past his boss, and they accepted it. I was PUMPED! I got a Parker hydraulic crimping machine, all the dies, over 400 hose fittings AND a few hundred feet of 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2 hose combined for.......(I hope you're sitting down)............$1100. All total, once I ID'd everything and priced it out, I had over $5000 in equipment and supplies. Once I inventoried all the fittings, I kept what I would need and listed all the rest on Marketplace, and sold them for $600. So, my whole set-up cost me $500, and in just 9 months have made 7 hoses, which would have cost me approx $850 to buy. Machine has paid for itself in less than a year, and I still have a big inventory of fittings left. The biggest bonus, by FAR, is that I'm so remote, it would kill an entire day....sometimes 1.5 days to get a hose replaced, now it's done in about 30 minutes. WIN!
You do know if you make a hydraulic hose that ends up blowing out and hurting someone then it’s your ass that is going to be getting put in jail I hope you know. Just a heads up to you.
Hydraulic hose crimpers, hydraulic cable lug crimpers, tire machines, power hammers, any big stationary equipment really is for the most part better obtained for a self use case from someone on the used market. A whole lot of retiring mobile mechanics and shops have a lot of this equipment in working order(sometimes needing just a little TLC) for a real affordable price. In my experience when finding some of these deals for friends just starting out, these old timers are ecstatic seeing the start of someone's dreams in the trades or on the farm. A few times I've seen them happy to give this stuff away for free everyone that did that ends up visiting their old equipment with bright happy smiles seeing them go to good use, a couple of them just stop by to see if the thing needs to get repaired, dropping the tidbits of wisdom from years of ownership.
I got an entrepreneur firm, and we have 12 machines. After i saw your video i am no longer in doubt. We need this equipment for our mechanic car. The cost for the machines not running because of an broken hose is about 500$ an hour. Sometimes it takes 2-3 days before we can get a new hose. So this will definitely work. Thank you so much for this detailed video.
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Great video Tim! When I was an apprentice in the late 1900's I used to make a lot of hydraulic hoses from 1/4" 2-wire hoses up to 2" 4-wire hoses that needed to be skived. We used an industrial belt drive Kalamazoo abrasive chop saw for cutting. Those 2 inchers would make quite a large cloud of stinky blue smoke when cut. I blew them out with air before crimping and then washed them out with Safety-Kleen solvent and blew them out with air again before assembling them on the machines. We had a Weatherhead and a Parker crimper with an electric powered hydraulic unit. Was much less complicated than your unit.
As for cutting the hose, a vice and a grinder with a cut off disc works well too. I've used that cutting braided hose like that to length. And a bench grinder to clean up the burs.
I bought a hydraulic press (Weatherhead Eaton T-400, hose and fittings when I first bought our farm.. I can go to ‘house of hose’ and get a $200 hose made in 2 hours after driving 3 hours round trip…or I can spend $50 in hose and fittings and throw it in the press. Total investment was about $2500 but I’ve made 7 hoses so far in five years and word gets around fast in a farming area that you can make hoses.. The benefit of a clean and straight cut is all about the fitting. My best work has been done with a 8 inch hand cable cutter with curved blades. If the full crimp isn’t around the full hose end then your high pressure hoses are either going to leak or break down sooner with side torque and vibration.
Sickness ran rampant in our household a few weeks back also, took longer than expected to recover. Been a bad year for sickness that's for sure. Hope you all get back to normal soon!
I did a cost benefit analysis, and I am sticking with the Field Replaceable Fittings, which you can get from DHT, but are available elsewhere, too. I buy my 2 wire hose in 100 ft lengths off of Ebay, which has worked great for me. I have all the advantages of your set up, without spending $11k. For the small time operator like me, this is the best deal. My local NAPA store makes hoses, but they are many times more expensive than DHT.
Very good video Tim, you hit the nail on the head. As I see in the comments already, and I agree, buying in bulk is the only way to do hydraulic hose cost effectively! I've made hoses in the past for several employers, and unless you make hoses constantly, or you're willing to offer late night hours, it's not something you're probably going to want to invest in. I personally have 2 hydraulic shops within 30mins of me, and they both are fantastic, so I wouldn't even consider investing in my own setup. Again, excellent video, you covered it better than I thought anyone has!
The person I use for hydraulic hoses said his liability insurance is very expensive. More than my liability insurance for my tree service. People also have to bring the hoses to him now, he said the insurance for the truck and trailer were very expensive also. He said he was worried at first about losing business, but he said he makes just as much not having to leave the shop. But he definitely knows his profession. Never a leak or blowout...unlike NAPA where 40% of my hoses leaking from the crimps. I do not need new hoses leaking on my bucket truck.
Not beating you up on building your hose, but the proper hose cleaning tool forces a projectile through the hose. Standard practice is to shoot one through after hose is cut, second once the ends are installed and a third the opposite direction. New hose is dirty and the metal wire is hot when cut so will melt into the rubber so won't come out with just air.
3 years ago, I actually had no idea what a hydraulic hose was. Never even heard of it. I started working at a NAPA and my boss told me dont be afraid, it gets easier once you remember numbers. I found out it’s not only numbers but you have to know what a JIC, male pipe, male boss, flat face MB, MB oring, flat face and I’m sure I’m missing much more. I’m actually wanting to start a hydraulic hose business but I don’t want to step on my bosses toes. It’s a very good business to start up
Tim, order the smaller diameter hose and make a long grease gun hose. I made several at work to reach into areas that was hard to reach and have my grease gun out in a open area.
Why not install a permanent hose and a bulkhead fitting mounted on/in your machine so a standard grease gun will work? You won't have to keep track of the special grease gun, for the special fitting, on the hard to reach service point, In the pain-in-the-a$$ machine.
We have a cheap Dewalt chop saw at the shop, we really only use the chop saw for large hoses, at first -20 and up. We've since upgraded our hose saw so we can do up to -32 on the table and we don't use the chop saw as frequently. One of the United Rentals we make hoses for has a similar crimper in their shop, in fact a lot of our customers have their own crimpers and get bin stocked by either parker or whomever, it really doesn't effect our business too much because they have limited supply and that really shows for fittings outside of JIC and NPT and they don't have many jump sizes or higher pressure options. I agree with you about NPT, its antiquated, sorry plumbers/sprinkler boys. I'd recommend a hose assembly lubricant like P-80, I'm sure parker and eaton have their own blend as well. We use a depth gauge (basically just a bunch of pieces of pipe/tubing cut to the depth length for each ferrule size for easy marking. Also would recommend shooting a cleaning pellet or a wad of wipeall or something through the hose before you put your fittings on, especially if your using a chop saw. You'll visually see how much rubber your getting out of there, the brand we use is Ultra Clean, the gun is nice but you can get by with a fat rubber tip for all hoses up to -16 typically. I think your dead on though as far as the cost vs benefit, you really need to be making a lot of hoses for it to be worth it, its gonna be a while until you see a return on investment.
Great video. I use surplus center to order all my hydraulics. You can't beat the price of their premade hoses nor fittings. Hydraulics in general are expensive. I just replaced my FEL valve bc the Brand valve has too much internal leakage even though I bought it new in 2019. The metro 3spool valve was $325 (will use 3rd spool for toplink and grapple bucket). Probably spent nearly that much in hoses and fittings too! Plus a pressure gauge so I can set the relief valve. I've probably spent total $1500-$2k on hydraulics the past several years but learned a lot and would've cost way more to go to local shop to have hoses made.
i have watched all your videos on buying a tractor but how do you know what and what to look for when buying one, i look at all brands but in my area the most common is john deer and Kubota but all i need is one for mowing lawns and snow removal and road maintence, that is what i am looking for but i still just dont know what to look for what i need and yes a cab would be nice but i can live without but i look in both areas, someday i would like to come and meet you and learn more in for a good opion on what to get for what i need
Tim, I would think even though altogether its a big investment, it would be pretty slick to make your own hose essentially fixing a breakdown with your own hands. Also good for making power washer hoses I would think
i looked into doing the chipper and Kubota both machine had over 20 years of service so i went to my Napa store and Negotiated and that was definitely the better price than to buy all of the various parts and sizes of hoses.
Our aircraft jacks are single stage jacks and when doing a weight and balance it has to go up and down a minimum of three time, in that case the pneumatic ability is golden. Love the video praying for a complete and quick recovery for you and Christie.👋🙏
Great video. A barrier for me to order my hoses online is that I don't understand all the various fittings. It's easier for me to walk into my local supplier and say make me a hose just like this one. Wondering if in a future video you could educate us on the various fittings and threads. Just an idea.
That is my problem as well. I work with hydraulic fittings very infrequently. Usually only if something breaks or I'm working with a new implement. It absolutely blows my mind with all the different fitting types and sizes. So like you, I typically walk into the local hydraulic shop, lay my old hoses or old fittings on the counter and say "I need a X-inch hose to go from THIS to THAT". They guy goes into the back room and 10-mins later comes out with exactly what I needed. :-)
@@kdeckster Which brings up a question. I see Tim was putting a larger fitting on a small hose. Is it possible to put a smaller fitting on a larger hose or do you just use reducers? I have a cylinder which uses 3/4" elbows and I would like to use a smaller more flexible hose like perhaps 1/4". Is that possible?
@@eosjoe565 Its really hard to get technical in YT comments but yes you can put small fittings on larger hoses and large fittings on smaller hose. I regularly crimp 1/2 NPT and -08 ORB on 1/4" hose for kits we make. It's really all about what options the OEM hose supplier you choose has available, you really do NOT want to put one OEM's hose ends on another OEM's hose. If you contact DHH (or us) directly with details I'm sure we can help.
Locally in a 2500 population rural town, we have three places who will make custom hoses. So, I can’t see it making economical sense to me. That said, a freind of my younger brother, who he met through the Air National Guard, did all the hydraulics on their jets. The Guard, decided to get him a new hydraulics van complete with new crimpers, cutters, etc. Se he bought the old van through a GSA auction, and went into business in Las Vegas, making hydraulic repairs for contractors. He had a shop where he could rebuild cylinders, but his bread and butter was fixing heavy equipment. He has made a comfortable living for over thirty years now.
Love the video Tim! We make most of our own hoses at work (Public Works Dept) where we have many pieces of equipment and plow trucks. I can't imagine a homeowner investing that much money to make their own hoses. We need to have this equipment for (like you said) after hours, weekends and holidays. It has come in handy in the middle of the night during a snow storm. As I've said before; love the scripture at the end! Have a wonderful day!
Tim, I'm really into DIY, ... but I called Discount Hose and they priced out my Kubota backhoe attachment rebuild for the lines. Outstanding prices. In no way would I want to do the fabrication of the hoses with the high pressure risk involved. Rebuild my cylinders, absolutely, I do that, ... to me that's easy, ... but for a crimped connection .....
Glad that you worked with DHH. Hope you used code ttwt to save even more! I will say that the crimping is trivial. The machine makes it simple and perfect every time.
@@michaelwhitehead1373 yessir. Many hoses crimped now. No failures. Also, I have experimented by crimping beyond the specs. …and THAT failed. (I didn’t even apply pressure as the failure was visually obvious). Anyway, my point is that crimping to spec produces a perfect crimp, easily inspected. BTW, the hoses purchased from DHH have crimps that look IDENTICAL to the crimps I do with this machine. Please don’t misunderstand me. For low volumes, and especially if you are nervous about it, purchasing complete assemblies from DHH is your best bet. For most folks, this is more cost effective as well!
Thanks Tim. Really enjoyed this. I have many multiple types of equipment with hose sizes from 1/4" up to 1". It truly would cost a fortune to get set up. Fortunately the hyd shop is only 12 miles away and have great hrs of operation. But I like your set up and sure agree for some folks it would be worth the investment and open up opportunities for a side gig making hoses.
Guy my company uses started in a beat up van with a inverter. They're now up to 5 or 6 vans and service the majority of the Carolinas. 24/7 3 days a week, regular hours the rest if I remember correctly.
Tim a couple of weeks ago you mentioned that you were wanting for a quick connect backhoe adapter for your 3046R.I also ordered one for my 3039R over 4 months ago.I’m getting a little concerned about it taking so long. Could you please let me know when or if you receive yours.I didn’t mention the name of the company because I believe they are good people and are trying hard to compete our orders but just can’t keep up with demand. Ps. I meet you at the farm show on Louisville Kentucky last winter.I enjoyed meeting you and your wife. I hope to see you there this year.
Thank goodness I have a freind with a crimper. Was thinking about doing an inventory on fittings and hose then just buy bulk. Working in the excavating buisness the after hours is very important!#!! Nice vid Tim!!
had a crimper (1980's vintage) and by the time you buy even small rolls of assorted size hose and a selection of 3 dozen or more different fittings the pay back just isn't there. But if you are out in the middle of nowhere and a busted hose puts you down for a couple of weeks then it's a must have.
Your cats running and jumping in the background are stealing your thunder Tim!!! (Ha!Ha!) Back in the 70's, 80's, 90's, and 00's, I worked at Nuclear Power Plants, and we had Parker Hannifin hoses, fittings, crimping machine, and cut-off machine. Everything had an electric motor on it. It was a simple job. We made all sorts of hydraulic hoses, and high pressure water and steam hoses. Our equipment was mounted to a large Knaack box on wheels, so we could roll it to job sites if needed.
Nice hydraulic hose crimping setup! A big investment for sure. Very handy if you have many pieces of equipment that you depend on at all hours with hydraulic systems, or a mobile heavy equipment repair business and make hoses on the job site.
Here is a link: www.discounthydraulichose.com/s2-m-h.html They are introducing a special offer very soon. FREE crimper with a purchase of related parts (hose, fittings, adapters, etc). So, buy $5500 (proposed amount) of hose and fittings, and get the $4000 crimper FREE! if you are interested in this, email me tim at tractortimewithtim dot com ...I'll hook you up with someone for early access to this special offer.
So few shops make hydraulic hose now. I added rear remotes to my tractor and a thumb. To make 8 hoses shop wanted $1800. The material is $200. Why $200 in labor per hose? It takes 5 minutes to make.
And... if it's anything like electrical and plumbing connectors, no matter how many fittings/connectors you have on hand you always seem to need the one you don't have. :-)
@@eosjoe565 so true and there are literally thousands of fittings..we had walls of them and still wouldn’t have ones people needed..I’d like to do it on the side as a business but the overhead would be terrible.
I used to make Cat hoses at work. It sucked. The ends and fitings you can reuse if not rusted bad. Told customers to come back in hour or two. Nope. They would stick around breathing down your neck. Sucked. Decades old hoses don't come apart easy. Getting cut with rusty wires. BEST day at work was my company getting rid of machine to make cat hoses.
@@MrRatkilryea you have to keep so many available just in case that one guy comes in..it’s crazy how many we kept around for all the different machines. I worked at JD and it wasn’t as bad as they only kept stuff for Deere equipment. I hated when customers would stand there and watch you! And they always brought them in full of hydraulic oil, like man just let it drain for a couple minutes!!
I like the cat walk. I am not sure which one, maybe both, but Matts Offroad Recovery or Fab Rats hire a team working from their own trailer to make lines for an entire vehicle.
Hi Tim, I really like your setup. Definitely be very convenient when one fails in the middle of a project. I'm wondering how a portable bandsaw with a 24 tooth blade would work for cutting the hose. I'm sure it would be far quieter, as well as not making such a mess!
Great video Time. I know that I will go to someone with a small business for my Hoses and not the farm stores since I know someone. Your voice needs some warm humid weather to get healed.
FYI, Your crimp tolerance is listed in the header row of the table. For your case, it was +/- 0.005" or 0.13mm.. An acceptable crimp would have fall between 18.66 an 18.92. Where you measure that from, is anyones guess.. possibly the flats..
My hoses wait till the weekend to bust so I bought a used weatherhead and haven't busted a hose since HA! You can send a pig or wad through your finished hose with compressed air to clean out all the trash...i use white lint free heavy duty paper towel pieces and keep blowing those through until they come out clean. ..... you'd be surprised how much junk is in a new hose. As far as cutting your hose, it's kinda important to have a clean square cut. Although my crimper is electric, I kinda like the idea of the manual one you have. I did sell a hose I made but like you said, i'll have to sell hundreds more to break even. The way I see it, it's a $3k hose insurance policy having a crimper. Great video Tim!
What sizes of fittings do I need, a variety I assume to make a business with one of these machines. The hose guy charged me $230 for 2 hoses, and the hose sells for .88 cents per foot when buying 100 ft roll.
Yep. Local hoses are expensive. You CAN get into the business…but first, I would consider buying your hoses from discointhydraulichose.com/ttwt and use code ttwt for 5% off. You’ll find they will make and sell you custom hoses for 1/2 price or less from local vendors.
When i make a hose, I'll dip a finger in some grease and put a light film on the barb end if reachable or just inside the hose and it'll go together so much easier and be more likely to get fully seated. I've seen a lot of hose failures where someone dry fit and thought that they got it together "good enough" but they were just unable to physically get it fully together and crimped it anyway.
I have use Apache reusable twist on fittings on Apache hose. I rebuilt a k650 kubota backhoe, replacing all hoses and fittings with Apache. I ran it 10 years before selling. I wonder if anyone else has good or bad experience with them?
When We fabricated those Metal braided Fuel lines for My Buddies Dragster He showed Me that using Black (or any color) Vinyl tape at the cut location it helped keep the wires from fraying. That might help?
Have a good hydraulic shop fairly close to me, so like you said Tim don’t think it would be worth having my own hose crimper. Looks like cat walk works good, great idea. Get feeling better.
Awesome video Tim, I think you covered all aspects very well. You may have even created a few new businerss ventures. Having a few businesses of my own, your emphasis on the imortance of the service side of the business was spot on. It would be a big failure if you just wanted to work 9-5 Monday thru Friday. You have to be willing to put in the time and effort (24/7) to be successful in a new venture like this
Glad to see you are feeling better Tim. You have a real nice set up there. I would say I think your cats like the walk way found myself watching the cats too. Great video. Hope Christy is feeling better as well.
Thank for the video, a neighbor bought a very similar crimping tool this NOV and two spools of hoses. He is allowing me use his crimping tool if I buy a package of fittings I need, to help him build stock in fittings
That cat turned into a ghost jumping down at 09:33 - 09:34 in the video. SPOOKY. I could see where someone in a very rural area could provide this service and make enough to cover the cost.
My backhoe ripped one of the Dipper hoses and it was $106 from the Dealer and $106 from the Hydraulic company. A hose that was over 10 feet long. I found out it cost almost the same to have a local hose company build a New Hydraulic hose as it would have cost from the Dealer/Manufacturer. They used the damaged hose and built the new one in less than 30 minutes. Faster than ordering it. Great Video Thanks
If you want to see expensive hose, take a look at some of the large hoses on dozers and excavators. A 2-inch hose that's 3-feet long with rigid ends can cost $500-$600 to have made.
If you don't use an actual hose blade intended to for hose, you'll end up destroying your pumps and mucking up your valves. At the very least you should be blowing foam pellets from each end, not just air...it does nothing. The NPT fittings you crimped, are they bubble crimp or full crimp because if they are bubble crimp you should let people know of the markings on the ferules indicating where to place the fitting in the dies.
You sound like the Doyle monster I knew as a kid. Anyone who lost their voice sounded like you do. At times I can’t shake it either. Glad you are back and hope you continue to get better. On a different subject, do you or have done any spraying with big Johnny? I am walking the path to being able to do it. Not for crops. Weed suppression mostly
Have you tried out the screw together type fittings? Seems like having a stock of those would be better for most people? Or are there other limitations that would prevent a wider use case?
Harbor Freight sells a carbide tip metal cutting blade that should not deflect like the one that comes with that saw. At work we had a cut off with the fiber blade and it would deflect and cut crooked so its not Harbor Freights fault.
You have to be very careful. Carbide blades cannot be used on an abrasive saw. The carbide toothed metal cutting blades are designed to spin around 1500 RPM whereas an abrasive saw spins around 4000 RPM.
Great video, but my finance committee would never approve the purchase. I can see this as being useful for odd length hoses also. The local farm store has standard lengths that are reasonably priced, but if you need odd lengths in a hurry, this is the ticket.
How much are the materials? Recently had four short hoses made (~2ft), and it was close to $300. I'd spend $1200 for a crimper (found others similar to yours) if it would pay for itself in 10 hoses and not 100. Has anyone done the math already?
I hit the jackpot last March when I had a hose blow and called local Kubota dealer to get a replacement, and was informed they no longer made hoses, so I had to go to local hydraulic shop to get it. On the way there, it hit me to call Kubota back and ask what they did with their equipment. They told me it was all still sitting there, but he thought they were going to keep it to make their own hoses. Anyways, he offered to ask his supervisor what their plan was and then call me back. He called me back and said he was told to sell it all. I made him an offer, he ran it past his boss, and they accepted it. I was PUMPED! I got a Parker hydraulic crimping machine, all the dies, over 400 hose fittings AND a few hundred feet of 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2 hose combined for.......(I hope you're sitting down)............$1100. All total, once I ID'd everything and priced it out, I had over $5000 in equipment and supplies. Once I inventoried all the fittings, I kept what I would need and listed all the rest on Marketplace, and sold them for $600. So, my whole set-up cost me $500, and in just 9 months have made 7 hoses, which would have cost me approx $850 to buy. Machine has paid for itself in less than a year, and I still have a big inventory of fittings left. The biggest bonus, by FAR, is that I'm so remote, it would kill an entire day....sometimes 1.5 days to get a hose replaced, now it's done in about 30 minutes. WIN!
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You do know if you make a hydraulic hose that ends up blowing out and hurting someone then it’s your ass that is going to be getting put in jail I hope you know. Just a heads up to you.
@@DOPEMANCHEW Yeah....that's not how that works.
Hydraulic hose crimpers, hydraulic cable lug crimpers, tire machines, power hammers, any big stationary equipment really is for the most part better obtained for a self use case from someone on the used market. A whole lot of retiring mobile mechanics and shops have a lot of this equipment in working order(sometimes needing just a little TLC) for a real affordable price. In my experience when finding some of these deals for friends just starting out, these old timers are ecstatic seeing the start of someone's dreams in the trades or on the farm. A few times I've seen them happy to give this stuff away for free everyone that did that ends up visiting their old equipment with bright happy smiles seeing them go to good use, a couple of them just stop by to see if the thing needs to get repaired, dropping the tidbits of wisdom from years of ownership.
I hate you...😊
I got an entrepreneur firm, and we have 12 machines. After i saw your video i am no longer in doubt. We need this equipment for our mechanic car. The cost for the machines not running because of an broken hose is about 500$ an hour. Sometimes it takes 2-3 days before we can get a new hose. So this will definitely work. Thank you so much for this detailed video.
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Great video Tim! When I was an apprentice in the late 1900's I used to make a lot of hydraulic hoses from 1/4" 2-wire hoses up to 2" 4-wire hoses that needed to be skived. We used an industrial belt drive Kalamazoo abrasive chop saw for cutting. Those 2 inchers would make quite a large cloud of stinky blue smoke when cut. I blew them out with air before crimping and then washed them out with Safety-Kleen solvent and blew them out with air again before assembling them on the machines. We had a Weatherhead and a Parker crimper with an electric powered hydraulic unit. Was much less complicated than your unit.
As for cutting the hose, a vice and a grinder with a cut off disc works well too. I've used that cutting braided hose like that to length. And a bench grinder to clean up the burs.
Good honest info. Nothing is cheap. But if you have a lot of blown hoses and need them now, probably worth it.
2:00 you may want to experiment with tube cutters for steel lines used in plumbing gas lines.
I bought a hydraulic press (Weatherhead Eaton T-400, hose and fittings when I first bought our farm.. I can go to ‘house of hose’ and get a $200 hose made in 2 hours after driving 3 hours round trip…or I can spend $50 in hose and fittings and throw it in the press. Total investment was about $2500 but I’ve made 7 hoses so far in five years and word gets around fast in a farming area that you can make hoses.. The benefit of a clean and straight cut is all about the fitting. My best work has been done with a 8 inch hand cable cutter with curved blades. If the full crimp isn’t around the full hose end then your high pressure hoses are either going to leak or break down sooner with side torque and vibration.
I think I’m up to 6 or 7 now myself..already. Most really short, but I think every one of them used a different type of hose end!
Sickness ran rampant in our household a few weeks back also, took longer than expected to recover. Been a bad year for sickness that's for sure. Hope you all get back to normal soon!
I did a cost benefit analysis, and I am sticking with the Field Replaceable Fittings, which you can get from DHT, but are available elsewhere, too. I buy my 2 wire hose in 100 ft lengths off of Ebay, which has worked great for me. I have all the advantages of your set up, without spending $11k. For the small time operator like me, this is the best deal. My local NAPA store makes hoses, but they are many times more expensive than DHT.
Very good video Tim, you hit the nail on the head. As I see in the comments already, and I agree, buying in bulk is the only way to do hydraulic hose cost effectively! I've made hoses in the past for several employers, and unless you make hoses constantly, or you're willing to offer late night hours, it's not something you're probably going to want to invest in. I personally have 2 hydraulic shops within 30mins of me, and they both are fantastic, so I wouldn't even consider investing in my own setup. Again, excellent video, you covered it better than I thought anyone has!
When I’ve made hoses I use the same cut off saw and clean the cut up with a bench grinder
The person I use for hydraulic hoses said his liability insurance is very expensive. More than my liability insurance for my tree service. People also have to bring the hoses to him now, he said the insurance for the truck and trailer were very expensive also. He said he was worried at first about losing business, but he said he makes just as much not having to leave the shop. But he definitely knows his profession. Never a leak or blowout...unlike NAPA where 40% of my hoses leaking from the crimps. I do not need new hoses leaking on my bucket truck.
Not beating you up on building your hose, but the proper hose cleaning tool forces a projectile through the hose. Standard practice is to shoot one through after hose is cut, second once the ends are installed and a third the opposite direction. New hose is dirty and the metal wire is hot when cut so will melt into the rubber so won't come out with just air.
What hose cleaning tool?
@embededfabrication4482 Caterpillar sells them. Not sure who makes it for them.
I hope that you are feeling well soon. I like how you said how you do things.
3 years ago, I actually had no idea what a hydraulic hose was. Never even heard of it. I started working at a NAPA and my boss told me dont be afraid, it gets easier once you remember numbers. I found out it’s not only numbers but you have to know what a JIC, male pipe, male boss, flat face MB, MB oring, flat face and I’m sure I’m missing much more. I’m actually wanting to start a hydraulic hose business but I don’t want to step on my bosses toes. It’s a very good business to start up
The finance committee must have felt gracious this 2023!!! Congrats Tim!
Good video Tim. Thanks for walking us through the whole process of making hydraulic hoses and then talking about cost and options.
Tim, order the smaller diameter hose and make a long grease gun hose. I made several at work to reach into areas that was hard to reach and have my grease gun out in a open area.
Why not install a permanent hose and a bulkhead fitting mounted on/in your machine so a standard grease gun will work? You won't have to keep track of the special grease gun, for the special fitting, on the hard to reach service point, In the pain-in-the-a$$ machine.
We have a cheap Dewalt chop saw at the shop, we really only use the chop saw for large hoses, at first -20 and up. We've since upgraded our hose saw so we can do up to -32 on the table and we don't use the chop saw as frequently. One of the United Rentals we make hoses for has a similar crimper in their shop, in fact a lot of our customers have their own crimpers and get bin stocked by either parker or whomever, it really doesn't effect our business too much because they have limited supply and that really shows for fittings outside of JIC and NPT and they don't have many jump sizes or higher pressure options. I agree with you about NPT, its antiquated, sorry plumbers/sprinkler boys. I'd recommend a hose assembly lubricant like P-80, I'm sure parker and eaton have their own blend as well. We use a depth gauge (basically just a bunch of pieces of pipe/tubing cut to the depth length for each ferrule size for easy marking. Also would recommend shooting a cleaning pellet or a wad of wipeall or something through the hose before you put your fittings on, especially if your using a chop saw. You'll visually see how much rubber your getting out of there, the brand we use is Ultra Clean, the gun is nice but you can get by with a fat rubber tip for all hoses up to -16 typically. I think your dead on though as far as the cost vs benefit, you really need to be making a lot of hoses for it to be worth it, its gonna be a while until you see a return on investment.
Why can't you put something in the hose when you cut it to keep rubber dust from getting too far?
Great video. I use surplus center to order all my hydraulics. You can't beat the price of their premade hoses nor fittings. Hydraulics in general are expensive. I just replaced my FEL valve bc the Brand valve has too much internal leakage even though I bought it new in 2019. The metro 3spool valve was $325 (will use 3rd spool for toplink and grapple bucket). Probably spent nearly that much in hoses and fittings too! Plus a pressure gauge so I can set the relief valve. I've probably spent total $1500-$2k on hydraulics the past several years but learned a lot and would've cost way more to go to local shop to have hoses made.
i have watched all your videos on buying a tractor but how do you know what and what to look for when buying one, i look at all brands but in my area the most common is john deer and Kubota but all i need is one for mowing lawns and snow removal and road maintence, that is what i am looking for but i still just dont know what to look for what i need and yes a cab would be nice but i can live without but i look in both areas, someday i would like to come and meet you and learn more in for a good opion on what to get for what i need
Tim,
I would think even though altogether its a big investment, it would be pretty slick to make your own hose essentially fixing a breakdown with your own hands. Also good for making power washer hoses I would think
i looked into doing the chipper and Kubota both machine had over 20 years of service so i went to my Napa store and Negotiated and that was definitely the better price than to buy all of the various parts and sizes of hoses.
Our aircraft jacks are single stage jacks and when doing a weight and balance it has to go up and down a minimum of three time, in that case the pneumatic ability is golden. Love the video praying for a complete and quick recovery for you and Christie.👋🙏
How about the plastic organizer trays the fittings are in? I could see them being useful for multiple things.
Cheap at Menards.
Love the new gadget Tim. Need to start calling you Tim the tool man.
Great video. A barrier for me to order my hoses online is that I don't understand all the various fittings. It's easier for me to walk into my local supplier and say make me a hose just like this one. Wondering if in a future video you could educate us on the various fittings and threads. Just an idea.
That is my problem as well. I work with hydraulic fittings very infrequently. Usually only if something breaks or I'm working with a new implement. It absolutely blows my mind with all the different fitting types and sizes. So like you, I typically walk into the local hydraulic shop, lay my old hoses or old fittings on the counter and say "I need a X-inch hose to go from THIS to THAT". They guy goes into the back room and 10-mins later comes out with exactly what I needed. :-)
I agree, a video discussing all the different types related to the 1025r would be awesome.
@@randygriffith4479 I mentioned that to Tim awhile ago, we'll try to make that a priority this year.
@@kdeckster Which brings up a question. I see Tim was putting a larger fitting on a small hose. Is it possible to put a smaller fitting on a larger hose or do you just use reducers? I have a cylinder which uses 3/4" elbows and I would like to use a smaller more flexible hose like perhaps 1/4". Is that possible?
@@eosjoe565 Its really hard to get technical in YT comments but yes you can put small fittings on larger hoses and large fittings on smaller hose. I regularly crimp 1/2 NPT and -08 ORB on 1/4" hose for kits we make. It's really all about what options the OEM hose supplier you choose has available, you really do NOT want to put one OEM's hose ends on another OEM's hose. If you contact DHH (or us) directly with details I'm sure we can help.
Locally in a 2500 population rural town, we have three places who will make custom hoses. So, I can’t see it making economical sense to me. That said, a freind of my younger brother, who he met through the Air National Guard, did all the hydraulics on their jets. The Guard, decided to get him a new hydraulics van complete with new crimpers, cutters, etc. Se he bought the old van through a GSA auction, and went into business in Las Vegas, making hydraulic repairs for contractors. He had a shop where he could rebuild cylinders, but his bread and butter was fixing heavy equipment. He has made a comfortable living for over thirty years now.
great video Where did you get the machine? Thank you
Love the video Tim! We make most of our own hoses at work (Public Works Dept) where we have many pieces of equipment and plow trucks. I can't imagine a homeowner investing that much money to make their own hoses. We need to have this equipment for (like you said) after hours, weekends and holidays. It has come in handy in the middle of the night during a snow storm. As I've said before; love the scripture at the end! Have a wonderful day!
Great video. Do you know if the hoses are pressure tested to verify if the crimp is good when purchasing them online?
No. Should be no need if done properly and checked with calipers for accuracy.
Tim, I'm really into DIY, ... but I called Discount Hose and they priced out my Kubota backhoe attachment rebuild for the lines. Outstanding prices. In no way would I want to do the fabrication of the hoses with the high pressure risk involved. Rebuild my cylinders, absolutely, I do that, ... to me that's easy, ... but for a crimped connection .....
Glad that you worked with DHH. Hope you used code ttwt to save even more!
I will say that the crimping is trivial. The machine makes it simple and perfect every time.
@@TractorTimewithTim cool. So you’ve had enough time to confirm reliable workmanship from the crimper.
@@michaelwhitehead1373 yessir. Many hoses crimped now. No failures.
Also, I have experimented by crimping beyond the specs. …and THAT failed. (I didn’t even apply pressure as the failure was visually obvious). Anyway, my point is that crimping to spec produces a perfect crimp, easily inspected.
BTW, the hoses purchased from DHH have crimps that look IDENTICAL to the crimps I do with this machine.
Please don’t misunderstand me. For low volumes, and especially if you are nervous about it, purchasing complete assemblies from DHH is your best bet.
For most folks, this is more cost effective as well!
Thanks Tim. Really enjoyed this. I have many multiple types of equipment with hose sizes from 1/4" up to 1". It truly would cost a fortune to get set up. Fortunately the hyd shop is only 12 miles away and have great hrs of operation. But I like your set up and sure agree for some folks it would be worth the investment and open up opportunities for a side gig making hoses.
Guy my company uses started in a beat up van with a inverter. They're now up to 5 or 6 vans and service the majority of the Carolinas. 24/7 3 days a week, regular hours the rest if I remember correctly.
I have been thinking about a mobile hose making business for a while! And somehow magically came across your video. Maybe it's a sign to pursue it .
Well, there you go! I hope you found this helpful.
Tim a couple of weeks ago you mentioned that you were wanting for a quick connect backhoe adapter for your 3046R.I also ordered one for my 3039R over 4 months ago.I’m getting a little concerned about it taking so long. Could you please let me know when or if you receive yours.I didn’t mention the name of the company because I believe they are good people and are trying hard to compete our orders but just can’t keep up with demand. Ps. I meet you at the farm show on Louisville Kentucky last winter.I enjoyed meeting you and your wife. I hope to see you there this year.
Thanks so much, I have an old backhoe and have been Wondered what the setup would cost. Thanks & keep them coming.
Thank goodness I have a freind with a crimper. Was thinking about doing an inventory on fittings and hose then just buy bulk. Working in the excavating buisness the after hours is very important!#!! Nice vid Tim!!
had a crimper (1980's vintage) and by the time you buy even small rolls of assorted size hose and a selection of 3 dozen or more different fittings the pay back just isn't there. But if you are out in the middle of nowhere and a busted hose puts you down for a couple of weeks then it's a must have.
Your cats running and jumping in the background are stealing your thunder Tim!!! (Ha!Ha!) Back in the 70's, 80's, 90's, and 00's, I worked at Nuclear Power Plants, and we had Parker Hannifin hoses, fittings, crimping machine, and cut-off machine. Everything had an electric motor on it. It was a simple job. We made all sorts of hydraulic hoses, and high pressure water and steam hoses. Our equipment was mounted to a large Knaack box on wheels, so we could roll it to job sites if needed.
Nice hydraulic hose crimping setup! A big investment for sure. Very handy if you have many pieces of equipment that you depend on at all hours with hydraulic systems, or a mobile heavy equipment repair business and make hoses on the job site.
What’s the make and model of the crimping machine you’re using?
Here is a link: www.discounthydraulichose.com/s2-m-h.html
They are introducing a special offer very soon. FREE crimper with a purchase of related parts (hose, fittings, adapters, etc). So, buy $5500 (proposed amount) of hose and fittings, and get the $4000 crimper FREE!
if you are interested in this, email me tim at tractortimewithtim dot com ...I'll hook you up with someone for early access to this special offer.
Welcome back Tim. Hope you and Christy are on the mends. Take care and keep videos coming. Central Maine…
Nice video. Your list of links are quite messy. Do you have a link for the crimper?
discounthydraulichose.com
Nice job, hope you feel better soon.
So few shops make hydraulic hose now. I added rear remotes to my tractor and a thumb. To make 8 hoses shop wanted $1800. The material is $200. Why $200 in labor per hose? It takes 5 minutes to make.
Thanks Tim. Just ordered my 8 hoses for $320. Local shops really wanted $1800 which is crazy because this shop is only 90 minutes from me.
I used to make them at NAPA, only way to save money is everything is bought in bulk. It wouldn’t be worth it for most people.
And... if it's anything like electrical and plumbing connectors, no matter how many fittings/connectors you have on hand you always seem to need the one you don't have. :-)
@@eosjoe565 so true and there are literally thousands of fittings..we had walls of them and still wouldn’t have ones people needed..I’d like to do it on the side as a business but the overhead would be terrible.
I used to make Cat hoses at work. It sucked. The ends and fitings you can reuse if not rusted bad. Told customers to come back in hour or two. Nope. They would stick around breathing down your neck. Sucked. Decades old hoses don't come apart easy. Getting cut with rusty wires. BEST day at work was my company getting rid of machine to make cat hoses.
We have hundreds of fittings at work that will never get used. @kivetts04dmax
@@MrRatkilryea you have to keep so many available just in case that one guy comes in..it’s crazy how many we kept around for all the different machines. I worked at JD and it wasn’t as bad as they only kept stuff for Deere equipment. I hated when customers would stand there and watch you! And they always brought them in full of hydraulic oil, like man just let it drain for a couple minutes!!
Definitely would be handy. I got just couple hoses for my log splitter last year. There expensive
I like the cat walk.
I am not sure which one, maybe both, but Matts Offroad Recovery or Fab Rats hire a team working from their own trailer to make lines for an entire vehicle.
Hi Tim,
I really like your setup.
Definitely be very convenient when one fails in the middle of a project.
I'm wondering how a portable bandsaw with a 24 tooth blade would work for cutting the hose.
I'm sure it would be far quieter, as well as not making such a mess!
Great video Time. I know that I will go to someone with a small business for my Hoses and not the farm stores since I know someone. Your voice needs some warm humid weather to get healed.
We're do you buy your 45 deg. And 90 deg. Elbows from?
discountHydraulicHose.com use code ttwt for discount
Man I hope you feel better Tim. Praying for you.❤
There is somethings I leave to the pro ...this is one..praying for good health for Tim...
Interesting video. Glad you’re feeling better Tim. Hopefully everyone else is as well. Thanks for sharing.
Very nice job explaining how it all works. Now we know its not magic to make hoses. Definetly a learning curve that could get expensive very fast.
Just curious; are you and Christy doing a meet and greet at The Farm Machinery Show in Louisville next month?
Yep. 11am each day. Deere booth.
FYI, Your crimp tolerance is listed in the header row of the table. For your case, it was +/- 0.005" or 0.13mm.. An acceptable crimp would have fall between 18.66 an 18.92. Where you measure that from, is anyones guess.. possibly the flats..
My hoses wait till the weekend to bust so I bought a used weatherhead and haven't busted a hose since HA! You can send a pig or wad through your finished hose with compressed air to clean out all the trash...i use white lint free heavy duty paper towel pieces and keep blowing those through until they come out clean. ..... you'd be surprised how much junk is in a new hose. As far as cutting your hose, it's kinda important to have a clean square cut. Although my crimper is electric, I kinda like the idea of the manual one you have. I did sell a hose I made but like you said, i'll have to sell hundreds more to break even. The way I see it, it's a $3k hose insurance policy having a crimper. Great video Tim!
@@Discounthydraulichose cool
I’ve been waiting somewhat patiently. I knew something was amiss. Glad to see your fine-ish.
What sizes of fittings do I need, a variety I assume to make a business with one of these machines. The hose guy charged me $230 for 2 hoses, and the hose sells for .88 cents per foot when buying 100 ft roll.
Yep. Local hoses are expensive. You CAN get into the business…but first, I would consider buying your hoses from
discointhydraulichose.com/ttwt and use code ttwt for 5% off.
You’ll find they will make and sell you custom hoses for 1/2 price or less from local vendors.
You got hosed...
When i make a hose, I'll dip a finger in some grease and put a light film on the barb end if reachable or just inside the hose and it'll go together so much easier and be more likely to get fully seated. I've seen a lot of hose failures where someone dry fit and thought that they got it together "good enough" but they were just unable to physically get it fully together and crimped it anyway.
These ends went on quite easily. I was surprised.
I have been ordering them for a while to get hoses. Being down for 3 days not a big deal.
I like the way you make the hose
I have use Apache reusable twist on fittings on Apache hose. I rebuilt a k650 kubota backhoe, replacing all hoses and fittings with Apache. I ran it 10 years before selling. I wonder if anyone else has good or bad experience with them?
When We fabricated those Metal braided Fuel lines for My Buddies Dragster He showed Me that using Black (or any color) Vinyl tape at the cut location it helped keep the wires from fraying.
That might help?
The web URL in your description has "host" instead of "hose" in it.
Fixed. Thx.
Feel better, Tim. As for making lines ? I’ll leave it to the Professionals 😉. Haven’t needed to make or replace yet
Good Information! Thanks Tim!
Hope you feel better soon. Have you tried to rotate the hose 180 degrees while cutting it. I wonder if this would fix the unclean cut problem. Cheers.
Good idea.
Have a good hydraulic shop fairly close to me, so like you said Tim don’t think it would be worth having my own hose crimper. Looks like cat walk works good, great idea. Get feeling better.
Let’s get started
Hope you feel better soon
Used to make hydraulic hoses by request at the auto parts store when i was younger. I hated it LOL
Awesome video Tim, I think you covered all aspects very well. You may have even created a few new businerss ventures. Having a few businesses of my own, your emphasis on the imortance of the service side of the business was spot on. It would be a big failure if you just wanted to work 9-5 Monday thru Friday. You have to be willing to put in the time and effort (24/7) to be successful in a new venture like this
Glad to see you are feeling better Tim. You have a real nice set up there. I would say I think your cats like the walk way found myself watching the cats too. Great video. Hope Christy is feeling better as well.
Tim hope you feel better soon
Hope you get to feeling better soon. Peace to all of us.
This is what I do I build hoses for Halliburton and other people
Cool!
Thank for the video, a neighbor bought a very similar crimping tool this NOV and two spools of hoses. He is allowing me use his crimping tool if I buy a package of fittings I need, to help him build stock in fittings
Yep. Good partnership!
That cat turned into a ghost jumping down at 09:33 - 09:34 in the video. SPOOKY.
I could see where someone in a very rural area could provide this service and make enough to cover the cost.
interesting but very strange , in the UK that pipe would be £21 for 10ft and 3/8 hose and male fittings. free postage too
Hey Tim you should make some hats with your logo on them
Very informative and interesting. Always wondered about the equipment and cost to do that. Blessings.
That was cool Tim. Hope you get your voice back and feel better.
Name of manual crimping machine?
DiscountHydraulicHose.com use code TTWT
Great idea building the catwalk- they seem to be enjoying it 🐈
cool if you need to do a lot all in it's ROI is there. For minimal not so much but heck really cool.....
FYI you wrote Host instead of Hose in your link.
Great video though!
My backhoe ripped one of the Dipper hoses and it was $106 from the Dealer and $106 from the Hydraulic company.
A hose that was over 10 feet long.
I found out it cost almost the same to have a local hose company build a New Hydraulic hose as it would have cost from the Dealer/Manufacturer.
They used the damaged hose and built the new one in less than 30 minutes.
Faster than ordering it.
Great Video
Thanks
If you want to see expensive hose, take a look at some of the large hoses on dozers and excavators. A 2-inch hose that's 3-feet long with rigid ends can cost $500-$600 to have made.
If you don't use an actual hose blade intended to for hose, you'll end up destroying your pumps and mucking up your valves. At the very least you should be blowing foam pellets from each end, not just air...it does nothing. The NPT fittings you crimped, are they bubble crimp or full crimp because if they are bubble crimp you should let people know of the markings on the ferules indicating where to place the fitting in the dies.
You sound like the Doyle monster I knew as a kid. Anyone who lost their voice sounded like you do. At times I can’t shake it either. Glad you are back and hope you continue to get better. On a different subject, do you or have done any spraying with big Johnny? I am walking the path to being able to do it. Not for crops. Weed suppression mostly
We have to drive 30 minutes each way when we need a hose made. I guess ordering might be better!
If you can wait for delivery, it will be cheaper too. DiscountHydraulicHose.com use code ttwt for 5% off.
Have you tried out the screw together type fittings? Seems like having a stock of those would be better for most people? Or are there other limitations that would prevent a wider use case?
If you have a chop saw to cut your hose
I used a $99 harbor freight chop saw
@@TractorTimewithTim when I worked on trucks. We used chop saw to cut all lines for the trucks.
Harbor Freight sells a carbide tip metal cutting blade that should not deflect like the one that comes with that saw. At work we had a cut off with the fiber blade and it would deflect and cut crooked so its not Harbor Freights fault.
You have to be very careful. Carbide blades cannot be used on an abrasive saw. The carbide toothed metal cutting blades are designed to spin around 1500 RPM whereas an abrasive saw spins around 4000 RPM.
Great video, but my finance committee would never approve the purchase. I can see this as being useful for odd length hoses also. The local farm store has standard lengths that are reasonably priced, but if you need odd lengths in a hurry, this is the ticket.
I see Tim waking up at 1 am getting a call from his brother to make him a hose in the future 😅
How much are the materials? Recently had four short hoses made (~2ft), and it was close to $300. I'd spend $1200 for a crimper (found others similar to yours) if it would pay for itself in 10 hoses and not 100. Has anyone done the math already?
Isn’t it math you could do? Look at discounthydraulichose.com use code ttwt for 5% discount.
Hey Tim what happens to kitty when you hit the door opener from your remote outside 😅
JUMP!